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Clue #45 - Persephone (13) MFI Update, War




There has been an update to the Mathematical Forecasting Initiative page on the Hanso website. In the bottom right, there is a new picture that says MFI Forecast Map. If you click on it, it takes you to a map of the world, with clickable pictures that give you information about the countries. Also, in the middle of Asia, there is a hidden link that says, written backwards, "She was an employee of the foundation".

Using information from the "CIA World Fact Book" fill in the following blanks:
  • In the USA, if you click the dollar sign, type 42,000 in the blank and hit enter, it begins to glow blue.
  • In Italy, if you click the syringe, type in 10.4 in the blank and then hit enter, it also begins to glow blue (and you quickly see a flash of the Dr. from Joop's pic).
  • In Sudan, click the person, type 2.55 in the blank and hit enter, it too begins to glow blue
  • A circle appears south of India. If you click that, it takes you to a letter from Peter Thompson, followed by a message from Persephone saying "The Hanso Foundation: Starting wars so you dont have to."
*Props to John Sarallo, Vince Delaney, MrInvisible, Cecilia/PandoraX, & JCS107 for cracking this clue first!

FYI: The Speaker (insidetheexperience.com), The Lost Ninja (Australia 7 Network), and the UK Blogger (UK Channel 4) are all working together in conjunction with game creators. The Lost Ninja has an anagram on his site right now but we're pretty sure it is only to tell Australian fans where they can pick up a copy of "Bad Twin". If you're in Sydney, stop by the Customs House on Friday during the "Japan Historical Photo Exhibition". Keep an eye on Ninja's site as he will soon be revealing a "password" question that you have to ask to prove that you're not with the Hanso Foundation so you can get a copy of the book. Aussie fans...let us know if there are any clues revealed at this event besides the handing out/selling of books.

P.S. New Podcast coming tomorrow...

216 Comments:

Blogger k.barrick said...

First? Please?

5/30/2006 02:14:00 PM  
Blogger kittenry said...

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5/30/2006 02:15:00 PM  
Blogger kittenry said...

Hi, I've been tracking the MFI map situation for the last hour and a half or so. I'm posting and updating my findings by the moment on my of Lost related stuff.

5/30/2006 02:17:00 PM  
Blogger T-emmer23 said...

nice one, K.

On the ninja page about Bad Twin and the Gallery, there are intermittent letters in italics... "CuStom sHou" is what I found. I'll try to anagram...

5/30/2006 02:18:00 PM  
Blogger hypes blog said...

the blue lights, looks like poloa lights i think
regards

5/30/2006 02:19:00 PM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Here is some stuff hidden from the flash file:

Man From MHI: http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7351/image101ee.jpg
Man and Woman?: http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4748/image116af.jpg
Labcoat: http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/577/image125pp.png
Letter: http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/8083/image138xl.jpg

Also, here's a link that was hiding the flash: http://www.familytrack.net/listing.html

Very simple page with a single entry box. Doesn't seem to do anything.

5/30/2006 02:19:00 PM  
Blogger hypes blog said...

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5/30/2006 02:22:00 PM  
Blogger K.C. Farmer said...

Looks like a wave of folks found this one. My guess is it took some a little time to find the three pass codes (42000, 2.55, and 10.4), which are conveniently lifted from the CIA Factbook. Looks like that might be a useful reference for some of the other clues that we may get stuck on.

5/30/2006 02:23:00 PM  
Blogger hypes blog said...

sorry,
what i mean is:
the lights from the spots look like POLAR LIGHTS

5/30/2006 02:23:00 PM  
Blogger hypes blog said...

dennis

Labcoat: http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/577/image125pp.png

remembers me on the hole2 picture!!!!!
the face...

5/30/2006 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger jeminia said...

I was thinking the same thing about the hole picture.
Maybe they all fit together?

5/30/2006 02:28:00 PM  
Blogger The Dane said...

maybe a new version of a gary troup video is avilible, nr. 7

5/30/2006 02:34:00 PM  
Blogger The Dane said...

Anybody checked the other numbers?

Looks like mr. thompson manipulated with the growth rate for philipines and botswana.

Maybe there is a pattern

5/30/2006 02:36:00 PM  
Blogger mamakau said...

what is the ninja page?

5/30/2006 02:37:00 PM  
Blogger TheBookPolice said...

Man From MHI: http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7351/image101ee.jpg

Henry Gale?

5/30/2006 02:39:00 PM  
Blogger The Dane said...

The growth rate for phillippines and botswana are correct.

5/30/2006 02:39:00 PM  
Blogger cne100 said...

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5/30/2006 02:40:00 PM  
Blogger rguy73 said...

Has anyone else noticed that the name of the corporation listed at top of latest leter from Peter Thompson is" Ministry of Interior MUGATO" <<<<< FYI... Google lists Mugato as a BIG BEAR OF WHITE COLOR........any connection here folks????

5/30/2006 02:40:00 PM  
Blogger drominore said...

Hehehe. At least now others found the familytrack link... We've been watching it for a while and figured it would be activated later on... Nothing seemed to work on it.. Props though to the folks who ripped through this first...

Drom

5/30/2006 02:42:00 PM  
Blogger lostgrrl said...

Nobody has mentioned the small white dot above Antartica and about halfway between Australia and Africa....the Island perhaps?

5/30/2006 02:44:00 PM  
Blogger bleekrause said...

t-emmer 23 If you change the c to a P you get posthumous. The mouse hole clue had a mistake, maybe this one does, too.

5/30/2006 02:45:00 PM  
Blogger TheBookPolice said...

Ha! I remember that critter from Star Trek! It's funny to see where special effects have come.

I doubt there is a connection. I also would not refer to the Star Trek critter as a bear.

I would guess it's just trying to evoke Joseph Mobutu (Congolese dictator from 1965-1997) without actually saying his name.

5/30/2006 02:45:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

customs house

5/30/2006 02:47:00 PM  
Blogger T-emmer23 said...

Re: ninja...

Seems to be a seperate clue for now. Go to

http://www.insidetheexperience.com/

and click "ninja" in speaker's post. You will be brought to

http://au.blogs.yahoo.com/lostninja/1756/want-to-find-a-copy-of-bad-twin-pt1

where you will find letters italicised in the text. I missed one above, others have found "customs house"

don't know what it means yet.

5/30/2006 02:48:00 PM  
Blogger rguy73 said...

Kyle , if you print off Joops face and then again you get that mans face super imposed under it....you also find him on the MENTAL HEATLH page of Hanso

5/30/2006 02:48:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

BTW people, the RSS feed on my side listed the Joop page was updated as well as a few others. Not sure if it's a glitch but I'm throwing it out since at least one other person on the Speaker site posted about it.

5/30/2006 02:49:00 PM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Kyle,

Oops. I meant MHA.

It's not Henry Gale. This is the same picture that is at the top of the Mental Health Appeal page. This image is also the "face" you can see behind Joop.

They are getting a lot of use out of that photo. I wonder if he will be important in the future.

5/30/2006 02:50:00 PM  
Blogger T-emmer23 said...

Hah!

http://www.70disco.com/startrek/mugato.htm

Episode: "A Private Little War"

5/30/2006 02:51:00 PM  
Blogger K.C. Farmer said...

If the creators of this game wanted to really make it interesting, how soon would the Hanso Foundation begin a massive misinformation campaign to throw us off or discredit the source of the hacks?

I could easily seen them doing this from now until the start of the season in the fall.

I also find this Peter Thompson character a bit useless as a corporate lawyer. He's got his name on every piece of evidence so far, including emails. Any good corporate attorney will tell you to keep your company emails as pristine as possible because they are very easy to obtain as evidence.

Another thing we don't really see with Hanso is their competition. Even research or spook organizations have their competitors. Claims of a 105+ year old Joop would have half of the Pharmaceutical corporations heading to Copenhagen in an attempt to find out what secrets they are hiding.

5/30/2006 02:53:00 PM  
Blogger JessiePao said...

Also on world map: ALGERIA is only one in all caps

5/30/2006 02:55:00 PM  
Blogger The Dane said...

Anybody noticed the blue spot over Cuba, next to florida.

I dont believe there is an island there.

What does that mean?

5/30/2006 02:55:00 PM  
Blogger The Dane said...

Is it Lindehof or J J that is a huge Star Trek fan?

5/30/2006 02:58:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

ARG! All I did was take a lunch and I missed all this?! Every time I step away something happens... maybe I should step away more often... meh... lemme see what I can make out of this... Looks like we've still got some to figure out...

btw... I'm pretty sure that Lost Ninja is just a fan's blog... it's a pretty strange post for a fans blog... idk what's going on there..

I already got my copy of Bad Twin, long long ago... strange...... anyway, on to the real clue :D



this is very exciting and it looks like there's still more to do! so I'm not too late!


Namaste!

5/30/2006 03:02:00 PM  
Blogger nb said...

Apparently the reigon where the employee is from a weird spot. There isn't much in that area... there are no rivers that form the border between Mongolia & China, yet that is not quite where the Great Wall is either. Looks like one of the smaller cities, there is a railroad in that area as well.

5/30/2006 03:02:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

Or Carlton...

Anyone who thinks that JJ Abrams is the only one responsible for Lost and the Experience, etc... is foolish. JJ co-created the series with two others including Lindelof AND JJ Abrams has been off doing production and press for M:I:3.

If he wasn't key in the final episodes of ALIAS, then I certainly don't expect his influence with LOST at the moment.

Sorry. Kinda bitter about the lack of attention to the other writers and producers. Got a writer's crush on David Fury and Drew Goddard. (Goddard better go over to LOST this next season)

5/30/2006 03:04:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

Lost Ninja and the blogger for Channel 4 in the UK are overseas equivalents of the Speaker on http://insidetheexperience.com.

I say official and in-game. Especially because I'm JEALOUS the Australian folks get to participate in some kind of covert op to get the book! I want a coded question. :(

5/30/2006 03:06:00 PM  
Blogger takethesewords said...

test...sorry guys

5/30/2006 03:11:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Yes, the Ninja's blog is official, but I'd consider his "clue" as a side-quest. Not necessary for the game. You're right tho, they do get to go on a covert op to get a book... and all I did was go to Barnes and Noble. But I can imagine the reaction to the B&N clerk when I walk up and start spewing out cryptic passwords to get a copy of the book.. lol... (sigh).. anywho..


So, has it been confirmed that the image that flashes every so often on the MFI map screen is the same gentleman from the MHA page? I'm trying to clean up a screen shot I took, but, so far it looks like the same guy to me...

5/30/2006 03:15:00 PM  
Blogger Arthur said...

A computer illiterate question. At the end of the newest Peter Thompson letter is the question: "Are you useing the latest version of V-Message? Download V-message 7 today!" Is this something to look into?

5/30/2006 03:16:00 PM  
Blogger TheBookPolice said...

Oops. I meant MHA.

This is where my weakness lies. Thanks to restrictions in place on my workplace computer, I am unable to view the Hanso site. Thanks to restrictions in place on my time at home due to small dog activity, I am rarely able to dig around at home.

I try to keep up, but I miss a few things. Thanks for the update!

5/30/2006 03:17:00 PM  
Blogger kRaZyD said...

Can't find the "circle" south of india to click on. Where is it?
What do people think about www.bigspaceship1.com ?
it used to post something about hanso now it only says "TIME GOD"
which in greek mythology is chronos.
I've tried it at THF and this website.
No Dice...

And what's this ninja thing?

UK, US, and ITALY are in cap also.

5/30/2006 03:20:00 PM  
Blogger d~nice said...

customs house is a place in sydney - where they plan on handing out the books?

5/30/2006 03:23:00 PM  
Blogger kittenry said...

Hey guys, still updating all of the notes and images and so forth, but I think I've got a fair bit posted at my .

Also, someone linked it the other day, and it probably still has relevance given all the new information, but here is
my look at the Jeep ad from a touch back. Please feel free to leave comments and suggestions.

5/30/2006 03:31:00 PM  
Blogger JD said...

Is anyone else getting a little disapointed in the advancement of the plot here. We get the picture, Hanso is bad, the executives are bad the board of directors is bad... I'm personally getting bored. So far the clues are either so easy, anagrams, that any web based anagram solver will spit out the answer and you just pick the most logical ones and use trial and error or we have things like the faceless guy that we havn't solved two weeks later. And to top it all off after a week with no clues or puzzels we get a stupid quiz on statistical data that just gives us another piece of paper that says Hanso does bad things. Now everyone will discect the pop up images for weeks, look for smaller clues all over the place and post another 400 comments on this clue that all lead no where...

Sorry, but I'm getting bored. You'd think with the funding ABC has and the amount on corporate sponsership they've dumped on top of this they could actually give us a story. I mean I can sum up the plot so far in one scentence: "Persephone hacks the Hanso web site and tells us that Hanso is bad."

These guys are going to loose my attention real quick if they don't come up with something better...

5/30/2006 03:37:00 PM  
Blogger projoe1979 said...

Well at least you can tell by the lack of anything really substantial in a week that this game does indeed have the smell of the Lost writing staff on it. Maybe we'll have to sit through a month of bad clues before they finally ramp it up before the third season.

5/30/2006 03:50:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

krazyd: kronos or chronus is the greek god of time, father of Zeus and Demeter and grandfather, of course, of Persephone... a little trivia for you...

Make sure you enter the site using http://thehansofoundation.org without any "www" or section extension. Not sure if this is why you are having a problem seeing the circle, but, I wasn't having a problem and after you posted your problem, I tried it using the www and with section=maths and was unable to see the circle using either method.

d~nice: looks like that's what the ninja's clue is saying

kittenry: I posted a link to that breakdown of the image in the thread for that actual clue... which seems to have gone missing. I should alert the admin that the site is not working properly. Did you write up that particular breakdown? If so, good job!

Looks like someone cheated their way into seeing the hidden images, which I suppose is the more efficient way, but here is a screenshot of the "labcoat man" from the actual map if anyone wants to see.

jd and projoe1979: I'm still having quite a bit of fun with this... sorry you're losing interest, not sure exactly what you were expecting, but hopefully it will pick up a little bit, before you completely lose interest... also not really sure what you are meaning with the swing you took at the Lost writing staff, I think Lost has some of the best writing I've ever experienced in a television program.

5/30/2006 03:52:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

kittentry:This is the jeep clue where you'll find the link to that "breakdown".

5/30/2006 03:54:00 PM  
Blogger JD said...

Lost kind of did the same thing to me. There were quite a few weeks there that the plot went no where. I was on the verge of taking Lost off the Tivo when they picked it up double time. Maybe we will see the asme thing here. I think tht's what ProJoe was refering to. Maybe we both just have short attention spans....

5/30/2006 03:57:00 PM  
Blogger projoe1979 said...

Oh, I'm having fun, it's just we haven't learned much yet, not that I was expecting to learn a whole lot in just a couple weeks.
And by my shot about teh writers I just meant that there was about a 3 week stretch a month before the season finale that it seemed so little happened. In the comic book world we call it decompressed story telling. Take an idea that might need only two books to tell the story but spread it over 6 issues to fill space. It seems like they're taking ideas that could take a portion of an episode to explain and spreading ot out over multiple episodes just to fill time (which leads me to believe that they really don't have a planned ending just yet). The episode where the Pearl station was discovered broke that streak, but then the 2nd to last episode seemed to drag, and the finale could have taken all the important info and put into a regular one hour episode. To me there's a lot of filler, but thankfully when something big does happen it helps erase the bad moments.

5/30/2006 04:03:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

as far as the pace goes, remember theyre probably trying to stretch this through the summer, so the pace may be a slower than some people like.

5/30/2006 04:05:00 PM  
Blogger projoe1979 said...

Well the pace has been pretty fast I think, it's just not leading to anything ground breaking or earth shattering... just yet. And since I've already invested this much time into the whole experience I'll be sticking around for the long haul no matter what.

5/30/2006 04:08:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

The picture of the labcoat is the same as the one found hidden in the one of the other flash files. I found this out from here.

http://jayandjack.com/wiki/index.php?title=Thehansofoundation.org

This was a picture that seemed very obscure in that I only pretty much just found it along with a few other people I have read about who seem pretty hot at this Lost Experience stuff. The point belly0fdesire made about someone cheated their way to these pictures may be true but it seems that it has been the ONLY way to get this picture before (the place the labcoat pic was found previously has been around for some time now). Therefore if there is a way to get to this picture through the game it seems to be eluding everybody.

5/30/2006 04:17:00 PM  
Blogger JD said...

I'll be sticking around too I'd just like to see a plot. So far it's just evidence left on hacks in a web site. I don't see a story developing. There are still 3 directors, 2 executives and 2 projects that we don't have the dirt on (give or take). Are the next 7 clues going to be more muckracking on the remaining pages of the web site? They could at least throw in somthing to put P's motives in doubt. Something... I guess the last couple of advancements have been big let downs, Kimmel interview was nothing, faceless guy was nothing, Speaker hyped up this week and then its a single pice of paper...

I am having fun just in a bad mood at work and a little disapointed with the last clue. I'll be quiet for the rest of the day. You guys enjoy

5/30/2006 04:23:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I think that the link that is hidden in the flash file is quite interesting.

http://www.familytrack.net/listing.php

I got to a form which asked for my email and then sent them a message. Wonder if they will respond.

Although the site seems basic, I have been to that many sites that are not in-game; the fact that this one appears to be in-game(from a link found on THF.org albeit hidden in a flash file) makes it more interesting I think.

Thanks for reading

5/30/2006 04:29:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

wizardry_eas: This is where you will see the image that you found embedded in the flash file... decompiling the flash leads us to a lot of "clues" that make no sense... I decompiled the flash on the stsebastianhospital site to try to debunk it's validity, but in general, I think decompiling the flash files gives us false leads and access to stock photos that may not be a part of the game... just imho, of course...

I also REALLY want to know what's up with the faceless man image... it's still drivin' me nuts...

5/30/2006 04:29:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

My advice to those that feel it is going slow: Take some time away and do soemthign other than sit in front of your computer...I had a great memorial day weekend in the 'real world'...this is entertainment and it can consume you, while the real world is going on outside...my official rant of the day!!!

Peace & Namaste

5/30/2006 04:32:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I believe the possibility that many of the clues that do not appear to do anything (mainly the many pictures and things found and the words missing organs) are more trying to make up a kind of a plot and that things will become more clear later. Possibly?

Or not. He he

5/30/2006 04:32:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

I must say I am bummed out that I was not on earlier to join in on the fun of hunting down the answer to this clue, I could have used the mental stimulation!! Honestly, I need a slight break from it all and will only check on things when I have no work to do, holiday weekends mean loads of work...

This is a pretty interesting clue. Perhaps we will learn more about some of the other projects...

Peace & Namaste

5/30/2006 04:37:00 PM  
Blogger kittenry said...

belly: yes, that's the one. i did in fact, compile, or interpret the information. the only reason there isn't more posted on my flickr image of the jeep ad is that apparently, there's only so much you can write!

i enjoy puzzles where the challenge is interpretation and not decompiling. not sure why blogger was messing with the text and links of my above comments, but you know, whatever.

5/30/2006 04:38:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Wiz, My thoughts exactly, take it all in and use what you can...not everything is going to fit into the small picture...but will play out when they see fit...I do love this experience so far...

5/30/2006 04:39:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Belly0fdesire
I agree that it is possible that there could be meaningless stuff hidden in there. Seems to me that the makers of this experience could also deliberately give us a lot of rubbish (red herrings) but I like to believe that things like that are found for a reason (it is a strange picture after all) and I will be blissfully unaware of "red herrings" as the thought would spoil it a little for me.

5/30/2006 04:42:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Is that other hidden image (the one with the old man and woman) not of Alvar Hanso and someone.
It looks like the photo of him that is hidden in THF.org behind the main image of him in the building.

I could be wrong. Not sure what importance it would be anyway.

5/30/2006 04:51:00 PM  
Blogger patchwork3930 said...

The Lost Ninja is not just a fan's blog, it is the Aussie version of Speaker.

I can't get to Sydney unfortunately, but hopefully somone else will get all the info to post here. I wish I could go.

5/30/2006 04:56:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

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5/30/2006 05:07:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

patchwork: yeah... that's already been determined and is posted on the front page.

thrasher76: yeah, I hadn't noticed you on here for a few days and was wondering if you had lost interest... glad you're back on!

5/30/2006 05:14:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87iY776hcsA&search=Dharma

Sorry to bring up the fake video on youtube again but does Alvar Hanso in this video not look like the one in the photo found under his main picture and indeed the new hidden picture? (sorry if this has been brought up before)

Video can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87iY776hcsA&search=Dharma

Picture can be found here:

http://jayandjack.com/wiki/index.php?title=Thehansofoundation.org#Television_Ad:

Picture found in new clue:

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4748/image116af.jpg


I still find it hard to believe the video is fake. I know... Sorry.

5/30/2006 05:15:00 PM  
Blogger JessiePao said...

Quick thing : on THF.org, down by RSS and that so-far-unusable Login box, Hanso careers link has been added.

5/30/2006 05:21:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

I'm wondering when the story will develope past dirt on the Hanso peeps. Not that it isn't interesting, especially the possibility of this population model being sinister. Makes me wonder if some of it's principles have been applied to the Others MO. Culling rival tribes periodically? Perhaps the selection of people kidnapped was to do with their leadership and resourcefulness. They don't see the survivors as a big threat without those three present. But anyway, this isn't really a story at all so far, just a begining.

I'm also wondering about the level of complexity that the Game is actually at. Did they take into account people "cheating" there way to clues? Are we expected to examine the flash files and other things in intricate detail? There was always going to be people out there that will look at things like that, but at the same time I don't know how much they are expecting people to rely on the mass internet community for information. I would assume they know people will be examining anything they can examine, including flash files and that with the internet being gossip central as soon as one person knows one of those secret bits almost everyone will. Having said that, people have made larger miscalculations. *shrug* Anyway, I reckon it is all part of the game and that the game is somewhat flexible, so that if the community in general doesn't get a hint right away, they will offer another bit. There have been a few hints that have had multiple sources for passwords so I reckon it's all fair game.

Time to start examining new pictures.

5/30/2006 05:25:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

The hanso careers site ultimately led to getting the password "inmate asylum" to be used on two of the characters from the board of diretors Bios.

Old news I'm afraid

5/30/2006 05:26:00 PM  
Blogger mamakau said...

I saw the post about the hidden picture behind the alvar pic on the jayandjack wiki....but where did this come from? how do you access it?

5/30/2006 05:37:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Why is it that every now and then when on the Hanso site the site just refreshes and you start all over again with the woman welcoming you to the site.

This has happened to me on a number of occasions but I am on there quite a lot so on the whole it doesn't happen very much really.

Is it because site is busy, site has just been updated or something else?

5/30/2006 05:37:00 PM  
Blogger kittenry said...

I should have just waited and posted my comments all at once, but this picture seems to be worth examining further. A kind of land mass appears as the screen dissolves - just to the south of India. Is it just a distortion of the map? Is it Craphole Island itself?

5/30/2006 05:42:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

mamakau
The Hanso Foundation (and many of the other sites involved with the game) use Flash. This is a technology used to create the dynamic effects used within these sites. It is something that is created using a computer program. Reverse engineering the site shows things which you cannot view in your web browser and these hidden images and link(s) show up this way.

(A rough explanation but gives the jist)

5/30/2006 05:46:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

Fenris...

I think the Lost Experience will be dealing with the same problem as reporters have covering the Enron story. What it initially misses is the PERSONAL ELEMENT. Right now, the only thing is our connection to Persephone and the story inside "Bad Twin." If (hopefully) BOTH Hanso foundation AND Persephone will ramp up the personal element with Hanso character assasinating P. and Persephone exposes more of Hanso's disapperance... then we'll get closer to the story.

Fingers crossed.

5/30/2006 05:46:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Re: The hidden pictures. I don't think the old guy in the picture with the woman looks like any of the Hanso photos. I also don't really think the guy in the fan film looks like him either. It's just different old guys with grey hair. It's about as close as the black and white face picture was to Dr.Candle. Wishful thinking really. I am pretty certain the Mental Health Appeal and joopman picture is the same as the colour faceless man. Although what that tells us I don't know because we don't know who he is in the first place. Red Herring?

5/30/2006 05:49:00 PM  
Blogger JessiePao said...

It should be noted that on the new mathmatical world map, all countries that have persephone clues are in caps. US, UK, ITALY, SUDAN are obvious. But what to do with ALGERIA? The numbers may be a clue. Says the population is 32,930,091, Growth rate is 1.22 and life expectancy is 73.26. Those numbers come from the CIA fact book so I doubt those #'s translate to any ascII codes or anything. But perhaps they are part of password or URL suffix or something.

5/30/2006 05:51:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Has anybody any ideas on what v-message 7 is?

As was stated on the bottom of the document found in the new clue.

5/30/2006 06:03:00 PM  
Blogger mamakau said...

Thanks Wiz....I guess we'll have to leave finding those types of clues to the CS majors =)

5/30/2006 06:12:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Kittenry: That is very interesting... we don't see anything like that anywhere else on the map, but it does pop up in this location... The lines drawn on it look like the lines elsewhere on the map that separate countries from each other... I've rotated and flipped the image every which way thinking it might be telling us to look at a particular country, but it doesn't look like the shape of any of the other countries to me... I've isolated this portion of the image for ppl to see if they so desire

5/30/2006 06:12:00 PM  
Blogger mamakau said...

It almost looks like the bottom of that island image is cut off....no island has a perfectly straight bottom like that...

5/30/2006 06:14:00 PM  
Blogger rakkity said...

This may be totally unimportant, but did you notice that all of the "Economy" boxes have "Public Debt" misspelled as "Public Dept"? Also, Namibia is "Nambia".

As I said, probably just unimportant typos, but I thought I'd throw it out there...

5/30/2006 06:23:00 PM  
Blogger Zach said...

Check this out:

http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/1460/1424780345086144807_rs.jpg

manipulated image from http://www.familytrack.net/

I manipulated the levels to get it in photoshop

5/30/2006 06:30:00 PM  
Blogger alex said...

this domain name is for sale?

what does that even mean?

5/30/2006 06:32:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

no way. really?
including the dharma/swan logo?

5/30/2006 06:33:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

zach: double check your link.. the one you posted isn't working correctly

5/30/2006 06:34:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

worked for me

5/30/2006 06:35:00 PM  
Blogger Zach said...

ure not copying the whole thing - the side of the popup window cuts off some of the link

make the window wider and get the whole thing

http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/1460/1424780345086144807_rs.jpg

and yes - they swan logo is there after you just change the levels - i didnt add it

5/30/2006 06:42:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Oh My God

You are right zach.

Confirms the site is real (AND IN-GAME) to me

I just saved the image and loaded in Windows paint. Used the fill in the background and it showed up the symbol. I didn't get the detail you got but i don't have photoshop or anything similar installed.

5/30/2006 06:42:00 PM  
Blogger Zach said...

o yea - and for some reason you can enter 'me' into the USA textbox on the map

got that from deconstructing the swf

5/30/2006 06:44:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

That is of course if the person who said they found this link is telling the truth of course.
Lost my high godammit.

Can anyone verify if this link can really be found in the flash file?

5/30/2006 06:45:00 PM  
Blogger Zach said...

it can be

i checked too

5/30/2006 06:46:00 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Not to burst your bubble, but the fact that there's a hidden Dharma logo doesn't prove that it's "in-game".

The fact that the site is written into the code of the Hanso site is a more compelling reason.

Anyone can put a Dharma logo on their site.

5/30/2006 06:47:00 PM  
Blogger Zach said...

the code is written into the site

5/30/2006 06:48:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Ah... dang!... Webshots is blocked from my work... If it's worth looking into, could someone upload it somewhere else so I can take a look?

or I could just wait till I get home.

5/30/2006 06:56:00 PM  
Blogger miguel said...

Zach is right
I tried it mysef

http://pwp.netcabo.pt/miguel.nogueira/dharma.jpg

5/30/2006 06:58:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

vexinmodstwo
I know that. I thought the familytrack site might not have anything to do with the lost experience but the fact that it was linked (although hidden) made me suspect that it was and I was trying to determine a link to this familytrack site and the game somehow. What this hidden picture proves to me is that it is linked to the game. The main evidence IS the link from THF.org but the proof to me that it is part of the game to play is the picture.

I think that made it clearer.

5/30/2006 07:00:00 PM  
Blogger JRod09 said...

sublymonal is now televised
i was watchin reno 911 on comedy central and saw 2 of the youtube videos from sublymonal.org

5/30/2006 07:01:00 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

You'd be surprised how many people would fall for that. Just trying to help.

5/30/2006 07:06:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I am in the UK so off to bed but if I were staying up I would be trying all kinds of passwords in the http://www.familytrack.net/listing.html box. Good luck and goodnight

5/30/2006 07:08:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

It is an in-game site, but hasn't been used as of yet... We don't really have any reason to look at the site yet, except that it was referenced in the SWF file from the hanso site...

I don't know why you would question any sites that are referenced in the confirmed-to-be-in-game SWF files, (if you feel the need to decompile them) as they are obviously in game. Whether the site will be used in the game as a clue or a "red herring" is yet to be determined...

I remember seeing this being discussed back in ?Clue #27 and did some research and found this same screenshot at that time (didn't actually do any work on this one myself). I don't see anything we can do with it yet, but it doesn't give bored fans another image to play with.

Miguel: thank you for putting this image up on another site so I can see what the fuss was about.

5/30/2006 07:11:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Sorry.

I didn't realise tis had come up before. Still is a site I never knew that is in-game so I am better off than when I retired last night.
Looking forward to what you guys find out.

5/30/2006 07:19:00 PM  
Blogger DramaTeach said...

Did anyone else notice the grainy brownish colored image of a man in asuit that comes up sporatically on the world map once you type in all of the CIA number stuff? You can see it when you bring up all of the blue spots before you click on the circle to find out about the latest dastardly memo. I cannot seem to catch a screen shot of it... anyone care to try for me?

5/30/2006 07:23:00 PM  
Blogger Angel21 said...

dramateach: the screenshots were posted by Dennis at the beginnig of this blog. About 5-10 comments down.

5/30/2006 07:27:00 PM  
Blogger The Dane said...

Can the domain name mean anything?

familytrack.net

"maternity flack" is for sale. or?

Ok, of to bed!

5/30/2006 07:30:00 PM  
Blogger DryiceX said...

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/feed/thehansofoundation.xml

5/30/2006 07:32:00 PM  
Blogger Lost_in_WPB said...

SWF deconstructors: If you pan the map to the lower left side and press TAB you get yellow boxes for each clickable area. I am getting one that is off the map in the black area below the "map window". Any idea what this link is to - I tried clicking on it but nothing happened.

5/30/2006 07:40:00 PM  
Blogger DramaTeach said...

This is the Creepy Picture I was talking about.

5/30/2006 07:44:00 PM  
Blogger Angel21 said...

Is this the pic?

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/577/image125pp.png

5/30/2006 08:07:00 PM  
Blogger alex said...

when i click on the link the see the picture of the labcoat, it's looks just like a stencil. but when i paste it into microsoft paint, it becomes more life-like?

maybe its just my computer.

5/30/2006 08:12:00 PM  
Blogger alex said...

(did we already disregard that? i'm kind of out of it.)

5/30/2006 08:13:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Here are the screenshots of significance, in my opinion:

Picture of dude in labcoat (maybe Marvin Candle?.. not sure)
Picture of dude from MHA after you input the 3rd statistic...

Little piece of map that shows up after you click on the circle... not sure what it's supposed to be, if it's supposed to be anything, but it looks like a piece of a continent with the borders of countries drawn...

Meh, these may or may not be anything... I like the way the MHA guy's picture turned out...

5/30/2006 08:32:00 PM  
Blogger gargleafg said...

if you click saudi arabia a lot, the screen starts to get all fuzzy and the creepy sounds start playing. I've been clicking it for a while and it just keeps getting fuzzier and more frenetic. try it and see if you can get anything.

5/30/2006 08:34:00 PM  
Blogger Leighsa said...

So if you go to familytrack.net without the additional file extension it says that the domain name is for sale. when you check the who is information originally it was NOT anon, it is NOW though which is equally odd. I sent an email asking how much for the domain... we'll see what happens.

So even though the link was hidden in the flash... maybe it's NOT in game... I dunno, seems REALLY odd if it is. Perhaps an easter egg left by the builder of the flash?

5/30/2006 08:35:00 PM  
Blogger ZeroDark said...

Anyone know what V-message is? The document in the flash said "have you downloaded the latest version of V-message?" That seems really out of place on a document like that, could be a clue.

As far as the book being handed out goes, I just a have a quick question. Has anyone here read it? Im about 60 pages from the end and i can't see any relevance to the ARG. Could it be that the only clues to it where in researching Walkabout Publishing?

5/30/2006 09:40:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

Why is SAUDI ARABIA giving me creepy music?

Anyone?

I think "Bad Twin" simply plants a lot of info for the future. It introduced the Widmore family more prominently (although there are 2 SONS in the book) which brings in stuff from the show and plants some things for the future... Mittlewerk's presence and the feeling for the story... What the stakes are, what people's motivations could be... etc.

But sadly, I think the real thing will be this Valenzetti equation will ACTUALLY be the big thing to come out of it.

BTW, I recommend getting the audiobook instead. Takes up less of your time and there's more to investigate with their WHISPER-filled Chapter Introductions (Mittlewerk is bad).

5/30/2006 11:22:00 PM  
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5/30/2006 11:28:00 PM  
Blogger miniver_cheevy said...

I am pretty sure V-message is the text messaging program of verizon. So maybe our next clue will be involving text message?

5/30/2006 11:53:00 PM  
Blogger Axelsoar said...

Persephone@thehansofoundation.org

tell me what you find

5/31/2006 12:01:00 AM  
Blogger Axelsoar said...

holy.... it worked before, but now im getting an error message, maybye we wernt supposed to find it till later, i sent 2 emails and got no reply

5/31/2006 12:15:00 AM  
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5/31/2006 12:50:00 AM  
Blogger eerie said...

The captured distortion in the mapfile shown here http://www.boomspeed.com/mishiems/littlemap.JPG is probably Namibia in africa. The line running throgh the picture is the "tropic of capricorn"

Check this map.

http://www.mikaelplahn.se/afrikart.html

Since it is basically at the same latitude as the distrotion in the original picture im not so sure it's actually intended.

5/31/2006 02:57:00 AM  
Blogger eerie said...

Forgot to mention that it's also why the picture looks cut tat the bottom. The whole map is cut at the exact same place.

5/31/2006 03:00:00 AM  
Blogger Starpossum said...

Has anyone emailed PThompson@thehansofoundation.org ?
Also, did anyone else notice the pic of Marvin Candle that flashed u p as you entered the stats into Sudan?

5/31/2006 03:08:00 AM  
Blogger Sammie said...

I thought that this clue was pretty straightforward. One thing that bothers me about the game thus far, in regards to the slow progression of the game, etc., is that there's no *tangible* way that the game tracks progress, keeps track of clues, and so on. Slow I can live with. I don't know if anyone else here played a game from EA called Majestic back in 2001, but they had awesome interactivity - they sent e-mails, had websites, called you, faxed you, sent instant messages etc. There was client software for the game, you completed episodes - and many of the puzzle-type aspects that we're using for this were applicable. This is so open-ended. You're just dropped onto this website, and everyone once in a while, someone shoves a clue your way, and the temptation to cheat - not use teamwork, but essentially just read about how to solve the puzzle rather than solve it oneself - is so overwhelming that I imagine the number of us actually fiddling with the game versus the people reading about us fiddling with the game is, sadly, rather small.

With the budgets that ABC and the corporate sponsors have, I'd have expected something more interactive. Instead of Perspehone popping up on the website like that, maybe an e-mail, or an IM that leads us onto the trail of something. Anyone who played Majestic I think will understand what I mean. Just...a tad more structure, something to give people incentive to go through the motions at least of completing the puzzles themselves. I think this is what people were expecting. I know I was. Hunting randomly around the Hanso site each day looking for a new clue isn't exactly fun.

Like I said, I don't mind the speed of the progression. Building up to something big is fun - it's something that the show does well. I just want something *slightly* more structured. I don't want to miss anything. Even something similar to the way Google handled the progression of the 24 puzzles for The DaVinci Code would be nice, in terms of keeping track.

5/31/2006 03:32:00 AM  
Blogger nomadicmp said...

Ok i thought I was the only one that played majestic, and thats why they had to stop. I know I am a dork sorry.

5/31/2006 07:13:00 AM  
Blogger TheBookPolice said...

vMessage is a data-encoding program. It is used similarly to vCard, which is the e-mail protocol that encodes a digital business card in the signature field of an e-mail.

I couldn't get their site to load (I assume it's the official site, since its vmessage.com), but it's out there.

5/31/2006 08:56:00 AM  
Blogger JessiePao said...

EERIE: Actually the embedded map image is ALGERIA. Check it out:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ag.html

Map seems to be cut at bottom b/c that's the border. ( my hint was that along with other persephone coded countries, ALGERIA was spelled in caps and didn't have an obvious clue attached). Gotta run but I'll mess around later. But for now ALGERIA is for sure a clue

5/31/2006 09:21:00 AM  
Blogger lifewithandy said...

I have a strange notion that perciphone was infact desmonds (hatch man) wife, who worked for hanso, if u think about the last episode of season 2 u will no what i mean, we know she was wealthy and was searching for desomond, or could it be libby who keeps apearing throughout the flashbacks? and by the the looks of it desomonds wife is no longer working for hanso, and has her own plan to bring the truth out, all she had to do was find the island.

5/31/2006 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger eerie said...

Ok it boggles me to try and fit algeria in. The embedded image isn't just one country it's several. The black lines in the embedded picture are borders and the straight line looks like a longitude.

The only way i could fiot algeria in at all and it still doesn't fit is to turn the map a bit to the left and then the straight black line become unexplainable.

But this is not a chat and i won't argue about it =)

5/31/2006 09:31:00 AM  
Blogger lifewithandy said...

i ave also though of this after wisiting the hanso site, under the mathmatical forcasting initicve, there issimilairties between what happened in the second season. or am i just pulling at straws? will global chages in weather cause pop centre to shift? could this be a reason y desomonds wife was searching for the island it shifted off the map? are there new diseases likely to form? the disease the french woman speaks of in lost and claire child contracts? whihc spieces need protection now before the decline? polar bears on island and wild bores two animals which have a decline no? and then finally can the human race adapt, sounds a bit like micheals son? im definately pulling at straws but they are logical straws.

5/31/2006 09:35:00 AM  
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5/31/2006 09:36:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Back on to the hidden images found in the swf file.

Specifically, the black and white image of the labcoat. It was found originally in the swf file of Peter Thompson bio clue and then again found in the latest clue, again in the swf file, of the map that we are all looking at. The image seems strange and when opening using Windows picture and fax viewer it looks as it did on the web. In photoshop it looks the same. In Windows Paint though it is a very different story. It is the same picture of the guy in the labcoat which pops up in the background of the map when you enter the third answer (2.55) into the map. (not the picture of the MHA guy). You can see here.

http://www.boomspeed.com/mishiems/AfterLast.JPG

It is the same as the picture that comes up in the Peter Thompson Bio page clue which can be found here.

http://jayandjack.com/wiki/index.php?title=Thehansofoundation.org#Peter_Thompson

I have looked at this picture in comparison to the Marvin Candle Initiation video (early on when you can see Marvin's full upper body) and they are identical. I'm sure. Even the arm (not the prosthetic one) is in the same position. Also the bit at the top left of his head that the light is shining on is what shows up in this picture.

I haven't seen anyone mention that this picture can be viewed in two different ways so if it has come up before then I am sorry.

Can someone who knows a lot about how images are made up on the computer (it is a PNG file) explain why there are two view to this picture. May be a clue. Could other images we have seem somehow be manipulated and shown to have hidden clues?
Thanks

5/31/2006 09:55:00 AM  
Blogger TheBookPolice said...

Actually, "vmessage.com" is for sale right now, there is nothing actually on the site.


Yeah, I found that out right after I made that last post.

I hate to go back and forth here, but do you have any evidence for your interpretation? Because everything I'm finding indicates that this is a text synchronization protocol, probably related to synching e-mail to a PDA.

5/31/2006 10:03:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

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In the series, the boat race that Desmond does, is something to do with Penelope's Dad. I wonder if Mr Widmore (Pens Dad) basically sent Desmond to the Island to get him away from his daughter. It certainly worked. Or for another reason perhaps.

Another thing that comes to mind is if the Grand Universal Theory of Everything (GUTS) has anything to do with Lost and the Mathematical Forecasting Initiative. To have a theory of everything would suggest you could predict the future and manipulate things accordingly.
It seems that in Lost, there are so many interlinking backgrounds that the whole thing seems completely unfeasible without someone/something manipulating events. It would also explain that, if the survivors were chosen in some way, how they managed to get them all there together.
Seems possible.

Sorry for talking about Lost but I feel that it may be some kind of connection. More and more it seems that the Lost series and the Lost Experience are overlapping somehow.

Thanks for reading

5/31/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger TheBookPolice said...

Sorry for talking about Lost but I feel that it may be some kind of connection. More and more it seems that the Lost series and the Lost Experience are overlapping somehow.


I know this isn't the place to talk plot, but of course they're overlapping! There's this weird disconnect in this community between the show and the ARG. The ARG is highlighting the canon of the show. It's the backstory. Of course the backstory is going to have something to do with the show at some point.

Where do you think minnesotametallurgy.com, widmore.com, paik-heavy.com, and all the other backstory-related fansites came from? From show fans who were looking for more backstory, more definition to the mythology. The ARG just provides the best logical outlet.

I'm a show fan first, but the ARG is perfect for the atrophied little X-Files fanboy in me.

5/31/2006 10:18:00 AM  
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5/31/2006 10:27:00 AM  
Blogger pip said...

Why are people appologising for taling about lost these are one in the same and there is no clear reason why it would be otherwise. The show and the game are related clues storyline info and the writers. so if this is wrong please explain how so.

5/31/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I have been manipulating the image in photoshop elements 3 and have made the image a lot clearer.
If you go to enhance and then auto smart fix it shows a lot more detail. You can even see the Dharma logo on the right breast pocket area just like the one Marvin is wearing in the orientation video. You can see Marvins prosthetic arm. You can also see why the bottom left of the labcoat is cut off as this is where Marvins hand is.

I find Marvin Candle/Mark Wickman really intriguing. I wonder where they will fit into this.

5/31/2006 10:31:00 AM  
Blogger kRaZyD said...

This may be nothing. But I think I may have found a company that is involved with thf web site.
check it out:

http://www.bigspaceship.com/fitc2006/

if you google big spaceship it has a link to thf.

and i mentioned before about bigspaceship1.com when the site comes up it states "TIME GOD"

any ideas?

5/31/2006 10:36:00 AM  
Blogger humanivy said...

The forecast map link is not working on my computer for the Hanso page. Any ideas? I've done all the clues up through "insane asylum" and the sublymonal stuff.

5/31/2006 10:41:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Kronos was the Greek God of time

5/31/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger TheBookPolice said...

RE: BIGSPACESHIP

It is a fansite. Fake. Shinola.

See?

Jeez, even I knew this, and I'm an idjit on this compared to others.

5/31/2006 10:48:00 AM  
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5/31/2006 10:50:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

antecedent
if you right-click on the file and choose open with and select Paint (if not there choose browse and get Paint that way). It is the way the image is put to us in the clues. Same coloring. I just thought you may be interested.
It definitely is Marvin. I still feel the picture found at hole2.thehansofoundation.org is Marvin too. He seems to come up a lot as does the MHA guy. I feel/hope their importance/relation will be revealed soon. Or are we missing something already?

5/31/2006 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Also is he anything to do with "Bad Twin" seeing as though there are two of them. I know it's been mentioned before but felt it relevant now.

5/31/2006 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger JD said...

Sammie: I played Majestic way back when too. That was the kind of thing that I was hoping for. Let me advance the game and not rely on randomly clicking on my list of LOST favorites hoping for some change. Make it more interactive, voice mails, e-mails, IMs, etc.

We can at least hope that the interest this is generating in ARGs will prompt the creation of more Majestic like games.

5/31/2006 11:11:00 AM  
Blogger TheBookPolice said...

I still feel the picture found at hole2.thehansofoundation.org is Marvin too. He seems to come up a lot as does the MHA guy. I feel/hope their importance/relation will be revealed soon. Or are we missing something already?

Speaker has already said we're using it wrong. I would imagine that the obvious approach (trying to figure out who it is) is not the correct approach.

5/31/2006 11:14:00 AM  
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5/31/2006 11:26:00 AM  
Blogger kRaZyD said...

Kyle said...

RE: BIGSPACESHIP

It is a fansite. Fake. Shinola.

See?

Jeez, even I knew this, and I'm an idjit on this compared to others.

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Well you don't have to be rude about it. Just trying to help like everyone else.

BTW Did you notice on the hanso homepage you can manipulate the spheres of light behind the user interface by clicking on a hidden link just diagonally down fron the left edge? Don't know if it brings insight. But it couldn't hurt.

5/31/2006 11:49:00 AM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

sammie: "the way Google handled the progression of the 24 puzzles for The DaVinci Code would be nice"... to what are you referring? sounds interesting, but I don't know what you are talking about.

pip: it isn't a good thing to talk about the plot of the TV show in the blog for the game because the fans in the UK are far behind us in the US on the plot of the show... the game is supposed to be separate from the show and you are supposed to be able to play it, whether you are caught up or not. I am current on the show, and no longer wish to fight this battle, but thought I would answer your question.

PNG files allow for transparency settings... this is just speculation, but it appears to me that, when we open the image in Paint, we see the image without it's transparency. If you were to open it into Photoshop, you would see it with the transparency settings intact... and if you made it a layer over a black background, I'm sure you would see what we see in Paint.


btw... good morning everyone (good evening to those of you on the other side)

5/31/2006 11:55:00 AM  
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5/31/2006 12:07:00 PM  
Blogger TheBookPolice said...

Well you don't have to be rude about it. Just trying to help like everyone else.

Sorry. Came off differently than I meant it.

I really was trying to be self-deprecating, as I absolutely am a dilettante at this ARG stuff.

That being said, I am intrigued by your catch on the background images. It's often the little things (as I've observed in my brief time here) that often prove most meaningful later on.

5/31/2006 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger Melissa said...

krazyd, that was discovered quite some time ago, but i'm afraid we still don't know what it does (if anything).

5/31/2006 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger nb said...

Brazil, Iran and Nambia

These are the only three locations that you can obtain the gematrain numbers from the updated MFI map???????

Brazil 8400*9.9*50.2=4174632 tan=3.077683537

Nambia 8200*35*39.6=11335200 tan=3.077683537

Iran 8100*11.2*27.5=2494800 tan=-3.077683537

3.077683537 was the number displayed at the "letthecompasguideyou" site, close to the 180 degrees.

All those places with the symbols on the map are places where hanso bases have been set working all around the world

but these 3 places particularly mean somethting, especially as they are 108, which persephone popped up at subLYMONal and it is in LOST

I'm thinking high areas of magnetic energy....? Or i could be wrong....

5/31/2006 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Greetings All! Could the no face image be some type of over lay to another image...I know it sounds Goonie like...but what the heck...perhaps that image fits over another image or map giving us more direction on where the island is...just a simple thought...

Peace & Namaste!

5/31/2006 12:46:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Here are some of the different pics taken from the image of Marvin Candle.

As it is shown on the web
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wizardry_eas/108.png

Same image with black background
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wizardry_eas/marvin1.png

Same image with levels changed in Photoshop
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wizardry_eas/marvin2.png

A bit more manipulation
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wizardry_eas/marvin3.png


I just thought I would finish off what I was saying earlier with some images.

5/31/2006 12:47:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

WOW! ND, you have just blown my mind today, thanks!! Great work!
High areas of interest!! going to do some digging now!!

Peace & Namaste!

5/31/2006 12:49:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

The last link should have been.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wizardry_eas/marvin3.png

Sorry about that.

5/31/2006 12:50:00 PM  
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5/31/2006 01:00:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

antecedent
I am pretty sure that it is just to do with the lighting.
In the video he appears more fuller and puffier but its just because it is darker in the picture.

This new finding on the numbers is very interesting though. It seems that the statistical numbers for t he places in the map have another meaning. A code maybe or something else. I'm going to try and find more things with these numbers.
It is true that the 3.077 is found on letyourcompassguideyou.com, 4 times at NorthEast, SE, SW and NW. I don't know what they mean but someone must. I look forward to finding out.
And just what made you try the TAN function nd? Was it a fluke or did you have a reason?

5/31/2006 01:11:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

This is interesting. It explains about gematrian numbers which is what are in the map statistics.

http://www.dcca.nl/art/numbers.htm

5/31/2006 01:25:00 PM  
Blogger nb said...

I don't think there is a clue within the numbers as they are justfigure references

I think it's the fact that the tan of them is 108 which has popped up at

The link to the files on letyourcompassgauideyou

Persephone's clue on subLYMONal

And obviously LOST

I think that Nambia, Brazil and Iran probably have something in common hence they all are connected to 108

Can anyone hazard a guess what?

Climate?

Magnetism energy?

5/31/2006 01:34:00 PM  
Blogger brammers said...

i agree with antecedent, wizardy_eas when you changed the background the lab coat looks more like a blazer or a dinner jacket

maybe its not Marvin Candle

5/31/2006 01:37:00 PM  
Blogger TreyBon said...

In regards to the compass on the Jeep site, I noticed that there are four instances of two numbers. Each of the numbers (3.0776 and .726542) have one instance that is missing part of the total number. In the case of 3.0776 one of them is missing the 6 and in the case of .726542 one of them is missing the 542. Coincidentally, or not, they are both in the SW region of the compass.

Now, I'm not going to begin trying to figure out what it may mean, but it may be something significant in the future.

TreyBon

5/31/2006 01:39:00 PM  
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5/31/2006 02:00:00 PM  
Blogger nb said...

mmm i think it is Candle because of that one fake arm on his left

Also the clue about an ex-employee from China suggests that it was either the girl from the intro or someone close to Marvin Candle

But i could be wrong

I guess only time will tell....

5/31/2006 02:07:00 PM  
Blogger brammers said...

i just looked at the file again and u were right about the shoulder posture, antecedent
if its not the lighting then its not marvin candle

5/31/2006 02:18:00 PM  
Blogger brammers said...

it does look like has a fake arm though, well spotted nb,
i could be wrong then

5/31/2006 02:19:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

Sorry if someone mentioned this already...I just didnt have the patience to read EVERY comment...

Has anyone noticed on the V-message letter that there are TWO types of fonts? Seems to me that the blacked out stuff is original text and the message in the middle looks TYPED in with a REAL type writer. Look at the font in the message up close! The letters are not lined up well either.

5/31/2006 02:19:00 PM  
Blogger JmanII said...

Found our wheel in the let your compass guide you. http://www.greatdreams.com/gem1.htm

Go down to the "Joe's Dream of the Gematrian Wheel" Read the whole page kind of out there.

I couldn't get the tangents from the countries, execpt Brazil, to equall the two numbers on the wheel.... Tangent of 36 = 0.7265425280054
Tangent of 108 = -3.077683537175... Might be the software finding the Tangents of Y. Try it here: http://www.ajdesigner.com/phptrigonometry/trigonometry_tan_tangent_equation.php

But it is an interesting find NB!

BTW, did we disprove or prove the whole "http://www.familytrack.net/listing.html" as being in game or not

5/31/2006 02:20:00 PM  
Blogger brammers said...

jmanii: i think cus it was a fidden link from thehansofoundation.org it is an in-game site

this whole lab coat pic is turning into the faceless man all over again arghhh
could be a red herring

5/31/2006 02:30:00 PM  
Blogger d~nice said...

I posted about element 108 on the message board which I think points to the number having to do with electro magnetism:

http://www.drkdesign.com/cluesmb/viewtopic.php?t=157

5/31/2006 02:30:00 PM  
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5/31/2006 02:31:00 PM  
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5/31/2006 02:37:00 PM  
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5/31/2006 02:40:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

If you look at the creases on Marvin Candles real arm in the video

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wizardry_eas/marvinorient.jpg

you will see that they are identical to the ones in the picture found here. It has to be Marvin.

Ooh! More info on the numbers.

5/31/2006 02:41:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

I am 95% certain that this is in fact Marvin Candle.

nb: you're saying that tangent of sum of the digits of the product of the statistics shown for three of the countries comes out to exactly the same number? I've checked all the statistics against the CIA Factbook and they all check out. I'm thinking this is just a helluva coincidence, but I'm trying to prove myself wrong. I'm looking into other possibilities now, but how you ever thought to try this method is a mystery to me...

5/31/2006 02:43:00 PM  
Blogger Joe D said...

belly thats exactly what I thought when I first saw the jacket outline.

5/31/2006 02:45:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

antecedent VERY VERY VERY COOL!!!

they are right! It DOES have the Dharma logo!! familytrack.net is an IN GAME SITE FOR SURE!

also...anyone have a take on the type face on that letter yet?

5/31/2006 02:48:00 PM  
Blogger nb said...

Guys

persephone's site was updated. the number two is gone, but nothing replaced it.

nothing in the source code either...

5/31/2006 02:50:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

http://hole3.thehansofoundation.org/

5/31/2006 02:51:00 PM  
Blogger nb said...

This is how it went last time...the previous puzzle was removed, replaced with a screen where the source code noted it was left blank intentionally, and then the 2 came a few hours later.

So it looks like they're updating it

Look out for it in the next few hours

5/31/2006 02:52:00 PM  
Blogger nb said...

No hole3 dosn't work.....

5/31/2006 02:52:00 PM  
Blogger nb said...

Oh wait

Sorry

Found it

HOLE 3 GUYS!!

5/31/2006 02:54:00 PM  
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5/31/2006 02:55:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

hole3 is there
It takes to a page but image is missing

this is the filename

t9agen75.gif

5/31/2006 02:56:00 PM  
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5/31/2006 02:58:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

It says +1 meaning hole2 + 1 therefore hole3
Still no picture though

5/31/2006 02:58:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

okay, familytrack.net has been established to be in game... having a dharma logo embedded in an image on your website does not necessarily mean that the website is in-game... anyone can do that, but the fact that it was discovered by decompiling the flash on the hanso site means that it probably is in-game, however, we have had no clue directing us to that site, and it could be reserved and not used or could end up being a red herring for all we know...

jmanii: great site with a lot of interesting stuff! If anyone hasn't already, I suggest at least trying to glance over the information on this site... I'm not finished reading through it yet, but it gives a new angle to the meaning of 108...

5/31/2006 02:58:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

My hubby is picking through that file name right now.

I thought maybe agent 75? who knows yet.

5/31/2006 02:59:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

And belly0fdesire,
The statitistics from the map multiply together to make gematrian numbers.
Looking this up takes you (through google I found but has been posted above also) to here

http://www.greatdreams.com/gem1.htm


Just over half way down the page you get to the image on the letyourcompassguideyou page.

It can be seen here

Exciting...

5/31/2006 03:03:00 PM  
Blogger nb said...

als was Alvar Hanso

agen probably means Again Alvar Hanso

1975

mmm......

5 years before the Dharma Tape

Possible when Dharma was founded...???!!!!

5/31/2006 03:04:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

Guys for some reason the picture went down, but I saved a copy on my file space. You can view it here:

http://members.aol.com/mattthepale/t9agen75.gif

5/31/2006 03:06:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

Er... I'm talking about the picture at hole3.thehansofoundation.org, of course.

5/31/2006 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger antecedent said...

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5/31/2006 03:08:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I wonder if the filename of the faceless man is related to the new filename

old then new filenames

q9als2002
t9agen75

5/31/2006 03:08:00 PM  
Blogger TheBookPolice said...

Well, if matt the pale can be taken at his word, then why would the image have gone red-x?

Crashed?

Prematurely posted?

Wrong image file?

Taken down for other reasons?

Intentionally brief?

Matt here is the only one who has claimed to have seen the image.

5/31/2006 03:09:00 PM  
Blogger Sid said...

Has anyone tried combining all the pictures of the faceless men i.e. hole2, hole3 to see if we get something?

5/31/2006 03:09:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

wizardry_eas: yes, very exciting... I'm assuming you were typing your post when I entered my previous post... I encouraged everyone to visit that site because it gives new insight to the meaning of 108

nb: we don't know that als meant anything about Alvar Hanso... nothing has been confirmed from the hole2 image as of yet... maybe this new image will help with that last one tho.

matt the pale: before we start ripping this apart, you're sure this is the image?

5/31/2006 03:10:00 PM  

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