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Clue #27 - Persephone (4) Whose Running This Place?

If you login and go to Executive Bios and click on "October 28, 2003" underneath the picture of Alvar Hanso, it takes you through a series of links. Here is what Persephone tells us:

Persephone: "Notice the grainy far away picture? It doesn't match anyone else.

Then it takes you to a global map which shows Alvar's last known public appearances in London (14.06.2000), Copenhagen (12.11.2000), Paris (23.02.2001), Geneva (12.07.2001), Rome (18.09.2001), back to Geneva and Copenhagen, then to somewhere off the map, then back to Copehnagen(01.01.2001),. His trip ends in Madrid(31.12.2002) on December 31, 2002

Persephone: "This is the last record I found of any public appearance of Alvar Hanso. The man hasn't been seen in public since 2002!!! Is he hiding? Alvar Hanso was never there. Whose running this place anyway?"

Wait for the green dot... it sounds like morse code.

SAFE G other ideas SAFER, SAFE 9, SAFE M, SAVE ME (See Clue #45)

Is this correct? What does this mean? Also, looking at the dates, does anyone else think they made a mistake with the 01.01.2001 date? Did they mean to do 2002 or is Alvar traveling through time?

Also, read the phone transcript on Clue #7 again (option 2). It sounds like Persephone interrupting asking "What have they done with him?"

211 Comments:

Blogger Saeid said...

I think the morse code says "SAFEG" which makes no sense. G and R are similar in morse, so I'm guessing it is saying SAFER. :)

5/08/2006 03:29:00 PM  
Blogger JoeJoeD said...

If you notice just before the map jumps from Roma back to Copenhagen, it looks as if he goes up to the north pole and then comes back to Copenhagen, only the dates are out of sequence which seems that maybe when he went to the north pole, he went back in time. hmmmmm...

5/08/2006 03:30:00 PM  
Blogger DuckHuntLogic said...

I saw all of the dates, but they are not in the usual fomat of M/D/Y. I know that there are many countries that do it differently, is Dutch like that at all??

Also, my computer is a certified POS and it takes a sold 3 minutes for the Persephone message (from the Newsletter section to) to load. I noticed that right behind the "Welcome Back" some letters appear and then are quickly covered up.

Has anyone else noticed or been able to get a screen shot, I'm gonna try but it's kinda difficult on my machine.

5/08/2006 03:35:00 PM  
Blogger Saeid said...

DuckHuntLogic, all is says is 'sdsdsd'

5/08/2006 03:38:00 PM  
Blogger TT said...

no it definately says SAFER (... ._ .._. . ._.) listen closely. Still, lame clue and unexited by this development. Come on JJ, keep the good stuff coming.

5/08/2006 03:41:00 PM  
Blogger sonofabitch said...

in engerland we use day/month/year

i got the morse as either SAFED or SAFE 9

safe 9 being tomorrow?

it's very safe around that site...

5/08/2006 03:42:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Finally got in after clearing my cache. Kinda frustrated there for a bit!

Don't know which moderator is doing the posting today, but we know you have a life other than this. It's OK if it takes a while to get back to it. You're doing a bang up job!

5/08/2006 03:43:00 PM  
Blogger TT said...

sdsdsd would be ... _.. ... _.. ... _.. Too many beeps to begin with

5/08/2006 03:43:00 PM  
Blogger kickerkb said...

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5/08/2006 03:43:00 PM  
Blogger tekgirl said...

Sorry - thats nothing new i'm afraid.

5/08/2006 03:46:00 PM  
Blogger Saeid said...

Oh, Todd, the sdsdsd thing wasn't about morse it was about something else. read one of the first comments... =

5/08/2006 03:47:00 PM  
Blogger Brian said...

Go to Joop's corner after you run thru the Hanso date thing

5/08/2006 03:50:00 PM  
Blogger Mike S. said...

Was there a "Board of Directors" link before today on the Executive Bios page?

I may have missed it I guess originally..

Mike S.

5/08/2006 03:55:00 PM  
Blogger adedmat said...

This is what I got; SAFE G
*** = S
*- = A
**-* = F
* = E
[break]
--* = G

diffently --. after break

5/08/2006 03:55:00 PM  
Blogger Karl said...

why? nothing has changed in joops corner.

5/08/2006 03:55:00 PM  
Blogger Freeman said...

Hey crew...a little advice.

The link is live for me for some reason. Why would that be? Do I need to do something like "Clear My Cache?"

5/08/2006 03:56:00 PM  
Blogger icallwindow said...

It appears you need some kind of password to send Joop a message now...

5/08/2006 03:57:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Hmmmm...Joop seems to work fine for me. Same game, same everything.

5/08/2006 04:03:00 PM  
Blogger Christine said...

Once you run through the date thing go to Joops corner and wave your mouse over the main area. It's a clickable link. It brought me back to the intro before entering the site but the voice sounded far away. I wasn't able to figure out much after that.

5/08/2006 04:03:00 PM  
Blogger nb said...

Hey mine dosn't have a link where the date is...

What can i do??

5/08/2006 04:03:00 PM  
Blogger HEARTandSYNAPSE said...

right, i may have been imagining things, but after i did all the new stuff, with the world map, and it brought me back to the board of directors page, i typed 'miracle' into the log-in page and it didnt time out, it reloaded the page, back to the intro by the woman, but it was duplicating the sound and went weird, so i closed the tab and re-opened and then it wouldnt do it again....


ALSO

anyone else think the whole 'where is he' thing, with all the text flying around seemed to link the is and he, to make it look like 'she'? like alvar hanso might be a female? clutching at straws much?

5/08/2006 04:04:00 PM  
Blogger hoopleton said...

could the dates be another of persephone's code? Just brainstorming.

5/08/2006 04:04:00 PM  
Blogger Ithilethiel said...

does anyone think that Persephone is the lady who asked "Where is Alvar Hanso? What have they done with him?" in the phone line?

5/08/2006 04:07:00 PM  
Blogger Mark S said...

hmmz, safe 9 .. so i guess we'll wait another hour and all hit F5 ;)

5/08/2006 04:07:00 PM  
Blogger discogal said...

After you click on the map, when the words flash "where is he hiding" "who is running this place", etc. you definitely see the outline of a creepy face, in green...kinda make out a mustache and glasses, in the map ...before it goes to code. That same face shows up only once or twice in Joops live cam...(not talking about the outline of the african american man from the hanso website)...this is a different face, definitely creepy.

The Joop thing works fine for me...but all the clues in the different countries are different at times, right?

5/08/2006 04:07:00 PM  
Blogger nb said...

Hey mine dosn't have a link where the date is...

What can i do??

Can anyone help?

Thanks

5/08/2006 04:07:00 PM  
Blogger Saeid said...

There are some changes to Hanso's page. One, and I'm not positive, but i THINK his signature has changed? Not positive.

Also, "Alvar" isn't bolded anymore. Significance? I have no clue.

"Alvar" is also missing from his info in the first paragraph.

"World" is missing from the second paragraph.

And the "St" of standards is midding in the third paragraph.

5/08/2006 04:09:00 PM  
Blogger borge12 said...

Joop's conner works fine for me.

I also had the thing where it sent me back to the beginning, however, it did this by itself, I didn't touch it.

5/08/2006 04:09:00 PM  
Blogger discogal said...

And to add to my comment...the face LOOKS like it MIGHT be a lady...an older woman with a necklace perhaps, pearl? It's really hard to make out the details of the face...but that would go with the poster above that said it was linking "he" to "is" to make she...

5/08/2006 04:10:00 PM  
Blogger HEARTandSYNAPSE said...

yeah, the log-in works if you use miracle after viewing the map, but it just duplicates the sound, and nothing seems to have changed. and tghe text on Joops page isnt a link for me?

5/08/2006 04:11:00 PM  
Blogger Man Of Faith said...

I know morse code by heart from beeing a scout leader, the code says "SAFE 9" in the alphabet i learned, but the wikipedia morse alphabet differs somewhat from the alphabet i learned, so it could be both G and 9. 9 makes most sense to me :)

S = . . .
A = . _
F = . . _ .
E = .

9 = _ _ .

here is a link to the alphabet i learned: http://www.cwhistory.com/history/TeacherPack/morsecode.html

and here is the wikipedia alphabet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code

5/08/2006 04:11:00 PM  
Blogger Ithilethiel said...

after you ran the flash after you click on the link, the words in the alvar hanso bio are missing. if you check the flash again, the missing words are in the same position as the dates in the flash.

so, the missing words may not be significant.

5/08/2006 04:12:00 PM  
Blogger nb said...

Hey mine dosn't have a link where the date is...

What can i do??

Can anyone help?

Thanks

5/08/2006 04:17:00 PM  
Blogger discogal said...

One last comment about this...after studying the outline of the face that appears after the dates, while the words are flashing "where is he", etc. - it STARTS as Alvo Hanso's profile but definitely turns into someone elses face...and I still think it could be an older woman...

5/08/2006 04:17:00 PM  
Blogger tekgirl said...

nb - scroll up, you'll find the info you need... ;)

5/08/2006 04:18:00 PM  
Blogger HEARTandSYNAPSE said...

ok

google, hear me roar;

14/6/2000-
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/stories/s140129.htm
Implications of the human genome project

KERRY O'BRIEN: For almost a decade now, a great deal of hope has been invested in the future of genetics in medicine to defeat our worst diseases, particularly since major world powers committed huge huge sums of money to map the entire genetic blueprint known as the human genome.

Now an American company is on the verge of completing that map, which should allow biotechnology companies worldwide to isolate genes that cause disease and devise treatments, if not a cure.

(taken from an abc website. weird)

relevant?

5/08/2006 04:20:00 PM  
Blogger sonofabitch said...

ya'll think that having Alvar in pink on the bio bit might be another clue as to alvar being a lady?

5/08/2006 04:20:00 PM  
Blogger Murphys Law said...

The music has definately changed behind the site. There is a more pronounced drum beat...

5/08/2006 04:23:00 PM  
Blogger HEARTandSYNAPSE said...

hmm...we don'thave a clear pic of Alvar.

and we have no pic of Liddy Wales....

?

5/08/2006 04:24:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Liddy Wales maybe? Her picture is missing from the Board of Directors page.

Imagine, folks. A whole summer of this!

5/08/2006 04:24:00 PM  
Blogger borge12 said...

All the names in the bio are pink.

5/08/2006 04:25:00 PM  
Blogger Mark S said...

nb: You might want to do the 'older' clue's first. I've been running through the SWF code today, and noticed that after events like the newsletter, joop's webcam etc. There are some sort of "stages" set, with a code .. f.e. Site.setAsSeen("p8ath7ax"); after doing the joop clue.

Site.checkIfSeen("chlaw9lu") for the newsletter, so when you don't have an 'older' code, i think (assume) you will not see newer clue's.

I think we'll also see something about "familytrack" later in the game ;-)

5/08/2006 04:26:00 PM  
Blogger HEARTandSYNAPSE said...

also

Alvar Hanso hasn't been seen in public since 2002.

the picture on the hanso site is 28/10/03

??

5/08/2006 04:28:00 PM  
Blogger Acts4Food said...

Could the dates possibly be another clue??? If you take out the years then all of them fall into the alphabet but the spain one... NFLKWBLGRIAAL

5/08/2006 04:29:00 PM  
Blogger CommanderAce said...

discogal:
I've been though the source code for the new page and I can't see any faces in there, and I only see the Mental Health dude in Joops code

5/08/2006 04:30:00 PM  
Blogger Cedar said...

It's def. SAFE 9. There's a break between SAFE and 9. The person in the pic on the map is probably Alvar.

Has anyone figured out the login name and password?

5/08/2006 04:31:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

The "Sound OFf/On" button gets disabled after going through the Hanso thing.

5/08/2006 04:31:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

Yeah. The green image that was coming through looked like the same Hanso pic.

5/08/2006 04:32:00 PM  
Blogger SWE_Archon said...

just wondering...

the oceanicairlines.com is now blank again, did this update correspond anything to the time 8:15? Perhabs not in the US, but somewhere in the world?

I mean, the last mess on the ocean-site was wrong time error.. It could lead us to the timezon where Hanso i hidning? Perhabs a longshot but...

5/08/2006 04:32:00 PM  
Blogger Mark S said...

http://thehansofoundation.org/feed/thehansofoundation.xml is fixed :)

5/08/2006 04:33:00 PM  
Blogger CommanderAce said...

mark s:
I noticed that familytrack.net thing too, however when I try a whois it says its exceeded some 24hr limit

5/08/2006 04:33:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

Is there a significance to the date OCTOBER 28th 2001?

The Electromagnetic Research Initiative has a pic from "Early morning hours of October 28, 2001"

Is there a connection to Hanso's trips? Is this the date of "the accident?"

5/08/2006 04:35:00 PM  
Blogger CommanderAce said...

swe_archon:
According to my cache the site was updated at 20:10 GMT not too far of 8:15 if usinf a 12hr clock

5/08/2006 04:36:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Hmmm... Oceanic is still the same for me...

5/08/2006 04:36:00 PM  
Blogger Steeeb said...

Its definatly SAFE G

Ive got throught it frame by frame

5/08/2006 04:36:00 PM  
Blogger Cedar said...

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5/08/2006 04:37:00 PM  
Blogger MLanders said...

I wouldn't read too much into the dates standing for letters, thats just going overboard, and I doubt they will use the same puzzle type twice. It's too easy.

Now they use morse code, maybe next time they use a playfair cypher or something similar, I think it will just keep getting harder and harder

Regarding the posters about the last "letter" in the code, I haven't had a chance to write it down myself yet, but the discrepency could come from the fact that there are two major morse code systems "International" and "American" There are a couple of differences in the two systems which could account for the difference translations

5/08/2006 04:38:00 PM  
Blogger Zach said...

idk if this is anything new but looking through the source of the flash files, it seems that Thomas Mittlewerk is the only one who has an email address in the file.

it is mittlewerk@hansofoundation.org

5/08/2006 04:41:00 PM  
Blogger Saeid said...

SAFE G and SAFE 9 are possible, but they just make no sense at all! Any theories as to what they mean?

5/08/2006 04:42:00 PM  
Blogger Mark S said...

CommanderAce: I've just email the owner of the domain, he said he knew, and that's why he bought the domain.. hmm ..

5/08/2006 04:43:00 PM  
Blogger MLanders said...

perhaps its a password, we'll probably find out in a day or 2, I'm done looking for the time being, if this thing is going to last all summer there wont be new updates every two hours. We'll be lucky with a couple of times a week

Afterall they wont people that don't have a lot of time to be involved

5/08/2006 04:44:00 PM  
Blogger CommanderAce said...

Well, originally the first message was
"Log in at THF.org May 1 This is safe for now"
which later turned out to be the May 8 (today)

Notice how 'This is SAFE for now' and a date is somewhat similar to 'SAFE 9' meaning it will be safe to try again tomorrow for another clue.
It would be safe to assume the change will occur at 8:15pm GMT

5/08/2006 04:46:00 PM  
Blogger Mark S said...

or in 13 minutes from now ;)

or the oceanic site will be updated at 8:15 tomorrow

5/08/2006 04:50:00 PM  
Blogger Oceaniclost said...

interesting how mittlewerk uses the word "shepherd" in his quote below his picture.
Probally nothing.

5/08/2006 04:50:00 PM  
Blogger Diceplaya said...

Morse Code link

http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/s/n/snp134/Lost/Morse%20code.mov

Stephon

5/08/2006 04:51:00 PM  
Blogger Zach said...

interesting - mittelwerk is an underground tunnel system


http://www.v2rocket.com/start/chapters/mittel.html

5/08/2006 04:59:00 PM  
Blogger MLanders said...

SAFE G sounds like an item from Kingdom Hearts

5/08/2006 05:02:00 PM  
Blogger clare said...

safe 9...... i wonder whats gonna be on the site 2 morrow... if it does say safe 9. and that would make sense that its safe to log on tomorrow. better than safe g or safer. maybe it has to do with 9 members of lost are safe? i dunno though.

5/08/2006 05:03:00 PM  
Blogger CommanderAce said...

About their photos:
Looking at the original pictures in the source code, everyones other than Hanso and Mittlewerk has square corners, Hanso and Mittlewerks are rounded, so the statement on the front page is most likely true. ie: they are stock photos.

Unfortuently their is no hint in their names as to where they are from

5/08/2006 05:04:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff Baril said...

SAFER would make some sense in context with the experience...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_And_Fast_Encryption_Routine

5/08/2006 05:06:00 PM  
Blogger sarahc99 said...

http://creative.gettyimages.com/source/classes/FrameSet.aspx?&UQR=esdyez&pk=4&source=front&lightboxView=1&txtSearch=businessmen&chkRoyaltyFree=on&selImageType=7

recognise anyone?

5/08/2006 05:13:00 PM  
Blogger sarahc99 said...

page 6

5/08/2006 05:14:00 PM  
Blogger SWE_Archon said...

hm!?

It says "Dr. Thomas Werner Mittelwerk" on THF.org but all the transcrips from the phone clue says "Dr. Thomas Vernon Mittelwerk" is it Vernon or Werner?

5/08/2006 05:16:00 PM  
Blogger Saeid said...

Dick Cheever!

5/08/2006 05:16:00 PM  
Blogger HEARTandSYNAPSE said...

dick cheever is on page 6, jacob vanderfield is on page 1

5/08/2006 05:24:00 PM  
Blogger Rachel said...

Swe_Archon in regards to the Vernon and Werner thing. I may be totally off on this but where Hanso is located they would say the W as a V so perhaps Werner sounds like Vernon. I'm probably wrong but it was the first thing that came to mind when you mentioned it.

5/08/2006 05:25:00 PM  
Blogger sarahc99 said...

http://creative.gettyimages.com/source/classes/FrameSet.aspx?&UQR=esdyez&pk=4&source=front&lightboxView=1&txtSearch=businessmen&chkRoyaltyFree=on&selImageType=7

here's the dude who's behind joop

5/08/2006 05:25:00 PM  
Blogger sarahc99 said...

joop's on that site as well. search orangutan, page 2, 11th row down

5/08/2006 05:46:00 PM  
Blogger Dennis said...

The first Morse Code set that comes up when you do a Google Image Search is wrong: http://www.cwhistory.com/history/TeacherPack/morsecode.html

This does not match International Morse Code or the obsolete American Morse Code - so what is it? Can anyone find a different source for this chart?

All of the other Morse Code charts I have looked at match the Wikipedia chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code

American Morse Code: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Morse_code

This is what I got

s ...
a .-
f ..-.
e .
g --.

Rotating the letters doesn't give us much:

safeg gefas
afegs sgefa
fegsa asgef
egsaf fasge
gsafe efasg

Reading the code from right to left doesn't do much either:

welns snlew
elnsw wsnlw
lnswe ewsnl
nswel lewsn
sweln nlews

There may be a way to recombine the code into more or less letters (ala Kryptos):

i.e.

.. ..-. . -. .- -.

I F E N A N

... but I havent found anything yet...

5/08/2006 05:48:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

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5/08/2006 05:49:00 PM  
Blogger SWE_Archon said...

Rachel you are probably right.. hm but I wonder... Mittlewerk says on the phone message "I will be continuously updating the confidential information line. Please refer to your project manual for hotline access instructions. Thank You and Namaste." Could the clues we are getting have something to do with that?

5/08/2006 05:50:00 PM  
Blogger Pistolharris said...

Question: what does Persephone mean by 'Alvar Hanso was never there'? Never where?

Also, I know it's unlikely, but: Safe = Hatch? *shrugs*

5/08/2006 05:54:00 PM  
Blogger DuckHuntLogic said...

Ok, so using some high tech methods (ie. microphone against speaker) I got a copy of the morse code and slowed it down to like .25 speed.

Just use the standard PC sound recorder if you wanna try. I definetly hear "SAFE G". There is a definet break after "safe" also it is no 9. Unles my alphabet is innacurate there is no way it could be confused for 9 ( - - - - ) G is ( - - .) there's not even enough characters for it to be 9.

The one place that there is some wiggle room is S ( . . . ) When you slow it down there is a slight pause between the first 2 and the last one. (. . / . ) This would translate out to be "IEAFE G". Plug that into an anagram server and you get nothing;

agee if
age fie
age fe i

Anybody else have thoughts on the morse code?? Cause I can't figure it out. Could Safe G be a hint towards another cyper? G is safe, take it out leave it in, I dunno code craking is not my thing but if this spurs on anyone who does know what they're doing let me know!!

~Chip

5/08/2006 05:59:00 PM  
Blogger Acts4Food said...

In relation to disney stuff... joop is expirement 626... stitch from lilo and stitch is 626 as well...

5/08/2006 06:05:00 PM  
Blogger HEARTandSYNAPSE said...

Question: what does Persephone mean by 'Alvar Hanso was never there'? Never where?

because it's not a real person?

5/08/2006 06:06:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

Okay I was clicking in the wrong place...got it all now...I will delete my previous message.

5/08/2006 06:10:00 PM  
Blogger HEARTandSYNAPSE said...

i may be missing something, but is there a new active project, that wasnt there before? i dont remember seeing 'Institute for Genomic Advancement' there before.

Genomic Advancement?

this corresponds to the link with the first date on Alvar's route on the map, a news item that came up in a google search for that date, posted further up this thread

5/08/2006 06:11:00 PM  
Blogger HEARTandSYNAPSE said...

safe g applies to this maybe?

5/08/2006 06:12:00 PM  
Blogger jessandgabesmom said...

>>Question: what does Persephone mean by 'Alvar Hanso was never there'? Never where? <<

I think she's referring to the link we clicked on where it says that the photo was taken in October 2003 as a public relations stint. I think she is trying to say that is not where the picture came from, that there is no public record of him after 2002?

5/08/2006 06:13:00 PM  
Blogger Melissa said...

Pistolharris, I think Persephone means that picture is not of Alvar. this is because the picture is dated 2003, and Alvar hasn't been seen since 2002.

It either means someone has dated the picture wrong on purpose, or that it's not him.

5/08/2006 06:13:00 PM  
Blogger MLanders said...

SAFE G is defintely what it says and i really doubt it needs to be scrambled, just translating the morse code is a challenge enough, if what it says doesn't make sense to anyone people are going to be turned off by the game.

Most people are probably trying to figure it out on their own and not relying on a website like this one for what to do next, it says SAFE G, we'll figure out what it means eventually

5/08/2006 06:14:00 PM  
Blogger Pistolharris said...

Thanks for clearing that up for me! Though if it's not him, it's curious that that's the only image we have of him, despite his supposedly numerous public appearances. It's also the footage that Dharma uses in their training video in 'Orientation'. There has to have been a real Alvar Hanso, at least before 2002, so... hmm.

5/08/2006 06:17:00 PM  
Blogger b!X said...

"Is there a significance to the date OCTOBER 28th 2001?

The Electromagnetic Research Initiative has a pic from "Early morning hours of October 28, 2001"

Is there a connection to Hanso's trips? Is this the date of "the accident?


Well, that date coincides with the gap during which he flies north off the top of the screen, for sure.

Given that October 28, 1943, is generally the date of the Philadelphia Experiment (perennial discussion topic when it coems to Lost in general), I would think it's clear they did not make a mistake with the curious date changes in Hanso's trips.

He flew around in 2001, then flew somewhere north during October, then mysteriously re-appears on the map earlier in 2001 then when he left the top of the map.

5/08/2006 06:18:00 PM  
Blogger AlohaPrincess said...

I went to the date link about 3 times, but when I tried it again when I got to the map it wouldn't go past the third location. Did this happen to anyone else?

5/08/2006 06:28:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

Yea for "the one true b!x"!!!!

THAT answers my question. I don't know if it's a NEW clue but it's new to me. And that makes sense (in the way that things from Lost make sense) since it had to be a conscious choice to put THAT date on the pic.

yea! Yea for b!x and yea for me!

5/08/2006 06:28:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

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5/08/2006 06:34:00 PM  
Blogger DuckHuntLogic said...

I'll be the first to admit this is totally grasping straws but did anyone else notice that Peter Thompson turns green as Persephone talks about the date and Hanso when you first click the link.

Green with Envy perhaps, maybe he made a powerplay at Hasno to take control of some project. Though the fact that his picture is stock means he won't be in the show it still could come into play later on, I'm gonna keep an eye on that guys page.

~Chip

5/08/2006 06:36:00 PM  
Blogger Ryan said...

I agree with what was stated earlier, but posted this elsewhere and wanted to share:

Okay, so everyone keeps wondering if the dates are erroneous during Persephone's model... but I think they may actually be accurate. Note how Hanso ends up in Roma at 9/18/01 - the icon BLINKS to make special note of it. Then, the next trip sequence goes back to where he came from, but ends at Copenhagen in 1/1/01... Then, finally, he ends in Madrid in 12/31/02.

Now, please note the Electromagnetic Research Initiative, and note the phenomenon that takes place 10/28/01... right before Honso reaches Copenhagen, he flies off the map, and comes back at 1/1/01. Most of us took this to be a misprint, but the fac that:

A) This magnetic storm occurs sometime during Hanso's trip
B) It ALSO blinks, much like ROMA's date did, implies that it is of importance.

The string between ROMA, COPENHAGEN and MADRID is what's important.

So, that takes us to SAFE G... perhaps this has to do with the electromagnetic research? Not sure, but I think this is probably what we are supposed to asume from the information we're given. So, we just need to find out what that magnetic storm was.

Also, AFE are all points in the chart on the ERI page - perhaps they're vector points?

5/08/2006 06:37:00 PM  
Blogger Man Of Faith said...

its what ive learned in the norwegian boyscouts, maby its some special norwegian morse code, i dont know, but from what ive learned its a 9. :D

here is some general morse info for those interessted to find out:
http://www.netwalk.com/~fsv/CWguide.htm#Learning%20the

5/08/2006 06:37:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

went to the date link about 3 times, but when I tried it again when I got to the map it wouldn't go past the third location. Did this happen to anyone else?

Yes alohaprincess this is happening with me as well. The first couple of times it worked fine but when I went back to check on the little green dot others were talking about it got stuck twice, once at Copenhagen and then at Paris.

5/08/2006 06:38:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

Cait said: Now, please note the Electromagnetic Research Initiative, and note the phenomenon that takes place 10/28/01... right before Honso reaches Copenhagen, he flies off the map, and comes back at 1/1/01. Most of us took this to be a misprint, but the fac that:

A) This magnetic storm occurs sometime during Hanso's trip
B) It ALSO blinks, much like ROMA's date did, implies that it is of importance.


So if he *did* go back in time during the magnetic storm then perhaps this might also explain the Glenn Miller music on Sayid's radio? Remember Hurley's comment about "another time"...

5/08/2006 06:43:00 PM  
Blogger jcarubia said...

I just decoded the morse code. I got Safeme. Did anyone else get this?

"..."=S
".-"=A
"..-."=F
"."=E
"--"=M
"."=E

Anyone?

5/08/2006 06:44:00 PM  
Blogger Zach said...

same with me - ill see whats different about the file

5/08/2006 06:45:00 PM  
Blogger Ryan said...

Maybe he was "never there" implies he never made it to Madrid?

5/08/2006 06:46:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

Okay I got through all the locations on the map again and the "who is running this place" message but I don't see any green dot...could someone specify where they are seeing this and hearing the morse code?

5/08/2006 06:51:00 PM  
Blogger HEARTandSYNAPSE said...

institute for genomic advancement?

anyone?

5/08/2006 06:52:00 PM  
Blogger The Bloody Wanker said...

http://www.widmoregroup.com/news.htm


Has today's date on it. Figured I'd throw it out there??

5/08/2006 06:54:00 PM  
Blogger The Bloody Wanker said...

heartandsynapse, the IGA was in fact on the site before today's hooplah. I remember being frustrated at the lack of clickables. ;)

5/08/2006 06:56:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Genomic Advancement was always there, Heartland. What I've wondered from day one is WHAT are the lungs infected with?

5/08/2006 06:58:00 PM  
Blogger Saeid said...

We've narrowed down the morse code to either SAFEG or SAFE9 or SAFER. I think that's good enough. When the THF.org updates again, we'll just plug those 3 in and see which is correct. It's really not a big deal at all anymore. Good job guys :D

5/08/2006 07:00:00 PM  
Blogger adedmat said...

I have listened to the morse code over and over again for quite awhile.(am I lost obsessed or what;-) I'm one of the first here to say it was SAFE G and I'm sticking with that. The ending is diffently
--.=G
If there was a slight pause/break between -- and the . it could = me but there is no pause/break between the last 3 beeps. And it diffently isn't 9 according to international code. Here's a morse code site for proof;
http://morsecode.scphillips.com/morse.html

Still don't know what SAFE G means though.

5/08/2006 07:01:00 PM  
Blogger HEARTandSYNAPSE said...

urgh

i hate myself.

i was sure i hadnt seen it before.

but i mean, it is the major 'g' on the website. so maybe thats where the next clue will be located.

5/08/2006 07:01:00 PM  
Blogger Zach said...

hmmm widmoregroup.com

whats the big 6 on the contact us page

and why does the privacy page say not affiliated with ABC but the phone number on the main page is a 555 (fake) number

also - what is Ocean Medal 10820892X on the bottom of the page

what is the password for project sparta?

and mittlewerk and mcintyre are both on the corporate page

lots of questions - any answers?

5/08/2006 07:02:00 PM  
Blogger Ryan said...

Guys, don't be so focused on just the morse code, look at the whole picture - the entire event probably has to do with the electromagnetic storm that occured in 10/28/01 since he flies way up north, which is stereotypically where the "northern lights" are. Maybe safe G stands for same Gamma rays? What types of gamma rays are there?

5/08/2006 07:05:00 PM  
Blogger AlextheSuperfly said...

After listening to the morse many times, then recording it and slowing it down, it definitely comes out as ... .- ..-. . --.

Now, depending on which conversion you are using (and I have no idea which is the more valid) you either get safe 9 or safe G. I think it is important to note that there is a gap between the E and the 9/G - it is very pronounced. These are 2 seperate words.

It cannot be Safer, as the 3rd from last beep is far too long to be a pip. (R=.-.)

It also cannot be safe me, as there is no gap between the last two beeps. (me= -- . , not --.)

As for what this means...I haven't the foggiest. Safe 9 seems to make some sense, as it seems to be a location (ie. there are some safes andwe want the 9th one!) Safe G gives me no clue at all, although that doesn't mean that it doesn't mean anything.

PS. If anyone has anywhere to host a sound file, I can send them the slowed-down code if you want (although it is very easy to do yourself)

5/08/2006 07:12:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

The oceanicairlines.com says 8:15, what does this mean? It's almost 8:15.

5/08/2006 07:12:00 PM  
Blogger discogal said...

Ok, just a small thing...when you do go to alvo hanso's picture, click on that date, go through the whole map thing, etc. and then go back out to the executive bios page with the original picture...squiggle lines appear, etc. (like in joop) but also - words appear in "white out" like, alvo is missing, but then so is "world" and then "devel" in development, and "st" in standards...

Now, all I noticed is "devel" and "st"...to me, that's an awful lot like "devil" and "saint" and with the play on good/evil/religion in Lost, and the others, etc...I don't know...I have no idea but thought it was interesting.

5/08/2006 07:13:00 PM  
Blogger Potentium said...

http://www.kraftkost.com/pages/1/index.htm

I found it after a friend of mine got into the locked page at thedharmainitiative.org

he found a username and password, and was able to see that there was nothing there, except a link to this somewhere, I believe in the coding

5/08/2006 07:13:00 PM  
Blogger Saeid said...

According to Wikipedia (I don't know where they got this from though), Joop is "housed in Copenhagen, Denmark."

It seems like Alvar visited Joop and the Life Extension Program 3 times.

What is interesting is that Alvar visited Copenhagen a first time, for some reason went off the map, and somehow returns to Copenhagen at an earlier date.

So, I'll assume he time traveled at the place somewhere off the map.

But why? I think it has something to do with Joop. Why else would he get there, run off, and come at a previous time? Was it to save Joop's life? Somehow related to the experiment? Did something go wrong with Joop?

IDEAS? COMMENTS?

5/08/2006 07:22:00 PM  
Blogger natevoodoo said...

For those not seeing the October 28th, 2003 link under Alvar Hanso's photo today.
I had the same issue using Safari in Mac OS X.
When I opened the site using Firefox it worked and did the flash animation with the map.
But it never played the morse code. Weird.

This might be out of left field but it makes me think that the ascii number that decoded to:
HAS WIN HOST PC IN NIL URGE

was actually saying that you had to log in using a windows pc.
As in: "WIN HOST PC"
Because that flash animation only worked on internet explorer for pc (perhaps firefox is able to work while safari can not) Can anyone reverse engineer the flash code to see what's up with that?

5/08/2006 07:26:00 PM  
Blogger xenthebrain said...

It would be good if you could find out if this guy http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3285/hanso3on.jpg can also be found in Getty Images.

Would help us to know if we could expect more from this hidden foto on the page.

5/08/2006 07:31:00 PM  
Blogger HEARTandSYNAPSE said...

yeah, i always thought that decoding made too much sense in itself for it to be decoded again...

5/08/2006 07:31:00 PM  
Blogger Monday Lad said...

Natevoodoo: I viewed using Safari on OSX and got the link, saw the flash animations and got the morse code.

I think it's intentional that the link only works once per browser, hence Firefox worked (new cookie)

5/08/2006 07:33:00 PM  
Blogger discogal said...

Ok, I just spent 15 min on oceanic-air.com

Can someone tell me if this was always there? Under the seating chart, I moved the words ethan rom to make "other man" and saw the video of walt, but then seats started lighting up with names, and when I clicked on them, they showed images...ie, a bit of a journal from charlie with a picture of a much younger claire and him...also when you click on shannon, a weird picture of sayid and a map appear, etc. Rose was a ring...jack was vodka, etc. Has this always done that?

5/08/2006 07:34:00 PM  
Blogger blake said...

ok i have never been able to do the whole joop game thing...every time i type "breaking strain" it says connection error and also with what name do you login with at the bottom of the screen?

5/08/2006 07:35:00 PM  
Blogger Saeid said...

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5/08/2006 07:35:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

In order to do the Joop thing or anything else, you must first do the newsletter thing.

5/08/2006 07:41:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

The login at the bottom isn't working yet.
On the Joop game: it works only after you do the newsletter sign up. That's where "breaking strain" is the password you have to have. After that Joop appears to work with anything.

5/08/2006 07:42:00 PM  
Blogger Pistolharris said...

Coming back to the Philadelphia Project mentioned before: it seems to be linked to something called the Montauk Project. Does the date '12th August' have any significance? Allegedly, two subjects of the Philadelphia Project travelled through time to the Montauk Project - from October 28th 1943 to August 12th 1983.
Well, here's the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project

See if you can spot any connections I haven't!

5/08/2006 07:45:00 PM  
Blogger Potentium said...

October 28th is the date of death of the philosopher John Locke.

Go figure.

5/08/2006 07:47:00 PM  
Blogger Zach said...

has anybody noticed the text in the top right of the mathematical forecasting thin yet - it has a bunch "whited out"

5/08/2006 07:49:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Yep, I was trying on Thursday to figure that out. I looked up maps of Africa now and also 10 years ago (since they started 10 years ago and you how things in Africa change)trying to find a country name and a capotol name that would fit what you can see. Never came up with anything, though. Maybe I just didn't look hard enough and with all the new clues, I kinda forgot about it. =o)

5/08/2006 07:52:00 PM  
Blogger discogal said...

Okay, so this has nothing to do with anything I'm sure - I don't think they've mentioned author Kipling on Lost have they? But, here is a hymn titled "breaking strain" and when you read it, in light of LOST and Hanso, it's interesting

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=KipBrea.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=1&division=div1

5/08/2006 07:53:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

The poem was included in Clue #5 on this blog. It IS freaky, in light of what's going on here...

5/08/2006 08:08:00 PM  
Blogger discogal said...

SAFE G -

Could it have anything at all to do with this - The Linear Time-Frequency Analysis? Note, the "code" (or whatever it is) says "% middlepad is now safe" "g=middlepad"

Doesn't this have to do with the types of things on lost..infinite sequences, etc?

See what I'm talking about here:
http://www2.mat.dtu.dk/people/P.Soendergaard/toolbox/doc/m/candual_code.html

5/08/2006 08:09:00 PM  
Blogger rhettoric said...

I agree with Saeid and Adedmat. At this point it's enough to know that the morse code translates to SAFE 9 or SAFE G. Speculation is fine (I mean, that's why we're doing this, right?), but we're going to need some more information before this clue is to make sense.

Personally, I find Persephone's overuse of the word safe to be the most curious aspect of her messages. At first I thought it was in reference to her fear of the sedition/hacking being intercepted by Hanso, but now it seems indicate the next proposed communication. In this context Safe 9 could be an obscure way to inform us that a new message will be delivered tomorrow. Otherwise, we'll just have to wait and see.

Hanso did say they would be producing more ads. My guess is that our next clues will be delivered in a commercial during this week's episode, but I'll still be checking THF.org tomorrow, just in case ;)

5/08/2006 08:27:00 PM  
Blogger bjlost said...

I noticed that too, Zach. There appears to be some text "whited-out" on the MFI page, as you mentioned, and also in the Alvar Hanso bio. I didn't notice this before I ran the Alvar Hanso "date link" clue, so maybe the blanked-out text is another clue.

5/08/2006 08:30:00 PM  
Blogger DuckHuntLogic said...

deannacat:

The country that is whited out is Zambia. I've read that on a couple of forums, there's a few references to it on the website. The capitol is Steevo.

Check out the Jay and Jack Wiki for a really good thread on all of that.

http://jayandjack.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_Lost_Experience

~Chip

5/08/2006 08:33:00 PM  
Blogger DuckHuntLogic said...

P.S. I am positive that the morse code is safe g. There is no way the g could be a 9. It doesn't sound even close, me and my friends listened to the entire thing about 20 times at a slowed down speed and trust me it's safe g.

~Chip

5/08/2006 08:35:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

I am wondering whether the voice that asks where is Alvar Hanso is Persephone...the voice sounds different to me than the woman who introduced the site (who is presumably Persephone?) I'd be curious to hear what others think on this.

Also, am still not seeing the green dot...is the Morse code the kind of clicking noise behind the music? (sorry to be so dense here).

5/08/2006 08:38:00 PM  
Blogger Saeid said...

According to Wikipedia (I don't know where they got this from though), Joop is "housed in Copenhagen, Denmark."

It seems like Alvar visited Joop and the Life Extension Program 3 times.

What is interesting is that Alvar visited Copenhagen a first time, for some reason went off the map, and somehow returns to Copenhagen at an earlier date.

So, I'll assume he time traveled at the place somewhere off the map.

But why? I think it has something to do with Joop. Why else would he get there, run off, and come at a previous time? Was it to save Joop's life? Somehow related to the experiment? Did something go wrong with Joop?

IDEAS? COMMENTS?

5/08/2006 08:42:00 PM  
Blogger DuckHuntLogic said...

I really don't think the lady on the front page is Persephone. I think that the person who reads "The hanso foundation breaking..." and the one who interupts Hanso's voicemail is Persephone. I can only assume that it's the same person who talks about Hanso in this new clue.

To get to the morse code you've just gotta be patient. After the map dissapers and the text is flashing around for a couple of cycles the infamous green dot will show up and the morse code will play on a loop till you click the page.

~Chip

God I'm hooked on this...

5/08/2006 08:42:00 PM  
Blogger stormypup said...

Someone help me out here. I could have sworn that one of the things on the blast door that got Locke's leg had a mark for 'Hanso's Grave'. Does anyone else remember this, or am I hallucinating?

5/08/2006 08:52:00 PM  
Blogger Manny said...

Hey, anyone notice the picture of Alvar Hanso from the THF site is the same as in the Dharma Initiative film? Not only that, but the date on the film is 1980, and the picture from "his last public appearance" from THF is dated 10-02. What can we draw from this?

5/08/2006 08:54:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

stormypup: On two of my blast door map pics that have been deciphered, both say "Known final resting place of MAGNUS Hanso/Black Rock."

A couple of eps back when Jack and Kate were going out to "the line" there was a definate shot of Jack with a large black rock right behind him. Also, of course, there is the Black Rock ship...

Be happy to send anyone who doesn't have a good blast door map an email...

5/08/2006 09:19:00 PM  
Blogger babe321 said...

Going back to what Zach said about widmoregroup.com.

Anyone have any thoughts?

5/08/2006 09:26:00 PM  
Blogger babe321 said...

Blast Door Map Photo listing
"Known final resting place of MAGNUS Hanso/Black Rock." Lower right hand corner

http://lostpedia.com/images/0/0c/BlastDoorMap.jpg

5/08/2006 09:37:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

from a whois forwidmoregroup.com:
Registrant:
GlobeContact.com
Douglas Brown
363 Glover Lane
Newmarket, ON L3Y 7G6
CA
Email: dghbrown@sympatico.ca
its very doubtful that this is anything but a fansite.

from a whois of widmore.com:
Registrant:
ABC, Inc.
77 West 66th Street
New York, New York 10023
United States

widmore.com is an in game site. this is the one to watch.

5/08/2006 09:44:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

New Lost Podcast is out. Not that Damen and Carlton will SAY anything about The Lost Experience...they said that they wouldn't...

Still. I REALLY DON'T want to continue packing.

5/08/2006 09:44:00 PM  
Blogger wheels74 said...

Has anyone looked at the WHOIS query of THF.org? Everything in the registration shows a Copenhagen address including a postal code of DK-1604. The interesting thing is the registrat email address is mexicanlunch@hotmail.com. The Admin email is info@thehansofoundation.org, so it must have a work email server attached.

So does it seem strange that the registration would be pointed to a hotmail acct.

5/08/2006 09:45:00 PM  
Blogger SinisterSupernova said...

"The oceanicairlines.com says 8:15, what does this mean? It's almost 8:15."

Just thought I would throw in a non-morse code comment and just say, even though everyone probably realizes is already, that the flight that crashed was Oceanic Flight 815. On www.oceanicairlines.com, the new image with the Error message and ? and all that is just a plain .gif, so it's not going to change based on whatever time zone a person is in. It could just mean that you have to wait until the next episode, entitled "?", until www.Oceanicairlines.com actually does anything useful, or it may just not even be in game. Oh well.

Just thought I would break the monotony of the morse code discussion.

5/08/2006 09:46:00 PM  
Blogger rhettoric said...

Saeid,

I think it might be a bit premmature to assume Hanso travelled back in time. All we know is that a hacker revealed what appeared to be an itinerary for Hanso's public appearances and one of these supposed chronological dates preceeded others.

Occam's razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occom%27s_razor) would dictate that we first explore the possibility that Persephone's dates are not in fact chronolicical, which certainly seems more plausable (at least to me) than time travel.

So far the evidence is simply a series of dates (which are hardly verifiable) that Hanso traveled North on October 28th and that there was an electromagnetic storm on the same date

Assuming the dates are correct and they are chroniclogical, after the trip he apparently arrived before he left. Seems shaky at best.

Is there a possibility that he travelled into the past? Absolutely. In fact, if we assume that Hanso has this ability it might explicate the somewhat obscure methods Hanso is using to extend Joop's (and possibly AH's) life. It also could plausible explain where AH is since he might be in transit to a future date.

Still, it's not the simplest explanation and the assumption doesn't get us much further than we were anyway.


Manny,

I think the implication is that the PR image on the Hanso executive bio pageis fraudulent. If it is actually Hanso, then the date that the photo is taken is certainly being called into question by persephone.

Like Chip, it looks like I'm hooked as well :D

Speaking of which...are you folks using specific message boards to discuss the different theories? It seems the comments section is becoming a tad cumbersome for discussions :D

5/08/2006 09:46:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

from the whois for oceanicairlines.com:
Domain name: oceanicairlines.com

Registrant Contact:
WhoisGuard
WhoisGuard Protected (43844214026f4217b2e330e53007e212.protect@whoisguard.com)
+1.6613102107
Fax: +1.6613102107
8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd
8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd
Westchester, CA 90045
US

since the registrants name and address is locked, there is no way to tell if this is in game or a fan site. since the in game sites have been generally openly registered to abc, i have my doubts as to whether this is in game.

5/08/2006 09:52:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

Not that it'll matter with the experience but...
C&D say that "?" will feature/focus around the computer.

Yeah, I know. But I'm listening. And Carlton's face is scaring me right now. A lot. It's just...creepy. And big.

Widmore's mentioned. Someone's asking a whole bunch of questions that are NOT going to be answered. The answer is "There will be MORE Widmore. Not less." It'll appear in the finale. And they tell us to check "Bad Twin."

There are 2 branches of the Widmore family tree. One British and one American. Carlton won't say which one produces the pregnancy tests.

And NEVER write them a letter or e-mail without going through SPELL CHECK!

5/08/2006 10:02:00 PM  
Blogger rhettoric said...

new clue!

on http://www.oceanicairlines.com/

a movie now plays where it's light gray fading to a black "consol" which prints

Error

Incorrect time

The screen goes blank, a question mark appears and a red reset button then appears


The name of the page is "Possibility". A new password for the THF.org site?

5/08/2006 10:05:00 PM  
Blogger Zach said...

yea - thats been there for um

a while

5/08/2006 10:10:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

rhettoric - see my earlier post with the whois information for oceanicairlines.com. i really think this is a fan site.

5/08/2006 10:10:00 PM  
Blogger DuckHuntLogic said...

Sorry rhettoric,

old clue. It's a cool aninimation but if you check the sauce all it is, is a .gif file. Nothing fancy, it's still kinda in debate if that site is in-game or not.

~Chip

5/08/2006 10:11:00 PM  
Blogger rhettoric said...

yeah, I suck....I just hadn't seen it before. Sorry.

5/08/2006 10:13:00 PM  
Blogger TT said...

need some help with oceanic-airlines.com or oceanic-air.com. How do I get to this seating chart???? I want to see the Walt video and stuff that was mentioned above.

5/08/2006 10:35:00 PM  
Blogger rhettoric said...

maybe I can redeem myself a bit

go to http://oceanic-airlines.com/seatingchart.htm

click on the "check in" button on the lower right after it's done loading

You should see ETHAN ROM with some boxes. If you spell out "OTHER MAN" it will show you the clip of walt being abucted.

5/08/2006 10:40:00 PM  
Blogger TT said...

also, while everyone is talking about oceanicarlines.com and getting red dots and gray videos, I have yet to see anything there but a blank screen adn the label "Possibility". I think this site is fake, personally. I am skeptical of ordering the Gary Troop book. Has anyone read "Bad Twin" and if so, is it any good as a book or is it a piece of crap meant for all of us brainwashed losties. Thanks guys, this game is freakin sweet.

5/08/2006 10:40:00 PM  
Blogger TT said...

thanks, rhettoric, how did you find that URL? I ran a site mapper and it was not listed. Same with the GPC site, how did the Michael site appear??? Are ABC/Disney giving us clues as members of this site!? I am amazed at some of the codes/links that have been broken or discovered. Very impressive work.

5/08/2006 10:42:00 PM  
Blogger TT said...

Alright, Im sorry to clog this blog....lol. But I was just messign around with that seating chart now that I foudn it. If you put the numbers in (everyone knows the numbers) before clicking 'Check In' you see a very cool video and the site switches to the official "Lost" ABC site. Domain remains the same. Signing off for tonight, good luck all.

5/08/2006 10:51:00 PM  
Blogger quest4soul said...

any thoughts on why the locations/dates are different.
London flashes in black then disapears
copenhagen stays on in black
paris does not flash and the static is still until it disapears
geneva stays on in black
roma flashes very fast in white
copenhagen flashes slower than roma in white
madrid flashes slow in white...

5/08/2006 11:10:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

todd- there are a *lot* of sites out there that people are putting up to look like theyre part of the game, and they arent. be careful where you get your clues from. theres a lot of tuff out there that has nothing to do with the game.

5/08/2006 11:12:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

there is a good sitelist here:
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/List_of_websites

note that many of the sites that people are trying to get clues from are confirmed fansites, and not in game.

5/08/2006 11:18:00 PM  
Blogger Patchoulimoon said...

about official Lost Experience sites...here is a link to a fuselage thread where VIP Gregg Nations said that the only official lost experience sites are hanso and gary troup site. He says there will be more ( I am guessing the widmore one that is registered to ABC???) but for now those first two are it!
Here is the link:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=47719

5/08/2006 11:25:00 PM  
Blogger The Bloody Wanker said...

Perhaps I'm just an idealistic newbie to ARGs... but shouldn't some of the fun of the game be in figuring out whether a site is 'in-game' or not based on how events and clues play out? Sure, some may be misled by the fansites that are 'out-of-game', so to speak... But hey, that can make the search more fun. Frustrating to say the least, but at least more intriguing. The straight-laced path of clues is cool and all, but leaves something to be desired. And honestly... why WOULDN'T the good people at ABC throw some curves at us? Is there ANY rule anywhere that says they have to tell us the complete truth about what is 'Official' and what is not?

Just my humble opinion... :)

5/08/2006 11:31:00 PM  
Blogger Phuzzy said...

Anyone who has issues seeing the updated content on the webpage should use the URL "http://thelostexperienceclues.blogspot.com."
The problem is that you have the page cached. Putting a period at the end of ".com" will force a bypass of cache and load a fresh page.

5/08/2006 11:35:00 PM  
Blogger Ryan said...

Heh, random note, looks like they cancelled Hugh McIntyre's phone number - not surprising since someone hacked it.

5/09/2006 12:15:00 AM  
Blogger Patchoulimoon said...

ya know bloody wanker...i agree with you inspite of my post. ;)

it is part of the fun. and I also agree that ABC would not be completely honest(to increase the flow of fun) as well....but GEE! there sure are a lot of sites out there!
:)

5/09/2006 12:35:00 AM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

yes...all these Oceanic Air sites are making things a bit confusing...This is just MHO but I tend to think that the www.oceanicairlines.com (no hyphen) site is a clue...unless someone other than the Game PTB has put it up here to confuse us even further :o!

5/09/2006 12:38:00 AM  
Blogger rhettoric said...

todd,

that site actually came out last year, it doesn't have anything to do with the game. Still, it's pretty fun.

As for bloody's comment, this is my first ARG as well. I think there will be quite a lot of speculation and confusion even if we KNOW what sites we can "trust" :D

5/09/2006 12:40:00 AM  
Blogger DuckHuntLogic said...

Personally I think it's kinda frustrating trying to figure out if a site is in game. But in reality your using the exact same kinda skills to determine status. Web checking googling names and companies, whether or not we like it determining what sites are in or out of game is the game. Or at least a part of it.

~Chip

P.S. Todd: You can download the first chapter of Bad Twin on iTunes for free if you wanna give it a try. I liked it, and I've heard (friend of a friend etc.) that the ghost writer was Stephen King.

5/09/2006 01:32:00 AM  
Blogger gensteven said...

Well It is safe G for sure. adn the page reseted for me 2 same thing witht he sound didnt notice anything different and maybe we will find out more 2marrow.

5/09/2006 01:41:00 AM  
Blogger Evil Tom Waits said...

The ghost writer for Bad Twin was James Patterson,

5/09/2006 01:59:00 AM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

Chip...I see that I missed your post somehow earlier in response to my question about the green dot and morse code, but finally did see it a couple of hours ago....I just hadn't waited long enough before....Thanks!

5/09/2006 02:29:00 AM  
Blogger Karl said...

Can people stop posting the stuff about oceanic-airlines.com, that site has not been updated since season 1 of lost, so it is not a game site.

Just so everyone knows over at the fuselage.com forum it has officially been confirmed that for now only THF and Gary Troup websites are official. The rest are fan made, or at the very least not part of the game yet. These were confirmed by a lost official.

5/09/2006 03:04:00 AM  
Blogger ambersumiko said...

Murpheys Law - Definitely a change.. there is a kind of screeching as well. I remember a few days ago where after a few minutes the music would kind of become this white noise and I would hardly notice it..

There is some deep/low/bassy noise in there too.. it's not a beat. Wow, we should really be paying attention to every little miniscule detail on this site!

5/09/2006 03:42:00 AM  
Blogger JOHN said...

can the G in SAFE G possibly stand for Geneva? Geneva is the only city that you do not have to click on to move on, and the only city that stays up with copenhagen when madrid comes up and Persephone starts her message... just a thought

5/09/2006 03:45:00 AM  
Blogger JuliusC said...

Liddy Wales picture is a question mark, and next Lost Episode is entitled "?" (which will probably be about the hatch in the middle of the island, as in hte map Locke saw).
Could it be another hint will be released in Linda's picture after next Lost episode?

5/09/2006 04:01:00 AM  
Blogger tekgirl said...

Just a thought, and probably completely unrelated but i've just been going back through the THF site and it occurred to me that the mathematical forecasting institute sounds very similiar to the general theme of the Foundation series of books by Isaac Asimov. They're all about the development of a mathematical equation for predicting the future and the power struggle to secure control of this....

5/09/2006 04:02:00 AM  
Blogger Lino said...

Dude, have you tryed using the word 'miracle' on the newsletter page? As the password? Persephone tells to call center in the tv ad section. Have you try that?

5/09/2006 05:56:00 AM  
Blogger Karl said...

Thats what it always says when you get the password wrong.

5/09/2006 06:02:00 AM  
Blogger Lino said...

Ohh, didnt know that. What about the Mathematical forecasting Iniciative?
There is something about a project in Copenhagen and a project that started in some country in Africa, but they dont tell the name of the country.

5/09/2006 06:30:00 AM  
Blogger Houses_Vicodin said...

Apparently I missed the Alvar Hanso link and now it is not working... It's so frustrating that they put things up for one day then d/c them. I know they want to suck us in, but c'mon!

5/09/2006 06:39:00 AM  
Blogger ClaireFun said...

If you mean the date link, it *is* still working (I've just gone to see it myself). Did you make sure you 'logged in' to the newsletter first? As I forgot to and it wasn't there, so logged in and then it was.

Hope this helps

5/09/2006 07:06:00 AM  
Blogger tekgirl said...

It's still working on my machine, it might just be that you need to clear your cache first. Have you tried that?

5/09/2006 07:07:00 AM  
Blogger Lino said...

I too cant click the date link below the picture. I've done the Newsletter thing, joops corner, but still there is no link below Alvars picture

5/09/2006 07:31:00 AM  
Blogger blue elephant said...

haha, that was so obvious... of course that picture wasn't taken in october 2003. how could we possibly miss that? :/

this is so good, I almost forgot that it's just a game. great website too!

5/09/2006 08:11:00 AM  
Blogger Travis said...

Maybe this is nothing, maybe it's something: safeg, phonetically.. "essay Fiji" or possibly "say Fiji."

5/09/2006 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger owl waxer said...

i can't get the link either and have logged on as well. Just out of curiousity, does it matter whether you have remembered your username that you used originally or not?

5/09/2006 12:40:00 PM  
Blogger natevoodoo said...

Monday Lad:
Thanks for the tip!
When I cleared out my cookies I was able to see the Alvar Hanso link using Safari.
The cookie was not listed under "thehansofoundation" so I just cleared all of them.
The newsletter animation played as if I'd been there before.
Anyone experience this on a windows machine?

You say that it's "intentional" but why would they do that intentionally?
No code or mystery there just frustration!

5/09/2006 12:52:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

its not a cookie. flash caches all the files. you have to find the folder where the .swf files are and get rid of them, and itll be like you never visited the site before.

5/09/2006 01:21:00 PM  
Blogger christy said...

I just got an update from the Hanso Foundation site RSS feed that says "Alvar Hanso profile updated".

I went to look at it and I can't see what is different, but it is still all funky since the last Persephone message. Did anyone make special note of what the bio actually read?

5/09/2006 01:36:00 PM  
Blogger tekgirl said...

By the way, has anyone taken another look at the comments for clue #24 on here?

Adman makes a point that seems to be far more relevant now about another possible decoding of Persephone's message:

WHL SIGN IN HANSO PICTURE

That one makes a lot more sense now, huh?

5/09/2006 01:51:00 PM  
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5/09/2006 02:16:00 PM  
Blogger jefferia4 said...

hey now some of the words of his bio are missing what were they it probably wont matter. just wondering and I forgot

5/09/2006 05:39:00 PM  
Blogger Lord Wallace said...

Mittelwerks bio page has a login box on the middle of the block of text??

5/09/2006 06:16:00 PM  

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