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Clue #29 - Persephone (5) Mittelwerk, Sublymonal, Heir Apparent



Remember the Sprite commercial in the phone message? Some changes on the Hanso Foundation site (mainly, the clock changed to OB:EY and turned into a link) and also another commercial that aired during "the bird flu" movie & an episode of LOST, leads us clue seekers to a Sprite related AD that ties in to LOST through a link to the website: http://sublymonal.com/ .

Go to sublymonal.com. You have to click the monitors using the LOST numbers, 4 times, 8 times, 15 times, 16 times, 23 times, 42 times. It then unlocks a message: "code: Heir Apparent" with a link to thehansofoundation.org.

When you go back to thf.org site and click Thomas Mittelwerk's picture in the Executive Bios section. Type in "heir apparent" into the box. Here is what happens:

The screen "melts"
You see a door. A blonde woman stands with her back to us.
When you click, she turns around.

Cal Tech records appear with a shadow. Click the words above the red underline.

Persephone:
"Caltech has no record of this guy in their alumni database. He's never made a tuition payment. Does he even have a college degree? Why does he call himself a doctor? Of what. Who is this clown?"

Under the red stuff it says "Gary Troup knows too much"
Under the blue stuff it says
"he must be silened (or silencd)" (not silenced)

EDIT:
The red & blue stuff has changed. What you see above is what was there originally. This is why we have to work together in case some of us miss stuff! The creators of the Lost Experience are doing this intentionally - they want us to foster community.

*Thanks to David, John, Troy, Josh, Cool Man, and others who contributed quickly.

499 Comments:

Blogger Push_Tushkin said...

The creepy woman in the closet creeped me out so bad I was afraid to click on her!!

5/09/2006 06:27:00 PM  
Blogger girlonthewire said...

what clues on the site led you to the other website?

5/09/2006 06:31:00 PM  
Blogger hoopleton said...

Okay, am I right in thinking that the etched out words in the red and blue boxes of the Caltech form are "Gary Troup" and "he must be silenced"

5/09/2006 06:33:00 PM  
Blogger Arthur said...

There's a "hidden" link on the sublymonal site. By the way, you don't have to use the Lost numbers to unlock the message. You just have to click on the monitor that, instead of a cursor arrow has a hand. (At least on a Mac).

Good snooping, everyone. I can't believe the the decoding, figuring out, etc. etc.

5/09/2006 06:34:00 PM  
Blogger testsubject815 said...

how did you find the sublymonal.com site?

5/09/2006 06:38:00 PM  
Blogger princekofa said...

on the caltech form, the name Charles Mitchum is crossed off...or is it just me seeing things?

5/09/2006 06:40:00 PM  
Blogger Arthur said...

hoopleton: You're right on the "he must be silenced"... and might well be on the other, but I can't make out the words in the red x box

5/09/2006 06:42:00 PM  
Blogger Andrew said...

I have emailed it, but this might be of interest to others, this are decent screenshots of the woman in the doorway
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/MyBigToe/9ff99d2d.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/MyBigToe/l1.jpg

5/09/2006 06:43:00 PM  
Blogger hoopleton said...

No, it does seem that Charles Mitchum is crossed out.

Also, anyone else notice that the clock on the hanso site goes to 21:12 as soon as you enter "heir apparent" in the prompt? Seems vaguely familiar. A bible quote?

5/09/2006 06:43:00 PM  
Blogger MLanders said...

my girlfriend called me at work and beat me to this one, I'm never going to here the end of it

5/09/2006 06:43:00 PM  
Blogger Ray said...

can't get the Mittelwerk box to work... argh!!

5/09/2006 06:44:00 PM  
Blogger Ray said...

"21:12"

like, the Rush album?!

5/09/2006 06:46:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

Yes, I am curious to how you all were directed to the sublymonal.com site as well...Also, how did you know to click on the monitors using the LOST numbers ( Arthur, I'm going to try your way here in a minute.)

Also, how did you know it was connected to Sprite? And I didn't see the Hanso link on the page...

And finally, how did you all know to click on Mittlewerk's pic?

5/09/2006 06:46:00 PM  
Blogger matt said...

For those wondering how sublymonal was found:

Go to thehansofoundation.org, wait several minutes and there will be a static noise and the clock at the top will change to OB:EY. Click it. It takes you to sublymonal.

5/09/2006 06:46:00 PM  
Blogger Herbn said...

After playing with the color settings on my monitor, I am pretty sure that the red box says "Gary Troup knows", and the blue box says "he must be silenced"

5/09/2006 06:47:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

thanks Matt!

5/09/2006 06:48:00 PM  
Blogger sarahc99 said...

lostgrrl - change your clock to xx.41.57, when clock goes to 42 mins it will change to OB:EY, click on that.

obey is from sprite "obey your thirst"

5/09/2006 06:48:00 PM  
Blogger Andrew said...

the time does say 21:12, and the date says 4th May 06, probably just the time they created the animation.

5/09/2006 06:50:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

testsubject815: The sublymonal site was found because the time on the front page changed to OBEY and when you click it, you are lead to the sublymonal site...

hoopleton: well... for one thing it's a Rush album and song http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2112_%28song%29 but other than that, I cannot yet be certain.

ray: just type heir apparent in the box and press enter.. it should work

mlanders: sucks

5/09/2006 06:50:00 PM  
Blogger Adam said...

Herbn said..."After playing with the color settings on my monitor, I am pretty sure that the red box says "Gary Troup knows", and the blue box says "he must be silenced""

I agree ... here's a shot of that part of the screen, adjusted in Photoshop: http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c137/lexigeek/mittelwerk.jpg

5/09/2006 06:51:00 PM  
Blogger pJ said...

Yo Herbn!

There is definately something in the blue and red. You have to almost do that "bad mall 3D art" thing where you adjust your eyes to see beyond the screen. I can make out "he must be silenced" in the blue. The red is still fuzzy for me. I tried to put transparencies over the screen, but that didn't work.

Nice find though!

pJ

5/09/2006 06:51:00 PM  
Blogger girlonthewire said...

Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, [and] had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are [the names] of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

just saying. probably means nothing.

5/09/2006 06:53:00 PM  
Blogger Ray said...

belly: thanks! but i tried both upper and lowercase, enter and return to no avail... haven't had any trouble with the site before this. may just be a fluke or maybe they updated the version of flash... have to try it when i get home from work.

5/09/2006 06:53:00 PM  
Blogger Cool Man 0912 said...

@herbn : That would perfect match with Clue #28...

@ray : If you try to login a second time , it won't will work , i think. I can't login a second time. Maybe i have to delete some cookies or something.

5/09/2006 06:54:00 PM  
Blogger MLanders said...

thanks belly

5/09/2006 06:55:00 PM  
Blogger Sean said...

I had to re login with breaking strain to get the new code to work.

5/09/2006 06:57:00 PM  
Blogger sarahc99 said...

this is so unfair, its 00:56 in uk and i have to get up for work tomoz, look forward to all your findings in the morning

5/09/2006 06:58:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

Matt I've had the site going for awhile now but the clock never changes :( Do you remember how many minutes it was before it changed?

5/09/2006 06:59:00 PM  
Blogger Adam said...

Oops, my previous post didn't have a live link to the screen shot. It should have been: http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c137/lexigeek/mittelwerk.jpg

5/09/2006 07:01:00 PM  
Blogger jeph said...

lostgrrl. change it to 8:15, that's the first thing I thought and it clicked over to "OBEY" instantly and was there for 60 seconds.

5/09/2006 07:02:00 PM  
Blogger Push_Tushkin said...

It originally didn't work when I used the link on the "obey" page, but when I went to the site that I already had bookmarked it worked fine.

As a general comment, I'm really amazed at the wide diversity of these clues, plus how FAST everyone is deciphering them! Seriously, do some of you guys work for ABC or something? I'm really impressed.

5/09/2006 07:02:00 PM  
Blogger Ray said...

sean: that totally did it! thanks...

5/09/2006 07:03:00 PM  
Blogger sarah said...

mittlewerks is the only exec bio with a signature... i cant remember if that was there before

5/09/2006 07:05:00 PM  
Blogger Houses_Vicodin said...

Can't get it to work. RSS Login box? Or is there another?

5/09/2006 07:05:00 PM  
Blogger sarah said...

think the blonde woman is persephone?

5/09/2006 07:07:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

houses: no... its the mittelwerk box on the bios page.. there should be a login box at the end of the first paragraph of his mini-bio...

sarah: yeah... that was there before... the only ones with signatures are hanso and mittelwerk

5/09/2006 07:07:00 PM  
Blogger Ray said...

sarah: the signature has always been there

houses: there is a box in the middle of Mittlewerk's bio

5/09/2006 07:07:00 PM  
Blogger Earendil said...

Yep, I definitely see "He must be silenced" and when I tried basic photoshop color balancing, I made out "Gary Troup" but I'm amazed at how you people bent PS to your wILL. What did you do to get those subtle whites to show up w/o the red crap? replace color?

5/09/2006 07:07:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Yogini said...

I have been following along with everyone but have never posted....I went to the caltech website and looked in the archives for both charles mitchum and mittelwerk and did not find anything for either...just thought you would like to know!

5/09/2006 07:10:00 PM  
Blogger hoopleton said...

Here's a question: is there something after "Gary Troup knows" in the red x line. It looks like there might be, but I can't get it to show up after messing with color balances in photoshop.

5/09/2006 07:11:00 PM  
Blogger MLanders said...

FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T GET IT TO WORK

Firstly, with the number box be patient, it randomly seems to come up, try clicking on the different pages to get it moving.

The Mittlewerk text box appears in his bio text after you've been to the other site, if you can't get the Mittlewerk link to work try logging into the newsletter again, that fixed it for me.

Good Luck and have fun, remember its supposed to be fun right?

5/09/2006 07:11:00 PM  
Blogger icallwindow said...

So here's something new... has anyone noticed the numbers towards the bottom of the screen immediately after you type in the "heir apparent" password?

Here's a screenshot: http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/1465/numbers1jd.jpg

5/09/2006 07:11:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Yogini said...

all this talk of jack's father...do we know about his mother?

5/09/2006 07:12:00 PM  
Blogger pJ said...

I too attempted to find some info on the Caltech website, but no luck.

pJ

5/09/2006 07:13:00 PM  
Blogger Adam said...

hoopleton, I'm fairly sure it says "too much," although it's a little hard to make out. See my link above for a photoshop-adjusted image.

earendil, I used a combination of Selective Color, Levels and Hue/Saturation

5/09/2006 07:13:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

First, I rock. Totally thought the Mittelwerk page was going to have some goings on...

Second, i can't believe I was watching "Scrubs" while this clue came out!

Third, someone from ABC has GOT to be monitoring and perhaps even feeding some tips.

Fourth, and since 3rd is possible... it's just as possible that they're sending misinformation.

and Fifth- I LOVE RSS FEEDS! Love love love love love love love love.

For those who didn't read, the RSS feed had an update early this afternoon.

5/09/2006 07:14:00 PM  
Blogger hoopleton said...

thanks adam! Okay...so do we have to go through the book now?

5/09/2006 07:17:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Yogini said...

I saw that, but I didn't post, didn't know if it was "old news" at this point..I wonder if the add in the newspapers was a ruse "sp" meant to throw us off...

5/09/2006 07:18:00 PM  
Blogger MLanders said...

why would ABC have to be monitoring? what has been difficult so far? I really doubt they are worried that all the people online with nothing better to do will have a problem with anything on here

5/09/2006 07:20:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

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5/09/2006 07:20:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

k.barrick, what text are you using for your RSS feed? Lost Experience?

5/09/2006 07:24:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

Something cool... the login box in Mittelwerk's bio fits into the sentence "...humbly serves as Alvar Hanso's right hand and...". Type in heir apparent, makes sense.

Which hand did the doctor in Orientation have missing? Also, the fact that Mittelwerk is Austrian prob. comes into play. AND I can't help but imagining Victor Garber as Alvar Hanso in that pic. I HAVE been watching too much Alias.

5/09/2006 07:25:00 PM  
Blogger Houses_Vicodin said...

Still no luck with the box. Been waiting forever for the clock (ok, maybe five minutes). Can it be changed as some have said? How? I went to the obey page, but not from thf.org. Maybe that's why I have no box?

5/09/2006 07:25:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

mlanders: i thought they were monitoring when they gave us the second persephone numerical message "8, not 1 and 6"... i thought was a correction on our attempt to figure out the first code...



did anyone here pack their bags for an ego trip... heheh... jk jk

5/09/2006 07:26:00 PM  
Blogger princekofa said...

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5/09/2006 07:27:00 PM  
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5/09/2006 07:28:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

So, yeah. I think I'm right about Mittlewerk having taken control of THF! He looks just the type to do an evil hostile takeover!

now watch me be completely wrong... =o(

5/09/2006 07:28:00 PM  
Blogger icallwindow said...

Ok.. so does anyone else see the number 2630 after using the Mittelwerk password?

screenshot: http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/1465/numbers1jd.jpg

5/09/2006 07:29:00 PM  
Blogger princekofa said...

OBEY appears every xx:15 of each hour, so if you change your clock to the 15th minute it will automatically change it on the Hanso site.

5/09/2006 07:30:00 PM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Has anyone noticed that only Mittelwerks exec. bio has his signature. No one else has that. Not a big deal, just a curious fact.

-D

5/09/2006 07:30:00 PM  
Blogger Neil Frogurt said...

I have a theory a brewin’ but it’s got a potential spoiler in it so don’t read this if you don’t want to know what could possibly be coming up on the show.

So the password is “heir apparent”. Could that mean anything? Well “Bas Twin is all about the search for the rightful heir to the Widmore Corporation, Alexander Widmore. In the book if Alexander takes over his family business Mittelwerk will loose his position on the Widmore Corp. Board of directors. Now here’s where the rumor mill starts grinding (last chance to stop reading) supposedly in the season finale we’ll learn the true identity of Henry Gale, he is in fact Alexander Widmore.

So here’s my theory. The Hanso Foundation is funded by the Widmore Corp. (that would explain why they have labs in the NYC Widmore Building). Alvar Hanso is in fact himself a pretty nice guy but his foundation becomes over run with shady characters like Mittelwerk who subvert the foundation towards their own sinister agenda (Dharma type stuff maybe). That’s why Mittelwerk takes a place on the Widmore Board of Directors so he knows more about the money going into the foundation than Alvar. Still Alvar gets suspicious and that’s why he “disappears”. Eventually it looks like Alexander is going to come into his inheritance so Mittelwerk has him “disappear” as well.

Anyway, that’s my rough guess. Not much, but a bigger picture seems to be coming into focus. Fr now consider this wild speculation, but hey half the fun of this is wild speculation right?

5/09/2006 07:31:00 PM  
Blogger Houses_Vicodin said...

princekofa, how do you change the clock????

5/09/2006 07:31:00 PM  
Blogger Sean said...

houses: may sure you re login with breaking strain. Also, I may have missed, but did anyone else see BO:EE in the clock? I think I may have read it. Perhaps their clock will change to various links over time. I've been playing with my computer clock to try and find more stuff. 21:10 didn't work sadly. Fun.

5/09/2006 07:33:00 PM  
Blogger Herbn said...

I played with the RGB color settings on my monitor to read the red box, I thought it might have said "Gary Troup knows too much" but it's really hard to read the last two words, and after 15 minutes of squinting at the funky colors I was dealing with I really couldn't tell for sure, but it definatly says "Gary Troup knows"...

P.S. how do you get the RSS feed to work, I might be able to manipulate colors, but I can't figure out the RSS... must have spent too much time in the sun

5/09/2006 07:33:00 PM  
Blogger MLanders said...

bellyofdesire: People find my miserable attitude to be quite refreshing

I hate stupid people and homers

5/09/2006 07:33:00 PM  
Blogger princekofa said...

houses_vicoden, change the clock on your computer, the site displays whatever time it is in real life. so if you change the time, it reads that time. so right now its 5:31pm here. if i go on my setting and change it to 5:15, it while i have the Hanso site open, it will change the hanso clock...i hope i explained it well enough

5/09/2006 07:33:00 PM  
Blogger Sean said...

houses: change your computer's clock.

5/09/2006 07:34:00 PM  
Blogger bassman said...

This is my first post, so I hope I'm not too elementary her. You don't have to wait for the clock or go to the sprite site for the Mittlewerk bio box to work. I did it just by reading your clue, going to Hanso, and typing "heir apparent". Unless you really want to go to the sprite site and do it the non-cheater way (my way being the cheater way. BTW, you guys are way too tech for me, I'm watchin' from the sidelines!

5/09/2006 07:35:00 PM  
Blogger Neil Frogurt said...

One more thing... It seems like none of the product placements on the phone line were random. Monster.com lead to a clue, Sprite lead to a clue. Has anyone tried to find a clue realted to Verizon? I've been looking for a few days now but can't find a thing.

5/09/2006 07:35:00 PM  
Blogger Houses_Vicodin said...

changed my clock, no message. still no box on mittlewerk. ideas?

5/09/2006 07:38:00 PM  
Blogger MLanders said...

what clue is on monster.com?


if it still doesn't work, try doing all the other clues again first

5/09/2006 07:39:00 PM  
Blogger rhettoric said...

Interesting clue.

So I'm assuming most people saw the wheelchair in the foreground and the fact that the woman was wearing a hospital gown. If this is, in fact, persephone this calls into question her physical (or possibly mental) well-being.

Why exactly is she so hell-bent on discrediting Hanso? I don't necessarily think she's wrong, but I'm curious about her motives. If her mental health is, in fact questionable, how much of the information that she dlivers to us can we consider true?

5/09/2006 07:40:00 PM  
Blogger hoopleton said...

icallwindow: you're right, there is a number in the frame....2630. Anyone have a clue if this is a, ah, well, a clue?

5/09/2006 07:42:00 PM  
Blogger Adman said...

Also, if you use Firefox, try using IE instead. Things don't seem to work all the time with Firefox...

I just changed my clock to 14 minutes past the hour... when it turned to 15, I got the OB:EY message...

Adman

5/09/2006 07:42:00 PM  
Blogger Jenny said...

hey, I don't know if this is going to help or anything, but whatever is obscuring the "Gary Troup knows" stuff kind of reminds me of those old board games like Outburst where you would have to stick the card in the holder with the red screen to read the font...anyone try using a red filter or anything on that?

Just my two cents.

5/09/2006 07:43:00 PM  
Blogger Houses_Vicodin said...

getting frustrated here. Tried 14 minutes past as well as 15. No message. I am assuming I must go through hanso to the lymon site in order to get the box to appear... I guess I give up for today.

5/09/2006 07:43:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Really? I knew the clue had come up, but was preping dinner so I left it sitting on the Mittlewek page. When I came back an hour later it still didn't say OBEY so I cheated a tiny bit more and got the url off our home page. Didn't read the rest because we wanted to have some fun. Figured it out (not hard; a monitor for each number) and when it brought me back into the site the password wouldn't work. It didn't pick up my cookie. I had to close the tab and reopen. Then it worked. Ah! I just got the static at 7:42 and it's at OBEY. Cool, man.

5/09/2006 07:44:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

The names on the CalTec page are (spelling may be off...it's fuzzy):

A) Alan Frost, Adam Shuttleworth, Andreas Ackermann, Anne Allen.
B) Berenice Charles, Benjamin Paul, Barney Perdy.
C) Carl Bennet, Charles Mitchum (with an apparent line through it)
E) Edwin Austin, Elwyn Brooks.

5/09/2006 07:44:00 PM  
Blogger kickerkb said...

Just go straight to sublymonal.com and do the boxes from there, and then there will be a link back to hanso.com where you can type in heir apparentto get to the stuff

5/09/2006 07:46:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Yogini said...

I wonder if verizon "sp" is something you would call...I don't have a cell, can anyone text message the 2630 for something maybe?

If she is in a hospital gown, and they do medical stuff...she could be persephone, or rachel?

5/09/2006 07:46:00 PM  
Blogger hoopleton said...

kinda odd that the names on the Caltech form are alphabetized by the first names.

5/09/2006 07:48:00 PM  
Blogger Zach said...

hey - i disaseembled the flash on the http://sublymonal.com/ site and found something wierd

links to games from microsoft

http://sublymonal.com/xml/teaser.xml

i have no clue where or how this is used or what it has to do with anything

and what did sprite have to do with this whole thing?

5/09/2006 07:49:00 PM  
Blogger Houses_Vicodin said...

did it kickerb, still won't work. no box.

5/09/2006 07:49:00 PM  
Blogger icallwindow said...

Oh, wait, crap... Remember the original 877-HANSORG number? The first thing the message says is to "enter an extention of you know it." Maybe it's 2630?

5/09/2006 07:50:00 PM  
Blogger hoopleton said...

tried texting to 2630, not a valid number.

5/09/2006 07:50:00 PM  
Blogger wreti said...

got OBEY at xx:15 and xx:42. 3rd and 6th numbers...

5/09/2006 07:50:00 PM  
Blogger Gary Troupe said...

Do you guys think 3D glasses would work at deciphering the text on the document? I'd try, but I don't have a pair.

5/09/2006 07:53:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Good point, rhetoric. Or maybe she checked herself into the VIK Institute to get access to records. I've tried the 21:12 and 2630 in the Vik dialog box, but nothing thus far. Maybe it's 2630 at 21:12? Who knows?

When she first turned around I thought she'd hung herself!

5/09/2006 07:53:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

I think the blonde could be Alex, LIBBY, or maybe some other female in this story (there aren't that many of them... OH! There's a Widmore brother who's wife died from murder or suicide! Ooooh...).

Verizon might just be helping carry the phone bill for all this HANSORG business.

And I don't think we should start questioning the sanity of Persephone. The wheelchair and X-Ray viewy thingy don't really point to mental ward. The WHEELCHAIR might be an idea... ANOTHER CONNECTION TO LOCKE! Missing organs... wheelchair.... Hmmmm?

5/09/2006 07:53:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

k.barrick, I got the OB:EY thing by changing my clock (though it probably would have come up anyway as it was about 5:15 here)...

On the feed, I am new to the RSS thing...I assume you are notified each time the Hanso site is updated? I clicked search after entering in the info you posted but I just got a bunch of code...how do I get the feed started?

5/09/2006 07:53:00 PM  
Blogger hoopleton said...

Tried calling hansorg, 2630 does not seem to work as an extension

5/09/2006 07:54:00 PM  
Blogger Sean said...

Ah, at xx:42 clock reads BB:YY

5/09/2006 07:54:00 PM  
Blogger Sean said...

I tried the glasses, but it's no better than you all are doing.

5/09/2006 07:55:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

Is Charles Mitchum REALLY Mittelwork???

5/09/2006 07:55:00 PM  
Blogger Ange said...

I am pretty low tech I guess. No color adjustment on my monitor. I actually had an old pair of red and blue 3D glasses laying around, from the TV Guide Medium thing, anyway the red lense shows "Gary Troup knows"...and the blue lense shows "he must be silenced" once you get to the Cal Tech page.

5/09/2006 07:55:00 PM  
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5/09/2006 07:57:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Yogini said...

Do you remember the episode where hurly was in the hospital, and in the very last scene libby was there with him watching him pose for a picture with no one? hmmmmmm..

persephone (if it is her..or libby)may not be mentally ill, but being held there for some reason...

5/09/2006 07:58:00 PM  
Blogger FeaR-ME said...

I couldn't understand why you're quentionating the mental health of persephone... X-Ray, wheelchair... what's this? Where did you see this things about her? Can someone please explain me?

5/09/2006 07:58:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Yogini said...

fear me...I think for me, some of this comes from the creepiness of it, some from the Hurly episode..

but you are right, it is speculation as to her mental state..I think its someone else and not her.

5/09/2006 08:03:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Fear: In the new clue, she (or someone) is standing in a doorway. Off to the left is a wheelchair and she is wearing a hospital gown. It was just a theory someone else had.

5/09/2006 08:04:00 PM  
Blogger hoopleton said...

OR dean....it could mean that Persephone is a Hanso test subject.

5/09/2006 08:06:00 PM  
Blogger Ange said...

Red and blue text again...with my 3D glasses it seems like in the blue area the last word is spelled s-i-l-e-n-c-d or s-i-l-e-n-e-d...typo??? Also I can make out the word too after Gary Troup as in:Gary Troup knows TOO _?_ (much).

5/09/2006 08:07:00 PM  
Blogger hoopleton said...

ange....yeah...i'm bigginning to think that there is more to those words than we think. I assume it is common knowledge that Gary Troup is an anagram for pergatory, well, maybe the exact text behind the colored xs needs to be unscrambled.

Bottom line...all we know 100% is that the text reads "Gary Troup" and "he must be silenced" (spelling changes possible)

5/09/2006 08:12:00 PM  
Blogger natevoodoo said...

Neil Frogurt:
what was the monster.com clue?
I tried searching for hanso on their site and found nothing.
I noticed Geronimo-Jackson.com just went down and i'm thinking they're probably adding new content for wednesday.

Neil Frogurt said...
One more thing... It seems like none of the product placements on the phone line were random. Monster.com lead to a clue, Sprite lead to a clue. Has anyone tried to find a clue realted to Verizon? I've been looking for a few days now but can't find a thing.

5/09/2006 08:12:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Yogini said...

here a crazy thought...maybe that is why the plane was crashed? maybe gary troup is henry gale? how did the book get on the plane?...just some crazy thoughts..

5/09/2006 08:15:00 PM  
Blogger rhettoric said...

fear-me

If you go to the clue this comment is in relation to you'll see a woman with her back turned through a doorway. In the foreground is an unused wheelchair. The woman is wearing a hospital gown. Asshe slowly turns around the "camera" quickly zooms in and tkaes you to the academic records.

It seems clear that these images are related to a hospital of somewhay and since, thus far, the only female character we've been introduced to is persephone the possibility that the woman in the hospital gown is Persephone is a strong one.

I didn't say that she was mentally ill, only that this woman is in a hospital, and it stands to reason it's for some physical or mental difficulty.

All of Persephone's communications are marked by discordant sounds, scrawled/disorderly writing and voiceovers that have strong tones of paranoia. None of this conclusively proves she's mentally ill, but it does present the possibility that our personal narrator in this game might not be entirely trustworthy.

Of course, one might say "the question isn't whether you're paranoid, but whether you're paranoid enough!". In other words, even if Persephone is paranoid ormentally ill, that doesn't mean she isn't right about the THF's nefarious dealings.

It's also worth noting that one of Hanso's six active projects is the Mental Health Appeal. Mental Health is clearly on the table for this game.

I believe someone else mentioned the possibility that the woman we see here is persephone and that she is a plant inside the VIK institute.

I'm certainly not saying that any of the above is certainly the case. At this point all we can do is speculate about ways to string the clues together and I thinkthis possibility is one worth considering.

Namaste :D

5/09/2006 08:19:00 PM  
Blogger wreti said...

21:12 = 9:12pm. possibly the next clue will be during the next episode?

5/09/2006 08:21:00 PM  
Blogger FeaR-ME said...

thnx man, namaste :P

5/09/2006 08:26:00 PM  
Blogger wreti said...

could the woman in the hospital gown be Karen DeGroot?

5/09/2006 08:27:00 PM  
Blogger mike said...

It says that Alvar Hanso made his mark during WWII selling munitions to underground resistance. But there is a Nazi concentration camp called Mittelbau-Dora with a complex called Mittelwerk, which made V2 rockets. Maybe this is really where Hanso met his right hand man.

5/09/2006 08:28:00 PM  
Blogger xtremdelt8 said...

I came home from buying Bad Twin, sat down, turned on the TV and saw the same commercial for Hanso Found that was played during Lost last Wed. Only this time it said to visit the sublymonal website.
The commercial was on just before a Lost preview at 7:42 CST.

Looks like ABC may be making it easy for some of us.

Notic at the top of the sublymonal.com site..it's spelled "subLYMONal"

LYMON?

5/09/2006 08:30:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

rhettoric I really appreciate your articulate, thoughtful posts...I definitely think mental health plays a huge part in the game, considering Hurely, Libby, and the VIK Institute ;)

k.barrick...am still trying to figure out how to do the RSS thing on yahoo...any ideas? Here's the link I'm at for creating your own RSS:

http://news.yahoo.com/rss

I would love to know as soon as the Hanso site updates so I can look for new clues...I feel like I'm always playing catchup here, benefiting from others' quick observations and decoding ;(

5/09/2006 08:32:00 PM  
Blogger The Bloody Wanker said...

I'm playing around with the 'Gary Troup knows too much' phrase... and found an interesting anagram... PURGATORY SHOCK MOURN TWO. May mean nothing, but thought I'd throw it out there.

5/09/2006 08:35:00 PM  
Blogger srsizzy said...

If you want the RSS feed, get a Google account, turn on your Google homepage, and add an RSS feed. I have them for all the online comics I play, they have a whole bunch of other costum content, but it lets you put RSS posts onto your google page. The messages up say (oldest message at the bottom):

- Alvar Hanso profile updated
- Important News
- Joop the Orangutan's 105th birthday
- thehansofoundation.org relaunches
- Joop the Orangutans 105th birthday

The first one (the one about Alvar's profile) is the only link that doesn't just lead to the Hanso homepage

5/09/2006 08:36:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

it might not mean anything, but if you translate mittelwerk to english it means, literally,central work.

5/09/2006 08:37:00 PM  
Blogger babe321 said...

Have you guys seen this lost diary page before? Probably old news, but I'm curious to know who's diary it is. He/She talks about how upset they are because Jack & Locke have their brother locked in the hatch???

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary/107396.html

Bottom of page you can click previous pages...

5/09/2006 08:37:00 PM  
Blogger JoshGutt said...

This has nothing to do with the latest clue, but, and I haven't seen it mentioned here yet, but I just found this site..
The building in the orientation film and I think the picture of Alvar Hanso is the city hall bldg. in "Narvik". If you google the name Narvik and click on the "city hall" link you'll see a real picture of the place. Interestingly enough, the fountain in the front of the picture happens to be an Octagon. Don't know if this means anything or helps, but....

5/09/2006 08:38:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

thats translated from german, by the way.

5/09/2006 08:38:00 PM  
Blogger natevoodoo said...

Bad Twin:
Something occured to me about the numbers we've been getting: 21:12 and 26:30
Someone said bible verses too.
Okay so look as bad twin as our new bible or manual to this experience.
So go to chapter 21, page 12 of that chapter.
Go to Chapter 26, page 30 of that chapter.
I bought the audio book so I'm SOL, but maybe worth checking out for others. But then again I doubt that that book has a chapter with 30 pages.

5/09/2006 08:39:00 PM  
Blogger babe321 said...

Here are the other ones...


http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary/105434.html
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary/105866.html

5/09/2006 08:39:00 PM  
Blogger natevoodoo said...

okay scratch page, try word 12 in chapter 21
or word 30 in chapter 26

anybody?

5/09/2006 08:45:00 PM  
Blogger The Bloody Wanker said...

Natevoodoo... I just bought the book tonight actually. I tried page:line and also chapter:paragraph. Neither seemed relevent whatsoever... the only thing even remotely near anything was a character described to look like a chimp. Chimp, orangutan... who knows. :P

5/09/2006 08:46:00 PM  
Blogger The Bloody Wanker said...

Eh... word 12 is 'of'. If good-bye is counted as one word, 'gotten' is the 30th. If good-bye is two words, the word is 'and'. Doesn't seem to work. :(

5/09/2006 08:49:00 PM  
Blogger xtremdelt8 said...

Natevoodoo:

Good thinking, however, chapter 21 only has 6 pages. I looked at the 12th line...nothing stood out.

If you haven't gotten the book yet...do so. 2 interesting letters (to and from Gary Troup) included and a very interesting dedication.

5/09/2006 08:51:00 PM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

chap 21 word 12 - of

chap 26 word 30 - gotten (or possibly the word "back", as there is a hypenated word before it.)

5/09/2006 08:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

File under outta left field (maybe) Mittelwerk=Youngified Hanso. Clues?:Hanso hand picked him. No record at Caltech. Mades his mark in WWII/Mittelwerk V2 facility. Weird timestamp thing that looks kinda like time travel. And most scientific of all, squint at their pictures.

5/09/2006 08:53:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

srsizzy, thanks for the info...I added an alert in Google for thehansofoundation...if this is not what you are referring to, please let me know.

5/09/2006 08:53:00 PM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

anonymous,

they can't get younger... they only maintain their current age through the life extending project

5/09/2006 08:54:00 PM  
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5/09/2006 08:55:00 PM  
Blogger natevoodoo said...

okay well that debunks that idea.
but it's what I would do for future clues if I was putting it together.

5/09/2006 08:59:00 PM  
Blogger natevoodoo said...

also:
yeah I heard the cindy flight attendant connection and the letters about loving australia in the audiobook.

5/09/2006 09:00:00 PM  
Blogger blake said...

when you type "heir apparent" in the box, what do you do from there? because i've tried pressing enter and clicking various places and got no response...

5/09/2006 09:02:00 PM  
Blogger Tinman said...

tapdawg: your evidence for this would be?

5/09/2006 09:02:00 PM  
Blogger natevoodoo said...

babe321:
thanks for reminding me to look back at the diary.
it now sounds like hurley but not hurley.
I guess it leaves open the option of a trader in their midst.
but the entries have been so contradictory.

5/09/2006 09:03:00 PM  
Blogger babe321 said...

natevoodoo

maybe it was libby? maybe she is/was a widmore? Since she was at the hospital with hurly scoping him out?

5/09/2006 09:10:00 PM  
Blogger Gishtler said...

anybody remember what color Alex's hair was?

and also when you sign in for the first time at the newsletter Persephone says "Welcome to Dharma" and it comes in the format of the computers on the island "like when michael was talking to Walt" so that has to mean that Persephone is communicating with us Via hacking the Hanso site from one of the hatches on the island. which suports my earlier theory that Alex is Persephone (because you basicaly can put Alex's life story next to the story of Persephone and they match almost exactly) anybody havea any comments on that?

5/09/2006 09:11:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Blake: If you came into hanso from the sublymonal site it may not have picked up your cookie. It happened to me. Close that window an reopen the site so you'll have your cookie and try again.


BTW: sublymonal is a Sprite reference. Lymon. It was an ad during the original phone message.

5/09/2006 09:15:00 PM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

tinman,

THF is trying to make the life expectancy go longer... and they are not making a "fountain of youth". Read what is written about LEP and THF.org

5/09/2006 09:18:00 PM  
Blogger Brian said...

ok, found something interesting!!!!!

I read in comments on this clue about people trying to Call the 877-HANSORG number with the extention 2630 or whatever. Since that didnt work I was looking around for other numbers. In the RSS feed it mentions how Joop the monkey is subject # 626.. and it mentions it 2 times in a row. which to show importance... Anways I called the number and entered 626 into the extention and it went CRAZY..

it said I got through to Alvar Hanso and then it seems like Persephone came on a started saying things. Can anyone else PLEASE verify.. I feel this is BIG TIME!!!!

5/09/2006 09:19:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Also, saw the new preview for tomorrow night. Looks really intense. Looks like Locke and Eko WILL find another hatch. went by kinda fast, butI could have sworn I saw Mike pointing a rifle at Jack!

5/09/2006 09:21:00 PM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

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5/09/2006 09:21:00 PM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

all it does is doesn't think of the number 6... but when you push 2 it takes you to alvar hanso's mailbox.

5/09/2006 09:22:00 PM  
Blogger blake said...

no what you got was the same as what happens when you put in the number 2...

5/09/2006 09:23:00 PM  
Blogger Brian said...

ok my bad..

sorry bout that.. so then what possible numbers would work for an extension number if it doesnt recognize certain numbers

5/09/2006 09:24:00 PM  
Blogger blake said...

and not only can i not get the heir apparent thing to work, but newsletter and joop's corner dont work either...when i send a message to joop it says connection error and nothing happens...when i sent breaking strain to newsletter weird sounds happen and the screen messes up and i cant access anything else...

5/09/2006 09:25:00 PM  
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5/09/2006 09:25:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

BLAKE! Read above!

5/09/2006 09:26:00 PM  
Blogger The Bloody Wanker said...

As of right now, it stands to reason that any extension numbers would be single-digit, since those are the only kind listed on the menu. Just a thought. :)

5/09/2006 09:27:00 PM  
Blogger blake said...

i tried that and nothing changed

5/09/2006 09:27:00 PM  
Blogger Gishtler said...

Deannacat who is Mike? one of the other survivors?

5/09/2006 09:29:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Weird! Did you try clearing your cache?

5/09/2006 09:29:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Michael. trying to save letters as I'm such a crappy typist!

5/09/2006 09:30:00 PM  
Blogger blake said...

clearing cache by deleting cookies?

5/09/2006 09:30:00 PM  
Blogger mykull said...

i mentioned this before, but will post again here.

WARNING--SPOILER ALERT.

re: BAD TWIN. gary troup's editor is christine devries, which is an anagram for RECEIVED CLUES SIR.

i haven't found any significant clues in the book yet, but mittelwerk is definitely singled out as a shady character, and one that arthur widmore doesn't feel right about.

and if the book is to be believed, arthur widmore (the father) and his son (alexander widmore, aka zander) plan to leave the company. the other son, clifford, was murdered. that leaves arthur's 3rd wife, victoria widmore, but she is not mentioned as a board member.

zander definitely had no interest in being part of the company at all.

5/09/2006 09:32:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

er.. well I have Win XP and it's under Tools/Clear Private Data. Make sure your cookies isn't checked but that cache is.

5/09/2006 09:33:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Cripes. I really wish I had bought that last week. Sigh.

5/09/2006 09:34:00 PM  
Blogger blake said...

i have win XP but i dont see a Clear Private Data section...or a cache for that matter

5/09/2006 09:35:00 PM  
Blogger mykull said...

btw, is anyone else feeling kind of irrtated by all of the tie-ins with companies like sprite, monster.com, verizon, etc. i am now getting junk e-mail from monster.com on my e-mail account, which i think is kind of crappy.

but oh well, it's not going to stop me from playing the game.

5/09/2006 09:37:00 PM  
Blogger Rachel said...

Ok I'm haveing problems. I went to the site got the word went to Mittleworks page typed in the word pressed enter and... nothing. What am I doing wrong? Anyone care to help?

5/09/2006 09:37:00 PM  
Blogger Gishtler said...

you have to be signed in before you can do it again

5/09/2006 09:38:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Oh Blake! I'm sorry I'm a dope! I gave you directions for Mozilla, not XP. Maybe I should give up and go to bed. If you have Explorer see if theres tools/internet options/general tab. Under Temp Internet files do Delete files. NOT COOKIES.

5/09/2006 09:40:00 PM  
Blogger blake said...

HOW DO YOU SIGN IN???

5/09/2006 09:40:00 PM  
Blogger Rachel said...

Ah-ha thanks got it :D

5/09/2006 09:41:00 PM  
Blogger Gishtler said...

on the newsletter. sign in there and then you can do whatever you want

5/09/2006 09:44:00 PM  
Blogger blake said...

ok deannecat i did as you said with no change...but how do you sign in just wondering...

5/09/2006 09:44:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

Blake, you need to login first in order to get the other things to work...that will set a cookie on your computer and after that everything should work...be sure and hit ENTER (rather than clicking NEXT) when entering your name and password...I had that same problem.

5/09/2006 09:44:00 PM  
Blogger blake said...

whenever i sign in on the newsletter it does that sound/messed up screen thing...do i have to use a certain word other than brteaking strain?

5/09/2006 09:45:00 PM  
Blogger Gishtler said...

no its still breaking strain. try starting up a new internet explorer or what ever you use and start from fresh

5/09/2006 09:47:00 PM  
Blogger blake said...

ive tried a million times...braeking strain never works

5/09/2006 09:48:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

Blake ...forgot to mention...click Newsletter to sign in...and enter whatever name you want to use. Hit ENTER.

Then you will receive a pseudo-handwritten message from Persephone asking "Can you read this?"..Type YES and hit ENTER.

Then it will ask for the password. Type in breakingstrain (no space).

Then you will get another message from Persephone...After that you should be able to get Joop's Corner and the other things to work.

5/09/2006 09:49:00 PM  
Blogger Gishtler said...

idk what to tell ya then. keep asking around someone's gotta know. we got all these computer savy people workin here lol

5/09/2006 09:49:00 PM  
Blogger Rachel said...

lostgrrl it's ok if you put a space inbetween breaking strain.

5/09/2006 09:51:00 PM  
Blogger Richard said...

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5/09/2006 09:52:00 PM  
Blogger blake said...

ok there it works...i dont know why i didnt do anything special...but thanks lostgrrrrl

5/09/2006 09:55:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

btw, is anyone else feeling kind of irrtated by all of the tie-ins with companies like sprite, monster.com, verizon, etc.

yes..its a bit annoying but I guess they have to have someway to pay for all the bandwidth, flash developers, advertisements, etc.

5/09/2006 09:56:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

Blake...so glad you finally got it to work :):)

5/09/2006 09:57:00 PM  
Blogger Richard said...

Dude, i was one of the first to figure out the 'heir apparent' thing (see previous clue), then i went home from work and in less than two hours THE WHOLE EFFING THING EXPLODES. you guys are AWESOME. keep it up!
we're going to have to keep these ABC folks working.
Also, i live like a mile from cal-tech, so if, for some crazy reason, i have to go over there i can.

5/09/2006 09:58:00 PM  
Blogger thejollyman707 said...

I kno this is off topic but im in high school right now and i was taking my AP tests and was looking through the list of different schools you can send scores to. The post about being a non-religion affiliated company but using namaste reminded me of somethin i saw. I dunno if this is connected at all but there was a school called the DHARMA realm Buddhist university. Any thoughts?

5/09/2006 10:02:00 PM  
Blogger blake said...

i think you need a new school, before things go haywire

5/09/2006 10:07:00 PM  
Blogger hoopleton said...

So all, are we right in thinking that the clues all point to the book.....I guess I know what I'm reading tonight.

5/09/2006 10:14:00 PM  
Blogger morganlefay said...

Mittlewerk..lost name game ?

The Germans built the weapon at a large underground facility called Mittlewerk that was staffed with slave labor transferred from the Buchenwald concentration camp. Conditions at the facility were horrific, and thousands of prisoners died due to malnutrition, disease, exhaustion, or hangings by camp guards

5/09/2006 10:26:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

can't wait to get paid so i can get that book : / sucks bein' stuck like this... the game's more addicting than the show, which has already taken over my life... so yeah.. it sucks to be stuck like this

5/09/2006 10:28:00 PM  
Blogger thejollyman707 said...

Has anyone seen that video interview with "Gary Troup" on amazon.com? This maybe old news but he wrote a non-fiction too that no one can find and then the clip cuts off as he begins to explain why...

5/09/2006 10:33:00 PM  
Blogger Morassa said...

belly0fdesire: I know the feeling...I have to admit I didnt watch LOST when it first came out..but I was bored at home one night and began downloading season 1 and ended up watching the whole damn thing in a week. Now I am caught up completely with season 2. I got my sister hooked on it also lol

So yeah now me and my sis are annoying are bf's with all this ARG talk and theories haha

5/09/2006 10:47:00 PM  
Blogger choff said...

This has nothing to do with the game but 626 was the experiment # of Stitch from Lilo and Stitch. It could be that one of the people working on this game did work on that movie/ TV show.

5/09/2006 10:47:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

Gary Troup videos: Seen 3 out of 9. The other 6 haven't popped up yet.
Valenzetti; Not sure if it has been mentioned but www.insidetheexperience.com confirmed that the Valenzetti Foundation site is NOT A PART OF THE GAME. The site/blog is talking from an ARG P.O.V. so I'd say that confirms it. The site itself and the POV are cool and set up lots of possibilities. Right now, it seems a little behind on the Experience-blog news though.

5/09/2006 10:53:00 PM  
Blogger Muss said...

Ok let me throw this on to the table for inspection. Hoopleton said 21:12 might be a bible verse and so realizing that Lost has shown some rather strong religious ties, I did a google search for 21:12 looking for bible passages and found Matthew 21:12 "Jesus entered into the temple of God, and drove out all of those who sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the money changers' tables and the seats of those who sold the doves." Could this be an attempt to clense Hanso of corruption, by Persephone? Does Persephone have some connection with the Willmore family that is driving her actions?

5/09/2006 10:58:00 PM  
Blogger levelut said...

I just noticed that the Alvar in Alvar Hanso's Executive Bio is not pink, it it white out on top of the red so it makes it look pink, or maybe it is written pink on top of the white out. Check it out, if you have a flatscreen look at it from a bottom angle and you will see the white outs white and the rest of the page will not be as white. Please coment on this.

5/09/2006 11:11:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

Random note: The oceanicflight815.com site... if you press anywhere near the light it sends you to the Hanso site. I don't know if this was there before...if it was... Please ignore me.

To those who've just commented: Even if it's not on purpose, the Bible verse does resemble what Persephone has done thus far. Well, let's say that she's not exactly raiding the temple with this SUMMER-LONG EXPERIENCE...but still. I think Persephone or the disappearance of Alvar Hanso is definitely going to be related to the Widmores. As Damon Lindelof said in the last podcast, there will be more Widmore. And when they might have been plotting some of these points (last winter), Damen and CC mentioned that Widmore is defintely a name to look out for. Thus far it's only been a few drops (pregnancy test, billboard, and the "leaked" photos of the balloon's thingy)... but with the book and the experience and the frickin' newspaper ads!

I'm just realizing how frickin COOL this all is. Newspaper ads!?! The last time a newspaper ad made this much noise was when Ben Affleck took out an ad in Variety saying how great J.Lo was! And this is a fake mystery from a non-reality tv show! Wow. I'd like to kiss Damen Lindelof right now. Not Carlton though. His face is so big in that podcast pic. Scary. (And HOW LONG can I make this frickin post!?!)

5/09/2006 11:28:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

Earlier today I was inquiring about setting up an RSS feed for Hanso...I just discovered that if you have live journal, you can set up the Hanso feed on your friends list. See:

http://syndicated.livejournal.com/hansofeed/profile

5/09/2006 11:45:00 PM  
Blogger Dedjezter said...

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but the obey appears at

:04 :08 :15 :23 :42
Just thought I would mention it.

5/09/2006 11:47:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

Posted by morganlefay...The Germans built the weapon at a large underground facility called Mittlewerk that was staffed with slave labor transferred from the Buchenwald concentration camp. Conditions at the facility were horrific, and thousands of prisoners died due to malnutrition, disease, exhaustion, or hangings by camp guards.

I think morganlefay might be onto something here!


And dedjezter posted...I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but the obey appears at

:04 :08 :15 :23 :42


Thanks for posting that...I knew it updated at :15 and someone mentioned :42....your post puts it all together :)

5/09/2006 11:53:00 PM  
Blogger CJ178 said...

Page 26, Word 30 of Bad Twin: Exertion
Doesn't really help us much if we don't know where to use it, but it atleast sounds like it could be a cool password to me =P

5/09/2006 11:57:00 PM  
Blogger hoopleton said...

Yup, dedjezter put it together...it was so obvious too....

My personal theory is that there are definitely Nazi ties, in the genetic experimentation form. Hanso would not have to have been a Nazi himself and could easily have been an Allied arms dealer as his bio states - but could have come into contact with German scientists brought over by Operation Paperclip - a US operation to evacuate Nazi scientists into the US after the war -- most notable among these Werhner Van Braun, the father of America's space program who, incidentally worked at Mittlewerk designing the V rockets that were launched against London. I love the tie ins here. Anyway, Nazi geneticists were also brought over under Paperclip and could have been employed by Hanso, extending his life. Perhaps that's what the island is...a test site for the Hanso Foundations experimentation. The legacy of Nazi science, dividing the world into good (pure) and bad (impure) people.

5/10/2006 12:01:00 AM  
Blogger hoopleton said...

cj178: page 21, word 12: caring. So we have "caring exertion." Another anagram? Nothing at all?

5/10/2006 12:03:00 AM  
Blogger levelut said...

2 things that no one has mentioned. #1 about the hospital, the wheel chair and all of that you haven't questioned Gary Troup's healt, why does this hospital have his records? #2 A lot of people posted, on other clue blogs, that Alvar Hanso may be a woman because of the name Alvar on his executive bio changing to pink. If you notice close enough, it is not written in pink, the name is "white outted" and either it appears pink or Persephone wrote it in pink over the white out. Look at your screen from a bottom angle and you will see what I'm talking about.

5/10/2006 12:07:00 AM  
Blogger The Bloody Wanker said...

Hmmm. I think that if the 21:12 and 26:30 are in fact book references, the LAST place it would be citing would be the Bible. I'm a Christian myself, so I'm not just hating on the thought, but everything about THF points strongly away from Christianity. They are trying to, in a sense, 'play God' with their experiments. Generally frowned upon in the Christian community.

I'm personally of the opinion that if the numbers refer to any book, it would in fact be Bad Twin. ABC isn't marketing the Bible. ;)

5/10/2006 12:08:00 AM  
Blogger levelut said...

bloody wanker: Remember Mr. Ecko is a priest and persephone "is the one" giving the clues

5/10/2006 12:10:00 AM  
Blogger Dedjezter said...

On second notice it does not change at :08 but does at the rest

5/10/2006 12:11:00 AM  
Blogger The Bloody Wanker said...

levelut, I'm confused by #1... The hospital isn't actually related to the clue we were given. I'm hoping we'll find out what it means later, but the real clue right now is the lack of records of Mittlewerk from Caltech which is a school, not the hospital pictured.

And I do understand your point that Persephone is the one feeding us things. It just seems odd that anyone would reference the Bible among the genetic manipulation and corruption, not to mention that whole 'namaste' thing. Hehe. However, if ABC wanted to sell a few more copies of their newly released LOST-related book, I'm sure putting clues in there would do wonders. It worked on me. :P Bought my copy tonight.

5/10/2006 12:14:00 AM  

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