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Clue #44 - More Sublymonal & DJ Dan Stuff

The Sprite related site from Clue #29, sublymonal.com , has changed. It seems to be more soda marketing and less LOST but there may be some things worth finding.

To explore, use the following "passwords". The DJDan podcast is really the only thing TLE related:

Persephone general history of mythology
108 DJDan Podcast (Transcript in the Comments)
tongue lymonics language thing
spray button pushing "game"
embed screensaver download
listen & pulse Talib Kweli music ad (other sites linked)
bentley Fronzworth Bentley music ad (other sites linked)
scan shoes on ebay
whatthe? takes you to Lymonatrix movie
chill YouTube Video
defib YouTube Video
belly YouTube Video
gulp YouTube Video

*From Zeus & Kevin & Justin...


Blogger Acts4Food said...

I just wanted to be the first comment on the new clue...

5/25/2006 10:40:00 PM  
Blogger T-emmer23 said...

Sorry for the double post, but thought it more appropriate here (wasn'r here yet when I last refreshed)...:

Thanks for that... very interesting... Good to know people are still perusing "old" clue sites for updates.

I've been "lurking" I guess for over a week now... catching up on the game, and *reading up* before I dared post my thoughts/observations... I think you are all brilliant, btw...and thanks for keeping this fun.

Been mentioned slightly (hey ward and thrasher above), and with this new DJDan clue makes a little more sense to me... I had noticed first-off that the Mission Statement page had discrepancies about the projects. Under the acronyms, the project names are missing BOTH the Mental Health Appeal and the Electromagnetic Research Initiative, and both are replaced with the "Educational Otreach Imperative" (repeated). I noticed the only other mention of this "project" on the site is on the Institute for Genomic Advancement page, under the picture, "Educational Outreach (c) experiments..." But that's a minor detail...

But that name... Educational Outreach... struck me as important, as well as the discrepancies and inconsistencies (project names, including Educational Outreach, are also inconsistent in at least 2 of the press releases from the beginning, as well as "Hugh" on Kimmel repeating they have "six" projects, etc.).

The DJDan podcast mentioned Widmore funding college research projects...

Also, that *fake* video of old Hanso Industries keeps coming to mind---are we absolutely sure that's a fake?? Just want to clarify b/c it mentions Hanso's sponsoring of college research programs. It also mentions a satellite program, and satellites have been a little theme this past week I've noticed. Someone else linked to a satellite site about the connection to "swans," etc. That mentioned that satellite scanners in the north pole could scan 14 times a day as opposed to twice a day from the equator, and --SHOW SPOILER--Pen Widmore's scanning station was in a *snowy* area...

And an electromagnetic superweapon could bring down a satellite...

Sorry this is so long and not really putting much together. Just wanted to get off my chest what's been building in my mind reading all this so far...

Thanks and...
No Mass Stay

5/25/2006 10:47:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

Hello, please post this because this is the transcript from the site that you are talking about.

If you type in "Persephone" into the sublymonal.com website, you see a plane with "108" on the tail end. Type that in and you'll get a HIDDEN PODCAST from DJ Dan.


Voice-over: "Coming to you live from the Bermuda Triangle..."

Background Singers: "DJ Dan"

Voice-over: "You're listening to DJDan, shutting down the man."

DJ Dan: "Tanya, why am I in such a great mood? Do you know, can you guess?"

Tanya: "Uh, does it have something to do with yesterday's interview maybe? The fact that you shut down the man?"

DJ Dan: "Oh, Tanya. Sweet Tanya. Before I answer that, I gotta rant. Guys, I hate to tell you this, but I gotta tell you. You are OWNED! If you're like me, you're like most of the suckers who rent instead of own, lease instead of buy, use credit instead of cash. You are OWNED. 30% of you is owned by the government, and the government is owned by THE MAN. You know what I'm talking about, I'm talking global corporations, like your Widmore corportion. Companies so big, so evil, so powerful, that even when you stand up, you are picketing with signs made on their paper, while drinking coffee picked on their cocaine -- oh, ho, lordy, I mean, uh, Colombian coffee plantations. Now this is nothing new, Conspiraspies. It's been this way since way back when before Charleton Heston parted the Red Sea. So why does it feel like things have changed?"

Tanya: "Uh, because they have?"

DJ Dan: "No, SHUTDOWN. Because the stink has risen to the surface. These companies aren't even trying to hide it anymore. I want my Candlestick Park back. I want to walk through the campus of my state university and feel like I'm in that state, not the corporate headquarters of the bank that owns the business school. Which brings me to yesterday's question: Why are college students building electromagnetic superweapons? Electromagnetic superweapons, people. Here's the sitch [situation]: We've got a student, gets an astrophysics scholarship at a state school. What he doesn't know, what he couldn't know until he's there, what they don't put in the brochure next to the pictures of the cafeterias and the cheerleaders, is that he's running research simulations for classfied electromagnetic superweapons. And when he decides, 'Hey, I'm 18, I don't need to be contributing to the corporate war machine,' they pull his scholarship. They pull his scholarship. They sue him and turn his life upside down. And with nothing to lose, he comes on my show and he dishes it straight. Tanya, roll the tape."

[Tape begins.]

DJ Dan: "So, uh, you have no idea who is funding this research program?"

Interviewee: "No, I have an idea."

DJ Dan: "An idea? A theory? A CONSPIRACY THEORY?"

Interviewee: "Every week some guy picks up our simulation, so I followed one, and I lose him in the crowd outside the Widmore Corporation building."

[Tape ends.]

DJ Dan: "Uh, Stop right there, Tanya. Widmore Corporation. Do you have any idea whose offices are housed within the Widmore Corporation building?"

Tanya: "Uh, does it begin with Hanso?"

DJ Dan: "Oho, you're gettin' paid this week, Tanya. For those of you who don't know, the Hanso Foundation is one of those non-profit organizations whose sole purpose seems to be researching everything you see in a bad sci-fi movie. Now, if you're like me, you're dying to know: what are these people up to? Of course, nobody knows, not even this Persephone chick who's hacking their website, and just the same, nobody knows where that guy went in that crowd. Now, what we do know is that yesterday's show made a stink. My source on the hill says he hasn't seen senators this pissed off since the Kennedy suicide. And all of a sudden, the plug has been pulled from the weapons program. WE SHUT DOWN THE MAN! And why? Because our Hanso Foundation, our insert name of evil corporation here, they heard my interview, and this last bit made their blood run cold. Roll the tape!"

[Tape begins.]

DJ Dan: "So, uh, then what are the possible applications of this research?"

Interviewee: "Pretty much, we were asked to simulate an electromagnetic pulse strong enough to knock a space-borne body out of its recurring orbit."

DJ Dan: "Uh, space-borne body. Like what, exactly?"

Interviewee: "Like, the moon."

[Tape ends.]

DJ Dan: "Okay, that's nutty even for me. But apparently it wasn't for them. This stuff is happening folks, open your eyes. DJ Dan, shutting down the man."

Voice-over: "You're listening to DJ Dan, shutting down the man."

My thoughts on Important Keywords:
From the Bermuda Triangle
Candlestick Park (Monster.com? San Francisco?)
State University (which one? Michigan & De Groot?)
Electromagnetic Superweapons (we saw one on the last episode)
The Moon (i agree with DJ Dan on this, but it has *very* interesting implications if true)

5/25/2006 10:53:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

BTW you can find a hardcopy of my transcript and other updated information at http://members.aol.com/mattthepale/index.html
Thanks :)

5/25/2006 10:53:00 PM  
Blogger thinkteach said...

Guys & Gals,

Check out the source code after entering the DJ Dan clue! Looks like a message from "P"!


5/25/2006 10:54:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

Here is the video poster that posted the videos imbedded in sublymonal.com


Here is a more detailed message about the SWAN and satellite connection (sorry if its long):

SWAN project...using the satellite


here is the NUMBERS connection RIGHT HERE!!!


is the satellite they use

QUOTE FROM www.uen.org/swan/:

How the Argos System Works

N.O.A.A. satellites orbit every 108 minutes or about 14 times a day. The satellite scans a 5,000 kilometer wide area as it passes. The satellite is within transmitter range for about 10 minutes. If the transmitter is sending then the satellite will receive multiple messages from the swan's transmitter.

Because of the earth's rotation a transmitter at the equator would be scanned once a day while a transmitter at the pole could be scanned 14 times a day.

When the satellite passes one of three main ground stations, it downloads the information to computers. The computers then calculate the location of the swan and send the owner of the transmitter an E-mail message.

The Shadow-A-Swan website then updates the archive for each swan, maps the longitude and latitude and calculates the distance traveled since the last reported location.

5/25/2006 10:57:00 PM  
Blogger T-emmer23 said...

Thanks for the details, Lena, didn't have the patience to search for them at this hour and after having FINALLY read every post here...

I need a nap. :-)

5/25/2006 11:07:00 PM  
Blogger s1n said...

This has nothing to do with this post, but there's a widmore labs page at www.widmore.com and it requires some kind of password and access code, which makes me believe it might be legit. Someone should see if we can find out how to access it.

5/25/2006 11:08:00 PM  
Blogger Evil Jim said...

What is the youtube video of gulp and belly like?

5/25/2006 11:09:00 PM  
Blogger Kate said...

Here's the message from the "108" clue that thinkteach mentioned:

"Look on the plane. Namaste. P"

... which plane?

5/25/2006 11:13:00 PM  
Blogger Sean said...

There's a third YouTube video if you type in "defib". It's just another Sprite one.

5/25/2006 11:25:00 PM  
Blogger icallwindow said...

By the way.. and I don't know if anyone's noticed or not, but www.oceanicairlines.com has changed from the 'ERROR' message to a blurry image (called w.jpg in the source).

What of it?

5/25/2006 11:35:00 PM  
Blogger Da Guerreiro said...

Do a view source after you type in Persephone on sublymonal and there is amessage from persephone that says "Look on the plane"

5/25/2006 11:38:00 PM  
Blogger dharmatel said...

That "Look on the plane" means to look on the pictures of planes with the Oceanic colors that appear on the TV screens. There is where you'll find the 108, which is the next code to access DJ Dan's podcast.

5/25/2006 11:40:00 PM  
Blogger Joe said...

Anyone notice when you vuew the source on the oceanic-air site when you check the seating chart, you find this?>>>>>
"I would like to inform my financial institutions that I will be late making my September mortgage payment as I am STRANDED ON A FRIGGIN' ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE!
Please have the Government send a search team immediately. OR don't. Shouldn't all the taxes I pay cover an expense like that?"

5/25/2006 11:56:00 PM  
Blogger icallwindow said...

Joe: that's from about two years ago... some old Lost game. Doesn't pertain to the Lost Experience.

5/25/2006 11:59:00 PM  
Blogger Joe said...

Good lord, I was really out of the loop on that one. Still tryin to play with Dr. Wickman's Head and the image in Joop. Using Corel. Get back to ya. I want to go to Cali and wring the necks of ABC. I'm just too curious about the Light and Whirring from the island. It's too intriguing and scientific at the same time..... NEone else having this problem?

5/26/2006 12:21:00 AM  
Blogger Zemm said...

Typing in "scan" brings you to some eBay site.

5/26/2006 12:47:00 AM  
Blogger Evil Jim said...

What is the web address of the eBay site?

5/26/2006 12:59:00 AM  
Blogger AjaxTheGoat said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

5/26/2006 01:54:00 AM  
Blogger icallwindow said...

Dude. Seriously guys. There are only 20 comments on this page. It can't hurt to read through to keep from repeting ourselves.

5/26/2006 02:20:00 AM  
Blogger adam said...

Post links you guys!

5/26/2006 03:19:00 AM  
Blogger Wamp Rat said...

DJ Dan was talking about weapons. As I mentioned on one of the other clue comments pages, the hanso careers page source contains the comment:

cng | rcw | ptd

RCW can stand for Remote Controlled Weapon. Any ideas on the others to do with weaponry?

P.S. If your answer has something to do with the show PLEASE DON'T GIVE IT!!! In the UK we're on episode 6 - I really don't want to know anything about the season 2 finale!

5/26/2006 03:32:00 AM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

The two items on sale at ebay...

click here

Also remember that I found that there are FOUR videos at youtube...HEHEHEHE getting ahead of the game...

click here for videos

5/26/2006 03:34:00 AM  
Blogger Karl said...

ajaxthegoat: for the billionth time that site hasnt changed since the first season. Please people, ignore that site unless we're told otherwise.

5/26/2006 03:55:00 AM  
Blogger hypes blog said...

the satellite theory sounds very well.
every satellite needs 108minutes to round the earth. maybe the connections between the numbers and the satellite is that the numbers are maybe the activation or deactivation for the satellite which includes a superweapon?!

too abstract?

5/26/2006 04:06:00 AM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

Well originally the ultimate theory on another site (the one who posted the theory that satellites had something to do with it) said that inputting the numbers was to stop the satellite from seeing the island.

Just a theory, but thats why me and hubby checked it out so thoroughly!

5/26/2006 04:22:00 AM  
Blogger ex-gradstudent said...

Somewhat off topic, but I was checking out the UK Big Brother website (channel4.com/bigbrother) and one of the sidebar ads features Joop and advertises the LEP project. This doesn't appear all the time, but it's in the ad cycle. Clicking the banner takes you to thehansofoundation.org.

Channel 4 is the station here that carries Lost, so there's the connection. Just interesting more than anything, I think.


5/26/2006 05:10:00 AM  
Blogger Dutchy83 said...

i think the ebay trainers link is key at the moment as you really have to search for the 'scan' clue.
Perhaps the name of the seller is a clue: buddhaplex_2020

Unless it's just a cheap marketing tool but it just doesn't seem to add up!

5/26/2006 06:17:00 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Somebody bought the SubLYMONal Kicks with Buy It Now... the other item still up is Lymon Thirst Defibrillator

5/26/2006 07:35:00 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Lymon Thirst Defibrillator

working link...

5/26/2006 07:36:00 AM  
Blogger dharmatel said...

Morning guys.
I believe nothing in the sublymonal site adds to the game but the "persephone" and "108" codes. All the other ones are just for marketing purposes. We've been playing with them since early last night.
But in case you find any other interesting thing... bring it on!

5/26/2006 07:59:00 AM  
Blogger Jaybird said...

SCAN: takes you to a pair of ugly ass shoes on eBay.

CHILL: takes you to another YouTube commercial.

5/26/2006 08:13:00 AM  
Blogger Jaybird said...

DEFIB: YouTube commercial

5/26/2006 08:17:00 AM  
Blogger talker said...

I also suspect http://www.widmore.com/ is legit. I found it by typing http://thewidmorecorporation.com it took me there.

5/26/2006 08:47:00 AM  
Blogger Jaybird said...

I think so too. And CERB815 means something.

5/26/2006 08:54:00 AM  
Blogger harcar2001 said...

HELP! I went thru the link on DJDAN.am but the sublymonal site is a black page, nowhere to put a password, tab thru gives me nothing...

5/26/2006 08:57:00 AM  
Blogger ORA-29306 said...

tom, the widmore site is bunk. the form you're talking about does not have the code it needs to actually go anywhere. the button is simply a javascript alert box control

5/26/2006 08:58:00 AM  
Blogger Jaybird said...

harcar need to turn on your speakers

5/26/2006 09:05:00 AM  
Blogger Andrew said...

This is just a thought. My purpose is not to confuse the game with the show but.....
Spoiler Alert
Hypes and Lena are talking about the whole satalite thing. It got me to thinking that Desmond in the show side of the house, not concerning the game side, missed one of the times of inputing the numbers which would throw off the whole "satalite invisiblity shield" type thing. Just a thought. Sorry for the interrupion of show type stuff.

Let's carry on with the game.


5/26/2006 09:06:00 AM  
Blogger nuvs said...

The sublymonal.com website doesn't appear to have any functionality anymore -- it only shows the Sprite can, with the text "Do Not Blink. Your Mind is Being Refreshed".

No password box is available anymore.... :(

5/26/2006 09:08:00 AM  
Blogger Andrew said...

It is still working for me.

5/26/2006 09:12:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Mine still works. All very interesting.

Peace & Namaste

5/26/2006 09:12:00 AM  
Blogger harcar2001 said...

i heard that about your mind being refreshed etc but still a black screen with really irritating sound effects...

5/26/2006 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Blanket Apology!

I want to apologize to everyone that was part of yesterdays posts that were arguing with each other, including myself. This is a GAME and meant to be fun and engaging for all of us. If we do not work together we will be wasting time and missing the fun. With that said, please be mindful of others and if you feel that what you are going to type is going to spoil someone else's fun let it be known that it is a spoiler. What is the harm in it really?

Off my soap box, enjoy the game.

Peace & Namaste

5/26/2006 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger Andrew said...

It's all good.

5/26/2006 09:34:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Kind of off topic and silly but has anyone noticed that there are gramatical errors on the hanso website? On the main page the smog filled photo in the lower right hand side says ...and our our work for a safer environment. Nothing major or earth shattering, but it could be 'true' what Hugh said about his webmaster making a mistake since there are others.

5/26/2006 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Also the mha is not listed underneath the logos for all of the projects...

5/26/2006 09:49:00 AM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Thanks, Thrash. I'm sorry, too.
I noticed something yesterday. You know how sometimes we lose the clock on Hanso? I think that happens when you load the site during those minutes when OBEY is in the clock space. I reset my clock several times to test that and it worked for me everytime.

Now. Hypes, Lena and Andrew... about that satellite thing...


Remember that Henry Gale said that "Not even God can see this island" The producers said that we should listen and watch Henry very closely. Inputing the code so satellites can't see that place is a pretty darn good theory, IMHO. Also, he didn't seem to affected by the EMP or whatever it was. Need to go back and watch the ep again so I can check his feet when he's walking down the pier. He might have had only four toes! LOL! Interesting that DJDan was talking about the weapons. And here I thought Hanso was oh-so benevolent...

5/26/2006 09:51:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Hanso was also an arms dealer before being such a benevolent SOB! Henry seemed to be very unaffected by the electromagnetic meltdown and he seemed to look up towards the island...very interesting...maybe this is atlantis!

5/26/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger Jaybird said...

Maybe it's the YANG planet side of the Bermuda Triangle YIN-YANG (magnetic poles).

5/26/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger Ryan said...

Interesting to note, on the DJ Dan podcast page, where the "bomb blast" links to sublymonal.com and has the words "code:persephone" on it, if you check the name of the file it has an odd name:


5/26/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

The Organ Courier job description says that a knowledge of martial arts, self-defense and exstensive weapons training essentail. Why would an organ courier need these skills? Could this be why we know 'missing organs'? Has the previous organ courier lost his cargo?

5/26/2006 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Why would one need to sign a 'lifetime non-disclosure agreement?' Working with highly gifted and 'unstable' minds. I think there is more to get out of the hanso careers site. At least some insight to this benevolent company...

5/26/2006 10:10:00 AM  
Blogger Jaybird said...

I think Ryan definitely found something. Good one....

5/26/2006 10:15:00 AM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

That is an odd file name, Ryan. Much like the q9als2002 file name was weird. What can we make out of that?

Thrash: I noticed, along with others, the VERY strange qualifications needed for those positions. Are they stealing organs? Why would you need tribal dialects and an ability for high speed travel? Also, highly gifted minds at the Vik Institute? Results of the "incident" perhaps.

5/26/2006 10:20:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

I cannot wait to be able to log into the VIK institute...I bet that is where Hurly, his number spewing pal, and Libby were...does anyone have old Tivo clips from those eps? Maybe there are name tags on the docs proving where they were...

5/26/2006 10:23:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Jaybird: your avatar is creeping me out!! LMAO!!!

5/26/2006 10:24:00 AM  
Blogger LydiaDietz said...

thrasher - they were in the santa rosa mental health institute, not the VIK institute


Hugo "Hurley" Reyes
Was probably admitted for post-traumatic-stress syndrome and mild schizophrenia
Released with medication

Leonard Simms
Visited by Hurley

Emily Annabeth Locke
Locke's mother



5/26/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

True, but I have a feeling that Santa Rosa is a Hanso hospital, though.

5/26/2006 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Lydia, thanks for clearing that up for me. Dang, wish it was the VIK institutue, kind of a stretch for Hurly to be in Denmark I guess anyway....as you were...lol

5/26/2006 10:32:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

When you log in for the news letter everything goes black and white...just like the faceless man and the message from Pers, everything is there in black and white...I am reaching now...ignore me for the moment...

Peace & Namaste

5/26/2006 10:35:00 AM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

No, b&w may be important. It's been a theme throughout the show.

Also, on the simian vet job, you can't have ever been a member of an animal rights or environmental group. Let's me out as I accidently joined the WWF one time. World Wildlife Fund, not that silly wrestling thing. With Joop being 105, it sounds like extreme and not always kind animal experimentation to me. Organs may be connected here as well. No room and board for spouse or child? What, they can't live with you while you're there on your multi-year contract?

5/26/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger Andrew said...

The newsletter worked the same as always for me.


5/26/2006 10:45:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Deanna, be honest you were a wrestler on the WWF!! LMAO!!!

Looks like they want people with no real background, kind of move in and out of society leaving no trace or memory of their exsistence. Kind of like the men in black....reaching again...

5/26/2006 10:49:00 AM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

LOL! The closest thing to that I can confess to that are "matches" with my sister. She's 7 years older and always won, but that was YEARS ago.

Yeah! Sounds right. Maybe even someone who could "disappear" and not be noticed?

5/26/2006 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger Jaybird said...

maybe pers12.432.87 are coordinates for latitude and longitude? 12.43(S or N) 2.87(E or W) Either Southern Sudan or West Coast of Africa (Black Rock?)

This goes with the theory that 4.815N by 162.342E is the location of the island.

5/26/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Lot of Africa connections in the game aren't there? Guinea is on the west coast of Africa and they have a hospital there. Ethiopia is very near the Sudan and there is another hospital there. Maybe WWPDP page is the next thing we'll be dealing with. Miracle and missing organs are both from that page and have no use yet. Yeah?

5/26/2006 11:05:00 AM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

I just watched the part of the video where the "blast" thing happens.

Henry DOES hold his hands to his ears just like everyone else...the only diffence is he knows what it means, and thats no surprise!

You cannot tell if he has four or five toes LOL


5/26/2006 11:06:00 AM  
Blogger ZeroDark said...

When you use the code DEFIB themessage on the screen says "when things slow down you see more" The commercial that this code leads you to says "DVR ready" at the very beginning. Anyone have a way of slowing the playback down? Seems like a likely place for a clue.

5/26/2006 11:11:00 AM  
Blogger ORA-29306 said...

that comment about atlantis gives me an idea, its a off topic but...


what was up with the 4 toed foot that jin and sayid saw???

5/26/2006 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Lena, I think it is just a good one goon...

5/26/2006 11:16:00 AM  
Blogger ORA-29306 said...

zerodark... when the girl lays down.. i saw a little bug thing (green color) in the bottom left of the screen.. maybe theres more..

5/26/2006 11:18:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

That is what I was looking into as well, could this be atlantis? Maybe Alvar was looking for it and found it and is trying to figure out it's mysteries can help mankind. Think about it, the odd happeneings, the foot, the block square on the cliff...

5/26/2006 11:18:00 AM  
Blogger Deannacat said...



Really? Henry had his hands on his ears. OK. I thought he looked like he knew what it was, too. Although, in Lockdown, and you tell me if I'm crazy, he didn't seem to know what was happening in the hatch when the lockdown itself was happening. He was in the armory alone and the look on his face made me think he was genuinely surprised by the noise. Also, their hatch appears to be caved in or a fake and their clothes suck. Maybe they're unaware that drops are still happening. He also said that Kate, Jack and Sawyer are going "home" with them. So where's THAT exactly? One last thing. Desmond thinks he brought the plane down and he may be right. But why was it so desperately off course to begin with? Can the EMP be so strong that it sucked a plane 1000 miles off course before crashing it?

5/26/2006 11:21:00 AM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Atlantis crossed my mind, too.

5/26/2006 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

Desmonds actions DID have SOMETHING to do with the plane...but it was STILL A PLANNED EVENT...that is WAY too obious.

Maybe when Henry was in the hatch, he didnt know what he NOW knows.

Yes the other's "home" is not that hatch we saw in the fake camp for the others. Doesnt anyone remember that they briefly show Sayid attemping to go into that entrance and finds out ITS FAKE!!???

Kinda worried what will come of him.

5/26/2006 11:27:00 AM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

An Anger Management Director needs to efficiently manage unforeseen human complications of the Foundation's work and deal with rapid responses, mission-critical variables and human rights. What the hell is going on in Korea that's pissing people off to this degree? In the original phone messages the "inquiry into the Korean off-shore project" is mentioned, but they won't comment about it and this job ad says that sea-based travel will be required. Inquiry into the project, eh? By who? Right after that is when Thompson comes on and yells that threats against employees of Widmore and Paik-Heavy etc. are criminal.

Just thinking out loud in hopes I can trigger something...

5/26/2006 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

What exactly is an unforseen human complication? Maybe we need to retrace our steps a bit and look into those sites again...

5/26/2006 11:41:00 AM  
Blogger Andrew said...

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5/26/2006 11:44:00 AM  
Blogger Andrew said...

Persephone would qualify as an unforseen human complication.

5/26/2006 11:46:00 AM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

That could be someone not liking what they see or what they are being asked to do and raising a ruckus about it. A persuasive, open demeanor and previous experience in psychology and mediation are preferred. Sounds like they are looking for someone to talk irate employees or nosy public officials down. Someone who can put a more pleasant face on a situation and deflect criticism of the Foundation.

5/26/2006 11:49:00 AM  
Blogger ZeroDark said...

The widmore corporation website seems like it will be legit at some point. Right now the code does not do anything, but I still thought this should be pointed out:

There are three field to be filled out. They are: control #, Access Ep, and CV Station ID.

The last one there is the important one. If you look at the map on the blast door (http://www.lost-shop.de/dharmatel/pics/dharmadoor6qa.jpg) You see that the stations, or hatches, all have CV numbers written nearby.

Not that it makes any difference right now :)

5/26/2006 11:51:00 AM  
Blogger Andrew said...

Well that job would have been already taken by Hugh then.

5/26/2006 11:51:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

How long has Hugh been part of the group, where did his predecessor go? Was he an unforseen human complication? I wish we had in game sites for widemore and paik-heavy...

5/26/2006 11:53:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

Peter Thompson seems to qualify as the Anger Management Director. He's defended people legally and didn't he also protect big corporations from being shut down? But apparently Hugh McIntyre is forging Peter Thompson's signature. It's so mysterious.

5/26/2006 11:53:00 AM  
Blogger T-emmer23 said...

Had to jump in...

During Lockdown, Henry's expression was because he knew what would happen if the numbers didn't get entered.

And the guy w/ him in the boat looked to me like the guy Jack shot in the jungle on the way there. The guy Kate was dead.

Anywho, back to the game. Sorry for my part in all this show talk.

5/26/2006 11:55:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Checking into atlantis I found this dude Kircher who had some ideas to where atlantis was/is located, he also made this map, link below, of the earths internal fires. Which looks alot like our map of the hatches...


5/26/2006 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

interesting novel from the 17th century...

The Island of the Day Before (L'isola del giorno prima) is a 1994 novel by Umberto Eco. It is the story of a 17th century Italian nobleman trapped on an island at the International Date Line.

5/26/2006 11:59:00 AM  
Blogger Beka said...

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5/26/2006 12:00:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Kircher published a large number of substantial books on a very wide variety of subjects, such as Egyptology, geology, and music theory. His syncretic approach paid no attention to the boundaries between disciplines which are now conventional: his Magnes, for example, was ostensibly a discussion of magnetism, but also explored other forms of attraction such as gravity and love.

5/26/2006 12:01:00 PM  
Blogger T-emmer23 said...

Sorry, this is extra-long, but I had to get down all of my thoughts. As I said last night (above), they've been building for 2 weeks or so.

I know people have said this video is a fake (in terms of the clues we've gotten so far), but the more I watch it, I'm not so sure. It takes a lot of money to produce an almost-seven-minute video of this quality, and there are things in it that just seem dead-on. Posted to YouTube 5/13/06 by "HoffittFilms." (Couldn't find anything on that or Jerry Hoffitt on Google.)

Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DmsLffPM_Q

Of note:

Very beginning, right after the high-pitched noise, there's a man's voice saying something, low, can't make it out...

Also can't make out the writing on the very bottom of the "Hanso Industries" title page, under "A Jerry Hoffitt Film."

Would also love to know what's on the blackboards...

Mention of "social engineering" in their list of "emerging and converging sciences."

Of real interest now:

Satellite activity: "Once in orbit, the objective of Hanso's new satellite is to observe the geophysical properties of the earth..." and to study the earth's "magnetosphere, the region in space which is distorted by earth's internal magnetic field" (this is a real thing, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetosphere).

While displaying an animation of a satellite coursing over the South Pacific between Australia and the West Coast of the Americas, the voiceover says, "The satellite's secondary objective is to search for and observe any magnetic anomalies that may occur on the earth's surface," and the satellite STOPS over an oceanic region there. Island?

Search for magnetic anomalies?? Hello?

Remember this was put out almost 2 weeks ago...

Also ominously hanso-freaky: the search for young men and women "boldly imaginitive, of character of penetrating curiosity, and of barrier-breaking courage to engineer the future of mankind." What-what? Reminds me of administrator's theories (which I liked a lot) in podcast #2...

Establishment of Hanso Foundation to provide university grants for expirimental research and doctoral training for individuals in "each of the fifty states." (Tie-in to DJDan's recent podcast.) Hanso-funded research labs "put into service at 8 institutions in the last year [1965 I think], 4 more have been previously completed, and another 15 are underway." NUMBERS... (I know, anyone can use the numbers, but in light of everything else, it seems to be legit).

So it uses stock footage, which is why many have dismissed it as a fake. So does thf.org, by the way. This game isn't a major motion picture project. The point is that *they* picked the RIGHT footage, made custom graphics, and the production quality is superb, in my not-exactly-expert-but-somewhat-educated-in-the-field opinion. And the music is perfect. Ans so it's not easily traceable to ABC or Disney, or other corporate sponsors--I haven't been able to trace it to anyone, in fact, maybe someone else has? I think TPTB might want to offer non-commersh clues. And widmore.com is an "ABC" site, right? But according to http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Widmore.com, it is "A fanmade site that poses as ABC registered." So perhaps the video is ABC-made, but undercover for the GAME.

So... not sure if there are any passwords or cyphers or codes or anagrams leading to more hacks into thf.org, but I do think this video provides an insightful, if not *priveleged* POV for the ARG in general, or at the very least, for the show.

Nah, must stay.

5/26/2006 12:05:00 PM  
Blogger T-emmer23 said...

beka, widmoregroup.com and widmore.com are fansites.

5/26/2006 12:08:00 PM  
Blogger Beka said...

o sorry i wasn't sure.

5/26/2006 12:10:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

THAT was a great find, Thrasher. The man that drew that map was into heiroglyphs, magnetism, geology and proposed quarantine and facemasks to prevent disease.

5/26/2006 12:10:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Wow... I slept too much last night.. Look at what I missed. I'm reading through the comments to get completely caught up before I post my ideas, which are formulating as I type this, but wanted to jump in real quick and apologize as well. It irks the poo outta me to see spoilers, but as long as there's fair warning, I can't see much harm in it. I'm sorry for losing my cool on it. Let's keep the game fun, without offending or attacking each other... We're all on the same side, and as far as we know Hanso is our common enemy.... Truce.


5/26/2006 12:14:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Is anyone realy adept at greek mythology? I took it in college, but never really paid great attention, how many toes did the gods have? Could that foot statue be an Atlantian tribute to the gods?

Thanks, Deana, just throwing things out there. Perhaps I am just doing the research the shows producers did to add elements to the show...

5/26/2006 12:15:00 PM  
Blogger T-emmer23 said...

hehe, except for foofish, (s)he's with hanso...

5/26/2006 12:16:00 PM  
Blogger MrDrew78 said...

About the toes..check out chapter IV, The Grounds.


5/26/2006 12:18:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Mr.Drew, fantastic!!!

No if only I could find a picture of Hercules...

5/26/2006 12:22:00 PM  
Blogger Andrew said...


5 toes

5/26/2006 12:25:00 PM  
Blogger T-emmer23 said...

I know there's a lot happening here today, but did anyone see the video I posted? Any thoughts? Sorry if it's way off.

5/26/2006 12:27:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Atlantis may be a strech, since most accounts of it's possible location have it NW of Africa between Africa and the Caribbean...flights from Australia to LA do not fly in that direction unless conecting in an eastern city, non-stops tend to fly east over the pacific. But what do those old heads know from the 17th century...

5/26/2006 12:29:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

MrDrew, thanks and rats, but Hercules was not a god, he was the son of a god, so what did the dieties have for toes?

5/26/2006 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger Andrew said...

I think its a fake and not in game

5/26/2006 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Still going down the mythological road on the foot thing, how many toes did a sphinx have? 4!!! You know we have not talked about the grean and almost transparent bird that said Hurly's name, what's up with that?

5/26/2006 12:52:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...


Extremely well made, but I didn't seem to learn much from it. What I mean is, we already knew all that stuff about social engineering and science converging from the first Orientation film. And we've known since season 1 that the island had unusual magnetic properties. The only relatively new thing is the satellite deal (which we've already discussed in here today) and the idea of satellite tracking being used in the show was really just presented on Wed night. This was put up on the 13th, looks like. It could go either way, I guess. How's that for non-commital? =o)

5/26/2006 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

It is a well made video, but I am on the fence, also non-commital!

My brain hurts!

5/26/2006 12:59:00 PM  
Blogger Andrew said...

My reasoning behind thinking that the video is fake is: nothing really that is "in game" brought us to the video. (unless you are in game t-emmer) spooky music
But, every clue that we have gotten is derived from something that is already determined to be in game. When the new stuff arrives IE sublymonal it is supported by another site or "clue" which is a secondary check to prove to us that it is in game. Now if we were to get a message from P or the jeep Budda or whatever that sent us to this video then I would believe it and look harder into it. But as for now I feel it is a nice video, but not in game.


5/26/2006 01:05:00 PM  
Blogger Matt said...

On the Dj-Dan website, why does the shark bear the swan logo? Shouldn't it be a generic dharma logo?

5/26/2006 01:05:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...


Thrasher: Here's an idea. There were heiroglyphs used in the hatch on the countdown clock, right? Those were deciphered to mean death. Could the statue be a hind foot of Anubis? Consider this:

"Tutankhamun's Anubis, like so many others, bears many features characteristic of a dog: long muzzle, eyes with round pupils, five-toed forefeet and four-toed hind feet."

"Anubis' realm dealt with death and preparation for the afterlife."

5/26/2006 01:11:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Deanna - Excellent idea, I was just researching that same thing.

Anubis was identified as the father of Kebechet, the goddess of the purification of bodily organs.

Missing Organs????

5/26/2006 01:15:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

The hiroglyphics say "cause to die"

5/26/2006 01:16:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Thrasher: Very nice. And Egyptians routinely removed organs from bodies to be mummified. I have no idea how THAT can play in here anywhere...

Matt: You're right. They are different. Lostpedia has both images up for comparison.

5/26/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Blogger nuvs said...

Just a follow-up...sublymonal.com still doesn't work for me.

When I get to the site, I get a rotating Sprite can in a single yellow rectangle (the same shape of the TVs that was on the site when it first launched a few weeks back). Below that, is the text "Do Not Blink. Your Mind is Being Refreshed".

There is no place to enter a password, and the only visible link is the sound off icon.

It looks like they have changed the site sometime today; those of you who can still enter the password as of this posting probably have a cached version of the .swf file.

I guess I was too late to see the changes! :(

5/26/2006 01:19:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Ugh....my head hurts and I have no idea if I am venturing to far from where I should be...there is to much information that can seem to be related to this game and its mythos...my hats off to the creators!!

Peace & Namaste

5/26/2006 01:20:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Does anyone have a screen grab from the show of the statue foot? And the Black rock square thing on the cliff?

5/26/2006 01:23:00 PM  
Blogger mac2133 said...

A co-worker just told me that Charlies' tatoo is the same as the hieroglyphics on the clock when it goes to read and the symbols pop up.

I don't know if this is true or if it was already discussed in an earlier comment. I have read most and did not see it.

She also said at the producers at the beginning of the season stated Charlie's tatoo would become significant.


5/26/2006 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger harcar2001 said...

i still get just a black screen and sound effects on http://www.sublymonal.com/ ... SO IRRITATING!!

5/26/2006 01:26:00 PM  
Blogger Angie said...

HELP I've tried and tried to sign up for the newsletter on thf.org and can't do it. Is it not available anymore? I get "message" saying Hello and asking me if I can "read this." When I type an answer, I get "gotta go." Is this new??

5/26/2006 01:29:00 PM  
Blogger T-emmer23 said...

Thanks for your input on this guys, and I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but...

Just thought of something, the video I mentioned is an old *recruiting* film for Hanso. At one point the narrator even says "HELP WANTED." Kinda ties in to the whole Monster-themed clues with job postings... maybe?

Maybe I'm grasping at straws... I was just so impressed by it...


numb ass day

5/26/2006 01:31:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...


I don't know why I bother to think at all. Lostpedia already has what we've been discussing! Go there. They have great shots of the dang foot... =oP

5/26/2006 01:32:00 PM  
Blogger nuvs said...


The statue image: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Foot-statue.jpg.

The black rock square think: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Rock-with-hole.jpg.

5/26/2006 01:33:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Angie: Is it your first time in there?

5/26/2006 01:34:00 PM  
Blogger Angie said...

no, i've screwed it up a million times and have now cleaned out my cache and all and tried again....driving me nuts! thanks for replying

5/26/2006 01:36:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

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5/26/2006 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger T-emmer23 said...

Oh! and one of the first scenes is a prolonged shot of a book opened up to an ancient Egyptian painting or statue scene... would love to know of what... coincedence? Just thought it eerie in light of above topics...

take another look?


oh, and that would be cool if Charlie has that tatttoo.

5/26/2006 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger Angie said...

ok, seriously, signing in for the newsletter doesn't work. can someone please try it?

5/26/2006 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

From Lostpedia:

41: * [[Charlie]]'s tattoo reads "Living is Easy with Eyes Closed".

I was working with that on Wed. Thrasher. I couldn't get any of my image programs to clear it up, though. Good luck!

5/26/2006 01:46:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

t-emmer, I cannot view youtube sites at work, WTF!!! well, most of them anyway, copied the link to send to my home email, but from what your are describing sounds like the statue may play into it as well.

5/26/2006 01:48:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Deanna, Thanks!! It was cool to think I was having an orginal thought! Oh, well, going there now!!

Peace & New Must Aye!

5/26/2006 01:51:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

Angie: I used hole1.thf.org just to get a clean try and got it to work fine. It was the same as the very first time I did it 3 weeks ago.

5/26/2006 01:53:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

I know! It's disappointing...

5/26/2006 01:53:00 PM  
Blogger oclor said...

Angie, are you typing yes when P asks you if you can see the message?

5/26/2006 02:01:00 PM  
Blogger T-emmer23 said...

Found out the picture is of Akhenaten and Nefretiti... research going nowhere, although in one spot Akhenaten's refered to as one of the "good guys" for being a monotheist...

I give up...

for now...

stay no mas

5/26/2006 02:06:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Deanna, Found that the statue is the Colosuss of Rhoades or similar, but that was beleived to be constructed and errected on the greek island of Rhodes...the island doesn't seem to be near there...hmmm a possible duplicate? Or another statue to Helios??? Interesting....

Peace & No moose tie

5/26/2006 02:11:00 PM  
Blogger Deannacat said...

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5/26/2006 02:16:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Why man, he doth bestride the narrow world
Like a Colossus, and we petty men
Walk under his huge legs and peep about
To find ourselves dishonourable graves

Quote on the bottom of the Satue of Liberty

Inspired from the Rhoades Statue...

Peace & Namaste!

5/26/2006 02:18:00 PM  
Blogger Loden said...

This may be off topic, but has anyone out there looked at www.valenzettifoundation.org ? Site came up in April.

5/26/2006 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Loden, it is a fan site.

5/26/2006 02:26:00 PM  
Blogger Loden said...

thanks thrasher.

5/26/2006 02:31:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

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5/26/2006 02:34:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Dominique Monaghan has two tattoos we see in the show, which I believe are both Dom's and not Charlie's, tho tattoos match Charlie's character: One that all the cast members of Lord of the Rings got of the inscription on the ring and one that says "Living is easy with eyes closed", which is, of course one of the lyrics from Strawberry Fields

5/26/2006 02:49:00 PM  
Blogger jessandgabesmom said...

Is the persephone stuff on sublymonal a clue? When you enter it it brings up mythology, but it cuts off at "produced by" I listened to it and looked at it several times. Is this is clue to a word that we should put somewhere??

5/26/2006 02:59:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

The video was practically pushed in my face when following the game. The link from Hugh Mcintyres mailbox to the jeep advert video had all sorts of key words next to it. Pretty much all pointing to this videos (and other(s) just as professionally made). It seems to me that it would be perfectly logical to find these videos by following the game.

The comparrison to the man in the video and the picture found at persephone.thehansofoundation.org (which has to mean something; it was a hard clue to find) is startling. Is this clue pointing us to the video? And the other video(s) to be found on youtube about the Dharma initiative?

I think that t-emmer23 made very good arguments for the video being something to do with the game, if not just to intrigue us.

I just wish someone could find something concrete.

Thanks for reading

5/26/2006 03:08:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...


I meant the picture to be found at hole2.thehansofoundation.org and NOT persephone.thehansofoundation.org

5/26/2006 03:28:00 PM  
Blogger code-breaker said...

I don't know if you guys know this or not but the number we called at the beginning (1877-426-7674) it's not working anymore. maybe they are up dating the recordings?

5/26/2006 03:54:00 PM  
Blogger projoe1979 said...

Well people like mittlewek and thompson who said they'd be gone for a few weeks should be back by now. Maybe they are updating it...

5/26/2006 04:03:00 PM  
Blogger JessieP said...

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5/26/2006 04:24:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

The defib video has been removed from Youtube...

5/26/2006 04:27:00 PM  
Blogger JessieP said...

Hey Guys, about the foot ... the Colossus of Rhodes was destroyed in an earthquake, broken off at the knee. For a thousand years it lay in shamble on the Island of Rhodes until the Arabs invaded and sold off the pieces to " a Jew from Syria." SOOO Hasno could have bought it and erected it on our Island. check it out:

5/26/2006 04:28:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Jessiep - we kind of figured it out earlier today, nice work though, now try and crack the square black rock on the cliff near the others fake camp....

New Must Eye

5/26/2006 04:33:00 PM  
Blogger Dennis said...


I have seen the Hoffitt film, and it is definitely FAKE.

If you look at about 2:40 there is a "Hanso Industries Tracking Site" sign. Everything in background is blurry and moves around a little, except for the sign. This was OBVIOUSLY edited.

The Hanso logo on the building is a little too "shiny" and looks computer generated. The opening and closing screens would be very easy to add.

I think what they did is use some generic space/science educational video, and re-record the sound so they could add Hanso and Dharma references.

100 bonus points to someone who finds the orignal video.

5/26/2006 04:34:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Nice, we are getting points now, are the arbitrary like the ones given out on Whose Line is it Anyway? If so I demand 200,000 points up front!



5/26/2006 04:37:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

If it is fake, it is definitely well produced. The graphic used as the "magnetosphere" is the same as that on DJDAN's site. We are in this ARG, but remember that all Hanso videos are fake in reality. The beginning says it's a "Jerry Hotfitt Film", which is a name we have never heard in the game or the show. I believe it is an extremely well done fan film, however I don't believe that we will ever find "the original". I think it's a series of different clips, strung together, along with images that are relevant to the game/show. Anyone could create a video of that nature with enough time by attaching clips together and putting the final film through filters to make it seem old.

5/26/2006 04:50:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

JessieP -- It's always the Jews, isn't it?!

5/26/2006 04:56:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Matt - It is strange as I was doing my digging and found some cool stuff that may relate in greek mythology I noticed that the Jewish religion came up alot. Hitler himself actually searched for a mythic greek power that would give him ever lasting life and ultimate power. But alas he did not succeed. Many religions and Lost mythos are rooted in greek mythology. Read up on some of my early posts with some interesting things including a guy that was into alot of the same things Hanso is into, but in the 17th century. He even made a map that looks like our island hatch map...

Good Luck & Namaste

5/26/2006 05:01:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

thrasher76 -- "Alas"?

But yes, I can see connections to famous alchemists (Albertus Magnus, alias Albert de Groot), Greek and Egyptian mythology, and so on and so forth. And of course most ancient mythologies borrowed from one another.

5/26/2006 05:09:00 PM  
Blogger Richard said...

i agree, the video has got to be real.
i understand why some people don't think it is, but i don't see how it can't be.

5/26/2006 05:14:00 PM  
Blogger Dennis said...

If anyone is having trouble loading the Sublymonal website, I had to reload the page three or four times to get it work. It must be overloaded. Keep trying though, it does work.

5/26/2006 05:20:00 PM  
Blogger JessieP said...

yup, read the thread on Colussus of Rhodes and thought I'd add that while Rhodes is waaay off course from our Island, it was indeed sold off in pieces.
Oh and very cool stuff on that 17th century map! (I'm so much happier checking this stuff out than figggering out the ASCII codes!)

By the way, check out a Shinto shrine called Ise Jingu. Just some tidbits: it attracts many "lost souls", is rebuilt every 20 years ( next time in 2016.)and is dedicated to a sun goddess who gave her soon-to-be emperor grandson a mirror as a symbol of soul-searching and honesty.

Seems Hanso is interested in lots of different mythologies.

Mattthepale: Ain't it the truth! We Jews sure likes our treasures!

5/26/2006 05:23:00 PM  
Blogger ShawnM said...

here is some food for thought
...atlantis is in the bermuda triange (DJDAN and thf.com mystery spot on the world map) there are two other "lost" civilizations related to atlantis, mu and lemuria, one supposedly in the south pacific.

...the date Oct. 28th came up a few times in the Hanso site although one is now gone and this relates to the Philadelphia experiment which was ment to use electomagnatism to make things invisble.

...in wikipedia if you look up lemuria you will find a tidbit about the Madrid Codex, it is a Mayan text once believed to refer to lemuria and AH was last seen in Madrid.

...while looking deeper into the Maya and predictions I found some pretty wild sites about the world ending in 2012 and that the Maya have predicted it, also the Maya dating system worked in 5 digit sequences so would be a date, also what of our 6rh digit??

...well that is a lot but I will throw out one more thing before I go, there has been talk of Anubis lately and it reminds me of another Eygptian god Apophis, which is the name of a Near Earth Orbit Asteriod found on June 19th 2004(the year Lost began) that will pass painfully close to earth in 2013, 2021 and 2029... perhaps Hanso is trying to knock a comet out of orbit to save/destroy the earth??

...I have a few more crazy ideas but just wanted to throw those out for now, Nameste and good luck.

5/26/2006 05:33:00 PM  
Blogger Richard said...

the video:
there is just too much detailed info it coroborates which has only come to light in the last few days. BUT, it is stuff which was revealed on the TV SHOW and not necessarily the LOST EXPERIENCE.
i'm so confused, and either way, the video seems to be pretty freaking accurate and wellmade.

as for the fact that it's been computer edited:
no duh! even if it was done by the producers themselves, its clear they used stock footage.
i'm intrigued by the pan accross the students in the room, when it takes like 30 seconds to pan accross them. will we see these actors in season 3 or 4?!?!?!
that would rule.

whatever, my head's exploding.

nomos de: richard

5/26/2006 05:43:00 PM  
Blogger JessieP said...

ShawnM: Yo, that is some good sht!! My head is swimming. More of your crazy ideas please!!!

5/26/2006 05:44:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

shawnm: a lot of interesting points... I've known of the Mayan calendar and their prediction of the world coming to an end in 2012... they were a pretty advanced civilization that just up and vanished out of nowhere, so I don't take their predictions lightly... Not sure how the Valenzetti Equation would work into your theory, tho, but we still don't exactly know what the Valenzetti equation is.

I remember that comet... it did happen around the beginning of the show, so it's possible that it influenced their ideas during the creation... interesting idea that I haven't heard proposed prior to this...

5/26/2006 05:53:00 PM  
Blogger JessieP said...

I just watched the video. I'm just as confused as the rest of you. I do think it's a pretty expensive proposition for a fan to fake. How did we find it again?

5/26/2006 06:00:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

jessiep: It is only located on youtube, by searching for Hanso, which is why I think it's fake. All the other game/show related videos have been released through large commercial companies (sponsors), whereas youtube is not. Also the "Jerry Hotfitt Film" tag at the bottom of the opening title screen isn't the style of any other video we've seen, and doesn't go along with the rest of the "film". The "electromangeto sphere" is the same as we see on DJDAN.AM, but that could have been placed in using Premiere or another editing tool. The quality of the production leads me to believe that it is real, however the fact that it is ONLY found on youtube makes me think it is fake. I have sent several emails to hotfitt and have not received a reply. Hell, even Hugh McIntyre replies when you email him.

5/26/2006 06:09:00 PM  
Blogger JessieP said...

Hey bellyofdesire: totally see your points. Still, mouse does have more than one hole. Arg. I'm confused.

I'm so jealous of folks who've gotten email responses from McIntyre! I sent several media reqs ( I actually am a journalist!) to him and DJ dan, and Hansocareers, and everyother email address provided or found... and I got exactly squat. Guess I'm just not Hanso material. humph.

By the way, anyone read ( maybe here or on another blog) that when you slow down the Hanso ad, right when the DNA sequence begins, just to the left, there's hidden code? XL, an M and later 213? I've tried to slow it down with zero luck. ( also tried viewing on Youtube)

5/26/2006 06:36:00 PM  
Blogger JessieP said...

one more thing about the video originating on YouTube... a long while ago, someone found job listings on Monster that seemed to be connected to Hanso. They tried to enquire and got no response. Now Monster is the host of the hansocareers site. So I guess I'm saying, it's possible that the vid is in-game and we'll be given a clue about it later ( which will also serve as an ad for YouTube.) I dunno.

5/26/2006 06:54:00 PM  
Blogger Richard said...

yea, monster.com has definately been 'in game' in the past. the phone # that started this whole thing (and is now down) had a monster ad on it.

5/26/2006 07:04:00 PM  
Blogger Howard said...


First time entry here. Thanks for all the work you have all done.

Observation: The picture on the Electromagnetic Research Initiative says it is early moring hours of October 62, 9291. If we assume (dangerous, I know) that the numbers are reversed, that gives us October 26, 1929, the date of the great stock market crash. Since crashes are so integral to the story, thought it worth mentioning


5/26/2006 07:13:00 PM  
Blogger Richard said...

that's interesting, as i dont remember ever making that connection.
Way to keep your eyes open...

5/26/2006 07:29:00 PM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Did anyone see the DEFIB video?

It has been removed from YouTube. I wonder what was in it that it had to be removed?

The DEFIB code still shows up on the SubLymonal website, but no video.

5/26/2006 07:51:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...


AND to take the risk that the people commenting would tear you apart.

Good pick-up though..

5/26/2006 07:52:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

anyone clicked on the RSS feed? it says this
"The Hanso Foundation

The Hanso Foundation


Board of Directors updated

~ Jacob Vanderfield The XML page cannot be displayed
Cannot view XML input using CSS style sheet. Please correct the error and then click the Refresh button, or try again later.


Reference to undefined entity 'shy'. Error processing resource 'http://www.thehansofoundation.org/feed/thehansofoundation.x...

­ Liddy Wales"

What does this mean, has it been talked about yet?

5/26/2006 08:03:00 PM  
Blogger Andrew said...

I want to say it came along about the same time as the Inmate Asylum clue.

5/26/2006 08:06:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

darn, just getting into the game, a little bit behind.

5/26/2006 08:09:00 PM  
Blogger dorthea said...

shawnm: Atlantis is not actually located in the Bermuda Triangle. This is a common misconception, but based on who the myths of Atlantis come from it would be impossible for Atlantis to be located in the Bermuda Triangle. Those who our Atlantis myths originated with were not aware of that particular area of the sea. Exact location of the lost city is still the subject of great debate and can’t be pin-pointed so easily. Theories still exist for the city to be located in the Mediterranean Sea, the Indian Sea, and even on the continent of Antarctica.

Either way based on the amount of Mythology the lost creators are throwing at us, I wouldn’t go adding anything that the clues don’t point to… such as Atlantis.

DJDan referenced the Bermuda Triangle, has anyone looked up the mythology around that? One theory about why the Bermuda Triangle has caused disappearances has to do with electromagnetics. THAT’S INTERESTING.

5/26/2006 08:11:00 PM  
Blogger Him said...

The island is not Atlantis.

5/26/2006 08:57:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

Him, are you "He" him or pulling our leg?

5/26/2006 09:12:00 PM  
Blogger Him said...


A wildly different path of evolution. The four toes signify first step into the seperation between them and us.

The statue is ancient, their history not ours. Our evolution lead to what we are now. What did it lead them to become?

5/26/2006 09:27:00 PM  
Blogger Chaserace said...

First time posting a comment.

Just an observation. I noticed on Lost that the man with the removable beard was named Tom. Maybe short for Thomas Mittelwerk? Possibly worth looking into.

5/26/2006 09:34:00 PM  
Blogger ShawnM said...

perhaps I should have said "some say Atlantis is in the bermuda triangle" no one knows where or if it was or is. Here is a tidbit from one site



Edgar Cayce, who was know as a healer and psychic, and also as the father of holistic medicine, claimed that he was, in a former life, a citizen of Atlantis. Cayce told of an advanced civilization, with all the inventions of our modern day life including weapons of mass destruction. The most notable weapon being the "death ray". Death rays came in all sizes, but a giant death ray machine, which was the largest of all their weapons is said to be the weapon that destroyed Atlantis. Cayce also predicted that the western ridge of Atlantis would be discovered off the coast of the Bimini islands. In The 1960's a startling discovery was made in that same place. It was that of an ancient roadway built out of large stones which was under the ocean off the coast of Bimini. Could this be an ancient highway of Atlantis?

5/26/2006 09:42:00 PM  
Blogger ZeroDark said...

Dennis: I have seen the DEFIB video, so it does work. More importantly, as I posted early the very beginning of the video shows "DVR Ready" at the bottom of the screen. Before even clicking on the link to the video you see the message "when you slow things down you see more" on the subLYMONal page. I can't slow the video down on my player, but I have a feeling there may be a clue in there somewhere.

Howard: While that's definitely a good catch on the Black Monday reference, I dont think there's anything behind it but coincidence. If you notice the pic above that caption you'll see an x and y value that changes as you move the mouse. If you place the mouse on coordinates 629-291 (which is the zero point on the graph on the right) you can click and reveal a button leading you back to the letyourcompassguideyou.com compass. The coordinates for this were limited by the fact that the page has frames above and to the left. Given that, I doubt the producers could have actually planned the date to coincide with the stock market crash.

...Besides, Black Monday was October 28, 1929 :)

5/26/2006 09:43:00 PM  
Blogger Izzyjman said...

How does the breaking strain thing work, every time i go to the newletter sign up, i type in breaking strain as the username i want to use, and then i click next and the screen freezes, does anyone know what i am doing wrong, if so leave a comment. It would be greatly appreciated

5/26/2006 09:46:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

It's quite alright, Jeff. Welcome to the game.

This is getting off topic, but researching I've discovered some VERY interesting things about electromagnetism... There's a man named John Hutchison, after whom the Hutchison Effect is named. This is some pretty amazing footage and explains the entire thing. A lot of the ideas being introduced in the show and game are put into real application on this video. They also explain some very trippy dangers that are risked when harnessing the energy. I really suggest watching this. It really is quite amazing and shows actual footage of the power that the Hanso Foundation is harnessing.

As for the bermuda triangle reference this site offers and explanation as to the theories that present links between Atlantis and the Bermuda triangle. As he said, no one really knows, so there is no right or wrong here.

5/26/2006 10:05:00 PM  
Blogger Izzyjman said...

BellyOfDesire, can you help me out?

5/26/2006 10:09:00 PM  
Blogger ShawnM said...

Just out of curiosity does anyone know the point of this "game"?? Except perhaps to keep everyone interested in Lost for the next 5 monthes?

5/26/2006 10:09:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Zerodark: The DEFIB video DID work, but doesn't any more. As for the "when you slow things down, you see more" message. This is just a plug for you to go to the ebay auction for those ugly shoes. I slowed it down, and in the middle of all the chaotic animations, you can see in a bubble "code: scan". I don't believe there are any clues in the Sprite ads. There maybe something in the DJ DAN podcast or some clue in the persephone clue, but other than that, I've picked them a part like crazy and can find nothing.... if you can prove me wrong, PLEASE do so

5/26/2006 10:10:00 PM  
Blogger T-emmer23 said...

Yeah, I'm still into the Hoffitt video until concrete proof it's a fan thing. Editing, and decent editing at that, isn't proof of fakery. If anything, it points MORE to game production. We already know TPTB use stock footage/photos. I think it's reasonable that not every single part of this game is immersed in corporate sponsorship. I'll keep referring to it, as long as there are correlations. Which brings me to...

The Mayan prediction thing is interesting. In the film, it's mentioned twice (I think) that Hanso is doing their experiments so that they can "advance" humanity within the next 50 YEARS (specifically). If it's supposed to be 1965, and they'd been at it for a few years, Hanso's vision should be realized (according to plan) sometime between 2005 and 2015. Why? They have the date of the end of the world like the Mayans (via Valenzetti)? Trying to engineer "a better tomorrow"?

Also wanted to note, the poster's profile on youtube, "HoffittFilms" states that he's a 74-year-old male.

Nimbus Day

5/26/2006 10:11:00 PM  
Blogger Dennis said...

ZERODARK: I'm sure the DEFIB video DID work at some point...but it does not work now. Now, when you enter the DEFIB code, then click on the TV, it takes you to the YouTube page, but it says "This video has been removed by the user."

What was the DEFIB video about? What I was wondering is why they had to pull it? Was there something offensive it it?

5/26/2006 10:14:00 PM  
Blogger Izzyjman said...

Can anyone please help me out?

5/26/2006 10:16:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

izzyjman: I'm checkin' it now to make sure it still works okay... you don't have to type in breaking strain as your name... that might be why it's freezing on you. first type your name and click Next... not breaking strain

5/26/2006 10:21:00 PM  
Blogger T-emmer23 said...

as described in the early clues on this site, type in any user name, and when prompted , answer yes, then put in breaking strain as the password.

have fun catching up... took me almost 2 weeks... but I'm slow. :-)

5/26/2006 10:24:00 PM  
Blogger ShawnM said...

--IZZY Try this goto www.hole1.thf.org I beleive this resets your cookies on the site. When Persephone asks her question just type in Y and hit enter

5/26/2006 10:26:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

^^^ what he said... and welcome to the game... :D our favorite obsession and the most productive and interesting way to waste your time

5/26/2006 10:27:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

when I said "^^^what he said" i was referring to t-emmer23... not sure about what shawnm said...

word... and namaste

5/26/2006 10:28:00 PM  
Blogger ShawnM said...

__T-EMMER I saw that video just as I was getting into all this I bought it then, and after the end of season 2 I think that even if its not part of the game it is dead on.

5/26/2006 10:29:00 PM  
Blogger Izzyjman said...

Finally, thankyou so much, bellyofdesire, t-emmer23, and shawnm. I finally can see what you are talking about. Thankyou so much.

5/26/2006 10:32:00 PM  
Blogger T-emmer23 said...

yeah, whoever made it either has inside info, or one hell of a knack for theories.

BTW, belly, I'm a she...

5/26/2006 10:33:00 PM  

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