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Clue #25 - Gary Troup Info (2) BAD TWIN Overview

Click HERE for a post on another site with a good summary/review of the novel. Don't know if there is much relevant to the game here. Click HERE for our thorough summary.

From Molly, here is the only reference to Hanso...
"In the book, two characters have a conversation about The Hanso Foundation, specifically THF's seat on the board of Widmore. Seems Alvar is gone (from the board) and replaced with Mittelwerk (who one of the characters calls "Mudworm"). The same character says Mittelwerk "is sneaky. I much preferred having Alvar on the board. Alvar is a gentleman".

He also says Mittelwerk has "everything but morals. Everything but a conscience" to which the other person answers, " And who's Alvar? Jiminy Cricket?" That's the only really interesting passage in the book dealing the Hanso or THF"


Blogger Joe D said...

Interesting..The Hanso Foundation is part of Widmore...and Dharma is part of Hanso. Means things are bigger and more complicated than we thought..

Also interesting:
"The Valenzetti Equation":

What if a mathematical equation could predict the apocalypse? Using recently-declassified material and hundreds of hours of interviews with former employees of the United Nations and prominent members of the defense and academic establishment, best-selling author Gary Troup turns his finely honed sense of mystery toward one of the most vexing mathematical riddles of our time.

valenzetti.com, thevalenzettiequation.com, enzovalenzetti.com and valenzettiequation.com, presumably (although unconfirmed) someone from ABC or related to the show.

I think that fully puts to rest any of the The Valenzetti Foundation stuff. It would seem (from the interviews as well) that Valenzetti refers to a mathematical theorem and it's author instead of a business/corporation...but it still may be too early to entirely rule out a Valenzetti Foundation..

5/07/2006 05:23:00 PM  
Blogger ZS said...



5/07/2006 06:34:00 PM  
Blogger Joe D said...

Oh look a shoddy, fan-made website. I guess you sure shot down my theory...

5/07/2006 06:46:00 PM  
Blogger Neil Frogurt said...

That's not the only refrence to Hanso in the book.

There's a somewhat detailed description of a Hanos labratory in NYC. The fact that it has nothing to do with the actual story has to mean it'll fit into the experience somehow.

5/07/2006 07:01:00 PM  
Blogger Joe D said...

I just thought it was interesting to see how Dhrama was part of Hanso, which is in turn part of Widmore (if I'm reading that correctly), seeing as how (at least I) once thought Dharma was a sort of corporation all it's own.

I'm not sure if the book will relate to the experience yet...it could just contain info for the fans.

Frogurt: You have the description of the labs? Anything interesting?

5/07/2006 07:08:00 PM  
Blogger mykull said...

The two characters who have the conversation about Hanso are Arthur and Clifford Widmore. Arthur, Cliff's father, is the one who speaks fondly of Alvar Hanso.

Neil Frogurt is correct: at one point when the protagonist, Paul Artisan, is going to visit Cliff at the Widmore Corporation, he gets off on the wrong floor--the 42nd floor, where Hanso Corp is. He sees people in white lab coats and a plaque bearing Hanso's mission statement.

It's been noted that Gary Troup is an anagram of PURGATORY. In the beginning of the book, there is a letter from and later to Troup's editor in Australia, Christine DeVries. One anagram of her name is RECEIVED HINTS SIR. (This is probably just a coincidence, but interesting nonetheless.)


Finally, if we're to believe the ending of the book, it seems probable that the Widmore family is no longer involved with the company.

5/07/2006 07:48:00 PM  
Blogger Morbius said...

Noticed something interesting - the widmore corporation site "widmoregroup.com" has a little piece of text on the bottom right that has changed.

It used to read "Ana Dolce Me 27:21". It now reads "Ocean Medal 10820892X"

I don't know what this means.

5/07/2006 08:00:00 PM  
Blogger Morbius said...

There are numerous other changes to the wismore page, notably the links on the left of the page...they were all dead previously.

5/07/2006 08:10:00 PM  
Blogger xtremdelt said...

The ocianicairlines website has changed again, in just the last few hours.

Shows an error message then something about it not being time yet. Then it shows a "?" and then "8:15"

Maybe tomorrow monring? But which timezone?

5/07/2006 08:35:00 PM  
Blogger ZS said...

Joe D: Sorry! Didn't notice the banner at the bottom. But hey, tomorrow we'll have some sort of clue that'll make us all forget about my gaff.


Oh, and xtremdelt, it'd more than likely be tomorrow night. Or maybe both. I doubt it'd be only the morning.

5/07/2006 08:41:00 PM  
Blogger babe321 said...

Did any notice on the widmoregroup.com page some of the links are live now and display the following letters...


not sure what that means.

5/07/2006 09:51:00 PM  
Blogger mykull said...

babe321, yesterday all five links had one letter each:



Now there are only four current projects listed. Project Sparta requires a log in. Battersea Power Station is incredibly detailed and seems like a legitimate website (tons of phone #s and addresses listed) . . .

5/07/2006 10:04:00 PM  
Blogger babe321 said...

Have any of you all seen on other sites leaving Hugh a message and getting a live call back? You can ask him questions, etc. This is probably old news, but it's so easy to fall behind on this stuff.

5/07/2006 10:10:00 PM  
Blogger icallwindow said...

babe321: the calls from Hugh was a prank. Some punk somehow hacked into his phoneline and started calling people who'd left there numbers.

5/07/2006 10:14:00 PM  
Blogger Jenny said...

really, icallwindows? that's so disappointing, whoever was calling the people back was doing an amazing job.

5/07/2006 10:36:00 PM  
Blogger Starpossum said...

Gary Troup is not Turbine Man.

5/08/2006 12:55:00 AM  
Blogger NYStingRay said...

Starpossum.... Have you any arguement to support your claim?

I don't believe he is neither, but I have no reason to think he is nor think he is not, why are you so adamit about it?

5/08/2006 01:34:00 AM  
Blogger Asindrew said...

I am an Australian and we are up to episode 11-12. Uk are much earlier in episodes. I have not seen any referernce to Valanzetti or gary troupe. So those in America obviously have, but this is why i think it aint apart of the game. Why would UK and Aust be excluded from a clue which is show related, that we eventually get in 5-10 weeks time. Just doesnt make sense at this point.

5/08/2006 02:57:00 AM  
Blogger phnord said...

asindrew: As of even where us American's are, there have not been many references to Gary Troup and the Valanzetti equation.

Without spoiling anything, at one point a character finds amongst the luggage from the plane a manuscript for a book, called Bad Twin, by Gary Troup. That's the only reference we've seen to him at all.

And at one point, we come across a whole bunch of information, most of which we have no clue what it means. Amongst this garbled information is the word Valenzetti at one point, but that was the only reference to that.

So in short, no matter where you are we don't know much about it - however, if you're EXTRA observant and you've seen up to the middle of season 2, you'd know that Gary and the Valenzetti equation are somehow connected to lost.

5/08/2006 07:15:00 AM  
Blogger David said...

This is sort of a repost, but with an update.

Several days after writing to "grendel", I got a response from Global Paradigm Corp with a new web address.


That's all I got back from "info@globalparadigmscorp.com". It asks you to log in. I tried a variety of username and password (username either grendel or msontag, passwords concerning anything on his bio page).

Anyone have any ideas? Here's my original post with link to Sontag's page.

Found this by going through the FAQ at the Velenzetti site. He has a link at the bottom to "Caroline", which has a link to "My favorite author". That site about S.K. Nave has a list of books (including "Here There Be Dragons" which was written on the blast door on the show) and a biography. In the biography, there is a link about "crackpots" and then on that page is a link about "Michael Sontag". On that page is a link to "Michael Sontag" again, which shows his personal page. The ISBN barcode there is for Fantasia (the Disney film) and if you select-all on his page, it reveals text that says "Stephenson was wrong. There are five. He missed weapons." and some morse code. Using a java translator, the morse code says: "EMAIL GRENDEL AT GLOBALPARADIGMSCORP DOT COM TO FIND HIS CAGE". I have emailed that address, but haven't received a response yet.

5/08/2006 07:44:00 AM  
Blogger Draic said...

Babble about the Valenzetti webmaze - if you don't care, stop reading now.

The Valenzetti webmaze seems very interesting. I was half-heartedly going at it and discovered that the 'chemical formula' on Enrico's webpage is actually a code that translates to 'Chernobog Assassin'. Chernobog is a Slavic dark god, but more importantly was an important evil demon-character in Fantasia. I emailed this finding to "Enrico" and his eventual response was dismissive, linking to a conspiracy theorist blog called "The Accuracy Institute". This blog's owner is the 'crackpot' as linked from the S.K. Nave page.
So basically I guess this is a confirmation that misterinvisible is on the right track, and that this IS a webmaze, but whether it is part of the official LOST webpage is unclear. My gut feeling is that it isn't. Perhaps we should set up a secondary blog to deal with this webmaze, just in case?

5/08/2006 08:19:00 AM  
Blogger Draic said...

There are three websites I check to keep myself up-to-date with the latest official Lost Experience developments:

1: this blog.
2: http://www.thelostexperience.com/
- which is set out pretty much like this blog, but with forums and some other stuff that I usually don't check.
3: Lostpedia
- where all information anyone has on anything about the show is kept. But the whole site can count as a spoiler for the tv show, because it is based on the most current information - the US eps.

So if you're wondering who is breaking the codes and where all this information is coming from, chances are that it was from one of these communities (or so it seems to me).

5/08/2006 08:27:00 AM  
Blogger Freeman said...

I just want to say...you guys are a ton of fun.

Strikes me that the season isn't over yet and ABC is just getting the game started. Tons of those links won't be available for months, I'm sure. Any website we haven't had access to yet is probably one we're not even anticipating.

I'm curious to see how consistent the mythology is within the game and on the show. Right now it almost seems to obvious: The Island and its secrets are the results of the Hanso Foundations Experiments. I'm hoping that doesn't wind up being the explanation...it's just a bit too "pat."

Thanks for summarizing the book and the good stuff in it, though. I didn't want to have to stand there at Barnes and Noble and page through it looking for the words Widmore and Hanso.

5/08/2006 08:30:00 AM  
Blogger David said...

draic I agree, the Valenzetti webmaze has been more interesting to me than the Hanso/Persephone stuff. I'm hoping it's part of the Experience. A whois showed that accuracyinstitute.org and globalparadigmscorp.com both have the same address and phone number in their information. I called the phone number and someone named Art at the Bubank Branch has a voicemail box there. The valenzettifoundation.org site has totally different registration info (a lot of Italian) and is hosted by a different web hosting company (although they are also in California).

I'm all for setting up a separate Valenzetti site .. maybe I can look into that today. Would anyone else be interested?

5/08/2006 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger Starpossum said...

nystingray: I'm going by the Lost: Season 1 DVD. There's a section in the special features called 'Welcome To Oahu: The Making of the Pilot' and there is a bit in that where we can see a stuntman and several stunt crew practicing the scene.

Turbine Man is Frank Torres, not Gary Troup.

5/09/2006 12:59:00 AM  
Blogger Starpossum said...

Okay guys, I'm slow: I've just realised that Gary Troup is the CHARACTER, not the actor. :P
Please disregard all my previous comments about the matter. *goes away to blush*

5/09/2006 01:32:00 AM  
Blogger Michael said...

Has anyone noticed the response to the newspaper ads on garytroupbooks.com?

also, if you go to the links page and click the bad twin logo, it links to the hanso site?

We should definately watch this site for new clues.

5/10/2006 05:49:00 PM  
Blogger BigChase said...

do you think that the manuscript sawyer was reading in the last episode was by gary troup? that maybe sawyer knows alot more about the island but hasn't been able to say anything because of all the recent activity involving the shooting?

5/10/2006 10:33:00 PM  
Blogger Kat said...

Some interesting speculation about Cindy (Gary Troup's girlfriend, flight attendant on the plane), that may be relevant to the book. First of all, her disappearance was incredibly suspicious... The tailies were walking in the jungle, and all of a sudden, she was gone without a noise or a trace? Not even any sign of an attacker, or someone approaching (other than Sayid and Shannon, later on). Pretty suspicious... and we haven't seen her since.

Also, on the plane, she definitely seems to be in the *front section* during the crash, not the tail, before it breaks in half (she and the other flight attendant followed Charlie to the front bathroom and kept pounding on the door, remember?) Anyway, I think she is indeed a suspicious character... so I would watch out for any mention to her in the book or in the show that may seem questionnable, or suggest her being linked to Hanso or any other shady corporation.

5/10/2006 11:12:00 PM  
Blogger Erik said...

Just to add one little tidbit regarding "Bad Twin". Anyone catch the gate code to the Widmore mansion? It was 8-1-5-1-6. According to Zander, these were the twins' birthdays (born on either side of midnight). These are the 2nd,3rd, and 4th numbers of the sequence.

5/11/2006 12:17:00 PM  
Blogger deelosticious said...

www.widmoregroup.com had this disclaimer on their privacy page:

Disclaimer: WidmoreGroup.com is not affiliated with ABC / Touchstone Television© or Walt Disney Internet Group©.

this must be a fansite.

5/11/2006 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger berin kinsman said...

Thanks for the plug!

Berin Kinsman

5/12/2006 09:21:00 AM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

Put two and two together.

Q: 4 8 15 16 23 42 Give me an answer.

A: The first two numbers are my birthday (Aprile 8) and I am today 42. But I add in on the numbers and I convince 108, the number of minuteren affinchè a satellite wheels approximately the planet. I have seen this number before when my visited JPL father -- it has written on a blackboard when it communicates with young Russian and then cancelled it when an other man has entered in the room. I was then much young person, benchè, so as to you did not remember me well

Erik said...
Just to add one little tidbit regarding "Bad Twin". Anyone catch the gate code to the Widmore mansion? It was 8-1-5-1-6. According to Zander, these were the twins' birthdays (born on either side of midnight). These are the 2nd,3rd, and 4th numbers of the sequence.

5/11/2006 12:17:12 PM

5/12/2006 09:12:00 PM  
Blogger Will said...

Regarding the airlines webpage...

I don't think 8:15 is a time, I think it's a teaser for the beginning of the next season. This game's designed to run throughout the summer. I think 8:15 is the premier date.

5/13/2006 07:20:00 PM  
Blogger Revant said...

Mr. Invisible,
try the gpc parent directory, there is a Political map of the world there, with three links over the US, USSR, and China...I have no idea what these mean...also the GPC policies off the main page have a rather harsh warning...
"Unauthorized access to these areas may have national security implications. Those in violation of access protocols may be subject to national and international law. In the jurisdiction of the United States, these charges are severe, ranging up to and including treason which carries a penalty of execution.

8. You have been warned.

Any ideas? I look forward to hearing your thoughts...as well as everyones. I love this game so far!

5/14/2006 03:04:00 AM  
Blogger Joy said...

I am new to this, so forgive me if this is old news. Did anyone notice that Lockes father is on the board of directors at Widmore? http://www.widmoregroup.com/corporate.htm

An interesting connection...

5/16/2006 02:25:00 PM  
Blogger thankyouandnamaste said...

Gary Troup is a anagram (is that the right word?) for purgatory.

Definition: temporary state or process of "cleansing" after death in preparation for Heaven

5/18/2006 08:48:00 PM  
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