Clue #29 - Persephone (5) Mittelwerk, Sublymonal, Heir Apparent
Remember the Sprite commercial in the phone message? Some changes on the Hanso Foundation site (mainly, the clock changed to OB:EY and turned into a link) and also another commercial that aired during "the bird flu" movie & an episode of LOST, leads us clue seekers to a Sprite related AD that ties in to LOST through a link to the website: http://sublymonal.com/ .
Go to sublymonal.com. You have to click the monitors using the LOST numbers, 4 times, 8 times, 15 times, 16 times, 23 times, 42 times. It then unlocks a message: "code: Heir Apparent" with a link to thehansofoundation.org.
When you go back to thf.org site and click Thomas Mittelwerk's picture in the Executive Bios section. Type in "heir apparent" into the box. Here is what happens:
The screen "melts"
You see a door. A blonde woman stands with her back to us.
When you click, she turns around.
Cal Tech records appear with a shadow. Click the words above the red underline.
Persephone:
"Caltech has no record of this guy in their alumni database. He's never made a tuition payment. Does he even have a college degree? Why does he call himself a doctor? Of what. Who is this clown?"
Under the red stuff it says "Gary Troup knows too much"
Under the blue stuff it says "he must be silened (or silencd)" (not silenced)
EDIT:
The red & blue stuff has changed. What you see above is what was there originally. This is why we have to work together in case some of us miss stuff! The creators of the Lost Experience are doing this intentionally - they want us to foster community.
*Thanks to David, John, Troy, Josh, Cool Man, and others who contributed quickly.
160 Comments:
can't get the Mittelwerk box to work... argh!!
"21:12"
like, the Rush album?!
Yo Herbn!
There is definately something in the blue and red. You have to almost do that "bad mall 3D art" thing where you adjust your eyes to see beyond the screen. I can make out "he must be silenced" in the blue. The red is still fuzzy for me. I tried to put transparencies over the screen, but that didn't work.
Nice find though!
pJ
belly: thanks! but i tried both upper and lowercase, enter and return to no avail... haven't had any trouble with the site before this. may just be a fluke or maybe they updated the version of flash... have to try it when i get home from work.
I had to re login with breaking strain to get the new code to work.
sean: that totally did it! thanks...
mittlewerks is the only exec bio with a signature... i cant remember if that was there before
Can't get it to work. RSS Login box? Or is there another?
think the blonde woman is persephone?
sarah: the signature has always been there
houses: there is a box in the middle of Mittlewerk's bio
Yep, I definitely see "He must be silenced" and when I tried basic photoshop color balancing, I made out "Gary Troup" but I'm amazed at how you people bent PS to your wILL. What did you do to get those subtle whites to show up w/o the red crap? replace color?
I have been following along with everyone but have never posted....I went to the caltech website and looked in the archives for both charles mitchum and mittelwerk and did not find anything for either...just thought you would like to know!
all this talk of jack's father...do we know about his mother?
I too attempted to find some info on the Caltech website, but no luck.
pJ
First, I rock. Totally thought the Mittelwerk page was going to have some goings on...
Second, i can't believe I was watching "Scrubs" while this clue came out!
Third, someone from ABC has GOT to be monitoring and perhaps even feeding some tips.
Fourth, and since 3rd is possible... it's just as possible that they're sending misinformation.
and Fifth- I LOVE RSS FEEDS! Love love love love love love love love.
For those who didn't read, the RSS feed had an update early this afternoon.
I saw that, but I didn't post, didn't know if it was "old news" at this point..I wonder if the add in the newspapers was a ruse "sp" meant to throw us off...
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Something cool... the login box in Mittelwerk's bio fits into the sentence "...humbly serves as Alvar Hanso's right hand and...". Type in heir apparent, makes sense.
Which hand did the doctor in Orientation have missing? Also, the fact that Mittelwerk is Austrian prob. comes into play. AND I can't help but imagining Victor Garber as Alvar Hanso in that pic. I HAVE been watching too much Alias.
Still no luck with the box. Been waiting forever for the clock (ok, maybe five minutes). Can it be changed as some have said? How? I went to the obey page, but not from thf.org. Maybe that's why I have no box?
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So, yeah. I think I'm right about Mittlewerk having taken control of THF! He looks just the type to do an evil hostile takeover!
now watch me be completely wrong... =o(
princekofa, how do you change the clock????
houses: may sure you re login with breaking strain. Also, I may have missed, but did anyone else see BO:EE in the clock? I think I may have read it. Perhaps their clock will change to various links over time. I've been playing with my computer clock to try and find more stuff. 21:10 didn't work sadly. Fun.
houses: change your computer's clock.
changed my clock, no message. still no box on mittlewerk. ideas?
getting frustrated here. Tried 14 minutes past as well as 15. No message. I am assuming I must go through hanso to the lymon site in order to get the box to appear... I guess I give up for today.
Really? I knew the clue had come up, but was preping dinner so I left it sitting on the Mittlewek page. When I came back an hour later it still didn't say OBEY so I cheated a tiny bit more and got the url off our home page. Didn't read the rest because we wanted to have some fun. Figured it out (not hard; a monitor for each number) and when it brought me back into the site the password wouldn't work. It didn't pick up my cookie. I had to close the tab and reopen. Then it worked. Ah! I just got the static at 7:42 and it's at OBEY. Cool, man.
The names on the CalTec page are (spelling may be off...it's fuzzy):
A) Alan Frost, Adam Shuttleworth, Andreas Ackermann, Anne Allen.
B) Berenice Charles, Benjamin Paul, Barney Perdy.
C) Carl Bennet, Charles Mitchum (with an apparent line through it)
E) Edwin Austin, Elwyn Brooks.
I wonder if verizon "sp" is something you would call...I don't have a cell, can anyone text message the 2630 for something maybe?
If she is in a hospital gown, and they do medical stuff...she could be persephone, or rachel?
did it kickerb, still won't work. no box.
Good point, rhetoric. Or maybe she checked herself into the VIK Institute to get access to records. I've tried the 21:12 and 2630 in the Vik dialog box, but nothing thus far. Maybe it's 2630 at 21:12? Who knows?
When she first turned around I thought she'd hung herself!
I think the blonde could be Alex, LIBBY, or maybe some other female in this story (there aren't that many of them... OH! There's a Widmore brother who's wife died from murder or suicide! Ooooh...).
Verizon might just be helping carry the phone bill for all this HANSORG business.
And I don't think we should start questioning the sanity of Persephone. The wheelchair and X-Ray viewy thingy don't really point to mental ward. The WHEELCHAIR might be an idea... ANOTHER CONNECTION TO LOCKE! Missing organs... wheelchair.... Hmmmm?
Ah, at xx:42 clock reads BB:YY
I tried the glasses, but it's no better than you all are doing.
Is Charles Mitchum REALLY Mittelwork???
I am pretty low tech I guess. No color adjustment on my monitor. I actually had an old pair of red and blue 3D glasses laying around, from the TV Guide Medium thing, anyway the red lense shows "Gary Troup knows"...and the blue lense shows "he must be silenced" once you get to the Cal Tech page.
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Do you remember the episode where hurly was in the hospital, and in the very last scene libby was there with him watching him pose for a picture with no one? hmmmmmm..
persephone (if it is her..or libby)may not be mentally ill, but being held there for some reason...
fear me...I think for me, some of this comes from the creepiness of it, some from the Hurly episode..
but you are right, it is speculation as to her mental state..I think its someone else and not her.
Fear: In the new clue, she (or someone) is standing in a doorway. Off to the left is a wheelchair and she is wearing a hospital gown. It was just a theory someone else had.
Red and blue text again...with my 3D glasses it seems like in the blue area the last word is spelled s-i-l-e-n-c-d or s-i-l-e-n-e-d...typo??? Also I can make out the word too after Gary Troup as in:Gary Troup knows TOO _?_ (much).
here a crazy thought...maybe that is why the plane was crashed? maybe gary troup is henry gale? how did the book get on the plane?...just some crazy thoughts..
If you want the RSS feed, get a Google account, turn on your Google homepage, and add an RSS feed. I have them for all the online comics I play, they have a whole bunch of other costum content, but it lets you put RSS posts onto your google page. The messages up say (oldest message at the bottom):
- Alvar Hanso profile updated
- Important News
- Joop the Orangutan's 105th birthday
- thehansofoundation.org relaunches
- Joop the Orangutans 105th birthday
The first one (the one about Alvar's profile) is the only link that doesn't just lead to the Hanso homepage
chap 21 word 12 - of
chap 26 word 30 - gotten (or possibly the word "back", as there is a hypenated word before it.)
File under outta left field (maybe) Mittelwerk=Youngified Hanso. Clues?:Hanso hand picked him. No record at Caltech. Mades his mark in WWII/Mittelwerk V2 facility. Weird timestamp thing that looks kinda like time travel. And most scientific of all, squint at their pictures.
anonymous,
they can't get younger... they only maintain their current age through the life extending project
Blake: If you came into hanso from the sublymonal site it may not have picked up your cookie. It happened to me. Close that window an reopen the site so you'll have your cookie and try again.
BTW: sublymonal is a Sprite reference. Lymon. It was an ad during the original phone message.
tinman,
THF is trying to make the life expectancy go longer... and they are not making a "fountain of youth". Read what is written about LEP and THF.org
Also, saw the new preview for tomorrow night. Looks really intense. Looks like Locke and Eko WILL find another hatch. went by kinda fast, butI could have sworn I saw Mike pointing a rifle at Jack!
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all it does is doesn't think of the number 6... but when you push 2 it takes you to alvar hanso's mailbox.
BLAKE! Read above!
Weird! Did you try clearing your cache?
Michael. trying to save letters as I'm such a crappy typist!
i mentioned this before, but will post again here.
WARNING--SPOILER ALERT.
re: BAD TWIN. gary troup's editor is christine devries, which is an anagram for RECEIVED CLUES SIR.
i haven't found any significant clues in the book yet, but mittelwerk is definitely singled out as a shady character, and one that arthur widmore doesn't feel right about.
and if the book is to be believed, arthur widmore (the father) and his son (alexander widmore, aka zander) plan to leave the company. the other son, clifford, was murdered. that leaves arthur's 3rd wife, victoria widmore, but she is not mentioned as a board member.
zander definitely had no interest in being part of the company at all.
er.. well I have Win XP and it's under Tools/Clear Private Data. Make sure your cookies isn't checked but that cache is.
Cripes. I really wish I had bought that last week. Sigh.
btw, is anyone else feeling kind of irrtated by all of the tie-ins with companies like sprite, monster.com, verizon, etc. i am now getting junk e-mail from monster.com on my e-mail account, which i think is kind of crappy.
but oh well, it's not going to stop me from playing the game.
Oh Blake! I'm sorry I'm a dope! I gave you directions for Mozilla, not XP. Maybe I should give up and go to bed. If you have Explorer see if theres tools/internet options/general tab. Under Temp Internet files do Delete files. NOT COOKIES.
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Dude, i was one of the first to figure out the 'heir apparent' thing (see previous clue), then i went home from work and in less than two hours THE WHOLE EFFING THING EXPLODES. you guys are AWESOME. keep it up!
we're going to have to keep these ABC folks working.
Also, i live like a mile from cal-tech, so if, for some crazy reason, i have to go over there i can.
Gary Troup videos: Seen 3 out of 9. The other 6 haven't popped up yet.
Valenzetti; Not sure if it has been mentioned but www.insidetheexperience.com confirmed that the Valenzetti Foundation site is NOT A PART OF THE GAME. The site/blog is talking from an ARG P.O.V. so I'd say that confirms it. The site itself and the POV are cool and set up lots of possibilities. Right now, it seems a little behind on the Experience-blog news though.
Random note: The oceanicflight815.com site... if you press anywhere near the light it sends you to the Hanso site. I don't know if this was there before...if it was... Please ignore me.
To those who've just commented: Even if it's not on purpose, the Bible verse does resemble what Persephone has done thus far. Well, let's say that she's not exactly raiding the temple with this SUMMER-LONG EXPERIENCE...but still. I think Persephone or the disappearance of Alvar Hanso is definitely going to be related to the Widmores. As Damon Lindelof said in the last podcast, there will be more Widmore. And when they might have been plotting some of these points (last winter), Damen and CC mentioned that Widmore is defintely a name to look out for. Thus far it's only been a few drops (pregnancy test, billboard, and the "leaked" photos of the balloon's thingy)... but with the book and the experience and the frickin' newspaper ads!
I'm just realizing how frickin COOL this all is. Newspaper ads!?! The last time a newspaper ad made this much noise was when Ben Affleck took out an ad in Variety saying how great J.Lo was! And this is a fake mystery from a non-reality tv show! Wow. I'd like to kiss Damen Lindelof right now. Not Carlton though. His face is so big in that podcast pic. Scary. (And HOW LONG can I make this frickin post!?!)
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but the obey appears at
:04 :08 :15 :23 :42
Just thought I would mention it.
On second notice it does not change at :08 but does at the rest
Levelut... Eko isn't really a priest... he just dressed as one ... and now has found religion on the island.
icallwindow - Yes that would make him a technical priest but I can get ordained over the internet, but it doesn't mean I am going to change my ways and preach the word of god if I am a drug smuggling warlord type...know what I maen.
ABout Alvar - I think its trying to tell us that there isn't really a Alvar Hanso at all. As if that is the only picture, which it seems to be, (its in websit 2 - 3 times and in the Dharma video) it's always thesame picture... it could be a maniquin standing in an office that some papparazzi fag thinks he got Alvar Hanso on film sort of thing...
Any thoughts???
Manny - I wasn't taking it personally
DEDJEZTER=NONBELIEVER
Just pointing out that there are undertones but a guy like eko will keep being eko even after being (technically) only labeled as a priest. I do however, think that he has become more priest-like since his arrival on the island.
And yes...GEEEENIIIIUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSS
i tend to like the idea of there being no hanzo...
that would make some sense.
but WHO THE HECK is running the experiment still?
who did the drop with all the food?
Dharma seems to be alive and well.
THIS IS ALL TOO MUCH I NEED TO SLEEP.... until tomorrow!
by the way I think the blonde chick in the new clues video that turns to face the camera might be Mrs. DeGroot.
Look at the back shot from S2Ep3
p.s. I don't know haw to put in the live link
Off topic
Did anyone ever consider that maybe Micheal is a nutter... When ever Walt got really made at him he would yell "You are not my Dad" and we saw the image of walt on the milk carton in the hurley sequence... Maybe Micheal just thinks Walt is his son and kidnapped him...just an idea
Here's a simple screenshot of the woman in the hospital gown. You can see her face pretty clearly, so maybe she will appear again later in the expeience.
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7803/lost9vr.jpg
On the Alvar white out thing: I emailed it as a clue to the site, but haven't really seen anything come of it. My theory is that there is ANOTHER Hanso, hence the white out and addition of Alvar. Also, I am in the middle of the book and there are quite a few passages that I think are clues. Is there a forum attached somewhere here that we can discuss them?
In a related question: How do you use the rss feed? I have set up with google for the hanso site, but I am basically a novice as far as that is concerned. I had stumbled across this: http://thehansofoundation.org/feed/thehansofoundation.xml Is this related to the rss? Sorry to be dense.
dutchy83, I tried all evening with no luck on the mittelwerk thing. This morning I went to hanso and it worked. The same thing happened with one other clue. Seems that they don't work right away for me...
It seems like the LYMON in caps could be a clue, so found Lymon Reese a co-author of engineering e-book titled "Dynamics of Offshore Structures" which of course made me think of that Korea Off-Shore project.
Which hospital was Locke's mother admitted to again? The same as Hurley and Libby.. or a completely different one? I just can't remember..
asindrew - i noticed that this morning, too. maybe they removed it and the clues lat night were just a bonus for the early-comers? no idea, but it is interesting.
Maybe Libby is one of the people who aren't on as series regulars next year but guest stars... as Liddy. Reports have said that Libby was only a one-season thing (for the actress). Since she's been cast in another series, rare guest star is more likely than anything...well, death. That's more likely.
**SPOILERS**
Maybe the call sheet that's floated around stating that _____ gives _______ a ____ isn't that character.
Sorry if I spoiled anything even though I put _s everywhere.
I don't think the woman in the clue really looks like, and besides Libby had brown hair when she was at Santa Rosa, so I am not sure if that is her.
Also, the lighting and low ceilings looked pretty hatch-like to me. Not so much like and actual hospital. Maybe she is on the island somewhere. She looks a lot more like Karen DeGroot to me: http://www.losthatch.com/images%5Cscreen_captures%5CS2E03_DeGroots.jpg
Fearme: From Wikipedia: The existence of the DHARMA Initiative is established by the film that Jack and Locke find in the Swan Station. It was founded in 1970 by University of Michigan doctoral candidates Gerald and Karen de Groot and financed through the Hanso Foundation. It apparently comprises a group of "scientists and free thinkers" from around the world who were brought together at a "large-scale communal research compound" on the island to conduct research into various disciplines, including meteorology, psychology, parapsychology, zoology, and electromagnetism.
Since Persephone spoke to us on the Newsletter page like one of the "Others" and associated herself with Dharma, does this mean that we may be mistaken about whether the Others on the show are actually bad?
Kirsten A.,
My speculation, based on things suposedly written on the Lockdown Map and sub-text from this game, is that at some point THF subverted the Dharma Initiative. Maybe the DI found something too important to THF and they took over. Maybe there are two groups of "Others" -- Hanso's people and whoever's left from the DI. THF is keeping the DI going, possibly as a recruitment "front," in the outside world (off the Island). Persephone maybe an off-island DI member who's trying to figure out what's gone wrong.
Thanks, lostgrrl. I really don't know enough about RSS. What it is, how to use it...
I used your link for the lj... I just don't know what to do from there!
Most welcome!
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asindrew: Dharma was founded in 1970 at the University of Michigan. Just reviewed Orientation again. Someone wanted to know which hand Candle is missing. It's his left.
Also, on the Orientation film, Karen DeGroot has long blond hair like the girl in the clue. Actually, it's EXACTLY like the girl in the clue. The DeGroots owe Alvar a lot for financing the Initiative. Persephone may well be Karen and she's trying to find out what is happening with him. As far as the wheelchair and hospital gown go, she may have been injured in "the incident".
Deannacat, she DOES look like Karen DeGroot. Then, again, the woman piloting the boat in the last episode of Season One looked like Karen DeGroot.
It makes me wonder: the game is probably happening in "real world" time. The run in with the raft and the boat would have been at some point in the fall of 2004. If this is Karen maybe her in-game perspective is chronologically relative to the "future" of the events of the show.
Maybe i speculate too much...
Nashgirl: Check out Clue # 10 on the main page...unless you want to figure it out first and then check your answer. =o)
801: It's ALL about speculation at this point, isn't it? =oD But, darn, the resemblance is uncanny. There wasn't really anyone on the boat that looks much like Gerald DeGroot, at least I didn't think so. I suppose Zeke could have been him. I think I saw a screen cap side by side comparison of that one time, but I don't know where that was.
That makes me think. We know from Claire's treatment that the Others are quite adept at using mind altering drugs. Hurley, Libby and the guy Hurley got the numbers from were all at the same hospital, as was Locke's mother at one point. Maybe Libby and Liddy are the same person and she was there to be "controlled". Clair didn't remember what happened to her until Libby hynotized her. Maybe someone needs to hypnotize Libby (assuming she lives long enough). If Persephone is Karen DeGroot, Karen may have used the name Persephone to indicate that there are abductions happeneing.
Oops. I forgot to add in this. Maybe that hospital is a Hanso hospital and Liddy/Libby was head of one of the departments, found out what Mittlewerk is up to and got stuck in there.
eerie: Yeah I was trying to figure that out last Wed. I couldn't come up with anything that fit either. =o( I even looked at maps circa 1996 since things change in Africa and that's when the project started.
eerie: huh. Reads to me like the first and second word should be the same, the name of the country. Granted they don't really look alike, but to me it reads like they should be the same. They are talking about population growth both times, too. The third is, obviously, the capital.
we have all unwittingly joined a larger, more broader psycho-social experiment
Smoknjo, that's along the lines of something I've been musing on in regards to the "hoax sites debate." If you think about it an ARG is a "hoax agreed upon," to paraphrase the quote about history attributed to Napoleon.
Thought the same thing...checked eBay yesterday and didn't find anything. Might be there, though. I'm not perfect certainly..
But yeah, the "Speaker" of insidetheexperience seems like..once he catches up with the rest of us... he/she'll be a good part of the thing.
Anything important in the USA Today article about Lost?
I have to ask this... The Bad Twin.. the white out over "Alvar" on the Alvar Hanso bio page. Anyone else think he might have a twin? I still think there are several passages in the book that may prove significant. Any suggestions where to post them as I sort through them?
eerie: Glad someone else took a shot at it. Thought I was just stupid last week. They do look different, but I can't imagine why. I tied to find counties who's names had changed in the ensuing 10 years that would fit, but didn't have much luck there either. I was pretty frustrated by then, though, so I could have missed it...
House: Could you just sticke 'em in a Word doc and post all at once?
skinnyhips: If you came into to hanso site from the sublymonal site it doesn't pick up your cookie. Close and reopen in a new window. If it still doesn't work clear your cache.
momeees said...
HAnso Ad is in the NY Times today, page A16.
5/10/2006 07:48:14 AM
Anyone see this post in the comments of Clue #28? Seems that it was posted this morning. Is this a different newspaper ad, or the same one as yesterday?
Wheels74..
The dripping noise during the phone messages also sounded a lot like the dripping heard immediately after Michael shot Libby.. Weird that it's not there anymore..
RSS.. how to easily use them...
1) get a gmail account (ask around.. I think I have 97 invites left)
2) Change your homepage to http://www.google.ca/ig?hl=en or click on personalize page at the top of google's search page
3) sign in with your gmail account.
4) click add content
5) paste the link of the RSS feed you want to see. in our case, http://www.thehansofoundation.org/feed/thehansofoundation.xml
Voila.
Each time you'll open your browser, you'll see the list of items on the RSS. You can then spot if there's something new. For other RSS, the links will be a different color if you've already checked it, not for THF because they all point to the main site (with the occasional argument passed, #setion=bios )
You can do that with several sites. It's useful for news sites (where you raise the number of displayed feeds to a lot) and also for sites with infrequent updates.
Dozens of people are complaining that things don't work or that they have to visit with Persephone each time before they can do anything else. Most of the time this is caused because their browswer either does not accept cookies or they have a program that deletes cookies after each session. To successfully use thehansofoundation.org site, you must have Macrodedia Flash 8 Player installed and cookies enabled in your browser. The clues in this game are cumulative, and many will likely require that you have already done some things first (like the initial Newsletter sign-up) before you can do other things (like the Joop cam, Hanso date, or the clock thing).
so apart from Bernard does anyone else on the show allegedly work for Hanso?
where did THAT come from?! hadn't heard that...
Me neither. Is he Hanso's dentist?
Is anyone else just dumfounded by the amount of time it has taken for the PTB to link all this stuff together??? Someone mentioned earlier about the Ethan character in MI:III and that one of his aliases was Mr. Kelvin (aka Desmond's partner?). So when MI:III was filmed probably close to 2 years ago, they had to think to link that to Lost. And the time it took to write the Bad Twin - I mean, it's a 'fake' book, but somebody still had to take the time to write, edit, publish, etc., and then to tie it in to Lost, the Hanso website, etc. You can't help but realize that this is an extremely elaborate plan. And it is absolutely awesome!!!
regarding spoilers:
THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR IT, and THEY'RE PROBABLY ALL WRONG ANYWAY.
Also, if Bernard works for THF then it CAN be applicable to the game. So, where did that information come from?
And to RubyGreenEyes:
That all seems to be a bit too much, have you found a good discussion of the link somewhere else online? If so, where?
marc
that's interesting, but i'm not exactly clear on what you are saying, and if its important or just funny.
Bearsmom: That doesn't appear to be working yet.
bearsmom:
trying stuff as well
no luck
@ Richard
There are 2 connections to MI:III (JJ Abrams directed it, Lost too). 1) in "Special Thanks" in the credits, the last mention is The Hanso Foundation. 2) The Ethan connection...Other than the obvious to Ethan Rom in Lost, apparently he has an alias on MI:III and one is Mr. Kelvin. I saw this discussed on another site earlier today...can't remember where since I have looked at so many!
I don't think they're twins. I think they're the same person...
It's my new theory and I'm quite fond of it.
Is this old news? I've read all these threads and don't remember seeing this.
Has anyone looked at the Widmore website lately? http://www.widmoregroup.com/corporate.htm
Locke's father is on the board too.
I don't remember seeing him on there before.
That wasn't there before!
And the contact info has changed from "6" to an addy. Interesting.
Has anyone credited the Widmore website as being in game, and not a fansite? Because Anthony Cooper's picture looks simply like a screenshot from an episode, like he's in discussion with someone.
rick, it has always been out.
can anyone give me easy instructions for screenshots from flashplayer?
tekgirl - i don't have a black blob and i am in firefox. you mean in the upper left hand corner, right?
Thanks, drom. Amazing. I had no clue. Now if I could only understand the whole rss thing...
(PK?) Tekgirl,
I'm getting the same thing with the Hanso logo at the begining of the site. I'm using Safari on a Mac, so it's not a Firefox thing.
ruby:
thanks
i'll be sure to check it out...
that it interesting and it seems that things are getting deeper than we thought.
as for the technology:
remember libby telling Hurley that the washer/dryer on the island looked 'newer' than everything else?
i'm getting no black blobs on a mac firefox system???????
The date's wrong on purpose. I think the whole point is there's no current picture of Hanso because he's missing and they're covering it up using an old photo like it's a current one.
If this game really has nothing to do with the show, I want to know right now so I can let go of this obsession and go back to a normal life like I had before last week!
Karl asked why I think Libby and Liddy are the same person... it's one of my two new favorite theories.
Fave Theory # 1: We know from Claire's treatment that the Others are quite adept at using mind altering drugs. Hurley, Libby and the guy Hurley got the numbers from were all at the same hospital, as was Locke's mother at one point. Maybe Libby and Liddy are the same person and she was there to be "controlled". Maybe that hospital is a Hanso run hospital and Liddy/Libby was head of one of the Hanso departments, found out what Mittlewerk is up to and got stuck in there for behavior modification. Clair didn't remember what happened to her until Libby hynotized her. Maybe someone needs to hypnotize Libby (assuming she lives long enough).
Fave Theory # 2:
On the Orientation film, Karen DeGroot has long blond hair like the girl in the clue. Actually, it's EXACTLY like the girl in the clue. The DeGroots owe Alvar a lot for financing the Initiative in the first place. Persephone may well be Karen and she's trying to find out what is happening with him. As far as the wheelchair and hospital gown go, she may have been injured in "the incident" or she's undercover. If Persephone is Karen DeGroot, Karen may have used the name Persephone to indicate that there are abductions happeneing. Which leads me back to Libby being in the hospital. =o)
I didn't say Libby is Persephone. I said Karen DeGroot is Persephone.
Libby is Liddy Wales from the Hanso site Exec Bios page with the missing picture.
It's just a theory.
Widmore is a connected company to Hanso. Sun's pregnancy test had the Widmore logo and it was also on the side of Henry Gale's balloon. It has also shown up on a billboard in the background of a flashback.
it's almost impossible to NOT refer to stuff that has happened in season 2. the game and the show are linked, i see it as going from GAME ---> SHOW, not SHOW ----> GAME (if that makes sense).
if you're only on episode 2 or 3 of season 2, every comment thread on this site are spoilers. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT GOING IN. but, still, we who are current need to be nice and try to MARK OUR SPOILERS so people can choose whether or not they want to read or not.
make sense?
What I think,
Karen Degroot = Persaphone
Liddy = coincidence, but will soon come into play
spoilers = suck
Safe g = a message to Gerald DeGroot saying someone is safe
The phone number (212)555-0042 = in New York if you dial (212)555-**** and any four numbers you gat Information
Has anyone tried asking for Widmore Group, Labs, or Construction...just wondering
Has the loading symbol on the hanso site always flashed the Hatch numbers or not??
heart and synapse and bloody wanker,
the GAME ---sheds light on the--> SHOW
not SHOW ---sheding light on the---> GAME
so you don't have to know the stuff from the show to be in the game (i've read all the crap they put out),
my point was, there is TONS OF STUFF on these threads that could be considered SPOILERS:
****there are spoilers below***
-Tail Section existing at all
-there being a 'guy in the hatch'
-mr eko as a character and not as the 'other' who attacked jin
-claire's treatment by the 'others' and escape
-the french chick's daughter helping her
-that libby exists and was with hurley at the hospital (and the speculation that she's the woman not pictured on the site).
etc
etc
etc
if you had just started watching season two, all of that would be spoilers, just the conversation above...
AND
whatever the creators say about the lack of interaction between the SHOW and the GAME, there has still been a boatload of speculation in these threads which bridge the two. that is why i said that EVERY ONE OF THESE THREADS IS A SPOILER, because noone is marking anything.
make sense now synapse and bloody wanker?
ok i'm out of this dialogue until i can watch the show tomorrow night with my girlfriend, i'll be back friday (with bells on). because it JUST AIRED on the east coast and people are already putting stuff about it.
but thanks for marking the spoiler I3rian
Any new stuff from the RRS feed?? I'm so excited! Hopefully they're updatingggg...
You know what.. I think this website needs a small message board for while we wait for new clues.
ok. maybe this is just a glitch, but right now I am on the Hanso site...I clicked on executive bios and the page started to load...I am looking at the ying yang hanso logo which colors whirl around on while stuff is loading...underneath the loading logo is a flickering number that is showing the percentage that has loaded...except right now for me it is showing mostly 0% ...and every once in awhile it flashes to 4% or 8% ...then 16% or 15% and then 42% and 23%...those are the only numbers that it shows.....
the clock is showing I am in the 23rd hour....i am wondering if it just does this while in the hour of one of the numbers.....
any opinions? anyone else experiencing this?
Thanks
Sarah
Sarah - I asked the same thing but no one responded did it do it yesterday?...I can't remember
Also - does that mean we just the same clue twice... The Obey yesterday
and in the commercial tonight... if so,
I feel jipped
dedjezter,
i know, I am beginning to think I will just wait for show clues until that night so I can discover things on my own....i had thought each region would get a new clue each week.
I reloaded the hanso page and it seems to be working now...for the most part...but I did think it odd that the numbers were flashing.
I also noticed that the bleed through of the scientist guy on the joop blurb is gone now even after doing all the clues...like they cleaned up the page
dedjezter and sarah
I've heard that if you have a slower internet connection, then you will see the Hanso logo with the %'s of the numbers randomly flashing underneath it from time to time as it loads. I don't think it does anything, or means anything. But it is something that people with fast connections will never see.
dedjetzer
the joop bleedthrough is still working for me. hmmm.
I think they're just updating still..
That'd probably be a good idea Joosh hehe I doubt they'd have people working on the website now right?
those percentages have been there all allong, i've logged in at school on slow ass computers and its done that for a while.
just FYI
I know ABC has said that you don't have to watch to play. If that's really true, then it's really just stupid. And lame. Would you really play a game based on a show you don't watch?! Who would do that? I certainly haven't seen the commercials outside the Lost hour... I wouldn't play some Grey's Anatomy game. I don't watch it. Why would I care? No, there's nothing really wrong with GA; I just don't watch it and needed an example. If you want to see additional reasoning on this point, scroll to spoiler number 6.
Spoilers & Reasons my Libby theory still hold...
Reasons why I came up with the Libby/Liddy theory to begin with:
1. Yeah, a similar name. I doubt even the best memory altering drugs will allow for a complete change from the name you grew from childhood with. A minor change might take, however.
2. I believe the institution is Hanso run and that's why she and the guy that Hurley got the numbers from were in there.
3. She is the ONLY main character on the island w/o a back story. The glimpse we got of her last night w/Eko was pretty meaningless. However, I understand we may get a bit more out of her before the end of season.
4. Why does her being dead now negate the theory? That makes no sense. Maybe by end of game (fall) when UK and AUS are caught up in the show we may find that things begin to come together and start relating.
Also, In the new Orientation film I noticed several items of interest.
1: Dr. Candle gave a different name. It was Mark Wickham or something like that.
2: He still had his left hand.
3: He looked younger...
4: Yet it was Station 5 of 6, where the Swan is 3 of 6
5: And the copyright date was still 1980.
6: Another good glimpse of Karen. If she turns out to be Persephone, that would certainly quell any idea that the show and the game are completely separate. Were we given such a good look at her the day after the Persephone/Mittlewerk clue for nothing? Are they tring to throw us off? Or give people who haven't seen the Swan Orientation for a long time (or ever)a kick in the right direction?
I was goofing around the widmore site and clicked the link to RottenRalf. It is a site that sells geneologies. I emailed about the Valenzetti equation and received a reply that they deal in geneology only, not math books. It was signed "Namaste" RottenRalf. I then asked about geneology of the Widmores and was told that there is nothing that can be reprinted in the public domain. I responded with a request about the Hansos and have yet to receive a reply... Just an FYI if anyone is interested.
House: (I love that show, too, BTW!)Farther up in this blog someone mentions having tried that. Don't remember what they said though.
deanna, I thought I saw it somewhere, but with over 400 posts here it gets hard to keep up with what's here... that's why I was wondering if there is another message board set up for us who want to talk about things on this site. We keep posting here, though what we are discussing may or may not be relevant to this particular clue.
also... I am 2/3 of the way through the Bad Twin and I am compiling a list of "items of interest". Now that we know that Gary Troup is possibly important to the game, I thought we should look more closely at things. I want to share... but I don't know that this is the best place. I have an lj, though I never use it, mostly because I'm clueless... Maybe that would be the place... Now I wonder if I will ever be able to wade through these posts to find your response!
House rocks, btw... How can one man make a cane and sarcasm so damn attractive?
underdog, that's been discussed in a previous clue. but thanks for the heads up.
kristin: The password for the newsletter is "breaking strain". Heir Apparent is for a different puzzle
house: you could set up a free board somewhere like proboards...?
Does Thomas Middlewerk look like Willem Dafoe?
Did anyone think that maybe they didn't expect us to get this far this fast and we just ripped through the clues
Setting a new land speed record for solving the clues...
Who are these people anyway...
Who is running this site...
What have WE done with Alvar Hanso????
Hmmmmmmmm?
Waiting waiting waiting for something new and exciting to happen!!!! *pulls hair out* *bites fingernails*
If I set up a board somewhere for discussion, would you guys come to it? IT WOULD NOT BE A REPLACEMENT OR RIVAL FOR THIS SITE. Hopefuly it would operate in tandem with lostexperience. I have emailed administrators and hope to hear back... It would be a place where we can have organized posts by topic so we don't have to wade through 400+ here to catch up... I am a novice, so maybe someone else would be better suited, but I would love a board with a topic for each clue, bad twin, show clues, general info, etc. What do you think? Crap. Now I will have to wade through another 400 posts to see what you think...
Oh, and I have about 3 pages of Bad Twin info that I am collecting while reading... info that may or may not be pertinent, but the Gary Troup thing sure makes it sound like it...
The Mittelwerk "heir apparent" clue has changed. There is no longer a blue box. Now there are now two red boxes. Does anyone else have more information on this?
Looks like the admin. is working on a message board. Yay! This is the best ARG site around. For now, anyone interested in my BAd Twin thoughts can go to my lj. houses_vicodin. It is a work in progress, and just my opinons, but I'd like to hear what you think.
ALSO... Twin theory: Candle and Weckman appear to be twins. Could the whited out "hanso" on alvar's page be magnus? Could they be twins? Remember on the pics from the wall that dropped in the hatch? There was that notation of the known final resting place of Magnus Hanso/ Black Rock... Twins must figure in here somewhere....
To the person who asked about the sublymonal site and who is having questions about "heir apparent":
The www.sublymonal.com site was on the TV ad on the 5/10 show. I started the whole thing there.
I put "heir apparent" in Mittelwerk's box a million times and it did nothing until I did the "breaking strain" code in the newsletter and Joop's message page. THEN "heir apparent" worked in Mittelwerk's bio. I wonder if the clues are in some order?
You all are amazing, LOL! I can't keep up!
If you put in "Heir Apparent" first under the newsletter, then "Breaking Strain", you get something. I don't know if that's been mentioned but should take a look at it.
There are never to many posts...if you can't take the time to read what has been said...imho you should not bother to put up your own post.nothing drives me more insane than reading the same info three posts down from someone else who just said that.
Each comments section has fifty versions of the same useless information and it is nothing more than insane clutter...
Read before you comment please
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