Clue #38 - Persephone (11) Hole 2, Photo
Persephone posted another message at persephone.thehansofoundation.org . This time is just said "2". Since she was talking about mouse holes the other day, we tried this: hole2.thehansofoundation.org .
Who is it? Some have been saying Marvin Candle but we don't think so, do you? A new character? What do you think it means?
The Speaker over at "insidetheexperience" (i.e. the ABC mouthpiece) is being very mysterious about how we should "read" this picture. Who will be the first to "decode" it? Send us an email if you get it.
EDIT:
We just wanted to say "GOOD WORK" to everyone chatting in the comments and sending us emails. We've considered a lot of options and aren't completely sold on the legitimacy of anything just yet. Maybe Persephone will give us more on Tuesday. We're going to call it a night but will check back first thing in the morning. Remember to EMAIL if anything develops.
*Thanks Jim, Chris, Darla, Robyn, Matt, Jake, John, Alana, Oliver, Andrea, Danny (and more!) for helping with this clue.
184 Comments:
if you ask me it looks like either Jacob Vanderfield or Lawrence Peck.
http://www.insidetheexperience.com/2006/05/a_couple_of_thi.html
"People have finally found this. But they're not looking at it correctly."
hmmm...
I think so to Tripura someone pointed out they see the word Joop in it. I think it might be a optical illusion myself. however I noticed what looked like a j or a t also.
also the man in the picture seems to be 'missing organs'... his eyes!
I tried to invert the colours, flip it around, but nothing... maybe someone with a better eye should do it.
There's no mouth, no eyes, no nose.
Hugh was the mouthpiece clue... maybe that means it's definitely not Hugh? Are there other people that are somehow related to these body parts?
For fear of being a pain, I missed how we came to this clue. I have persephone.thehansofoundation.org up, where do you find the clue '2'?
Then what?
I knew I should have taken my laptop with me while I was away!!
Namaste!
If you look at the guys hair and squint it looks like it reads 'I'm in NY'
Anyone else see it?
Namaste
I"m going to try to zooming several times and see there are any hidden words and what not. But I think the filename and face missing are the 'real' clues here.
*intentionaly not saying namaste*
Has anyone tried to flip the image so that it's a mirror of itself and then view a few it a fiew time smaller than actual size? It looks to me like there is something written in his hair. . . I just don't have a decent photo editor here at work to do the job. Just an idea.
sorry thrasher, didn't see you posted the something similar. But what the heck does it really say?
I have it printed out and I am trying some things with the image, It might be latin or like I said before Im in NY or NV or KY. It is not Candle, that is for sure, they don't match up when you overlap them.
Peace
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Dutchy,
Can you post the image you created/found, would like to see it for myself, I don't have corel at work. I know I should be working and not playing this game.
Chase, no worries.
haha!
remember the jesus illusion?
http://www.coolopticalillusions.com/jesusillusion.htm
perhaps this is something like that? I will upload an colour-inverted picture in a sec.
I fliped the image, and it looks very much like the letter "j". By the way, in his new post, the speaker says we're not looking correctly at the picture, but also mention joop's petition. I guess something involving joop pages is the key for the next step.
Image result:
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/miguel.nogueira/newimage.jpg
I used "neon glow" at photoshop and i think "jump" is written in the hair.
there you go --
http://img419.imageshack.us/img419/7946/hmmmm4mj.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/elehpant/hmmmm.jpg
:D
I'm not sure if anyone has noticed but if you click on Joop's corner there is an image flashing through on the words next to his picture.
Jorge, that has been there for some time now, still no use for it.
Drom, I am seeing that possiblity as well, but I am leaning more towards, Im in NY or something similar...
Aldo, if you decode "als" as base64 it gives u the letter "j"
If you go to the save Joop site Peter Thompason signed it, #315...hmmm, could be anyone, but I think we are being pointed to Joop for some reason.
Also use "polar coordinates" and you get something like the hanso logo and i think i see "i'm lost" in the middle.
Speaker told us about Joop. And Joop's Corner became weird.
This is not a coincidence.
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it times out when you're not logged in from the Newsletter section. I guess.
I was checking for a match with the picture of the guy in the "Press Release" in "Worldwide Wellness," and I noticed that the word "miracle" in the text has a hyperlink. I can't get it to go anywhere, though.
Is this old news?
Anyone notice Joop? He appears to be looking down or his eyes are closed/missing!! Missing Organs?
Namaste
Courtesy of Speaker (who, personally I don't trust), on the Save Joop site, Peter Thompson, Geneva, Switzerland signed the petition, along with Speaker, Alabama... Also, the pic kinda looks like JFK, Jr. Long shot, but quite a resemblance. Has any one maybe thought about looking at the lines used to create the picture kinda like a bar code? I'm technologically challenged, so I have no idea how, but also worth exploring?
Insomnis, It is from his bio on the bio page, nothing new really, strange it is on the RSS now though...
check this out.
http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?c66d5c53e3.jpg
haha, ahmet... what the hell did you do with it? :D
inoperable lung?
What about the Institute for Genomic Advancement where you have a picture of an infected lung?
And isn't the doctor on this page the one that appears on joops webcam?
I guess this part of the site is the next move...
Also, the images of the "cells" look very much alike the "game" we play (connect the dots) when sending joops a message. I think the research on joop was the key that helped cure thompson. Also, thompson and Hugh weren't getting along to weel, and who's behind the joop's project? :)
I used "polar coordinates" in photoshop and got that picture.
Haha, the alternate text "Missing". That comes up on any picture without alternate text.
I took this screencap on Joop's page. Does anyone else see someone in it? The black image kept appearing a few moments after I sent Joop a message and went through looking at the documents.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g197/dot136/Picture-3.jpg
"lung cancer" must mean something
People, please read the entire post before posting something that has been said, it becomes tiresome to re-read things...
Thank you and Namaste
yep, the "g" "s" problem.
Does luns cancer make an anagram for anything?
lymph and cyst can both come out of the letter combination cTlhbHMyMDAyLmdpZgs, but that combination doesn't seem to be an anagram for a coherent phrase
Ahmet,
What if you reversed the pole coordinates, say due to magnetic research...what would it look like then?
Let's see. We've got Lung Cancer and a mysterious cure. The we got joop living so many years. Then, on the WWP Press Release we have the word "miracle" clickable. And the guy in the photo i think it's the same one from the new image.
Finnally: The file name refers to Alvar Last Seen in 2002. And we have on the map that location that gives us the strange code. Any clue?
Ahmet's picture looks like two things to me. It looks like either a baby in a mother's womb being born or an elephant with sitting on his bottom and his trunk in the air.
'I'm in NY' maybe?
Is that where Alvar is?
Speaker said that we're not looking at the image correctly. Now how are we supposed to look at it correctly?
it looks like an eyeball to me
I agree with Hypes, do not over think things, we missed this clue from 'a mouse....' Speaker is pointing us in a direction, he even said 'someone FINALLY found this clue' so it must have been there for a while...
The word on his hair is definitly "joop"
Miguel, I'm still not convinced it says joop, but we should explore it further.
Exactly. If it was that easy to just say "oh, that's Joop" wouldn't you think we would know what to do next?
Maybe the hair is a red herring?
reminds me of John F. Kennedy
utherpindraco,
should it mean anything to anyone??
How an all out effort on the file name just for something fresh
jaybird, when you go through that Hanso thing with Persephone, she says something like "couldn't that be anyone else," implying that it's not really hanso in that pic
woo! I have a point and I'm not quite sure what it is. What point have I made?
could it be ASCII data encoded in the black-and-white sequence? That seems plausible.
hey cav...
isn't savejoop.com a fansite?
let us suppose for a moment that the clue is in the filename. Then let us suppose that ALS2002 means A.lvar L.ast S.een in 2002. What then would the 'q9' reference mean?
chase, good idea.
Hopefully that will keep us focussed :)
q9...
of course we can always wait until the commercial comes on Wed night and just gives it away. . . :(
http://www.q9.com/
Oh, and kepa: I think when Persephone said "It doesn't match anyone else?", she only meant that all the other pictures are full-color quality close-ups, and Hanso's picture doesn't match the others.
The problem with that blog is that anyone can make up a name then post it, no passwords or anything, so I take it to be false, they (the producers) are too smart to give it away there...could the q9 mean quadrant 9? just a guess!
were there quadrants on the island? If so, could that be where Hanso is being detained, or hiding out, or buried??
thrasher, that's what I was thinking in regards to quadrants and quarters. However, 9 quarters?
What about the favicon image (http://hole2.thehansofoundation.org/favicon.ico)? Could that be a clue? It's either the icon of a red gear or a red sun.
rnt, that's the same icon for persephone's site.
firesign,
I personally think that the image itslef might be the red herring
and also, firesign, you misquoted. He said "But they're not looking at it correctly." It may seem like symantics, but you can garner a lot more information out of "wrong way" than "correctly".
So gang (of strangers I don't really know but somehow manage to consume most of my work day with), we aren't actually stumped are we?
What does q9 mean? That's the only unexplainable thing about the filename so far. What does it mean?
heir apparent was the password to obtain the mittlewerk clue. An 'Heir Apparent' in most cases, is someone who is set to take the throne after the death of the king. I think that was just a clue to give us some motive from mittlewerk.
chase, I agree.
There seems to be alot of intersecting lines on the page after talking to joop. I am going down the quadrants path for now, using the map lock drew and a screen cap from the show to see if goes anywhere...who knows maybe we will get lucky...keep on pluging away Scoobies!!
Namaste
What does it mean? I dispise my work PC, I have no tools to work with here!! GDSB!!
I guess I will jsut wait and use my brain!
Namaste
I searched q9 on the wiki and got redirected to an old british comedy. .
jaybird,
word.
mamakau, there are some programs that can do almost everything photoshop can do that are for free. search yahoo for the gimp. I use it. It's great. I can't afford photoshop.
choff,
excellent work! I've been suspecting the that bastard had a hand in this!
*just messing with you...out of total frusteration with this one.
maybe we just have to wait for further instruction or clues from persephone?
Yes, Kepa, "please stare at this image for 8 hours instead of work and await further instructions"...lol...I like it!!
What if it's a map? IF you look at the positve and negative space (white and black) the black same to not only take the form of a guy but it looks like a satellite image of an atoll to me.
I know who it is, it's Vincent. That's right, the dog is behind everything...
IT'S BEEN THERE FOR AGES AND IT DOESN'T WORK!
WOO HOO!
Sorry, lack of sleep.
mamakau, but the width of the face doesn't seem to match.
sorry to go back to the image, but what if there is something in the hair, but it's not actually a real word. What if it's a password to the Board of Directors? Or the Login down the bottom?
I saw the horse, too. It looks like the Horshead Nebula. Have no idea how that could ever fit in though... Getting nothing else done again today. Wonder what effect this game is having on the GDP....
Belly - I couldn't agree more! I have read every word of every clue and every comment, so I feel for those of us that have to read the same things over and over and over....
On that note, I'm surprised dedjetzer hasn't commented again this post, because it's getting rediculously long.
Agree, Belly. I always, ALWAYS read all the posts in a thread and if it's one I've poseted on before then I go back to where I posted last and read all the way down. There is no other way to keep up.
wait a second. . .the guy in this picture has NO FACE!
Hopefully this recent wave of hilarity has left us. I guarantee you someone makes a crack about this maybe 4, 8, 15 posts later...
You are wise young Jedi!
Did someone mention there was a clue today with a faceless man? LMAO!!
At least we can laugh together as we get a bit punch drunk on this clue...
Namaste!
if you click on properties of the image it says the alternate text is "missing" in italics. Could that mean this is a pic of alvar hanso? isn't he missing?
going back to that idea of spelling out the filename qninealstwothousandtwo, I'm searching for anagrams, but I'm new to that. Anyone working on that?
Anyone else notice there is a 4 on the man's chin?
Uther, If I may call you that, thanks and purely plutonic!
If you have the map that lost made, there is a site that has it nailed, all the latin is translated, but there is a spot on this map that says do not travel beyond to far for 108, which is refering to puching the button within 108 seconds...at drum roll please...that nugget of information was firgured out midway into to season one!! Now I feel smart!! j/k
Email me and I can send it to you...
Namaste
I am going batty, the map that Locke made, not lost, although I am purely lost at my fantastic ability to type and proof read...
you can also get HANSO and TWIN out file name spelled out, but I'm still searching
sorry about that post. . .I"m with thrasher on the typing and proofing now.
I have done almost no work today, besides this darn clue, just reading this entire blog has been very entertaining...
This clue is like "Orions Belt" in Men in Black...the answer is around some cat somewhere...
Namaste!
Who is Alvor? j/k...
It could be that, but what good is that information, we know that already...
I think it has something to do with a picture inside the image, like one of those optical illusions, where some people see two people kissing, and another sees a vase. Only, in this picture, everyone sees a face, and we have to look differently at it to see the other pic. Maybe the horse everyone sees is actually supposed to be there.
Laughing Cav, I hole heartedly agree, but I must digress, it has been entertaining today...sometimes this stuff gets too serious for me...if we don't figure it out today it will be there tomorrow, the world will not end if we don't...
I need a break anyway...
Namaste
Looks like there's something written on his forhead.
I'm done! I can't take it anymore!
...there's something written on his forehead...
please read the post before posting something on it...I beg you...
Namaste!
Yeah!! Lostluvr29 has come to the table with a new idea...but alas my brain is fried and I am going home to my life...until Wed.
Peace and Namaste!
good job chongo...
I see the M! clearly well the "M!" part, I don't see the "THE" part, but I"m an idiot.
M is the thirteenth letter of the alphabet so maybe 13?
or
1000 in roman numerals...
maybe this M business is what we have to type on the new Joop invisible txt box?
Regarding the filename q9als2002.gif, q9 could be an abbreviation for quinine which is a drug used to treat amyotrophic lateral sclerosis or ALS.
No, I don't think this has anything to do with the game but it's amazing the patterns that you can find if you look for them.
I would suggest taking "cTlhbHMyMDAyIA" through a anagram generator. "q9als2002" as Base64 = cTlhbHMyMDAyIA. I personally dont have to time to shift through all of the anagrams.
Sam,
Please read the weekly recaps, everything you are looking for is there...
Uther,
Nice dedication...maybe we are experiment #627...lol
I turned mine into a cartoon face I can put on my 'fridge!!!
Or maybe even just ADMTHMAI since they are in caps... Hmmm... lots of work.
no offense, but who the hell is this speaker guy? just because he has a blog site doesn't mean he has all the answers. how the hell does he know what to do? laughing cavalier do whatever you want to, don't take this clown's advice.
Uther, You solved it!! MATH MAID!!
I just laughed out loud and my office mates gave me the eye!!
Too funny!!!
utherpindrac
Dont jump to conclusions... Cause you did not provide all the info. I did read all the posts. but all you put was something about mymday... which is only partial truths.. I was giving all the info.
Not only math maid but lots of things like "Mad At Him" There are like hundreds of anagrams.
Metz,
Speaker is the official Mouth Piece from ABC's site...you know ABC, right? The Company responsible for for all of this, ok well it is Disney, but still...
Sorry, this clue has me aggrivated and I have had a long Monday!!
Namaste
Right! My head hurts...but I like where dk's head is at, lots of anagrams...this clue is driving me crazy...wish I could sign up for the VIK Institute!
Namaste
I know this doesn't really add any detail to the face or help identify this person OR solve "the clue", but I think it does help rule out the lines as being a binary message or barcode or anything else.
When the photo is blurred just slightly using a gaussian blur, the rigid contrasting lines begin to look more and more like shades of gray and an actual BW photograph. To see what I mean, visit here:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7100/937/1600/blurred.jpg
Now, just to find the rest of that face....
Later Uther, I am out as well, until Wed., oh hell, I will be on here at somepoint tomorrow I am sure...
Peace and Namaste!
I'm going to repost one of my last comments cause i think we are going in exagerated paths. No way the "game" would be solved messing around with dificult operations on an image processing software. It just doens't make sense. So i guess, some of us should focus on this (i think it's more logical):
Let's see. We've got Lung Cancer and a mysterious cure. The we got joop living so many years. Then, on the WWP Press Release we have the word "miracle" clickable. And the guy in the photo i think it's the same one from the new image.
Finnally: The file name refers to Alvar Last Seen in 2002. And we have on the map that location that gives us the strange code. Any clue?
Captain, You have received the award for best laugh of the day!!
I'm not great with flash but maybe someone who is can try and extract the image that flickers behind the text in Joops corner where it says " Life extension project celebrates a milestone" (not the image behind teh live webcam). does anyone know if this has been done yet
Thomas- No
Level & chango- You can turn it any direction and it will still look like a bunch of lines!!!!
If you look at http://www.insidetheexperience.com/2006/05/a_couple_of_thi.html
he states that people are not looking at it correctly. Maybe you should not focus on the picture but the name of the picture. Focusing on the picture would be the obvious thing, and can come up with about anything.
Just my thoughts.
Here is one more person to check into...
Brian Porter...Walts stepdad.
http://www.geocities.com/lenaw70/compare.jpg
Here is a pic to see the two side by side.
I also think that Alvar connection is a good theory too.
If you invert the colors it looks like it says "I'm Next"
It says Jo op, JOOP! It's all about jooooooooooooooooooooooop!!! Seriously, Persephone told me face to face. I won a contest, and I totally got to meet her. She's totally ugly, but she said "Joop, joop joop...jjoopojpojpjojjoooojpjpo." So, I kinda figured everything is about Joop, and Alvar Hanso is an orangutan.
I also tried anagrams for that eariler today - all it did was drive me insane. . .returned WAAY to many to find something useful. Altough I did find some that said Hanso and Twin. Hmmm, I have a feeling of deja vu'. Could it be that I've typed this before...
the 8211 thing that some people have been referring to isn't a code for anything, its the code for a hyphen, so that hyphen comes up in the name on the site... nothing sinister or weird.
That horse shape still looks like the Horsehead Nebula to me. Can't see a connection though...
Bet the PTB are having quite a laugh right now!
"We FIANALLY stumped em'!"
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/scripts/flogin.php
jorge, ripped it from the flash on the site.. couple of other interesting things.. Such as passwords etc.. Let me give you a lil teaser of what I have found:
passwords = ["survivor guilt", "survivorguilt", "SURVIVOR GUILT", "SURVIVORGUILT"];
var userinput = login_thompson;
inputstate = "yougotthepassword";
var keyListener = new Object();
keyListener.onKeyUp = function ()
I dont know if I will give out the rest ;-)
jorge,
I know that was just a teaser.... I see all.... :-) I was just showing you an example of some of the things I can see.
Has anyone considered that g9als2002 is 2572002 on the G9 keypad and 25.7.2002 is a date? I've seen people posting that als = "alvar last seen", but persephone told us he was last seen in Madrid 31.12.2002, right?
So ... July 25, 2002. But I don't know what to do with that.
good luck
Could the word on the hair not be "joop" but "jeep"?
The question mark theory posted early can mean something. The image file size is= 1163 and if you decode that you get a question mark in the text box
By the way: we're talking about curing cancer right? Does the name Rose tell you anything?
OMG... If you flip the picture and then flip it again.. then flip it 2 more times.. Then add 1000 filters to it.. It kinda looks like my dog!!! It's amazing...
Wonder if anything new would pop out if you "pushed" the lines down from top to bottom or bottom to top so that all the white spaces were gone inbetween the gray segments? I don't have the tech to try it out.
Is it possible that some of us are trying too hard? I have no suggestions whatsoever, but I'm guessing it's more accessible than many of the ideas being posted here.
I think everyone needs to go to sleep, whichever time zone you're in, and come back to it around teatime, with fresh eyes, and agree with me that it's JFK, Jr and Persephone's just having a laugh. And I'm not believing anything Speaker says...he's one of them. Can anyone else smell the red herrings? I think I've figured out the cancer link, though. I've smoked almost a pack just reading this thread...
(also purposely never saying namaste)
Off topic, but I just noticed that when you're waiting for the intro thehansofoundation.org flash to load, the percentages randomly jump back to "the numbers" during the count up to 100%. Cool.
Autonomous:
Yes I decompiled the flash. That is where I got the link. There is also passwords in the decompiled flash. All the passwords in there however are old passwords. I dont think there will be a new one til they are ready to put it in there. For now: http://www.thehansofoundation.org/scripts/flogin.php is very interesting. Keep refreshing the page. seems the username is ahanso. The password is Base64 encoded, and the code generator is mwerk. Loved to hear your thoughts. Dont know if I can put my e-mail on here, but it's admin@dp3dcss.com
ratherbewater:
It did get pretty crazy over there. All I am trying to do is provide possible clues for people, and try to help them out. But not give them too much. Ehh.. oh well you win some you lose some.
Holy Frickin' crap. Wednesday night. Wow. That show's gonna be packed as well.
Also, with all the LOST star appearances it looks like ABC (or at least CC and DL) are TOTALLY pushing Jimmy Kimmel's show. Haven't seen this kind of support since it first began.
And the pic isn't of Kimmel. I think it's the old pic of Hugh McIntyre. Since he's appearing on tv, they've got to switch out the Getty Image of him for someone who'll be "believable."
But CRA-ZAY. We're gonna get in-person comments from the Hanso Foundation. I wonder if they're going to do a lil' play thing like Kimmel did with the snake bit with Grey's Anatomy cast.
The Speaker just talked about it too.
(and I've seen Excalibur a couple of times)
heres my best attempt at it:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Andrizzle/Picture.jpg
feel free to pass this around... just make sure you credit the pic to me
just in case that one doesnt work or is the uncropped version:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Andrizzle/Picture1.jpg
Wow this has got to be a new fraking record...450 comments. ( when I started writing this). 71 Comments and 2:49 time taken to read every comment.
So this is what happens when I hold my tounge for one complete day and don't make a comment about repeating comments... All fraking Hell Breaks Loose. Furthermore I would like to say I agree with the following people:
Rubygreeneyes, Thrasher76, Deannacat, Bellyofdesire, dk, ac, and Utherpindraco.
It's nice to know people got my back.
Now for the Awards section:
Most humorous Comment: Thelaughingcavalier: LLMFAO
Most Brilliant comment: Captain Obvious: Obvious
Best use of animals reference: DK... the "MY DOG" comment
Best use of Namaste: Archaicdome
And finally for the Most impressive and imaginative use of all clues from this clue:
Thomas said:
"So hold on folks and put your tray tables in the upright position. This is a message from Alazar that states. "I'm in my Horse" referring to the greek reference of the Trojan Horse. Alazar is letting Perephone (the daughter of Zeus and Demeter godess of the underworld, watcher of our evil company)know that he is alive and well waiting to attack those responsible for his company going out of control."
To anyone who posted here for the first time today.. I am seeking the financial resources and mafia connections to have hits put out on most of you (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE)...Just Kidding The swiss banks keep turning me down, and the mafia are sketchy. How hard is it to READ.. for the love of fraking christ on a rubber fraking crutch people...PLEAZZZZZZZZ
My second post is for a whole new Game...
All newcomers need to play!
Go through every clue ever posted and search out my name.
DEDJEZTER
Then cut and paste them all on to one page... read them all and try and pick out what the most common theme is in them all. Who ever guess' correct first wins a cookie.
Not sure if you know about this yet!
Hugh McIntyre will be on Jimmy Kemmel Wednesday night!
http://abc.go.com/primetime/jimmykimmel/index.html
Check out the lineup for Wednesday night!!
Too cool!!
holy crap
i work on a paper for 24 hours and i miss a CRAPSTORM.
great job folks, i'll jump back in soon.
Probably won't help, but the image has two colors: 255,255,255 (white) and 102,102,102 (gray). The HTML color code of the gray is #666666.
ok. i think it's quite odd that there are pixels above the dude's head that aren't white, as it was mentioned earlier, it would be too easy just to remove these pixels... so why weren't they removed? These are the column numbers which contain excess pixels above the head, in order...
15 47 284 293 295 303 321 327 343 362 375 376 381 387
i'm no tom hanks so someone else crack this code (if indeed it has anything to do with anything, which is somewhat unlikely, but i haven't seen much else that's any more credible than this). whew.
anyways, good luck
-d
if you use qNINEalstwothousandtwo you can get lots of relevant words out of that: i.e. "a twin head won't..." or "twin heads quoth" etc... but there are always random letters still left over. someone play with that!
what about adding the letters "gif" to the letters "qninealstwothousandtwo" in our attempts to anagram it??
Marc: Amen to that. Rather brainless bunch over there. However I'd like to point out that Speaker has mentioned a movie called Crack in the World. I checked out the posters available for it. My dad used to LOVE those kind of movies, so I've probably seen it, but can't remember it. It's about a "mad" scientist who, after finding out he's terminal, lets off an atomic device deep in the Earth's crust. The result is that the planet will split in two unless it's stopped somehow. Sound like a tie in?
Lessons learned and meta-game strategy
After 24 hours and well over 1,000 posts related to this puzzle, it seems we're no closer than ever to an answer. I think this is intentional on the part of the gamegods, and I think we're supposed to learn from it. Here's what we have learned:
1. Not every puzzle will have an answer that is revealed immediately. Think about it, folks, they're going to try to keep the world occupied all summer -- maybe longer -- and we just can't be solving a puzzle every day. Sometimes the puzzle might not be solvable without additional clues, and those might take time to develop. Also, there might be multiple parallel puzzles going on simultaneously. I wonder what we've been missing while we've been focused on No-Face.
2. The game world is complex, vast, and well-funded. (This thing isn't going to go away soon, with the combined marketing weight of Coke, Chrysler, Verizon, and Monster behind it.) The world of THF alone contains many characters who have not yet been introduced, and numerous mysterious projects that have not been explored. There are many doors yet to open. And there are other companies, with yet other characters, that haven't been called into the game yet.
3. We should expect that, like the writers of the TV show, the gamegods will introduce story lines without fully knowing where they will lead. They have created a large environment for play, and now they get to let us run loose in it.
4. There is interaction and feedback between the game and the players. When people started decompiling Falsh and reviewing source, the creators started hiding clues in Code. They're listening.
All of this is just to say that anyone who is trying to "solve" the game is on the wrong track. The "I think this anagram means that Alvar and Joop are twins, and THF has created a mutant strain of monkey people from their pole-shifting EMRI research gone horribly awry" posts are missing the point -- it's their world, people, and we just get to play in it for a while. Characters and storylines will develop, play out, and spawn new stories. Enjoy the story-telling and puzzle-solving. Don't be looking for a quick exit.
Patience and good luck.
having read thru this whole thread from the mysterious picture, just wanna through something at random out there.
As far as the image looking like someone, I'd say it looks like Jacob Vanderfield. Vanderfield is the only person who doesn't have a directory from letyoucompassguideyou.com/usr. everyone else does.(lwales, dcheever, lpeck...) I think the name of the file is going to be the password to get access to the board of directors login.
Just a thought. Any feedback?
could be old news - but has anyone noticed that both dj dan; and peter thompson were supposedly born in Terre Haute, IN. "sometime in the 60's" for DJdan and 1959 for Peter.
Don't know if that matters but I thought i'd make it my first post...after lurking for about 2 weeks now
http://www.djdan.am/bios.html
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/feed/thehansofoundation.xml
The powers that be must be so happy they have finally came up with a clue that the masses didn't figure out in 5 minutes.
Wow. I see that, too. The spinal chord seems dead on to me. I can also make out the eyes, faintly, but I think it was mentioned before that that is because half of it has the outline of the eyes. The only thing is that you can almost make out the nose, too, and in a skeleton, I think the nose is supposed to be just a hole.
Ahh never mind. You said X-ray. Maybe in an X-ray, you can see the nose. I don't know, I'm not a doctor. That's interesting.
Still think it's John John.
One thought on the Als/Denmark thing. If you look at the newsletter page on thf.org, in the top right corner there is a map for WWPDP, and there is a red dot over Denmark with one of those little hospital icons. The dot doesn't show up when you go to the actual WWPDP page, nor does it link to anything but there could be a connection. Given the scale of the map it's impossible to say if the dot is indicating Als Ilsand or Copenhagen. Alvar was supposedly in Copenhagen before arriving in Madrid December 31, 2002 where he was last seen. There's definitely another Hanso facility in Denmark, we know this because that's where Joop is (the press release about his 105th birthday is out of Copenhagen).
A couple of other random (and purely coincidental) things came up randomely when I looked at the Als Wiki
- There is a huge castle on Als that has been converted to a hospital
- Denmark is a kingdom with an Heir Apparent (Prince Frederik)
I tried to work in the heir apparent/Thomas Mittlewerk thing, since Als is near the German Border (for those of you who are't aware, Mittlewerk was the name of an underground facility where the V2 rocket was built during WWII (During which Sam Toomey was stationed on an island in the Pacific and heard the numbers)) But Mittlewerk was actually in Harz, Germany which is nowhere near the border with Denmark.
Anyway, I'm just talking here . . . thoughts?
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MJM- I'm with ya. I think it's a groovy connection. I still think we need some more from Demeter's Kid, though.
Archaic dome - I'll need 6 hours with a high speed connection, an ounce of weed, some funions and a copy of Theogony and I can make the whole thing work.
In all seriousness though I think we are going to need the next clue before we can make significant progress on this one.
ps I totally think it's a picture of Hanso!
MJM- I can make that happen... you want the big bag or the fun size?
Do you really have to ask?
MJM- I suppose not, no. lol
Lanie- I think a great boon to us here is that we've learned from experience that Persephone knows when we're all wandering around in a giant Charlie Foxtrot (Ask a Soldier if you don't know what that means...). Back in the day when we were trying to figure out what 1 and 6 means, she told us it was 8. She knows when we're floundering, and I have confidence that she'll step up and point us in the right direction.
That's what I like about this game...you buy a PC game in the EBG or summat and it's a disk with a definite end. This game is adaptive, with the adaptations usually going in our favour.
(will never say namaste...)
i think the pic is Jimmy Kimmell...
:-)
Kell- if you do the generally accepted manipulation, that is, print two copies and hold them up and align them and have a shaman dance naked around them and sacrifice a pig, if you swing them out a bit (the bottom corners), the face gets fuller and I could see a resemblance...
(anti-namaste)
I live in NJ. It's pretty much the same. Unless you're in South Jersey, then it's Philly this and Philly that...
Darn it...I posted this in the wrong area!! Here it is for those who have not seen it!!
Man! I cant stand it anymore!!! I have came to the conclusion that it is a Trojan horse in the face. Now before you go dismissing this, go check out the two photos and compare them.
Also think about the name "hole TWO" and the hint "the mouse has TWO holes"
If Alvar had someone (maybe this Kelven) "filling in for him" that would make him a TROJAN HORSE wouldnt it???
Here are the links:
http://www.geocities.com/lenaw70/facelessman.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/lenaw70/trojenhorse.jpg
See for yourselves how well the pics match! Not sure if there is words in the "hair line" but to me, it seems like the "mohawk" on the trojan horse.
I think www.oceanicairlines.com might be a ingame website. I looked there a couple of days and saw a document that had mentioned something in it about mittlewerke. Anyways I looked today and it was off the site. It looked like a letter and also had the words memorandum on them as well.
my brother says the photo is John Kerry
I've tried refreshing for the last 15 minutes...and got nothing. All you're doing is hitting the refresh button?????
I don't know if anyone's commented on this, but has someone noticed that the t-shirt Charlie is wearing in the LOST finale ad in today's papers (in the L.A. Times it's a two-page spread in the first section) has an image that is very similar in type to the hole2 photo. I believe it's a bison, but it's in black and white with negative space. Just something to think about.
As everyone knows, I've been a big proponent of the JFK, JR theory, but can't figure out why that would be a clue. My incredibly smart and amazing mom has a correlary. JFK, JR was the heir apparent to Camelot, i.e, the horse head in the face. And he died in a plane crash.
REPOST AGIAN:
Man! I cant stand it anymore!!! I have came to the conclusion that it is a Trojan horse in the face. Now before you go dismissing this, go check out the two photos and compare them.
Also think about the name "hole TWO" and the hint "the mouse has TWO holes"
If Alvar had someone (maybe this Kelven) "filling in for him" that would make him a TROJAN HORSE wouldnt it???
Here are the links:
http://www.geocities.com/lenaw70/facelessman.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/lenaw70/trojenhorse.jpg
See for yourselves how well the pics match! Not sure if there is words in the "hair line" but to me, it seems like the "mohawk" on the trojan horse.
Ok went to http://www.paik-heavy.com/ and though it has been already stated that this is NOT a in play site...it still interesting...
links at bottom take you to youtube
This is the producer of the videos:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=namastepete
Lets just consider looking at these videos more close...whats there to loose?
What do people know about the Greek playwright Plautus (the originator of the line about mice and holes)? He wrote a comic play about two twins, one of whom is lost at an early age.
I haven't seen much on this, except an attribution of the quotation to him.
This was also posted under clue #46:
oo7surge said...
Thanks to everyone for input on my back-tracking with the faceless pics.
ihearttoast: tried the 3d route, but couldn't turn it into anything... good idea though.
For the rest:
Here's all I've found so far:
There were two images of the first Faceless Man (here-after referred to as F1)
There were two images of the second Faceless Man (here-after referred to as F2)
F1: the two images have different color pallets. The first image had 4 shades on its pallet, while the second (and picture currently on hole2) only has two.
When I altered the the two "extra" colors, I found a band across the top of the photo that looks like it could be Morse Code (I have a cap of the photo before the change, and one after to show that these are not the same marks that were previously visible)
For F2, I have found that the color pallets have the same amount of colors, but they are not in the same order. This means that when you convert them to a standard pallet, such as the Windows System pallet like I have done, the images become different.
I'm not sure what the reason is for this yet, but I assume there is something to it. I can't fathom why they would have taken the time to change the pallets for these pictures if there wasn't something else there.
Sorry it took so long to get back on this, but I set up my own blog space to start posting pics and theories - and possibly some other nonsensical ramblings - on. You can see some pics there - http://lostsurge.blogspot.com/
6/03/2006 11:16:41 PM
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