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Clue #36 - Persephone (9) Another Number Message

The hacker's at it again. We got a new message from Persephone at persephone.thehansofoundation.org. This one was really tricky....

106 103 157 162 235 45 122 202 39 122 26 39 162 218 222 151 42 39 142 87 168 186

*Thanks and shout out to Rita, Rod, Chris, James, Mohammed Ali, Leslie, and Lauren for noticing the change first and emailing.

The numbers are "base64 coded". If you head to http://www.paulschou.com/tools/xlate/ and enter the numbers into the "dec/char" box for ASCii, you get nonsense that comes up in the text translation box. But in the "base 64" box you get: amedoustesonehonotrelyonjleoug

So far this string has been anagrammed to:

a mouse does not rely on just one hole

(The "g" actually ends up being a coding error for "s" - Why is Persephone being so tricky?) According to Psytor, this is a phrase that is on the blast door map (The one only Locke got a look at in Season 2). It is also a direct quote from the Roman dramatist, Plautus. Click HERE to read more about him. Hmmm...

*credit to WeLoveCov, B!X, and Psytor


Blogger discogal said...

Thank goodness! Since emailing this to you I've been waiting for you to post it, cause I cannot figure out how to crack this code!

5/18/2006 03:27:00 PM  
Blogger dharmajen said...

Maybe it's not ASCII??? What else could it be?

5/18/2006 03:37:00 PM  
Blogger discogal said...

Well, if you use that extended ASCII chart you just get weird symbols for half of it..

I tried to read about ROT whatever but that didn't seem to work...got no clue

5/18/2006 03:38:00 PM  
Blogger WeLoveCov said...

Go to this fabulous site: http://www.paulschou.com/tools/xlate/ and enter the numbers into dec/char box for ascii codes. It yields Base64 code that is all letters - the text translation is nonsense.

5/18/2006 03:41:00 PM  
Blogger porcus said...

Over at Hansoland, they're saying that maybe it's base64 encoded...but I don't know

5/18/2006 03:42:00 PM  
Blogger louis said...

it says
115 116 97 110 100 98 121

5/18/2006 03:48:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

translating from dec/char to base 64 yields the following string:

somebody make something out of that?

5/18/2006 03:49:00 PM  
Blogger Melissa said...

Over at unfiction, we think that maybe some of it says 'do not trust just me' or something like that. there's a lot left over, and it's just speculation anyway.

5/18/2006 03:50:00 PM  
Blogger christy said...

i got this:


so everyone can play with it.

5/18/2006 03:54:00 PM  
Blogger thesmall001 said...

can anyone tell me how to view the flash encoding?

5/18/2006 03:55:00 PM  
Blogger Corinne said...

jenn jenn -- there's only two t's in the whole thing, and four in "do not trust just me"

5/18/2006 03:57:00 PM  
Blogger Ross said...

Has anyone else thought that these numbers Persephone keeps posting might have to do with the Valensetti Equation? I know we've been able to decode them so far but like they said in the podcast, the numbers 4 8 15 16 24 48 apparently have something to do with said equation, why not these? And has anyone tried to decode the magic numbers? It's a stretch but whatever I've been drinking.

5/18/2006 04:00:00 PM  
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5/18/2006 04:00:00 PM  
Blogger christy said...

maybe it is a coincidence, but there is a town called Amedou in Cameroon (central Africa) http://www.fallingrain.com/world/CM/0/Amedou.html. Probably nothing, but who knows!?

5/18/2006 04:01:00 PM  
Blogger Corinne said...

it seems like "jungle" should be one of the words...

5/18/2006 04:05:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

i got:
do not rely on just me
the following letters are left over:
aesonehooug = =
you can pull "hanso" out of that, leaving

5/18/2006 04:06:00 PM  
Blogger VeryLost said...

there are only 22 numbers yet it yields 30 letters...do we ignore the last 8?

5/18/2006 04:06:00 PM  
Blogger levelut said...

do not rely on me just use logon "aehoe"

People, how about this, anyone thought of that?

5/18/2006 04:13:00 PM  
Blogger Aly said...

How about "do not rely on hanso just me" ??

5/18/2006 04:29:00 PM  
Blogger b!X said...

It's solved, thanks to psytor.


The "g==" actually ends up being a coding error for "s" which makes the anagram:

"a mouse does not rely on just one hole"

Which is a phrase that's come up before, according to psytor, on the blast door map.

5/18/2006 04:29:00 PM  
Blogger christy said...

dang it! i thought i had just discovered something. When you take the leftover letters from "do not rely on one message" (the leftover ones are: uehotjlou) and ROT13 them, you get "hrubgwybh" which you can spell "hugh" from. I was stuck after that, but anyway.

Good job psytor!

5/18/2006 04:34:00 PM  
Blogger paulb914 said...

Another site says:

Re: New persephone message.

It's solved, thanks to psytor.


The "g==" actually ends up being a coding error for "s" which makes the anagram:

"a mouse does not rely on just one hole"

Which is a phrase that's come up before, according to psytor, on the blast door map.

5/18/2006 04:34:00 PM  
Blogger Ross said...

If you go to:
You can see a picture of Locke's map with commentary written on it. To the right of the question mark in yellow print the phrase "Mus Uni Non Fidit Antro" appears. Translated, that means a mouse does not rely on just one hole.

5/18/2006 04:34:00 PM  
Blogger VeryLost said...

i think she is saying to look for more entrances into THF.org and to stop focusing so much on her or just her page.

Maybe we need to be trying the login box at the bottom s'more. Anyone reverse engineer the SWF lately to see if it does anything yet?

Maybe we need to be poking into someothers.thehansofoundation.org

5/18/2006 04:40:00 PM  
Blogger Ross said...

Oh, here's something. At:

There is an explanation of Locke's Map. Basically it says Locke's hand written copy of the blast door map was written on a poem called Ms. Rachel and Pauline Garcia. No idea if the name Rachel is a red harring in this instance.

5/18/2006 04:40:00 PM  
Blogger dharmajen said...

has anyone tried to put the names from the compass site into thehansofoundation.org like: ahanso.thehandsofoundation.org? That particular one just sends you right the main site, but maybe others will go somewhere else?

5/18/2006 04:47:00 PM  
Blogger TT said...

it seems pretty obvious that the correct anagram is "a mouse does not rely on just one hole"

nice work finding the phrase on the blast door map. I wonder if they will start sending us anagrams in latin. Maybe there are more clues that relate to the blast door map. Then again, maybe not.

How bout that last episode...wow.

5/18/2006 04:48:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

we should try www.missingorgans.thehansofoundation.org or similar....


5/18/2006 04:51:00 PM  
Blogger Janelle said...

I don't know if this will come into play, but I googled "a mouse does not rely on just one hole" and it was quoted by Plautus a Roman playwright

5/18/2006 04:52:00 PM  
Blogger Ross said...

Look at the blast door map, it has a lot of very interesting stuff. Also, notice the triangles on it. Remember when you send Joop a message and have to click on those circles? I think it's the same pattern. Sorry for all the posts but I think this stuff is important. I also like to hear myself talk.

5/18/2006 04:52:00 PM  
Blogger dharmajen said...

Maybe we should post what clues we have that we haven't figured out what to do with yet...it might come to us having it all put together

5/18/2006 04:55:00 PM  
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5/18/2006 05:00:00 PM  
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5/18/2006 05:01:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

i did a little checking up on the ancient playwright plautus. seems he wrote a play called "the twin brothers".
a synopsis can be found here:
in some ways, the plot is very similar to "bad twin", no?
perhaps shes saying we should trust gary troup?

5/18/2006 05:01:00 PM  
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5/18/2006 05:02:00 PM  
Blogger rebecca said...

Hey guys - I am fairly new to this - just found out about all the chatter today!! Can anyone help me with the "missing organs" where is that from??

5/18/2006 05:03:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

just to refresh, the phrase "a mouse does not rely on just one hole" is attributed to platus if you do a google search on the phrase.

5/18/2006 05:03:00 PM  
Blogger thesmall001 said...

Hey does anyone know how to view the flash code used to make the site i'd like to have a read through myself . . .

5/18/2006 05:03:00 PM  
Blogger nb said...

Woah i just tried


And it took me to the site

Maybe there's something hidden here

5/18/2006 05:08:00 PM  
Blogger Chad said...

Could the "a mouse does not rely on one hole" phrase have to do with the fact that there were so many ways to get the password last night?

5/18/2006 05:12:00 PM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

chads got a point.

5/18/2006 05:14:00 PM  
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5/18/2006 05:15:00 PM  
Blogger iNac said...

sorry nb, bit just for kicks, i entered skdfnfsdf.thehansofoundation.org and i still got to the site.

5/18/2006 05:16:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

NB, You can type just about anything before the hansofoundation.org and you willbe taken to the site, try your name, try anything, it will work. I think it is P's way of telling us to not over think things, clues will come from many places and often get us to the same result because we all have different ways of coming to a solution.


5/18/2006 05:16:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

"a mouse does not rely on one hole" might also mean that persephone might leave clues on other sites. chad has a good point though.

5/18/2006 05:17:00 PM  
Blogger Marc said...


I was just about to say something similar. Most of the clues have actually had some sort of back door or alternative solve.

5/18/2006 05:19:00 PM  
Blogger boofMcboof said...

That play from Platus sounds very much like Shakespeare's play Comedy of Errors.

5/18/2006 05:20:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Almost all of the clues have had more than one way of getting to them. Not everyone can decode ASCii or morse code, so the codes come to us from multiple areas.


5/18/2006 05:22:00 PM  
Blogger boofMcboof said...

from wikipedia, a short description of the play, "They all end up in the same place at the same time, or each appears in a different place at an inconvenient time, the "errors" of mistaken identity give rise to a number of humorous situations."

Sound familiar?

5/18/2006 05:23:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Kind of sounds like bad twin to me. Or Vincent and Walts appearances on the island...


5/18/2006 05:25:00 PM  
Blogger Arthur said...

I am amazed at the collective intelligence of everyone working on these clues. Kudos to everyone who is doing the digging.

5/18/2006 05:29:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Indeed we are all smart!! LOL!!!

5/18/2006 05:32:00 PM  
Blogger boofMcboof said...

The creators of Lost did a great job of infusing science, math, religion, literature, and philosophy into the mythology of Lost. The clues are from a variety of disciplines.

5/18/2006 05:35:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Not to mention the vast array of mediums they can and will use to get clues out to us. And the marketing opportunities are astounding, why have they not made Namaste, Hanso and Dharma merchandise yet?

5/18/2006 05:37:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Well, there we go, Save Joop! Shirts!! Nice!! Ka-ching!!


5/18/2006 05:45:00 PM  
Blogger Richard said...

it seems to me that the 'other mouse hole' is that they're going to spell things out for us later, by, oh... say PUTTING A DIRECT LINK ON A FREAKING COMMERCIAL. that's what they've done before anyway.
regardless, good work gals and guys. i've since stopped losing sleep over this stuff as they're keeping everything pretty straightforward and easy to figure out eventually.

and, by the way, I LOVE THE PODCAST.

5/18/2006 05:46:00 PM  
Blogger mennen said...

you can also type "[anything].djdan.am" and it will take you to the hanso site

5/18/2006 05:50:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

I think we need to relax and breath after yesterday and last night. Compile all of our clues and be ready for the next big thing. We have many loose ends and we will certainly get more. Great work to everyone that keeps this site up and puts in the hard work to figure out clues. Kuddos!!


5/18/2006 05:54:00 PM  
Blogger TT said...

I wonder if the dots you have to connect in Joop's clue correlate with the locations on Alvar's map. Maybe it is the sequence of his travel destinations or something of that nature. Or maybe it could be superimposed somewhere else.

5/18/2006 06:05:00 PM  
Blogger KellthaQTpie said...

Not sure if you guys noticed....but the second "Press Release link on THF.org's homepage links to the letter from Hugh and the URL is:

All that hard work and in was staring us in the face! haha

5/18/2006 07:34:00 PM  
Blogger TT said...

Well I looked into the old Joop's clue, check out my post here if you want to see what I came up with, I feel that the order with which the spheres appeared must have some significance and this is my best stab at what that may be. Everyone should


5/18/2006 07:51:00 PM  
Blogger dharmajen said...

Possible spoiler.

Not sure if anyone has made this connection yet, but in last nights episode when they were asking about Walt being in two places at once, that is the basis of remote viewing. I know that it has been mentioned in connection with the game too...maybe something to check out and keep an eye out for.

5/18/2006 08:29:00 PM  
Blogger TT said...

OK, I was looking at the compass image, with the 108 degree thingy. There are numbers/letters that appear when the superimposed image appears, these are DI9FFTR731 . Before trying to interpret them, which I have not even attempted yet, I googled the sequence and evnetually found that these numbers are definately significant. They appear on all the boxes of Dharma food which was on the "Lost Pack". Check out this thread for more info


5/18/2006 08:37:00 PM  
Blogger VeryLost said...

I saw those numbers this afternoon and eMailed the folks here... I think they are going to be BIG

5/18/2006 08:47:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

i saw those yesterday, but haven't been able to interpret what they mean, so I haven't emailed anyone....

PS... i can't stand the fuselage... everytime i go there I get so aggitated at everyone's attitude.

word... and namaste

5/18/2006 09:24:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Cool, Ross! I had been looking for a screen cap of Locke's map, but couldn't ever find one and finally gave up. So glad to have seen this! Thanks!

5/18/2006 09:41:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Here's the screen cap of the door that's on Lost-Media... if this is the door, I can't find the quote on it anywhere... maybe i'm just missing it


5/18/2006 09:48:00 PM  
Blogger drpunkass said...

I guess ABC is making this game for the "Math and Computer" brainiacs. How the heck are the rest of us "little people" supposed to figure these codes out?

I'm quickly learning why I'm not a spy....


5/18/2006 09:58:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Belly: It's located directly to the right of the ? mark. Lostpedia has a GREAT, cleaned-up version of the map. Check that out if you like.

5/18/2006 10:08:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

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5/18/2006 10:51:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

tt & verylost, they posted about the numbers from the Dharma packs in Clue #34. It is about halfway down...it's a long clue but the info is all there.

5/18/2006 10:54:00 PM  
Blogger Lost_in_WPB said...

"a mouse does not rely on just one hole" = in the clue and on the map - gives thought to the comment the producers made on the official podcast that one of the items found in the ? hatch was a "Burning Cig", someone could have been there all along, watching and ran out as the doors were opened. Are they trying to hint at something?

5/18/2006 11:00:00 PM  
Blogger Lanie Grace said...

The Pearl was marked as a hatch on the blast door map, though uncertainly (indicated by C4?, CIV? and The Pearl? but not THE ?). I see no reason to believe that it is the question mark in the center of the map but, rather, the one thusly marked.

5/19/2006 01:13:00 AM  
Blogger DeDJeZTeR said...

Okay, Some spoilers may be included here.
First... let me say HAHAHA to all those people who kept telling me that the things in the show would not make there way in to the game... I believe this is proof that the show can and will effect the game even if only in a slight way.

A mouse does not rely on just one hole... anybody?

Second... I will never buy a save joop T... I would make my own but feel no need to give someone else money, they should be ashamed of themeselves... This is the same attitude that made people rich off selling American flags on the street for $30 after 911... I weep for them...
Third...Lanie Grace Ever thought that whoever wrote it might have been...not in the right mind, so to speak... In the S1 dvd's Dominic said that he believes that the island brings out the better qualities of the human psychy...like His need to care for claire and such... Now the injections that Desmond took and that the others gave to micheal seem to repress these inner qualities allowing them to take irrational measures that they normally wouldn't
Fourth...has anyone yet figured out why oh, why some of us are still only getting that damn solid green screen at Let your compass. How are the masses supposed to see things if we can't see things?

C-ya and Namaste

5/19/2006 03:03:00 AM  
Blogger NYStingRay said...


Here is a better picture of the map, besure to expand it to full page for easy viewing.


5/19/2006 03:40:00 AM  
Blogger DeDJeZTeR said...

For more information go to
www.bigfuckingreenscreen.com for NOTHING
I am frustrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5/19/2006 03:56:00 AM  
Blogger Marty said...

anyone seen http://www.swanstation.com/ ? Doesnt do much at the mo. but who knows? still looking for "holes"! also anyone noticed that the novels that have been released- in the cover notes the charactors names have an incorrect firstname or surname each time? (at least in the 2 ive got)

5/19/2006 06:27:00 AM  
Blogger Marty said...

pretty sure this is another turkey. and the "incorrect time" followed by 8:15 led me to bugger up my system clock!


5/19/2006 08:03:00 AM  
Blogger Marty said...

Ok thought of "Holes" in a different light. and discovered that thf.org is open to ftp requests - but is password protected.

5/19/2006 08:29:00 AM  
Blogger We are the 801 said...

Marty, I've been thinking along the same lines -- but I've been trying to use the old "gopher" protocol. (Thought of that while reading the stuff about "safe g" on www.thelostexperience.com. That and the fact that gopher servers were sometimes called "gopherholes.") I haven't managed to find anything yet. I wonder if the "CV IV" near the "mouse" quote on the map has anything to do with it? A port number, maybe?

5/19/2006 08:45:00 AM  
Blogger Naruto said...

Did anyone notice the person behind the compass on www.letyourcompassguideyou.com?

Looks like the lady that introduces the hanso site.

5/19/2006 08:48:00 AM  
Blogger Marty said...

ok. who has a port sniffer? lol. do we have any spare logons from lcues that havent been used? i tried the xterm stuff from DMCINTYRE folder on "compass (folder name plus "noclobber") against teh ftp site. could be reg herring - but dont see why the port would still be open the firewall.

5/19/2006 08:51:00 AM  
Blogger Marty said...

apolpies. cant type for toffeeeeeee

5/19/2006 08:52:00 AM  
Blogger Joe said...

"mouse" click perhaps another hole for the pc mouse to find.

5/19/2006 09:01:00 AM  
Blogger Marty said...

could be another hidden field in the webpage - remember the "hotspot" made visable only by using the tab function?

5/19/2006 09:04:00 AM  
Blogger iheartpudding said...

Has anyone else noticed that one of the files (image file) on the letyourcompassguideyou.com website is named:
139191991471518711419.jpg? It would appear to me that you can break this number down into groups of three, like persephone's numbers. I tried this and decoded it using BASE64 (the same as the mouse hole code) and ended up with:
Maybe I'm way off, but I think there might be something going on with that filename number.

5/19/2006 10:21:00 AM  
Blogger LostTAV said...

I this old news there is a link above the login text in the bottom right hand side of the page but

it take you to this http://www.thehansofoundation.org/press/05_05_06.pdf
which I now is old news but I had never noticed the link before?

5/19/2006 10:52:00 AM  
Blogger Marty said...

anyone seen this? http://www.paik-heavy.com/Sorry it didn't work out, it was a group try. If you see an oval rash you must deal with it immediately. Or at least check the source.

There wasn't much we could do about the open sphere. She was on a phone spree and we had to get out of there.

104 116 116 112 58 47 47 119 119 119 46 112 97 105 107 45 104 101 97 118 121 46 99 111 109 47 110 97 109 97 115 116 101 46 104 116 109

5/19/2006 12:03:00 PM  
Blogger Marty said...

url should read http://www.paik-heavy.com/east_man.htm

5/19/2006 12:04:00 PM  
Blogger Forceuser said...

Just translated that ^ in ASCII. Comes out as: http://www.paik-heavy.com/namaste.htm

That page gives:
"Previous list compromised. Previous list compromised.

Urgent message

Assistance needed"

The last one is a link to a page where you can enter your email for more info...

5/19/2006 12:43:00 PM  
Blogger westendgirl29 said...

Check out:


It says the link /_ is no longer valid. If you click on the '_' you get some numbers:
80 101 114 115 101 112 104 111 110 101

Which is ASCII code for 'Persephone'. So this may be her other 'hole'...

5/19/2006 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger Chongo said...

before I submit my email address I am waiting to see how "legit" paik-heavy is.

5/19/2006 01:02:00 PM  
Blogger Chongo said...


Thomas Callahan
1775 Massachusetts Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20036



Administrative Contact:
Peter Thompson
Paik-Heavy Industries
544 Orsund Klengvjel
Copenhagen, DK-1604


Technical Contact:
Peter Thompson
544 Orsund Klengvjel
Copenhagen, DK-1604


5/19/2006 01:05:00 PM  
Blogger moonunit said...

The link you click on the paik-heavy web site ends up being http://www.paik-heavy.com/50-65-72-73-65-70-68-6f-6e-65.php

Any significance to those numbers?

5/19/2006 01:12:00 PM  
Blogger moonunit said...

Never mind, got it, it's hex for Persephone (capitalized and all, neat!)

5/19/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Blogger Chongo said...

theres a new clue on thf.org

go to peter thompson on the exec bios screen and find the hidden text field...enter in the words that flash across peters pic

5/19/2006 01:22:00 PM  
Blogger Lyrkalas said...

83 111 109 101 32 76 111 116 117 115 = misleading

5/19/2006 01:39:00 PM  
Blogger melodrama1 said...

77 105 115 108 101 97 100 105 110 103

paik-Heavy keeps changing. These are the numbers I got. The first time I went there, there were no numbers, but the message "Persephone will lead you astray"

5/19/2006 01:42:00 PM  
Blogger melodrama1 said...

Persephone will lead you astray. Find another source.

That's the full message. Hepp refreshing, you'll get different number sequences. I'm not so math savvy, so y'all will have to translate for me :)

5/19/2006 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger melodrama1 said...


typing too fast in excitement...

5/19/2006 01:45:00 PM  
Blogger westendgirl29 said...

now I am getting this code on paik-Heavy.com:

72 101 114 111 110 32 71 108 111 119

which is 'Heron Glow' == 'Wrong Hole'.

So someone is having fun, in-game or not!

5/19/2006 01:53:00 PM  
Blogger Lyrkalas said...

It changes each time you refresh.

5/19/2006 02:14:00 PM  
Blogger westendgirl29 said...

Yes - with a limited number of codes. (I think I've seen 5):

'heron glow' = 'wrong hole'
'some lotus' = 'lost mouse'
'charles widmore'

5/19/2006 02:23:00 PM  
Blogger moonunit said...

Wikipedia is reporting paik-heavy as a fan fake site... for what that's worth.

5/19/2006 02:26:00 PM  
Blogger jackbauer'shappyplace said...


Thinking about this clue...'A mouse does not rely on just one hole'.

I wonder if it might have anything to do with the links to THF on the other LE websites. For example, if you click on the grainy pictures of (not) Alvar Hanso on DJ Dan's website you'll be taken to THF. Also, on the Gary Troup website (garytroup.net), in the links section of the site, clicking on the Bad Twin logo at the top of the page will take you to THF.

I tried going to THF through these other links and didn't notice any difference. But thought someone else might want to try to see if they noticed anything...

5/20/2006 09:51:00 PM  
Blogger janda said...

Peresophone website updated to a 2....

5/21/2006 06:08:00 PM  
Blogger Free Affiliates Program said...

Persephone is so tricky? We also notice it. If anyone got solution tell us

6/06/2006 04:30:00 AM  
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