Clue #42 - Jimmy Kimmel Interview with Hugh McIntyre
Just watched Jimmy Kimmel's interview with Hugh McIntyre.
HERE is a full transcript.
HERE IS THE YOUTUBE version.
HERE IS THE VIDEO that Renee recorded and sent to us.
HERE IS THE SAME VIDEO at another location.
HERE IS ONE YOU CAN PLAY ON YOUR VIDEO IPOD.
We had our opinion of this video up on this site overnight. Decided to take it down and save "opinions" for the podcast.
However, I laughed out loud when they talked about savejoop.com. Seems like that petition might have gotten Hugh a little nervous! Those savejoop.com guys deserve big props - I can't wait to have them on the podcast next week. Seriously, after Jimmy Kimmel gave them a shout out, everyone should support them by at least buying one t-shirt (my 10 have already been ordered). They even added a new Anti-Hanso shirt! That's all I'll say about that.
Share your thoughts in the comments and on the message board.
31 Comments:
Totally agree... it was awkward. At one point, 'Hugh' seemed to be looking down at his notes, like the couldn't remember the name of the Hanso Project. (WWPDP) I was really hoping there'd be a 'script' between Jimmy and Hugh, designed to give us a few answers.
..And the explanation about the picture of 'Hugh' on the Hanso webpage? That seemed weak. A webmaster mistake? C'mon...
there were at least two subliminal messages in there. Someone upload the frame grabs!
i can't understand what the password is on 1877HANSORG
You have to listen to all the different extensions (2/3/4), and then go back to extension 1 (general information about the HANSO ORG), and then the message will break and you will get a password. it sounds like breaking stream. i'll try it again.
I agree it was a little strange how he talked about the TV show as a work of fiction.
What is supposed to be real and what is supposed to be fake here?
Gary Troup is indirectly a part of the TV show (he died on the plane) but the Hanso foundation consideres both the TV show AND "Bad Twin" fiction. I'm confused.
Well, if they're trying to bridge the two...of course they have to say LOSST is fictional. How many camera crews do you know that patrol hidden islands and can sendc their footage back to civilization?
The point is, they're playing LOST as reality-based, not a reality show. Think of it like a docudrama of real-life events.
But the whole concept puzzles me. Everything they do advances the game or the show in some way. Why go through all the trouble to CREATE a character for the game, hire someone to play that character and book him in a slot that pretty much any established actor would jump to be on...and then not have him do anything?
Without takinng a second look, there has to be something there that we missed, somethhing he was told he HAD to do or say during his appearance.
I'm thinking that Hugh's apperance tonight was more of another way to get people to get involved in the Hanso webgame. Not so much for people already involved, as there was really no new information given.
Important points to note...
1987 is when the "Dharma Project" was supposedly stopped.
Hugh McIntyre was 'replaced' by that odd McIntyre...
other than that the interview was pretty lacking IMO
Well, we know now that Hanso supposedly abandoned the Dharma initiative in 1987. That's something, right?
The "reality" thing was weird. On the official podcast, though, Lindelof and Cuse both played up the "we've gotten in trouble with this Hanso Foundation for using them in the show" line. They suggested that there was going to be some kind of legal action against them.
Whatever comes of that, those guys were playing the same game as Lost is fiction but Hanso is real, which wasn't how I was playing the game. (As I understood it, both LOST and the Lost Experience were part of the same "reality" and we're finding out clues about Hanso while the losties are doing their thing on the island.)
I'm glad to see that some of you are finally getting the idea behind the ARG. The TV show is just that, a tv show. Nothing that is going on in the show is related to the Hanso Foundation...at least not in the way we have been thinking and acting. Try this theory- Lindeloff and Cuse and Abrams stumble upon this thing called the Hanso Foundation which funded some wierdo hippie communal psych experiment in the 70's called the Dharma Initiative. It intrigues them, so they dig around and find some old "training" videos that no one seems to claim ownership to that detail part of what this Dharma thing messed with. So these guys sit down and script a tv show that incorporates this stuff in their version of, never realizing the effect it has on the "actual" company.
Sounds good to me, until the Gary Troup thing comes into the picture, huh? That kinda throws a wrench into the whole mess...With out him, the whole scenario makes perfect sense, right? Or is it just really late?
is There any chance someone could post the lost finale up cause im having trouble downloading thanx for hugh on kimmel
little equation for you... monster.com + jeep + jimmy kimmel show + next marketable item = lost experience.
The interview was definately cheezy, probably it wasn't supposed to be, but just didnt have a lot of time/budget for it. Didn't really tell us much.
ugh.
the season finale, however...
INTENSE
Weird, saw a simular post like this last week...
Can you tell me the last thing you saw and I can catch ya up.
I KNOW!!! I taped it (VHS) as I dont have Tivo or DVD burner :( but dont have a way to upload from the VHS.
Yes...due to money issues, we live in the stoneage here LOL
If anyone finds it, share! I would love to see the comments fly on it!
I think some of you guys are of... I mean, if the whole point of this game is to present some form of "alternate reality" (I'm not too familiar with ARGs), they are doing so. I mean, let's put this into perspective: if you owned and organization that was secretive, possibly involved in some big corruption that you don't want let out, and there's a flippin' POPULAR TV SHOW seemingly opening up that can of worms, wouldn't you want to be proactive and deflect that? The fact that it's on an ABC show is obvious -- but notice there weren't a lot of jokes, it was pretty much question fi question, which was pretty different from the normal Kimmel affair. I think this was a perfect way to bring this to life. It made THF seem like a REAL ORGANIZATION, and it also sparked interest. Why would they plug websites that show connections between Dharma and THF, but then just disclaim that LOST is opening that info up? REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY? This makes me even MORE interested in this, trying to figure out WHY?!!?
I just think some of you should step outside the box and take a deeper look at this.
www.defendinghanso.org
PS @ claude --- the block of ice thing was totally unrelated. Jimmy Kimmel said he wrote a name of one of the american idol contestants on a piece of paper, wrapped it in bacon, and placed it in a block of ice. they opened it up, but it wasn't taylor hicks -- it was bucky covington.
he was wrong, but "the paper smells like bacon".
not LOST related in my eyes.
PPS: I do NOT believe that's Hugh.
TO ALL LOST FANS:
Please do hear me out.
It was 4:08 -AM- in Copenhagen, Denmark. Or at least that is how it is portrayed.
Thus, I'd say it matched well with any interviews done at such an insane hour. He seemed tired and a bit distracted, and it was obviously all well played to give the idea that the Hanso Foundation is real.
What some people may forget is that, well, the Hanso Foundation is part of the show. Have we not learned anything from LOST's different experience? The show is not just what we watch. The show is more aptly a theatre. A combination of the show, online experience, real-life tie-ins, and community discussion. LOST -is- the experience.
The Hanso Foundation is part of the theatrics. Part of the entertainment. It is not making a case for The Hanso Foundation actually being real and the show fake; it is making a case for both being part of a greater form of entertainment. Take the interview as though it was a clip from the show. An outside dialogue of sorts.
The websites and every little "sponsored by Dharma Initiative" little thing is part of the experience, not part of some attempt at portraying theatrics as reality. We are entertained by an -Alternate Reality-. Not just building falsehoods into actual reality as though Alvar Hanso is a real person. The show and the interview and the websites are all part of the Alternate Reality that is meant solely for our entertainment.
We are all part of the LOST Experience. A form of entertainment that is all of the pieces combined. Something different than a tv show. A new form of immersive entertainment. A massive Rocky Horror Picture Show if you will, full of audience participation. Actors taken as real only in the realm of the experience. And above all else, an experience to remember. Namaste.
That is LOST.
-Michael
of the Dharma Initiative
I think it's fair to try to defend the mixing of realities.
My problem is that now it seems like the "alternate reality" isn't consistent. In the game, is the show supposed to be real or fiction? The ARG was only fun for me when we were supposed to be assuming that what was happening on the island was "real." Now, if the "real" alternate reality is just the producers using a supposedly real Hanso, then nothing on the show can really affect the game since it's all just "fiction" as far as the ARG is concerned.
So it's like they've split the mythology: the show is one entirely fictional universe. The ARG is another "alternate reality" in which what happens on the show doesn't really matter because it's all just "fiction."
So I'm bummed as far as the ARG is concerned.
duckhuntlogic,
there were at least two points in the broadcast when the screen when fuzzy and I saw some flashes and text, too fast for me to read. I have watched "Fight Club" too much and I am a video sw engineer, so stuff like that sticks out to me. Most notably was a point when Jimmy asked about the discrepency between the Hugh photo and the "Hugh" being interviewed.
I suspect they are messages from Persephone.Someone needs to get an HD stream capture and go frame by frame.
Thank you, tyler. I was about to post my amazement that no one had discussed the static ("fuzziness") from last night's interview.
I hope someone steps up with screen grabs.
Don't forget: Jimmy was stepping all over Hugh's responses, too. To the point, actually, that it seemed too egregious to be accidental or "bad interviewing."
Hugh's stumbling manner could be as intentional as the hostile witness-style interview.
I think I have your answer, theronin. thefoofish left off the closing tag on his post. It is as follows:
/snark
(god, i hope so)
fear-me, you're missing the point. Lost: The Experience is an alternate reality game (ARG). That means that for the purposes of the game, certain facets of the television show "Lost" are assumed to be, in fact, reality.
Were you not listening to the interview? Hugh stated very clearly that THF is real, DI was real, and that "Lost" is a television show that has latched onto the "realities" of THF and made them out to be evil and shadowy.
This is what is called in theatre a "conceit."
I'm sorry if this doesn't clarify anything, but confusion and line-blurring is part of the game.
You're asking the right questions, but instead of looking for the answers, you're assuming that the questions are borne solely out of a production error.
The fact that Gary Troup has been "denounced" by THF makes him part of the ARG. The fact that Sawyer is reading his manuscript makes him part of the "fictional" television show Lost.
Now, while Hugh is stating that there is no island, and the events depicted on it are fictional. However, there was (in the show and in the ARG) an Oceanic Flight 815 that went missing.
So how do the two reconcile? Someone is lying, or at the very least trying to obscure the truth. And that, if my understanding of "Bad Twin" is accurate, is Gary Troup's whole point in the book.
Think about the ARG (aka The Experience) as a secondary reality latched onto our own.
There's the you, me, Jimmy Kimmel reality we all know about and live in.
There's the Hugh McIntyre, THF website and commercials, "Dharma Initiative was shut down" reality of the ARG. This reality is touching our reality even though we know it's fictional.
There's the television show "Lost" storyline, which is being disputed by THF and Hugh McIntyre, but vouched for by the "Lost" writers and Gary Troup
Persephone is a fictional character in our reality, but a real hacker in the ARG reality. Therefore, she is being treated as an actual human being who is hacking the website you and I can go to.
Trust me, it's not a mistake.
I need a drink.
The actor wasn't very convincing, he didn't give me an impression that he was a "real" spokesman. Jimmy Kimmel played along really well, though, compared to "Hugh". I will say they both did a relatively good job.
ROFL!!!!
I really think the Kimmel spot was just a way to draw new players into the game as the show goes away for the summer.
Still the thing I think is important from the interview is at the very end. Jimmy asks. "Why all the secrecy?" Hugh responds, "We're here to be as clear and as transparent as possible." Hugh's bio reports that his motto is "accuracy and transparency above all." I'm not sure why Hugh would be giving out clues, and I don't know what to do with it, but I think the word transparency relates to the hole2 photo. Maybe we just need to find another photo on which to overlay it.
I also want to suggest that the producers of the experience may have commissioned the randomshirts guys to make those "Save Joop" t-shirts. Other similar viral games have used cafepress to make "in game" t-shirts, and I don't think they would have mentioned the Joop site on national television if it was not connected.
Has anyone stopped to think that mabey this was all a fake interview set up by an angry fan or mabey just a really really big red harring trying to ruin this
Come on. If this was a scam, do you know how fast ABC would be on top of it?
The Speaker talks about it as being in game. Read his post on it.
: ) I love this blog....
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