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Clue #38 - Persephone (11) Hole 2, Photo


Persephone posted another message at persephone.thehansofoundation.org . This time is just said "2". Since she was talking about mouse holes the other day, we tried this: hole2.thehansofoundation.org .

Who is it? Some have been saying Marvin Candle but we don't think so, do you? A new character? What do you think it means?

The Speaker over at "insidetheexperience" (i.e. the ABC mouthpiece) is being very mysterious about how we should "read" this picture. Who will be the first to "decode" it? Send us an email if you get it.

EDIT:
We just wanted to say "GOOD WORK" to everyone chatting in the comments and sending us emails. We've considered a lot of options and aren't completely sold on the legitimacy of anything just yet. Maybe Persephone will give us more on Tuesday. We're going to call it a night but will check back first thing in the morning. Remember to EMAIL if anything develops.

*Thanks Jim, Chris, Darla, Robyn, Matt, Jake, John, Alana, Oliver, Andrea, Danny (and more!) for helping with this clue.

707 Comments:

Blogger Gifted Bella said...

I do not think it is him. It definenitly is not Candle. Look at the forehead space and where the ears line up. Maybe it is one of the executives.

5/22/2006 08:55:00 AM  
Blogger Bigdog said...

if you ask me it looks like either Jacob Vanderfield or Lawrence Peck.

5/22/2006 08:58:00 AM  
Blogger billyk617 said...

what does the filename of the image mean?

"q9als2002.gif"

5/22/2006 09:04:00 AM  
Blogger PhD said...

Board of Directors is the next target I'm assuming. So possibly one of them.

5/22/2006 09:05:00 AM  
Blogger blue elephant said...

http://www.insidetheexperience.com/2006/05/a_couple_of_thi.html

"People have finally found this. But they're not looking at it correctly."

hmmm...

5/22/2006 09:14:00 AM  
Blogger PazzoRagazzo said...

the man is not Marvin Candle.
goto "active projects", click Worldwide wellness link,then click "press release".
The man in the photo is here, he is standing infront of a hospital

5/22/2006 09:14:00 AM  
Blogger Ross said...

Kind of looks like Pierce Brosnan

5/22/2006 09:18:00 AM  
Blogger dave21r21 said...

It definitely isnt' Candle due to the fact that the pic has earlobes and Candle doesn't have any.

5/22/2006 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger Tripura said...

what if it isn't anyone at all....maybe it is encrypted somehow. Or there is a message in it somewhere....

5/22/2006 09:31:00 AM  
Blogger Bigdog said...

I think so to Tripura someone pointed out they see the word Joop in it. I think it might be a optical illusion myself. however I noticed what looked like a j or a t also.

5/22/2006 09:39:00 AM  
Blogger zuko said...

note, there is a row of dashes right along the top edge of the image. if the image is a coded message, could this be the 'key'?

also, why is the image line based rather than just a solid block? it reminds of a lie detector test, or an earthquake readout

5/22/2006 09:40:00 AM  
Blogger Ross said...

I think it was Hypes Blog who posted this before:

If you translate the part:

#85; #110; #105; #118; #101; #114; #115; #105; #116; #121; #32; #111; #102; #32; #77; #105; #99; #104; #105; #103; #97; #110

of the sequence from the marvin candle site with the dec/char translator from
http://www.paulschou.com/tools/xlate/

u decode the message:

University of Michigan

If you recall, the DeGroot's (The doctors from the Orientation videos) went to the University of Michigan.

5/22/2006 09:44:00 AM  
Blogger hypes blog said...

yes but it is from the marvin candle fan site i think!

5/22/2006 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger Karl said...

I dont think its marvin Candle, Im pretty sure its not the guy from the wellness page either.

5/22/2006 09:51:00 AM  
Blogger zuko said...

i really don't think the point is to visually identify who it is, but rather to get some other meaning, from the file name, or looking at the image in some other way

5/22/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger jessandgabesmom said...

Maybe when they say look at it another way, they mean to flip the photo horizontally. I could see it being Candle if it was horizontally flipped. I can't see it being anyone else that we have seen. The only other one who wears a tie in the photos is Hanso,right?

5/22/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger ex-gradstudent said...

also the man in the picture seems to be 'missing organs'... his eyes!

5/22/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger blue elephant said...

I tried to invert the colours, flip it around, but nothing... maybe someone with a better eye should do it.

5/22/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger FeaR-ME said...

Assuming this is a very important clue, we could think it's Alvar, it matches what we can see from alvar's pic....
also I've read somewhere: "q9als2002.gif -> als2002 = alvar last seen 2002

5/22/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger zuko said...

FeaR-ME, i agree

5/22/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger Fat Lazy Guy said...

There's no mouth, no eyes, no nose.

Hugh was the mouthpiece clue... maybe that means it's definitely not Hugh? Are there other people that are somehow related to these body parts?

5/22/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger Marty said...

if you look at this file in its original location (ie bigger than on this site), it appears the face has been scrawled out with an "eraser pen" in MSpaint. Look below (His) Right eye, and where the left ear should be. Maybe the Hansos were behind that recent face translant surgery? =)

5/22/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger FeaR-ME said...

alvar's pic doesn't show his eyes

5/22/2006 10:15:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

For fear of being a pain, I missed how we came to this clue. I have persephone.thehansofoundation.org up, where do you find the clue '2'?

Then what?

I knew I should have taken my laptop with me while I was away!!

Namaste!

5/22/2006 10:19:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

If you look at the guys hair and squint it looks like it reads 'I'm in NY'

Anyone else see it?

Namaste

5/22/2006 10:21:00 AM  
Blogger chaseblogger@hotmail.com said...

I"m going to try to zooming several times and see there are any hidden words and what not. But I think the filename and face missing are the 'real' clues here.

*intentionaly not saying namaste*

5/22/2006 10:24:00 AM  
Blogger MarkOrmesher said...

What intrests me in that picture is the dots that aren't part of the head/face. There could be something hidden in those, they just seem to obvious to not erase.

5/22/2006 10:27:00 AM  
Blogger chaseblogger@hotmail.com said...

Has anyone tried to flip the image so that it's a mirror of itself and then view a few it a fiew time smaller than actual size? It looks to me like there is something written in his hair. . . I just don't have a decent photo editor here at work to do the job. Just an idea.

5/22/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger chaseblogger@hotmail.com said...

sorry thrasher, didn't see you posted the something similar. But what the heck does it really say?

5/22/2006 10:31:00 AM  
Blogger Dutchy83 said...

if you use the 'find edges' tool on corel and put it up to max on sharp edges you get a really wierd image that resembles what looks like a floor map. Also, notice the random colours that appear!
Really random but I thought that it also reminded me of the picture on the site of the city pollution but have been unable to find anything on that page.

My head hurts!

5/22/2006 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

I have it printed out and I am trying some things with the image, It might be latin or like I said before Im in NY or NV or KY. It is not Candle, that is for sure, they don't match up when you overlap them.

Peace

5/22/2006 10:35:00 AM  
Blogger yalan said...

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5/22/2006 10:38:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Dutchy,

Can you post the image you created/found, would like to see it for myself, I don't have corel at work. I know I should be working and not playing this game.

Chase, no worries.

5/22/2006 10:38:00 AM  
Blogger blue elephant said...

haha!
remember the jesus illusion?
http://www.coolopticalillusions.com/jesusillusion.htm

perhaps this is something like that? I will upload an colour-inverted picture in a sec.

5/22/2006 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger miguel said...

I fliped the image, and it looks very much like the letter "j". By the way, in his new post, the speaker says we're not looking correctly at the picture, but also mention joop's petition. I guess something involving joop pages is the key for the next step.

Image result:
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/miguel.nogueira/newimage.jpg

5/22/2006 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger yalan said...

I used "neon glow" at photoshop and i think "jump" is written in the hair.

5/22/2006 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger blue elephant said...

there you go --

http://img419.imageshack.us/img419/7946/hmmmm4mj.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/elehpant/hmmmm.jpg

:D

5/22/2006 10:45:00 AM  
Blogger jorge said...

in Joop's page, below the Joop's Corner banner, there is a space to type something

5/22/2006 10:48:00 AM  
Blogger sandman said...

I'm not sure if anyone has noticed but if you click on Joop's corner there is an image flashing through on the words next to his picture.

5/22/2006 10:52:00 AM  
Blogger drominore said...

I'm getting something different here. PLay with the levela a bit on the pic, and I seem to see two words...

"Im NOT"

but I can't seem to find any continuation.

The "Im" I am certain of, the "NOT" takes some leaps so it may be wrong.

Drom

5/22/2006 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Jorge, that has been there for some time now, still no use for it.

5/22/2006 10:54:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Drom, I am seeing that possiblity as well, but I am leaning more towards, Im in NY or something similar...

5/22/2006 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger miguel said...

Aldo, if you decode "als" as base64 it gives u the letter "j"

5/22/2006 11:01:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

If you go to the save Joop site Peter Thompason signed it, #315...hmmm, could be anyone, but I think we are being pointed to Joop for some reason.

5/22/2006 11:03:00 AM  
Blogger yalan said...

Also use "polar coordinates" and you get something like the hanso logo and i think i see "i'm lost" in the middle.

5/22/2006 11:05:00 AM  
Blogger drominore said...

Actually the little box appears to be clickable only, and it changes the orientation of the spots behind the jppo page. What I am curious about is that if you use TAB to hit the live fields (buttons, boxes, etc) that you get the background change in the lower left, then you get the RSS button, then the login box, then SOMETHING that I can't find anywhere, then it loops up to the top again.

I'm gonna keep looking... Heck with thos epaying customers anyhow.. THIS IS IMPORTANT! :-)

Drom

5/22/2006 11:07:00 AM  
Blogger Eduardo Nasi said...

Speaker told us about Joop. And Joop's Corner became weird.

This is not a coincidence.

5/22/2006 11:08:00 AM  
Blogger Naruto said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

5/22/2006 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger Marty said...

ahmet, Sorry...what? what polar co-ordinates, where? You "lost" me!

5/22/2006 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

joops page has been that way except for the texts box under JOOPS CORNER banner

5/22/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Blogger Dawn said...

Definintely not Candle/Wickman. The ears are the wrong shape at the bottom. What other way is there to look at it though? I don't understand.

5/22/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Blogger drominore said...

GOT IT....

Looks like ny.thehansofoundation.org is a working link.. Perhaps we will see something new soon?

The writing on JOOP's page is stable and clear after linking in from NY.

Drom

5/22/2006 11:13:00 AM  
Blogger Marty said...

getting funny looks as tryed looking at it upside down, without the aid of software, whilst still in office. not meant to be something else - like the face is there to mislead us. a keyhole or something?

5/22/2006 11:13:00 AM  
Blogger drominore said...

Something odd too.. You can't send a message anymore....
Drom

5/22/2006 11:16:00 AM  
Blogger Naruto said...

"GOT IT....

Looks like ny.thehansofoundation.org is a working link.. Perhaps we will see something new soon?"

No its not. Not for me anyway

5/22/2006 11:16:00 AM  
Blogger NYStingRay said...

you can put anything in before thehansofoundation.org and it will "work"

and you have ALWAYS been able to tab around on Joop's and all the other pages with similiar affects.

nothing new here, stop reach for clues and work with what you have.

5/22/2006 11:17:00 AM  
Blogger blue elephant said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

5/22/2006 11:17:00 AM  
Blogger westendgirl29 said...

Try

Send JOOP a message.

Looks like it's been updated!

5/22/2006 11:18:00 AM  
Blogger Wamp Rat said...

you can get the site with ANYTHING.thehansofoundation.org - this has always been the case - nothing new there

5/22/2006 11:19:00 AM  
Blogger Naruto said...

yeah send joop a message has been updated....it just goes to connection timeout now.

5/22/2006 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

actual there is one new thing that is a hidden text box under "JOOPS CORNER" banner on the upper left.

5/22/2006 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger drominore said...

Wamp and others: The reason I am interested is that up until now I have always had some kind of flickering over the wording on joops page. Coming in from what ever seems to have cleared that up. Also the send button seems to now be timing out when you used to be able to put anything in.

Drom

5/22/2006 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger blue elephant said...

it times out when you're not logged in from the Newsletter section. I guess.

5/22/2006 11:25:00 AM  
Blogger milk93rd said...

Has the text box underneath the Joop's Corner banner in the top left of the screen always been there and I missed it?

5/22/2006 11:25:00 AM  
Blogger mummifiedstalin said...

I was checking for a match with the picture of the guy in the "Press Release" in "Worldwide Wellness," and I noticed that the word "miracle" in the text has a hyperlink. I can't get it to go anywhere, though.

Is this old news?

5/22/2006 11:25:00 AM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

not true
i have "sent" a message twice in the last 2 mins from two url's. you must be doing something wrong.

5/22/2006 11:26:00 AM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

mirical is old news sorry

5/22/2006 11:27:00 AM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

"miracle"

5/22/2006 11:27:00 AM  
Blogger milk93rd said...

and have you always been able to see the 'phantom' image from the joop webcam when you click back and forth from the corner to the webcam?

I feel like an idiot if I never noticed THAT before...

5/22/2006 11:28:00 AM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

yeah look at some screen caps and other clues about joop.. these where some of the first clues.

5/22/2006 11:29:00 AM  
Blogger Karl said...

Sorry drominore, it does that if you enter the site from *anything*.thehansofoundation.org.

5/22/2006 11:29:00 AM  
Blogger beanpolekt said...

i see nothing new with joop westendgirl....

5/22/2006 11:29:00 AM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

like i say the only new thing i have seen is the hidden text box. under "joops corner"

5/22/2006 11:30:00 AM  
Blogger drominore said...

Yea, egg on my face.. I didn't notice I was still on from the ny.thehansofoundation.org document root. Maybe it really is lunchtime!

Drom

5/22/2006 11:30:00 AM  
Blogger Erich said...

If you flip the image horizontally, the writing in the hairline appears to read "Twin!"

What do you think?

5/22/2006 11:31:00 AM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

so back to the pic please

5/22/2006 11:31:00 AM  
Blogger Sara said...

Someone posted earlier that when they did something with the edges and moved the contrast up to sharp contrast, the picture looked like a floor plan of sorts? Can someone post that picture (I accidentally deleted photoshop off my computer, or else I would happily do so), or has it already been posted?

Much thanks!

5/22/2006 11:34:00 AM  
Blogger Kenshiro2012 said...

The reason that you are getting the timeouts and not seeing the Persephone's scrawl is that the http://ny.thehansofoundation.org/ does not have the cached info that http://thehansofoundation.org/ has. Once you go and log in on the newsletter page, the website is reset and you can (try) to send Joop messages etc. I hope this helps!

5/22/2006 11:36:00 AM  
Blogger insomnis said...

probably old news, but the rss feed says the following:

Peter Thompson fil updated:
Born in Terre Haute, Indiana in 1959, Peter Thompson earned degrees from Loyola University and The University of Chicago Law School before embarking on a successful career as a corporate attorney - until a lifetime of smoking left Thompson with an impossible prognosis: inoperable lung and pancreatic cancer.

5/22/2006 11:42:00 AM  
Blogger jorge said...

I think it has something to do with the file name... any ideas?

5/22/2006 11:42:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Anyone notice Joop? He appears to be looking down or his eyes are closed/missing!! Missing Organs?

Namaste

5/22/2006 11:44:00 AM  
Blogger Archaic Dome said...

Courtesy of Speaker (who, personally I don't trust), on the Save Joop site, Peter Thompson, Geneva, Switzerland signed the petition, along with Speaker, Alabama... Also, the pic kinda looks like JFK, Jr. Long shot, but quite a resemblance. Has any one maybe thought about looking at the lines used to create the picture kinda like a bar code? I'm technologically challenged, so I have no idea how, but also worth exploring?

5/22/2006 11:45:00 AM  
Blogger katlevosb said...

Two...Twin...Hmmm...Marvin Candle? Wickman? Clone. One missing right arm in the hatch orientation film but arm is intact in the Pearl orientation film... Two names...two films...three arms...Could it possibly be...

5/22/2006 11:46:00 AM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

pancreatic cancer. missing organs?

5/22/2006 11:46:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Insomnis, It is from his bio on the bio page, nothing new really, strange it is on the RSS now though...

5/22/2006 11:47:00 AM  
Blogger yalan said...

check this out.
http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?c66d5c53e3.jpg

5/22/2006 11:49:00 AM  
Blogger blue elephant said...

haha, ahmet... what the hell did you do with it? :D

5/22/2006 11:50:00 AM  
Blogger miguel said...

inoperable lung?

What about the Institute for Genomic Advancement where you have a picture of an infected lung?

And isn't the doctor on this page the one that appears on joops webcam?

I guess this part of the site is the next move...

5/22/2006 11:51:00 AM  
Blogger jorge said...

ahmet, what is that image you posted?

5/22/2006 11:51:00 AM  
Blogger llos17 said...

Does anyone think that the guy in the pic looks like the guy in the suit on the island in the first series? Might b completley off point but he was the first person I thought about, but then seems 2easy!

5/22/2006 11:51:00 AM  
Blogger insomnis said...

thought so two

in the low-left corner there is a hidden button you all of course discovered yet :) when you push it, the background circles and colours change --> is there already an explanation or theory why this happens or is it just something estethic?

5/22/2006 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

ok, if were still looking for words in the hair, could that first word be liddy? it sure looks to me like the first letters could be Li.

5/22/2006 11:53:00 AM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

the guy in the suit in the first season was jacks dad and he was dead.

5/22/2006 11:54:00 AM  
Blogger miguel said...

Also, the images of the "cells" look very much alike the "game" we play (connect the dots) when sending joops a message. I think the research on joop was the key that helped cure thompson. Also, thompson and Hugh weren't getting along to weel, and who's behind the joop's project? :)

5/22/2006 11:55:00 AM  
Blogger yalan said...

I used "polar coordinates" in photoshop and got that picture.

5/22/2006 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Is it just me or when you type in any words beneath Joop's banner they don't send, just dissapear. Is there something else we have to push to send?

5/22/2006 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

yeah i noticed that but in fact its a multi lined text box meaning when you hit enter is just goes to the next line so if you press the page up botton you see what you wrote.

5/22/2006 11:58:00 AM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

so how do you send?

5/22/2006 11:59:00 AM  
Blogger SueMay said...

I right clicked this image to check to see if it was animated (I hate things that jump out at me) but I noticed at the bottom of the properties page it said:

Alternate Text: Missing

Is this man missing? Or is this merely an obvious comment on the state of this man's face?

5/22/2006 12:01:00 PM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

has anyone tried zooming in, the picture could be made up of text like the matrix type of stuff

5/22/2006 12:04:00 PM  
Blogger Karl said...

Neither, it just means they didnt put anything in for the images lternate text. Its the same with most pictures on the web.

5/22/2006 12:04:00 PM  
Blogger Alex said...

No you nailed it, it's Hugh Mcintyre.His picture is now Missing!

5/22/2006 12:04:00 PM  
Blogger minipulator said...

No steganography in the image as far as I can tell.

5/22/2006 12:05:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Lazy Guy said...

Haha, the alternate text "Missing". That comes up on any picture without alternate text.

5/22/2006 12:07:00 PM  
Blogger Teeps2k said...

I see Joop in his hair, especially if I mess with the image.

5/22/2006 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger Luv1 said...

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5/22/2006 12:14:00 PM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

luv1 wrong send.

javy no send that i can see.

5/22/2006 12:15:00 PM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

and it does look like kennedy

5/22/2006 12:16:00 PM  
Blogger harv4eva said...

q9als2002.gif

maybe it's to do with the name of the file?

5/22/2006 12:17:00 PM  
Blogger Kayweed said...

Peter Thompson signed the Save Joop petition.....

5/22/2006 12:19:00 PM  
Blogger dot136 said...

I took this screencap on Joop's page. Does anyone else see someone in it? The black image kept appearing a few moments after I sent Joop a message and went through looking at the documents.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g197/dot136/Picture-3.jpg

5/22/2006 12:19:00 PM  
Blogger icallwindow said...

THE TEXT BOX UNDER JOOP'S CORNER HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE.


Just so you know. It's nothing new, and as of yet hasn't been assigned any function. (Somone deconstructed the flash file at one point.)

5/22/2006 12:19:00 PM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

take file name encode into base 64 get cTlhbHMyMDAyLmdpZg==

5/22/2006 12:20:00 PM  
Blogger Travis said...

Stenography?

5/22/2006 12:21:00 PM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

thanks icallwindow

5/22/2006 12:21:00 PM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

cTlhbHMyMDAyLmdpZg==

5/22/2006 12:22:00 PM  
Blogger miguel said...

"lung cancer" must mean something

5/22/2006 12:22:00 PM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

"g==" could be "s"

5/22/2006 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

lets try and see what we get out of this cTlhbHMyMDAyLmdpZg== and remember like the last one "g==" could equal "s"
i got this by taking the pic's file name and converting it to BASE64

5/22/2006 12:24:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

People, please read the entire post before posting something that has been said, it becomes tiresome to re-read things...

Thank you and Namaste

5/22/2006 12:26:00 PM  
Blogger harv4eva said...

the pic is alvar hanso just compare it to the shady pic of him IMO

5/22/2006 12:26:00 PM  
Blogger miguel said...

yep, the "g" "s" problem.

Does luns cancer make an anagram for anything?

5/22/2006 12:27:00 PM  
Blogger WeLoveCov said...

Multiple people have confirmed the image is not stegged.

I think Ahmet is on to something - look how the edges of the polar coordinates image he made line-up:
http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?c66d5c53e3.jpg
Pretty perfect, eh?

Elsewhere I've seen this pic called a "map" - if Ahmet has figured out the correct way to view it, what is it a map of/to?

5/22/2006 12:29:00 PM  
Blogger Jack said...

lymph and cyst can both come out of the letter combination cTlhbHMyMDAyLmdpZgs, but that combination doesn't seem to be an anagram for a coherent phrase

5/22/2006 12:29:00 PM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

i know it's longshot but it kinda reminds me of Christian Shepard in his death suit

5/22/2006 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

ok

5/22/2006 12:31:00 PM  
Blogger The Laughing Cavalier said...

dot136, that's the outline of the doctor on the Mental Health Appeal section of the site... someone's already torn it apart and found the image hidden in the flash.

If you go here:

http://www.thelostexperience.com/2006/05/the_man_behind_the_ape.php

You'll find the image. It's pretty freaky.

5/22/2006 12:32:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Ahmet,

What if you reversed the pole coordinates, say due to magnetic research...what would it look like then?

5/22/2006 12:33:00 PM  
Blogger Ash said...

"q9als2002."
Look at the "al" Part.
Doesn't that sound like the start of a name.
And did'nt persephone say that Certain someone has'nt made an appearence since 2002


(If ure still stuck "supposed some1" is hanso)

5/22/2006 12:36:00 PM  
Blogger bgoal said...

I see the polar -coordinate image as an arm and hand coming from the bottom right holding a globe type-object.... notice the break in the rays in that lower right corner

5/22/2006 12:36:00 PM  
Blogger miguel said...

Let's see. We've got Lung Cancer and a mysterious cure. The we got joop living so many years. Then, on the WWP Press Release we have the word "miracle" clickable. And the guy in the photo i think it's the same one from the new image.

Finnally: The file name refers to Alvar Last Seen in 2002. And we have on the map that location that gives us the strange code. Any clue?

5/22/2006 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger sandman said...

Ahmet's picture looks like two things to me. It looks like either a baby in a mother's womb being born or an elephant with sitting on his bottom and his trunk in the air.

5/22/2006 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

'I'm in NY' maybe?

Is that where Alvar is?

5/22/2006 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Lazy Guy said...

Speaker said that we're not looking at the image correctly. Now how are we supposed to look at it correctly?

5/22/2006 12:44:00 PM  
Blogger Idolwild said...

OK getting really wacky here but:
- import into PS
- delete white areas
- copy 4 times onto seperate layers
- rotate each to face different directions
- then align all by vert and horz centers
you get:
http://www.deplonty.com/propeller.jpg

Probably just a coincidence, but that's a pretty good propeller.

5/22/2006 12:45:00 PM  
Blogger harcar2001 said...

it looks like an eyeball to me

5/22/2006 12:45:00 PM  
Blogger hypes blog said...

so go in ps and try all possible filters that you have it..
guys we have to stay down-to-eart.
not such abstract theories please
max

5/22/2006 12:47:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

I agree with Hypes, do not over think things, we missed this clue from 'a mouse....' Speaker is pointing us in a direction, he even said 'someone FINALLY found this clue' so it must have been there for a while...

5/22/2006 12:50:00 PM  
Blogger Jaybird said...

I also had the same idea as Ahmet. I made mine square and to me it looks like a swan but not THE swan.

swan/map?

5/22/2006 12:52:00 PM  
Blogger =ripvan= said...

I think it simply says: "I'm out"

"out of what", I have no idea....

5/22/2006 12:55:00 PM  
Blogger The Laughing Cavalier said...

hiya... has anyone noticed how the electromagnetism research area of the hanso site now tracks the x/y coordinates of your mouse as you move it round the screen? have a look, don't know if it has any use yet... and the date next to the picture now says october 62, 9291 (date?)

5/22/2006 12:56:00 PM  
Blogger miguel said...

The word on his hair is definitly "joop"

5/22/2006 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger hypes blog said...

The Laughing Cavalier
the clue we got 5 days ago or so...
sorry such comments are annoying reade the wHOLE site

5/22/2006 12:58:00 PM  
Blogger The Laughing Cavalier said...

jeeze, sorry. guess i missed that part. no need to get all stressy...

5/22/2006 01:02:00 PM  
Blogger Branden said...

Hey, has anyone tried to look at the image by relaxing their eyes? I can never see pictures that way, but maybe someone else will have better luck.

5/22/2006 01:02:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Miguel, I'm still not convinced it says joop, but we should explore it further.

5/22/2006 01:02:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Lazy Guy said...

Exactly. If it was that easy to just say "oh, that's Joop" wouldn't you think we would know what to do next?

Maybe the hair is a red herring?

5/22/2006 01:06:00 PM  
Blogger denigma said...

I think it does say Joop.

And if you go to Joop's page and print it on the printer. A man's face is where Joop's webcam usually is. If you go to the Active Projects section of the site and click on Mental Health Appeal - BINGO - the same man appears at the top left. Also (and I may have missed it before), if you click on the link in the bottom right by "Inquire Today", it pops out a box to enter some text "about yourself". But nothing happens no matter what I put in.

5/22/2006 01:07:00 PM  
Blogger The Laughing Cavalier said...

It looks more like "Im DrT"... but to be completely honest I think that this is a red herring. I don't think we're supposed to "read" the image in that way. Maybe they meant converting into a different format... What about opening the image up in a text programme like notepad and trawling through some of that text? I couldn't get anything when I did but maybe someone else will get it.

5/22/2006 01:08:00 PM  
Blogger Karl said...

I agree, it doesnt look anything like Joop.

5/22/2006 01:08:00 PM  
Blogger =ripvan= said...

I'm still convinced... it just says "I'm Out"...

though you are right, the hair could possibly be a red herring... I mean if we really "look" for letters... there is a lowercase "R" in the tie... BUT I am still convinced that with all the "missing" hints/employees/alvar/the pics face ... it says "I'm Out".... whadya think?
take a look : http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f373/johnnylung/q9als2002_invert.gif

5/22/2006 01:13:00 PM  
Blogger Wamp Rat said...

I swear this clue has made people turn dumb. How many repeated / 'Wow I found a new (very old) clue" postings do you want to make.

Sorry - feeling bitter coz I can't work out the pic :(

5/22/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Blogger The Laughing Cavalier said...

i can see what you mean about "Im Out" but the fact that there isn't a clearly interpretable word in the hair, just makes me feel that we're clutching at straws a bit. They wouldn't make such a crucial part of this puzzle so difficult and ambiguous. I think we need to find a new approach.

5/22/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Blogger maddogAA said...

I think there aer letters in the picture's gray and white areas. If you have it open in Photo Editor and go to (97, 525) there is a "T", (90, 543) there is a "j"

5/22/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Blogger hypes blog said...

i think we search at the wrong place... dont know why bad feeling...
the "word in the head" theorie seems to me like nonesense
max

5/22/2006 01:19:00 PM  
Blogger illuminarok said...

reminds me of John F. Kennedy

5/22/2006 01:23:00 PM  
Blogger Jaybird said...

Anyone know what q9als2002 stands for? Alvo's last public appearance? By the way, if his last appearance was in December of '02 then why does the date under his photo say '03?

5/22/2006 01:26:00 PM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

dose this mean anything to anyone
GAD BY PC LTD HMM MHZ SLY

5/22/2006 01:30:00 PM  
Blogger NYStingRay said...

utherpindraco,

before we spend anytime on it, where did that come from?

5/22/2006 01:31:00 PM  
Blogger chaseblogger@hotmail.com said...

utherpindraco,

should it mean anything to anyone??

How an all out effort on the file name just for something fresh

5/22/2006 01:32:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Lazy Guy said...

jaybird, when you go through that Hanso thing with Persephone, she says something like "couldn't that be anyone else," implying that it's not really hanso in that pic

5/22/2006 01:35:00 PM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

no! just tring to get the juices flowing

5/22/2006 01:35:00 PM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

kepa has a point.

5/22/2006 01:36:00 PM  
Blogger NYStingRay said...

utherpindraco

stay focused or take your fingers off the keyboard

5/22/2006 01:38:00 PM  
Blogger The Laughing Cavalier said...

persephone has left some posts on isidetheexperience saying that savejoop.com is actually where we need to look, that we need to search for 8211 (which I've found is in the source code) and that that will unlock the key to the picture

5/22/2006 01:38:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Lazy Guy said...

woo! I have a point and I'm not quite sure what it is. What point have I made?

5/22/2006 01:39:00 PM  
Blogger utherpindraco said...

lol

5/22/2006 01:39:00 PM  
Blogger RNT said...

could it be ASCII data encoded in the black-and-white sequence? That seems plausible.

5/22/2006 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Lazy Guy said...

hey cav...
isn't savejoop.com a fansite?

5/22/2006 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger chaseblogger@hotmail.com said...

let us suppose for a moment that the clue is in the filename. Then let us suppose that ALS2002 means A.lvar L.ast S.een in 2002. What then would the 'q9' reference mean?

5/22/2006 01:41:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Lazy Guy said...

chase, good idea.
Hopefully that will keep us focussed :)

q9...

5/22/2006 01:42:00 PM  
Blogger chaseblogger@hotmail.com said...

of course we can always wait until the commercial comes on Wed night and just gives it away. . . :(

5/22/2006 01:43:00 PM  
Blogger The Laughing Cavalier said...

that's what i thought, but she's being quite insistant over on their message board. i'm confused myself... talking all this with a pinch of salt (because it could be some prankster messing with us), i looked at the source code for savejoop.com and found a list of people signed up to it, a few of which have this number persephone gave to us next to them: 8211

Cindi Kievit – Pennsauken, NJ USA
Chay MacTavish – Sydney, Australia
Criss ‘Smuj’ Richards – Macclesfield UK
Brian Heckethorn – Leesburg, VA, USA
Lauren B. Edmonson – Ft Worth, TX – USA
Kacey Nolle – Washington, DC
Nicholas C. Stephenson – Knoxville, TN USA
Jaclyn H. Stephenson – Knoxville, TN USA

I really hope this isn't someone just messing us around...

5/22/2006 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Lazy Guy said...

http://www.q9.com/

5/22/2006 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger ashenik said...

The white negative space looks somewhat like a seahorse or regular equine from profile. (Not sure how relevant that is, but this image is full of optical illusions.) Another popular mention would be its resemblance to John Jr.; and I would agree to that one. Though, WHY? - Plane crashes, six degrees of separation?

I've read all the comments and seen all the links to warped images.

The 'glowing egg' looks a little like a religious painting to me. Nothing cite-able, however. Or, we've got the elephant theory... In some cultures, one with its trunk raised means good luck. Be that the case, why is it so far off to one side? I don't think this will lead anywhere.

Oh, and I really don't see "Joop" in his hairline anywhere.

Using all these different imaging programs might be considered 'reading too deep'.

This picture isn't very accurate in terms of light/shadow or angle.

5/22/2006 01:45:00 PM  
Blogger The Laughing Cavalier said...

someone else has just done the same over at insidetheexperience and put it up in an image which they've put here:

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/8375/pic7lm.jpg

5/22/2006 01:46:00 PM  
Blogger RNT said...

Oh, and kepa: I think when Persephone said "It doesn't match anyone else?", she only meant that all the other pictures are full-color quality close-ups, and Hanso's picture doesn't match the others.

5/22/2006 01:46:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

The problem with that blog is that anyone can make up a name then post it, no passwords or anything, so I take it to be false, they (the producers) are too smart to give it away there...could the q9 mean quadrant 9? just a guess!

5/22/2006 01:47:00 PM  
Blogger zuko said...

laughing cavalier, don't believe anything posted by 'persephone' on insidetheexperience... there is no log in so anyone can leave comments under that name

back on track, i agree with above comments that we should definitely focus on the filename for a change. think about it people, all the other clues have been rock-solid right or wrong answers, no 'oh it looks a bit like joop' or 'a bit like NY'

5/22/2006 01:49:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

jaybird: 02 is his last public appearance... the picture is taken from the ground through the windows of a building... not a public appearance and we can't assume that he is even really Alvar Hanso.


utherpindraco: what's that?

5/22/2006 01:49:00 PM  
Blogger chaseblogger@hotmail.com said...

were there quadrants on the island? If so, could that be where Hanso is being detained, or hiding out, or buried??

5/22/2006 01:50:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Lazy Guy said...

thrasher, that's what I was thinking in regards to quadrants and quarters. However, 9 quarters?

5/22/2006 01:51:00 PM  
Blogger The Laughing Cavalier said...

actually they've come to the same conclusion over at insidetheexperience... damnit, I felt a swell of excitement for a minute then. :(

5/22/2006 01:52:00 PM  
Blogger RNT said...

What about the favicon image (http://hole2.thehansofoundation.org/favicon.ico)? Could that be a clue? It's either the icon of a red gear or a red sun.

5/22/2006 01:52:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

speaker says were "looking at it the wrong way". what if that means were supposed to look at the picture as being something *other than* a picture of a guy with a whited out face?

5/22/2006 01:54:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Lazy Guy said...

rnt, that's the same icon for persephone's site.

5/22/2006 01:54:00 PM  
Blogger chaseblogger@hotmail.com said...

firesign,

I personally think that the image itslef might be the red herring

5/22/2006 01:55:00 PM  
Blogger ashenik said...

So, a few people have said to watch the file name for changes, right? "q9als2002" is gif - Both created and modified today. And, according to Properties, "HyperText Transfer Protocol."

I'm technologically challenged. What's that mean?

5/22/2006 01:57:00 PM  
Blogger Fat Lazy Guy said...

and also, firesign, you misquoted. He said "But they're not looking at it correctly." It may seem like symantics, but you can garner a lot more information out of "wrong way" than "correctly".

5/22/2006 01:58:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

chase,
you could well be right.
ashenik -
you know when you type http: at the beginning of a web address? http = HyperText Transfer Protocol. its just the way the server and your browser communicate, basically.

5/22/2006 01:59:00 PM  
Blogger locked on lost said...

I think the white in the middle of the face, including the hairline looks like a horse with its mane. If you darken the edge effects you can see it clearer. If this is correct where does the horse come in? Does anyone else see it?

5/22/2006 02:00:00 PM  
Blogger Wamp Rat said...

Cavalier, & # 8211 is the HTML code for a dash '–'. Nothing more, nothing less

5/22/2006 02:01:00 PM  
Blogger aC said...

i was just typing the same thing wamp :) good thing i refreshed

5/22/2006 02:01:00 PM  
Blogger The Laughing Cavalier said...

yeah i know, speaker's just cleared all that up. bad bad people stirring things up. tut.

5/22/2006 02:02:00 PM  
Blogger chaseblogger@hotmail.com said...

So gang (of strangers I don't really know but somehow manage to consume most of my work day with), we aren't actually stumped are we?

5/22/2006 02:02:00 PM  
Blogger ashenik said...

Locked On Lost -
I said that...and now it just hit me: Kate's horse?

FireSign -
Thanks. Brain fart moment!

5/22/2006 02:02:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

kepa -
i think thats stretching things a bit, personally, but it does not change the gist of my post.

5/22/2006 02:02:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

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5/22/2006 02:03:00 PM  
Blogger locked on lost said...

ashenik, I'm sorry - I didn't see your post earlier... I thought of Kate's horse too, but can't tie it in to this part of the game!

5/22/2006 02:03:00 PM  
Blogger heisnothing said...

"He is nothing. He is no one." - Henry Gale

He was Last Seen in 2002. He is Alvar Hanso.

5/22/2006 02:05:00 PM  

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