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ADMIN ANNOUNCEMENT: The Next Level...

This blog is committed to collecting and posting the "Clues" as neatly and concisely as possible. It is very clear though that this isn't going to be enough. We must begin to intensify our dialogue about the "meaning" of the clues.

To discover the depths of this game and what it is telling us, we have already seen that we are really going to have to work together. Many brilliant minds have been doing some great research and contributing some fascinating insights but, for the most part, it has been tucked away in the "comments." It's time to bring their efforts center stage!

In 2 weeks, we are planning to launch "The Lost Experience Clues Research" blog and it is slated to be a "Group Blog". Our goal is to have "focused researchers" posting insights about each of their areas of interest/growing expertise as it relates specifically to the Lost Experience.

619 Comments:

Blogger brammers said...

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6/03/2006 10:02:00 AM  
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6/03/2006 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

just thought of an awsome way for the researchers to keep in contact, incase they have information that another could use for example or someone that is not a researcher can show there findings to one, before the blog goes out. It is called Skype, most frequent internet users probably would have heard of this already. Its a free internet messaging service but you can also "call" a contact's computer for free. I think you can download it from http://www.skype.com let me know if its a good idea...

6/03/2006 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

i think the flash site takes longer to update on AOL because that is what i am using and i havnt been able to get on to the "heavy water" hack since it came about. The same thing happened with the "inmate asylum" hack although this worked after a few weeks. I think it might only happen with the hacks needing a password.

Might be worth mentioning this incase other people have the same problem...

6/03/2006 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger MarkOrmesher said...

I personaly like the way it is, those who want a gloss version of the game just read the posts (like i used to) those that want more in depth read the comments, those that love the game in an almost OCD kinda way leave comments...

but hey, I'm willing to try anything once... just as long as people pay attention to others comments. And of course... FEEL THE LOVE.

6/03/2006 11:00:00 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

i was wondering why nobody was posting any comments its ten in the morning in the US!!!

Horray for England!! its 5 in the afternoon here maybe us Brits should work on the clues while you Americans are asleep!

6/03/2006 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger K.C. Farmer said...

The wild thought by one person can be the spark that ignites a new idea in another that leads to a solution.

You do need a team of leads to manage these clues and all of the associated information. When a clue is identified, assign it to a couple of lead researchers to keep it organized. That doesn't mean you move away from an open forum. What it does mean is that each clue has a summary of the ideas that worked. This should be useful if you ever have to go back to a clue to see if it's relevant to the current clue, and for new participants who want to catch up.

Also remember that there may be folks here who have the expertise but not the time to invest. Having dedicated contributors is a must, but let's not forget what has made this blog so successful.

6/03/2006 11:03:00 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

yes well done MarkOrmesher i was waiting for someone else to say something who liked the idea of researchers

6/03/2006 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger MarkOrmesher said...

Nah mate, it's 12 o'clock here in the DC metro area... only a 5 hour time difference.

English men represent! Mark Ormesher representing the county of Hampshire over here in DC!ybybp

6/03/2006 11:07:00 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

also having researchers will reduce THE AMOUNT OF COMMENTS WE HAVE TO READ!! theres like 619 for clue no. 47

6/03/2006 11:07:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

This sounds like a good idea. However, I hope the great majority of us don't feel "left out". I know when some posters at InsidetheExperience started talking about getting together in a chat room, there were a lot of bad vibes over there. As long as we all can see what's going on in the "research" blogs, I think it will work out.

6/03/2006 11:07:00 AM  
Blogger LJ said...

*sends off e-mail* =]

This is nothing but good news for all of us.

6/03/2006 11:07:00 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

even if you dont have any special skills theres no harm in trying just send them an email. Im only a student but ive already sent one

6/03/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

EXACTLY!

Send an e-mail! If you think this is something you'd like to invest some more time in, send an e-mail!

And if its NOT something that you want to spend more time with, TAKE HEED! This'll help you! This'll help ALL of us. More people doing more work and posting it somewhere that's clear and accessible... That means fewer but MORE INFORMED comments and more caplets of knowledge for the Lost Experience-r who's On-The-Go.

It's not a hierachy- some people are better than you thing. It's not. If anything, this is proof that I have WAY too much time on my hands! And that I have NO LIFE! :)

It's all good. We're only 4 weeks in and got the whole summer to go. :)

6/03/2006 11:25:00 AM  
Blogger MarkOrmesher said...

Again, just as long as people don't become elitest then it's all good.

6/03/2006 11:36:00 AM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

I think this is a great idea. I'm not much of an expert in any area (except maybe childbirth...hehe) but I look forward to reading what everyone has to contribute!

6/03/2006 11:44:00 AM  
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6/03/2006 12:13:00 PM  
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6/03/2006 12:18:00 PM  
Blogger lost_tailies said...

I think it's more of a way for those who don't have all the tools for some of these clues to rely on those who do. While not everyone necessarily needs a Photoshop, or Adobe Professional, it's sometimes nice to have for this stuff. I'm with everyone on keeping it transparent though. It's no fun to be spoonfed clues. I always see if I can work it myself first, and if I can't it's good to see what and how it was solved.

Super idea :)

6/03/2006 12:19:00 PM  
Blogger ORA-29306 said...

I think this is a great plan.

I'm not really sure where i can help but i will do what i can do.

6/03/2006 12:25:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

Morning guys!

maven1908 said, "As long as we all can see what's going on in the 'research' blogs, I think it will work out."

Right!

K.C. Farmer said, "The wild thought by one person can be the spark that ignites a new idea in another that leads to a solution."

Exactly! If it wasn't for nb and css posting here in the comments, I would have not had the idea to work out tangents. Those guys deserve the credit for the idea; I just ran with it. So it's important for a great number of people to be able to view each others' work and comment on it. Done properly, the new blog will make things slightly faster.


I agree with everything antecedent said.

6/03/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger IHeartToast said...

I think more indepth research blogs are a great idea. Personally I don't believe I have any special talents above and beyond most people on the site. However, I love spending time working out and eventually solving the clues. I also get frustrated reading through the countless posts I miss for some reason or other and find them to be old news or leads all ready pursued and answered.

I think the best way these research Blogs would help all and keep everyone in the loop is for each specialized research blog viewable for all, realtime. So anyone could pop in and view the latest developments on the Tangents or Bad Twin. If it was possible that these blogs could be viewable realtime but only the adminstrators main researchers could post would be ideal.

I know that if I was unable to view some of the great ideas and developments posted by such as Belly0, Antecedent, Matt and the others I would quickly loose interest after spending hours reading posts that someone noticed the words Persephone I know who you are under the picture from the miracle link.

6/03/2006 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger IHeartToast said...

I know this doesn't follow the thread I just wanted to post in the most active blog.
In case anyone wasn't aware, some fans in australia got a chance to go and get a copy of Bad Twin from "The Ninja." The book they recieved from him had special sections marked and parts highlighted.
Check it out-
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21322

6/03/2006 01:36:00 PM  
Blogger Nai said...

I read this blog very regularly but never actually post. I couldn't see myself contributing as a researcher, but I would greatly enjoy reading more in-depth analysis of the clues. This is a fabulous idea; we will all benefit from the combined insight of so many dedicated people.

6/03/2006 01:42:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

ihearttoast: I did see that earlier. I guess this means I'll have to break down and buy a copy. There might be more clues in this book than we think.

6/03/2006 01:43:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

I think the call-out for "experts" is a combination of:

1. Interests
2. Expertise
3. TIME AND DEDICATION

Because if someone's out there who REALLY digs what's going on with the Experience and has a lot of time this summer free AND is WILLING to do some extra work... then woo-hoo! Go ahead!

A PhD. professor at Oxford with no free time is USELESS.
An excited reader with free time and internet access is GOLDEN!

That's all it is, I think. Not in charge of it. Just have super strong opinions.

6/03/2006 01:47:00 PM  
Blogger Rumiko said...

I'll defiently join as a researcher. Google is my best friend and I normally don't have much to keep myself occupied =P

6/03/2006 01:50:00 PM  
Blogger Bones said...

ATTENTION

If anyone is interested in helping NEWBIES with the game, please e-mail:

thelostexperience101@gmail.com

This is for those with the patience and knowledge to work with NEWBIES (or NOOBIES).

thelostexperience101@gmail.com

6/03/2006 01:51:00 PM  
Blogger antecedent said...

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6/03/2006 01:51:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

I'm not very computor literate; however, I can research a particularly topic if you guys need some help on something. I'll be around most of the summer (big trip for 3 weeks in August, though -- hope I don't miss too much?)

6/03/2006 01:58:00 PM  
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6/03/2006 02:01:00 PM  
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6/03/2006 02:03:00 PM  
Blogger Bones said...

Without leaving a manifesto on the soon to be cluttered comment sheet, this is just a blanket invitation for those who would like to contribute to a project aimed at helping NEWBIES.

If interested AT ALL (even VAGUELY!), please e-mail me at:

thelostexperience101@gmail.com

6/03/2006 02:09:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

antecedent: Yes, I did see your post. I'll be readng and watching and waiting for the moment I can pitch in and help!

6/03/2006 02:11:00 PM  
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6/03/2006 02:18:00 PM  
Blogger Bones said...

My e-mail doesn't like you?
Will look into it...

6/03/2006 02:21:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

I think this is a great idea. David, the admin, mentioned this idea to me a little ways back and I was very excited about it at the time and started researching my tail off to find ideas for the blog. This game is taking off in many different directions. We are ALL a team here, however, if some of us who have absolutely no lives or have completely dedicated most of our time to this game were to focus our attention on a specific direction, we would surely be able to provide more information on that particular subject.

I spend most of my day at work playing this game. In this past week there was a point where I was composing a detailed resume, researching gematrian numbers, tangents, Algeria and D2O and helping as many people get caught up as I could, all at the same time, while still staring blankly at q9als2002.gif. I was researching these things to provide the information to the rest of the community... the TEAM we have here. "Jack of all trades, master of none" is the saying, and everyone researching everything at the same time really doesn't get us a complete grasp on any one of the subjects.

I'm sorry if anything I said was offensive or insulting to anyone. Cikualema, you are VERY welcome here. People all the time say "i've been lurking for a while now, and this is my first post" or "i was afraid to post". Please, don't feel intimidate or scared to post. We want everyone to weigh in on every topic. You may have the answer that everyone has been looking for, but if you don't say anything, then we'll never know. And if you need help, I'm here to help in any way I can. I'm sure a lot of the others that have been here a while would say the same thing.

Again, I'm sorry if anyone was offended and I think this is a great idea.


I'm off to the hospital... my eye is all jacked up for some reason. I'll be back later.

Namaste.

6/03/2006 02:22:00 PM  
Blogger Bones said...

Fixed. (when I signed up initially I misspelled it)

:)

So:

thelostexperience101@gmail.com

if you're AT ALL interested in helping NEWBIES in some way.

6/03/2006 02:29:00 PM  
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6/03/2006 02:30:00 PM  
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6/03/2006 02:34:00 PM  
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6/03/2006 03:09:00 PM  
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6/03/2006 03:16:00 PM  
Blogger Mort_Cinder said...

imo, the idea of a "research" blog is a great idea as it gives as a chance of going into stuff more deeply and at the same time tackle different areas in order to get to the bottom of the game.

i sent the admin an email and hopefully i can be a part of it.

6/03/2006 03:21:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

About the "next level blog:
How do y'all think the groups will be split up? (Obviously all the physicists and mathematical wizards will be in one.)

6/03/2006 03:25:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Hey kinda cool quote to go along w/ the new blog: As Jack says, "If we don't live together. We're gonna die alone."

6/03/2006 03:27:00 PM  
Blogger brammers said...

007surge and antecedent: i just had an interesting thought about the hole3 picture. 007surge mentioned changes to the picture well maybe the "save me" message on the original just meant save me to your computer so you can compare me with my buddy when he appears im gonna save both of them from the blog and start having a play around on Paintshop Pro
keep up the good work every one.. maybe the 3 of us could work together on this one ill give you my email address if your up for it

6/03/2006 03:51:00 PM  
Blogger shannon said...

ok maybe this is just my opinion...don't you think this is a little overboard? i mean, abc realizes there's tons of people interested in the online game(AND maybe its only me again, but this is their way of advertising thru the summer...we're all hooked!) , i dont think they'll be posting clues only people with a geo-physics background will understand...granted, the answers wont be right infront of us, they want us to think a little, but...it seems a little overboard, especially when they're investing so much money and time into it, they don't want to frusturate the game participants who dont have a geo-physics background or whatever...it would kill this form of advertising

on another note, i think dividing the work up seems like an excellent idea, i dont think the rest of us should rely soley on the producers of this blog, if they continue to be doing all the work themselves(as they have been) it just seems it's an unfair amount of work for them...just imaigne the number of emails they get a day, Plus blog comments to skim through!!

6/03/2006 03:54:00 PM  
Blogger SRJanit0r said...

What a surprise to come back after being gone all night and day to find my name on the front page. Wow. Thank you. In one more week I'll be on vacation for 3 weeks and can devote my attention to TLE more seriously. I'll have the laptop wired and ready to go. I'm stepping off the plane and handing a child to each family member that will be there to pick us up...and I'm going to dissapear!! Not quite that easy but I'll be around more consitantly. I wish there was a way to find out who is doing TLE writing. I could do behavioral profiles....hmmmm

Anyway, I'm going to fire off an email for the medical and behavioral/social aspects of the game.

I'm also willing to serve up files/trascripts/notes and host an IRC channel on a private server for those that would be interested in realtime communication.

Thank you again loyal admins for the mention. I look foward to a long happy summer with ya'll.

Sincerely & Namaste,
Aaron aka SRJanit0r

6/03/2006 03:55:00 PM  
Blogger SRJanit0r said...

Shannon read this --> http://www.seanstewart.org/beast/intro/

It can get pretty complex. I'm guesing that many a research paper has been written about that game and the others that followed. As far as I can tell in the limited research I've personally done, they are banking on people with specific knowledge of certain subjects. It makes people work together I think is the idea.

I can't tell you how many times I've had my 8yr old tell me how to do something I was making waaaay to complex. That will be the case a lot too. Fresh eyes and a clear vision will be invaluable ..as much as ..if not more so than some one with expertise in a specific area.

Food for thought,

Namaste my friend,
Aaron.

6/03/2006 03:59:00 PM  
Blogger brammers said...

ive emailed them about the images and graphical aspects of the game i dont have any qualifications but im studying art and graphic design at school

6/03/2006 04:00:00 PM  
Blogger shannon said...

i never thought that they might be trying to get people to work together on it though...that makes it relate back to the island kind of too i guess...thanks aaron

6/03/2006 04:02:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

Shannon, I agree. While I'm not as fast at finding stuff as some, I think that had I been given some time, I could figure out the clues too (but, I'm lazy and just read what everyone else has found).

Also, after reading what everyone else has posted, I'm gettin more interested in helping out with this new blog...or possibly with the newbies. I'm not as quick as others, but I DO have a TON of time on my hands, photoshop 7, and of course...the internet!

6/03/2006 04:02:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

aaron, I don't know if you posted the thing yesturday about the beast, but I read up on it...Very intersting. Too bad I never got into it while it was around.

But I do agree. I think fresh eyes and an open mind are keys to the game.

6/03/2006 04:04:00 PM  
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6/03/2006 04:12:00 PM  
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6/03/2006 04:18:00 PM  
Blogger Circe said...

Hey folks, new poster but I've been watching this site for awhile now. Good job, btw! Just quick intro after reading the post on researchers: I'm fast, I'm usually thorough, and I have an M.A. in American Lit...so feel free to call my attention to anything that involves books, narrative, and greek mythology.

6/03/2006 04:34:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

circe, you should contact the admin. about the new blog!

6/03/2006 04:37:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Hello again.
Well I am still trying to digest this idea of dedicated researh teams. It's a good idea as there are many clues/insights that come up that are quickly lost despite being unanswered and possibly important. It seems to me that the reason for this call for change is we all get lost in the blog and the Lost Experience (always coming up with more good info though), and too many leads etc aren't being properly followed up. I myself often jump off tracks because something more interesting comes up. This needs to be streamlined somehow so that all leads are being followed. THATS A LOT OF LEADS. I agree that although people who are particularly skilled in certain areas eg Advanced mathematics, physics, chemistry, mythology etc are a fantastic help. it is however the people with time and dedication that count mostly. I think the key to this game is Googling and teamwork. This blog has already shown exceptional levels of both. That is why it is so successful and enjoyable. We all get on, are polite and have the same goals. perfect.

I think I am getting to a point. Just how are these research teams/blogs to be broken down. Would it not be a good idea to go over all thats been said and have dedicated blogs to each of the unanswered points that come up. The administraters/chosen researchers would be the only ones to add a blog so it wouldn't be like a free for all forum as that would probably give nearly as many blogs as we get comments. If something is tied up it can be removed and posted elswhere. I feel this gives us a kind of moderated wikipedia on the subject but the most indepth one on the net.
When it comes to special interests I guess it should be decided who will lead the investigations in the various blogs.
I also think that keeping the main blog (this one) open is important as an area for posting things which don't fit anywhere else or the user isn't sure if it has come up before.

It has to be said that the site has done a great job so far of keeping things as simple as possible but the picture is getting just too big so it is getting so hard to keep up with everything.

If I am off track with this then sorry. Let me know what you think please.

Anyway. I have been itching to get into some clue stuff for days and thats what I'm here to do. I see that this latest idea seems to have slowed the research but there is so much to do.

And on a final note. I agree with the above that Honestly. please don't feel left out anybody. If you want to submit e-mails and you think you can make a difference than PLEASE do. The more people who say stuff (even if you think it means nothing) please do as you are all unique and it is this kind of insight that makes this game and this blog so successful. cikualema: I am sorry that you think that noobs will be pushed aside but i feel it couldn't be further from the truth. I have seen many posts asking if something is real, stating a clue already mentioned etc but when answered it is always respectfully. Even by people who have had to say it again and again. The poeple who have frequented this site often and have made many posts know that it is so hard to keep up and also know that the very same people have come up with interesting information later on about something else. We are all very important including you.

Thanks for taking the time to read

6/03/2006 04:45:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Anyway. Clues.

I mentioned earlier that not all entries put into sublymonal.com read from wikipedia. It is about finding the right words. It is my new clue machine and I like it. To be fair I haven't tried much but other that the fact that lymon entry and wikipedia entry don't match whats on wiki I found another.
On my fourth attempt I tried organ. What came up onscreen was the text

#REDIRECT Organ zh.category...

I found no mention of this on the organ page in wiki or the source code for it.

Don't know what it means but I want to find more.

6/03/2006 04:52:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Oh yes. And I nearly fell over when I read my name on the main page.

I feel like I have to work extra hard now. lol

6/03/2006 04:54:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

wizardry_eas: I totally agree that things are being overlooked. The sublymonal website has always struck me as odd. I know there has to be more to it...but WHAT!!!

6/03/2006 04:55:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

I was messing around on the Hanso website and sent Joop a message. You know...let him know we're working on trying to save him...hehe.

Anyways, when I was connecting the dots in what looks to me like a heart, I noticed a face in one of the circles. Anyone else seen this? It's the middle circle on the left side. I'll upload it into photobucket and put up the url if anyone is interested.

6/03/2006 05:07:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

nightmaremommie,

I feel there can be three possibilities here.

1. organ is part of an old mystery missing organs. If #REDIRECT Organ zh.category...
means anything then I am onto something. maybe it is a place to unleash all those mysterious words/numbers etc we have come across.

2. Maybe, although a lot of the info comes from wiki, there will be things written said that aren't on wiki and this we as a team need to scrutinise. It may be just more dirt on the Hanso foundation or something like that.

3. It is offering titbits of confusing info that although may be suggestive of things to research but red herrings could be involved.

I still haven't tried any more words but am just about to.

6/03/2006 05:09:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

nightmaremommie:
Of course we are interested. post away. It might be nothing. It might not be. The fun in this game is determing wheter it is or not.

6/03/2006 05:11:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

Well, I have some housework that desperatly needs to be done...But tonight, I'm gonna look more into various things I have on my mind.

wizardry_eas, I look forward to seeing if you have found anything new.

6/03/2006 05:12:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

Before I start the housework, I'll post that url...almost forgot! hehe...lemme go upload them...just a sec.

6/03/2006 05:13:00 PM  
Blogger IHeartToast said...

007urge
I have an idea that goes along with what you have discovered with the hole images.

007urge said-
I believe the "save me" message was not about a person, but about the image itself. Consider that the image was replaced with the D2o version relatively quickly. Also, I've noticed some subtle differences in the 2 while I've been working with them:

1. the color pallettes are different - if you convert them both to windows pallette, the first has a dominantly blue background and the second has a reddish purple background.

2. the face in the first picture is wider than the second, even though the canvas is the same size.


This reminded me of something which I couldn't place until now. This is how simplistically a 3d image works.
Anaglyphic [ana·glyph·ic /"a-n&-'gli-fik/] adjective -- A stereoscopic motion or still picture in which the right component of a composite image usually red in color is superposed on the left component in a contrasting color to produce a three-dimensional effect when viewed through correspondingly colored filters in the form of spectacles.

The mode of 3D presentation you are most familiar with are the paper glasses with red and blue lenses. The technology behind 3D, or stereoscopic, movies is actually pretty simple. They simply recreate the way humans see normally.
-This came from- http://www.3dglassesonline.com/how-do-3d-glasses-work/index.html

This may be far fetched but then again it could present us with a clue in the face. 007 if you could layer the two images on top of eachother and then look at your image with 3d glasses we may have something.

6/03/2006 05:14:00 PM  
Blogger IHeartToast said...

A 3D film viewed without glasses is a very strange sight and may appear to be out of focus, fuzzy or out of register. The same scene is projected simultaneously from two different angles in two different colors, red and cyan (or blue or green). Here's where those cool glasses come in -- the colored filters separate the two different images so each image only enters one eye. Your brain puts the two pictures back together and now you're dodging a flying meteor!

Instead of blue sometimes green is used but I think if this is correct normal 3d glasses would work

6/03/2006 05:18:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

Very National Treasure....

6/03/2006 05:20:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

Hey everyone! Gonna lay down for most of night (having a bad health day)...but will be back tomorrow!

If anyone wants to see any of the youtube videos for lost, I have them all in myspace blogs:

my blogs

Peace!
Lena

6/03/2006 05:22:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Interesting idea. I only skimmed the comments so excuse me jumping in a bit with my opinion.

[Edit: I started out commenting favourably but as I typed more I started to think I'm really not sure about this]

One downside is that it could seem a little cliqué like and even aside from that it may lead to some people not voicing ideas if they feel their skills are redundant. But I do think we desperately need more organisation here. The blog format isn't really great for it, a threaded message board would be better which a board per clue and sub-boards per direction taken with a central pinned list of what has been tried and where we've had sucsess. It's natural to need some kind of monitor/organiser for each section, but the problem is if we create team leads based on specialist skills and focus goes to those we could miss the most obvious clue in the world were it not to fit within those skills.

Really as far as skills go, I reckon everyone should just give what they think is best a shot. I mean in a lot of cases it is just a case of spending time to look things up on the net. The only skills that are certain to keep comming up are breaking down pictures and whole websites for concealed clues. It's a safe bet numbers will come into it a lot, but that doesn't always mean maths.

I think the main problem with the site is that doing a comments page per "clue" can be confusing. It's essentially a daily blog with the clue being whatever has come up that day. Even when it is a single clue there is still a good chance there will be a number of sub-clues included and they need there own comments section to keep it tightly organised. For me splitting things into physics, maths, etc isn't going to be a great help. It also risks isolating those conclusions from each other. For example the Greek Mythology guy may dig out a relevent name but not find any game links to it and so disgard it, not knowing that the mathematics guy has just come up with a string of numbers the code guy could convert into letters that the anagram guy could have figured out as the exact name that was just dug up by the Mythology guy. Complex huh? When it's all in the same clue/days comments that stuff would be picked up easily. "Live together, Die Alone man".

So I vote YES to better organisation, I vote YES to giving BellyO and some others more to do (because I'm sure they'll do it well), but I vote a BIG NO to fragmenting the group into specialist skill research groups.

It may be handy however to have a database of peoples skill areas so we know who to ask about stuff.

6/03/2006 05:24:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

Sorry it took so long for the photos to upload...my computer is being retarded. Okay, here's the photos from sending Joop a message. Sorry they're so small...If you put them into a photo program, they can be enlarged. Lemme know what you guys think...I'll be on again later tonight.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/m_peery/Lost/ee61d6ff.jpg
This is of the whole screen (the heart and the other holes)

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/m_peery/Lost/bbca17cb.jpg
This one is of the face close up.

6/03/2006 05:24:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Oh,
I promised to post a link to a clear comparison of the man in the yellow labcoat in the background shown in Peter Thompsons clue. If you click here and scroll down to below the hidden images found I posted my findings on one of the hidden images. Pay particular attention to the creases on the are on your left (not the prosthetic arm). They are identical. There really is no question here.

With regard to The Lost Experience linking to the show Lost due to the Marvin candle thing, the blast door map, and alvar hanso (including his picture) I feel that it is possible (in theory)that what Hugh Mcintyrre said in his interview could still be true about the show being fictional and not at all related to Hanso. The Lost producers took this orientation video which already existed and included it in their show because it works well in the show (hmmm, Hanso could surely put an injunction in for that and sue millions), and the blast door map could have been copied from another Hanso source. The clues we are getting are not the Hanso Foundation but a hacker. Persephone took the passwords from the blast door map. (I'm not sure if anything else about the blast door map links to the game to prove me wrong here).

Despite this I think that they do link strongly. Although we are meant to think the game is seperate. It isn't really. I think the point is more that the clues etc we find do not bear relation to how the Lost story proceeds. For now anyway. Who knows in the future.

Now onto those words at sublymonol.
BTW I would like to re-iterate that the word anor came up as a passcode for me when I went in last night after it first went up. I haven't seen it again nor do any of the words that come up look like it so I am quite sure I am right. Any reason?

6/03/2006 05:32:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

wizardry_eas

I'm convinced that the Man in Yellow is indeed Marvin Candle. Now the question becomes -- why is Marvin Candle appearing in the dirt that we're digging up on Peter Thompson?

6/03/2006 05:41:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Matt,
That picture was a hidden image in another clue as well. The map one that came from the mathematical forecasting initiative. Maybe it's not aimed at just Peter Thompson or maybe not at all. Just part of the bigger picture.

6/03/2006 05:44:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I am really sorry but when I said entering organ above I meant organs

6/03/2006 05:46:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I can't think what else to put in to sublymonal. I will search the blogs. Anyone any ideas?

6/03/2006 05:48:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

wizardry_eas said, "That picture was a hidden image in another clue as well."

Ah, so it is. I wonder why the shape of Dr. Marvin Candle is so important that they have to stick it everywhere?

6/03/2006 05:51:00 PM  
Blogger IHeartToast said...

My Bad oo7 - I meant surge not urge

6/03/2006 05:55:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Oh,
Also,
can I just ask these questions again.

Once you have been to the miracle - hard water section on the Hanso site I can't get back in without clearing all my cache as the miracle test and link is gone. It sounds from above posts that others have got back in. Does anyone know how to get back there?

The guy from that clue in the "hazmat suit" is still a mystery. It looks like more of a painting. ??? But the question I have is:

SPOILER ALERT
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is the sound that is being played when that hazmat suit guy comes up the same as the one in Lost when the machine in the hatch was turned off? I can't check as I do not want to flush my cache again as it is tedious (previous question).

6/03/2006 06:01:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Could be one of those red herrings matt. I hate those. There are enough false sites to put up with red herrings as well. imho

6/03/2006 06:03:00 PM  
Blogger Mr.Bankhead said...

I think this is an excellent idea.
I don't think I can contribute as much, but good idea man.

6/03/2006 06:08:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Also of note is that on the press release page for the WWPDP page where miracle is (WAS aaaargh!) (someone mentioned that if you flick between this page and about WWPDP you get the image of cracks (quite normal unless there is a hidden something to be found in the formation of these cracks (well beyond my expertise)) and also four white soxes. One of them appears where the word miracle is (WAS aaaaaaargh! - sorry about that) suggesting the placement of the password box, but there is another three. ??? Not sure what it means but thought it worth mentioning.

6/03/2006 06:10:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

soxes = boxes in the last post. Sorry

6/03/2006 06:11:00 PM  
Blogger Mort_Cinder said...

im off to bed, im tired. see u all tomorrow.

6/03/2006 06:12:00 PM  
Blogger lost & confused 2 said...

The idea of a place for newbies is cool. I got into the game late and have found it very overwhelming to read all of the posts. I would like to get to the point of being "caught up" but don't have the time to read all of the posts. It would be nice to have a place where it would be easy for the newbies to read the answer to the previous clues so that we can concentrate on the current clues. Just an idea.

6/03/2006 06:45:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

nightmaremommie:
Although I can see vaguely a picture of a face (almost monkey like but in a drawn kind of way) I am not sure what relevence it would have. I feel it is just a coincidence but hey. imho.

6/03/2006 06:58:00 PM  
Blogger LydiaDietz said...

as for the newly proposed "researcher blogs" only bennefit I see is that it will actually give the rest of us a chance to figure SOMETHING out for ourselves. Don't get me wrong I come here for help when I cant get the things to work, and I love the recaps and reading the various theories, however I have found that given more time and work many of us can find out how to navigate the game just fine, ie those of us dedicated may stumble across the clues first, but the commercials have advertised the new links for people who don't spot changes right away. The game is not set up as I have read others mention before for the players to be experts in anything, or have the ability to make photos into audio... we can all do it without all of these things.

Anyhow, it will hopefully thin down these comment blogs

let the games begin!

6/03/2006 07:00:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I sent my email in to admin. It reminded me of another thing that I mentioned in the provious comments.

I also have a keen interest in theories of say Einstein, Hawking and the like. Black holes, and more recently the string theory and the grand universal theory (GUT). This is the theory of everything and it is being persued (although a long way off if indeed possible at all). I sometimes wonder with the Mathematical Forecasting Initiative if it has anything to do with this theory of everything. Hanso seem to be into everything super advanced scientific.

Juat one of many things going on in my head.

6/03/2006 07:06:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

wizardry_eas, I figured it was just a coincidence, but thought I would ask everyone else's opinion too.

6/03/2006 07:09:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Absolutely nightmaremommie. As I said, we are here to scrutinise everything; from all our own unique perspectives. That is how we find new and interesting stuff. Good work on finding something that has not been mentioned (to my knowledge).

6/03/2006 07:13:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

Thanks wizardy_eas. Any luck at the sublymonal site?

6/03/2006 07:14:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Sorry nightmaremommie,

I ended up doing that mail to the admin which took up longer than anticipated. Other than what I mention above (anor was one of the mysteries) I haven't looked further. I am not sure what else to enter to be honest. I was going to look through previous blog comments but haven't yet.
Sorry

6/03/2006 07:25:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

It's alright wizardy_eas. I was just curious. I've been messing around with the site as well...Nothing interesting as of yet.

6/03/2006 07:29:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Someone mentioned before that survivor guilt came up with something. It is pretty standard entry from wiki but maybe it describes in some way about peter thompsons life?

Maybe not, I guess it could be another one of those possibilities that can be extractd from nothingness to mean something. In other words there will be so many simlar comparisons of things in this game, its a bit like reading a horoscope.

That I guess is where this "next level" the admin are creating is trying to help with. "Think tanks" and putting this stuff in some kind of order.

6/03/2006 07:35:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

wizardy_eas:
You mentioned the cracks on the WWPDP page. I did the best I could at getting that image. Here it is:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/m_peery/Lost/76d4b188.jpg

I'll mess around with it in photoshop and see if I can come up with anything...But my guess is there's nothing to it...But then again...

6/03/2006 07:36:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Thanks nighmaremommie,

As I said, if there is something in the cracks it is beyond me. But maybe someone can get something from them. And then, as you say, maybe not.

6/03/2006 07:39:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

When you put in dharma it mentions a load of numbers (has been mentioned before). I tink the numbers are just the ascii codes for the letters( not sure what dialect) that are on the wiki site. Nothing important I think.

6/03/2006 07:44:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I also notice that it is pretty selective about what it takes from wikipedia. Example:
iran gives access denied but there is an entry on wikipedia.

6/03/2006 07:49:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

I noticed that too about sublymonal

6/03/2006 07:50:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

If I put in 144 (one of the numbers on the compass page) it speaks back HTML code rather that what is actually on wiki. Mistake or deliberate?

6/03/2006 08:01:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

It does the same with any number from what I can gather. Probably nothing but who know?

6/03/2006 08:04:00 PM  
Blogger Sidenine said...

I haven't read all 100 comments, so forgive me if I'm repeating what someone else already said. I think it's amazing how in depth these clues are to solve at times. They need to be deciphered by well-qualified people, and I don't think any one person could do it alone. Seems like a similar scenario is taking place on the island of Lost. It's no coincidence that they're all connected by "X" degrees of separation. All the folks there have been brought together for their various talents to do something. What that is, I don't know...

6/03/2006 08:05:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

algeria a little strange. Voice mentions the source code rather than description

I thought algeris cam up with something else before. I could be wrong.

6/03/2006 08:05:00 PM  
Blogger j7chico said...

Just catching up from today. Good comments all around. I've spent a lot of time on the sublymonal site and I gotta tell you, I got nothin'.

6/03/2006 08:14:00 PM  
Blogger louie1 said...

Hs anyone typed Algeria into the sublymonal site? I got (roughly) 'the people's republic of Algeria,' 'arabic language' and a string of 0's and 1's with the occas. 'slash
Grasping at straws? Could someone else try it, please

6/03/2006 08:17:00 PM  
Blogger j7chico said...

We looked into that last night but came up with nothing. Someone put in quinine please.

6/03/2006 08:18:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

The pass code I came across before "anor". I put this in backwards "rona" and got some strange letters above the text. See here.

Does this mean anything to anyone? It isn't on the wiki site.

6/03/2006 08:18:00 PM  
Blogger louie1 said...

I take that back --- it wasn't just 0's and 1's, there was the odd 's' and 'u' and 'vertical line'

anyway, not sure if just a glitch or something of interest

6/03/2006 08:19:00 PM  
Blogger j7chico said...

from the file name q9als2002, yesterday someone came up with Quinine (used to treat malaria primarily) when I put it into sublymonal, something comes up. check it out

6/03/2006 08:22:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

j7chico:
quinine is interesting too. nice one. The wiki reference says it is a chrystaline alkaloid. Important?

6/03/2006 08:22:00 PM  
Blogger louie1 said...

'quinine' looks like source code?

6/03/2006 08:23:00 PM  
Blogger j7chico said...

what is that text stuff?

6/03/2006 08:23:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

It is source code. Why are some words, numbers referencing source code. A mistake or something else?Who knows?

6/03/2006 08:25:00 PM  
Blogger louie1 said...

'deutirium' is access error like hanso and widmore

6/03/2006 08:26:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

j7chico,

If you are referring to the "text stuff" that comes up when you type in rona, I do not know.
I am hoping someone can tell me.

6/03/2006 08:27:00 PM  
Blogger j7chico said...

staying with the quinine theme, quinine is harvested from the quinine bark of the amazon, Brazil tie in?

6/03/2006 08:29:00 PM  
Blogger j7chico said...

louie, try deuterium

6/03/2006 08:31:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Here is a clearer look at the rona test rona.

I am not as sure now that it is important but I still cannot find the text from wiki so actually, no. I do think it is strange.

6/03/2006 08:33:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

That should have been rona text. sorry

6/03/2006 08:34:00 PM  
Blogger louie1 said...

What's with the numbers when 'dharma' or 'sri lanka' (from the messages on the call center) is inputted? what am i missing?

6/03/2006 08:37:00 PM  
Blogger j7chico said...

I'm calling it a night. I'll check back in the morning. Keep up the good work wizardry and Louie, something's there. I can feel it.

6/03/2006 08:40:00 PM  
Blogger louie1 said...

i knew it looked funny when i typed it --- right-- 'deuterium' it is
*blush*

6/03/2006 08:40:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

louie1:

If you go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srilanka (the entry in which sublymonal is getting its info from) there are some strange characters from the page. The voice saying the numbers cannot pronounce these symbols so says it in ascii code instead. The same can be said of the dharma code. The lookup on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma) shows what look like arabic characters. Because the voice cannot pronounce them it gives the code in ascii.

6/03/2006 08:43:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I guess it doesn't mean the numbers are meaningless for sure but it would seem unlikely that they men anything. imho.

6/03/2006 08:49:00 PM  
Blogger Loden said...

This is off topic, but I know i'm not crazy...I just went to THF.org and the time wasn't there - just the date and day. Then I refreshed and it was there again. Just FYI...

6/03/2006 08:49:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I haven't checked that the numbers are ascii numbers. That is just my theory. Go ahead and check if you like.

6/03/2006 08:50:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

loden.

That would have been because you logged in at hh:42. If you log into the site when the minutes are 15 or 42 the time is blank. Has always been that way. Thanks for the input though.

6/03/2006 08:51:00 PM  
Blogger aline said...

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6/03/2006 09:01:00 PM  
Blogger Loden said...

Thanks Wizardry and sorry all...I thought the time went to OB:EY at 15 and 42.

BTW...I've been working on the miracle/heavy water page with the pic of Hanso and all the text x'd out. The caption above the picture is the same quote from the victim's parents:

"They told us our son died on the operating table" remarked one of the victims' parents, on condition of anonymity. "To find him kept alive by artificial means, his organs taken away, is a nightmare...It's hell on earth."

Notice the quote puts the possessive apostrophe after the "s" which means the word victim is plural.

You all may have noticed this already, but it's new to me...

6/03/2006 09:10:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Not many people seem to be here at the moment. I guess. Saturday night. Better things to do and all. Or maybe it is just a bad time. I always feel that when I come on the conversation slows. I tend to get on at about the same time every night so I guess it is just a bad time.
Sorry to niggle but this is the first time i have been able to do this in a while and I miss the many other bloggers.
Thank you louie1, loden and j7chico for being there.

6/03/2006 09:10:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I sound like an addict. Oh well.

6/03/2006 09:11:00 PM  
Blogger louie1 said...

wizardry_eas
that makes sense so could the weird letters when you type in 'rona' be the computer's attempt @ the cyrilic (sp?) alphabet?

6/03/2006 09:12:00 PM  
Blogger Loden said...

I'm an addict too wizardry...I've never blogged about anything before. I can't walk by the computer without checking for updates...

And thanks for the input...I always look for what you have to say...

6/03/2006 09:13:00 PM  
Blogger louie1 said...

we're all addicted...

6/03/2006 09:13:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

loden,

It has been noticed but you may follow it further or differently than other people so don't let it put yuo off.

It DOES come up with OBEY if you are on the site at time of 15 or 42 but if you login at that time the time is blank.

6/03/2006 09:14:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

wizardry_eas: You're not the only one. I've never blogged before or participated in an ARG. Every free moment I check the blogs. My husband thinks I'm crazy.

6/03/2006 09:17:00 PM  
Blogger Loden said...

Has all the text on that page been transcribed? I move on to something else if it has. Can anyone point me to the text?

6/03/2006 09:18:00 PM  
Blogger Loden said...

Maven: My husband thinks I'm crazy too. I skipped a football game tonight to stay home and do this. :)

6/03/2006 09:20:00 PM  
Blogger antecedent said...

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6/03/2006 09:21:00 PM  
Blogger Howard said...

I am not an addict, I can stop any time I choose, really, I can, I know I can, I stopped 5 times this week alone

Howard
(I am out here too)

6/03/2006 09:22:00 PM  
Blogger ElleJayGee said...

This may have come up elsewhere already, but has anyone tried putting "The Numbers" into the Sublymonal page? I got some weird source code-- I'm wondering if it was the same source code as when "rona"??

6/03/2006 09:26:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

lmso howard. Seriously, I could stop if I chose to. But I have no reason to. It is also a relatively good addiction anyway. It stimulates the mind in many ways.

6/03/2006 09:29:00 PM  
Blogger Loden said...

ellejaygee: I got the same thing.

Has anyone noticed that the reporter from the miracle/heavy water clue (recorded interview) doesn't have a South African accent? yet it's the Cape Town Inquisitor.

6/03/2006 09:29:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

hey all... my eye is swollen shut and, aside from being bummed out about it, I'm also unable to do a whole lot... and my depth perception is all screwed up. Doctor said I should be back up to full speed when Monday rolls around... and I'll probably be well enough to play tomorrow...

sucks not bein' able to play the game, but at least I can't fall too far behind without any clues being released... I'm just supposed to lay back with a warm cloth... :/

meh... I thought I'd just post to let you all know why I haven't been around too much today.... or yesterday for that matter... I NEED A FIX, MAN!

6/03/2006 09:35:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

ellejaygee.

Not the same. If you look at the link to the picture (above post) you will see what I mean. The symbols are written. Not spoken. The numbers is refering to numbers and is the reference from wiki. Seems normal.

6/03/2006 09:35:00 PM  
Blogger Loden said...

We miss you Belly...take care

6/03/2006 09:36:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

There seems to be a lot of sicknesses here. Is this a clue? Are we systematically coming down with something made by TPTB?. Is it the infection referred to on the lost island?

LOL
Only joking of course.

6/03/2006 09:40:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Well I am afraid to say it but am off to bed. 3.30am here in UK. I have a whole day tomorrow. Hopefully come up with something.
Night

6/03/2006 09:44:00 PM  
Blogger aline said...

Pics of Sublymonal.com in my blog
at http://limacedo.blogspot.com/

6/03/2006 09:44:00 PM  
Blogger louie1 said...

sublymonal has become too annoying for tonight ...
my eyes are crossed

6/03/2006 09:50:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

belly0fdesire: We need you man, get better soon -- or else!

By the way, I found out where ABC ripped the numbers for their letyourcompassguideyou.com website:

http://www.greatdreams.com/gem4.htm

Take a look and tell me what you think.

6/03/2006 09:56:00 PM  
Blogger moxy29 said...

long time reader and first time poster! I want to say thank you for all the work you are doing! I am looking forward to seeing the new format. I am not sure what skills I can provide...I do have a copy of bad twin so I would be more than willing to contribute on clues in the book. I will send an email to admin :)

ihearttoast: http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21322

I was excited to see more to do with Bad Twin!

6/03/2006 10:14:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

Nice find Matt!

6/03/2006 10:14:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

moxy29...I just ordered my copy today. I cannot wait to get it!

6/03/2006 10:15:00 PM  
Blogger Takeawalkupsideyourself said...

Wow how odd. I have been doing some research because the trigonometry has been bugging mean and was just going to post (for the first time )about the GEMATRIAN wheel. I was wondering if had been discussed here at all since this seems to be the one of the most active boards for the game. It has been discussed on other sites: http://thelostbixperience.blogspot.com/2006/05/compass-map-equals-gematrian-wheel.html but it does not look like anyone has gone further.

6/03/2006 10:22:00 PM  
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6/03/2006 10:35:00 PM  
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6/03/2006 11:16:00 PM  
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6/03/2006 11:52:00 PM  
Blogger drpunkass said...

A comment from those of us feeling isolated and frustrated.

Speaking as someone who does not spend the entire day in front of a computer screen (I'm a professor - I spend my days in the classroom), I have found myself increasingly frustrated with the deluge of comments per clue. This particular comment list is the perfect example of what is wrong with the current set up. What was supposed to be a list of comments regarding a "next level blog" has launched into comments about clues. And not just ONE clue, MANY clues. You all wonder why the "noobs" feel isolated? Or why there are a bunch of posts asking questions that have already been answered? ("Who's Persephone?" haha) This is happening because there is no organization! If I were trying to catch up right now on the hole2 and hole3 picture clues (Which, I believe are listed on the site as Clue #46 and #47) - I would NOT be able to have all of the most up-to-the-minute info, because you all are talking about it in here!!

Is there a way to have the discussions threaded? For those of us that check the site less frequently than "all the time" it is much too difficult to sift through hundreds of comments to find if an idea has already been posted. Particularly if these ideas are posted in random sites around the blog!

Thanks for listening (reading). :)

6/04/2006 12:05:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

drpunkass

Personally, I dislike the forum (or as you call it "threaded") format because it leads to isolation. For example, on these comment pages, one person might see information that they had otherwise overlooked about something, and it might inspire them to investigate. On a forum page, things are divided into topics and therefore is less likely to happen.

6/04/2006 12:10:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

I totally agree with drpunkass. Even though I am constantly checking in and scrolling through hundreds of posts (and having a lot of fun), it's very difficult following one particular thread. Everyone posts on the latest clue or announcement. Previous clues become dead. I know there's a Message Board with threads, but the majority of us post here talking about everything under the sun under the most current clue. Maybe with the new upcoming research blogs this will become more managable and people can find what they're looking for to work on.

6/04/2006 12:17:00 AM  
Blogger oo7surge said...

drpunkass: I agree with you and must admit that I post comments in the latest section to improve visibility and promote feedback. This is selfish of me, and disrupts the organization that is already in place on the site. As a sign of my agreement/support, I have relocated my comments about the Faceless pics to clue #46's comments.

I know that this will decrease the amount of eyes on any current work since not everyone goes and checks every comment section, but perhaps this could be another solution for the "research teams". This way each set of clues has it's own "work space" in the comments section and a "clue rep" can pass significant findings on to the admins to update the main page with.

Just a thought & (dare I say?) Namaste

6/04/2006 12:26:00 AM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

oo7surge: I left a couple of comments on your blog. I'm totally convinced that f1 has morse code in it. I'll post more info under clue 46.

6/04/2006 12:31:00 AM  
Blogger drpunkass said...

maven & 007surge:

Thanks! I hope that the new format will help organize things a bit better.

Matt:

I understand your concern with a forum, but it seems to me that those of you who are keeping up with the comments most often would be reading all of the separate topics anyway. So, at least in theory, those connections would still be made.

Having said that, I understand that the game will likely get very convoluted. I just feel that it is important to at least try to establish some kind of organization now, before it gets completely impossible to sort things out. Who knows? Maybe in July we might have to come back to some clue given to us in May. We may need some way to get back to this week's ideas without having to sift through hundreds of random comments.

Anyway, thanks again, everyone, for letting me vent. :)

6/04/2006 12:50:00 AM  
Blogger kRaZyD said...

drpunkass, I understand your frustation, but honestly after watching how this blog has developed, I am mightly impressed.
I, until recently, haven't been able to devote full attention to the ongoing effort. I want to make a documentary about this (I work in the entertainment industry). I find it absolutely fascinating. I'm going to buy a hd cam tomorrow, anyone who wants to talk about this ARG, please let me know. If I get invied to Cannes for this, you're all welcome to crash in my hotel.

6/04/2006 12:54:00 AM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

krazyd, are you in the L.A. area?

6/04/2006 12:59:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

drpunkass said, "Having said that, I understand that the game will likely get very convoluted. I just feel that it is important to at least try to establish some kind of organization now, before it gets completely impossible to sort things out. Who knows? Maybe in July we might have to come back to some clue given to us in May. We may need some way to get back to this week's ideas without having to sift through hundreds of random comments."

That's a good point.

Well, my main beef with TLE forum websites is that they're hard to navigate or look through. For example, I find it very difficult to navigate at The Tail Section. And the forums at 4815162342.com are a little hard for me to see because of clutter and color choices, and in my humble opinion such website should be as simple and clutter-free as possible in order to shorten the time needed to navigate the website and make it easier on the eyes to read.

If you can create a forum that is clutter-free, easy to navigate, and easy on the eyes, then I will be all for it.

6/04/2006 12:59:00 AM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

Ha...Matt....I know what you mean. I'm a member of both of those sites, and yet I spend all of my time commenting here.

6/04/2006 01:01:00 AM  
Blogger drpunkass said...

Matt:
"If you can create a forum that is clutter-free, easy to navigate, and easy on the eyes, then I will be all for it."

LOL! I knew I shouldn't complain without offering a good solution. :)

6/04/2006 01:24:00 AM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

wizardry_eas said...
Also of note is that on the press release page for the WWPDP page where miracle is (WAS aaaargh!) (someone mentioned that if you flick between this page and about WWPDP you get the image of cracks (quite normal unless there is a hidden something to be found in the formation of these cracks (well beyond my expertise)) and also four white soxes. One of them appears where the word miracle is (WAS aaaaaaargh! - sorry about that) suggesting the placement of the password box, but there is another three. ??? Not sure what it means but thought it worth mentioning....



So, I looked into it a little bit. Couldn't find anything. BUT!!! I've noticed that they are not there anymore. I am on a different computer. Don't know if that has something to do with it or not....BUT who knows. I guess I'll have to restore that picture from my trashcan...hehe.

6/04/2006 01:32:00 AM  
Blogger trevorgladez said...

matt the pale: that site is a brilliant find, and leads me to believe that most of the scientific info presented thus far has been co-opted from other sources. Perhaps the Valenzetti equation is a formula that is already documented. I have a hard time believing that the Lost writers hired mathemeticians to think up an equation that would include the numbers. I think it is more likely that they found an obscure reference, and expanded on that. I think it is only a matter of time before someone finds a site that actually has the equation AND the numbers. Although, one might not know they have found the equation, unless they could do the math required. Which, leads to these specialized fields.
And, as for the new "specialized" message board, I am all for it. There seems to be a plethora of super smart and intuitive folks here. If I could find a place that would hire me to work with folks like you, I would never be late to work....... Seriously though, I think Monster.com should be culling these blogs to find the brightest prospects, instead of having to go to them.
In any case, the Valenzetti equation seems to be the most important piece of the puzzle that has an overall effect on both the game and the show, as I think Matt the pale has pointed out, without product tie-ins and ads. That may be the ultimate goal of this thing, too, to find the Valenzetti equation.
For myself, I don't think there is a position for me in the reasearch message board, unless there is a sarcasm czar. I would be perfect for that.
I haven't seen it on the Careers page, but if the Hanso Foundation needs someone to pull staples out of their paperwork, i have a bunch of references regarding my skills in that area. I got a D in Calculus, but that was mostly because I was sleeping during class, so I am depending on all those students who stayed awake to figure this thing out......


P.S. what would happen if someone found out the Valenzetti equation , or any big answer, and ruined/solved the game prematurely? How would this game be redirected to keep our interest until the new season started?

6/04/2006 01:38:00 AM  
Blogger oo7surge said...

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6/04/2006 01:42:00 AM  
Blogger oo7surge said...

trev: In regards to the Valenzetti equation being "co-opted": check out a theory called the Omega Point by French philosopher Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. He's in Wiki, and IMHO is VERY pertinent to a lot of the game and show.

6/04/2006 01:44:00 AM  
Blogger oo7surge said...

Also, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin was a Jesuit Priest. I find this interesting since Peter Thompsen's College in Chicago was a Jesuit institution...

Sorry about these being in the "Next Level" comments, but I don't think they're really clue related.

6/04/2006 01:48:00 AM  
Blogger trevorgladez said...

great article 007. I was especially interested to find an Asimov book as a reference, as I am a fan of his. Also, Mr. Bungle. I have a feeling we will find the Valenzetti equation, though not authored by him.

6/04/2006 01:50:00 AM  
Blogger SRJanit0r said...

Wow! So much can happen while you are gone for a few hours!

I want to state, that after visiting multiple sites concerning TLE, I'm convinced that this one is quite unique. One of the distinct differences is the ability of the "present community" to let the really negative comments go unchallenged, hence leaving the agressor with nothing to fight and the frustrated who state their case in a civilized manner are heard and get civilized repsonses. People actually are getting along and not (to use the internet phraseology: "Flamed".

Unique indeed. drpunkass and matt both make excellent points. Imho a forum made of both suggestions would be the perfect fit.

wizz- I wish we were in the same time zone. No need to feel alone m8 :)

mommie- always look foward to your posts! Being a Mr.Mom for the most part myself...I get you ;)

belly- I hope you are feeling better soon. You are sorely missed.

ant- your brain works over time man... crazy! Your posts keep me busy..very!

trevor- great post. Monster or any employer would do well to pick from this lot. We are definately on to something. I agree that Valenzetti will be of utmost importance. I find that equation and what relevance it has, quite exciting

matt- huge score with that website on the compass. bookmarked and I'll be reading thru it first thing in the a.m.

Good night and Namaste,
Aaron.

6/04/2006 01:57:00 AM  
Blogger oo7surge said...

I thought so, trev. There was also a specific mention of the Tiplerian Omega Point by physicist Frank J. Tipler. I definitely want to read more about that, but feel the math will be beyond me.

aaron - dittos straight down the board. This being my first ARG and Blog (as I see it is for others as well), this board definitely gives me a good feeling about the experience.

G'night folks, and happy hunting.

6/04/2006 02:06:00 AM  
Blogger trevorgladez said...

Did you peg me for an Asimov, and Mr. Bungle fan right away? or did you use some equation to figure me out? I am paranoid about everything now......

6/04/2006 02:42:00 AM  
Blogger Suicidal said...

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6/04/2006 04:17:00 AM  
Blogger nb said...

Hey i've applied for this new researcher thing

Me, CSS and mattthepale (and others) have worked really hard on the tangent theory with

Me coming up with the initial idea

CSS doing all the maths

Mattthepale doing all the mapwork

Hopefully it will all pay off

6/04/2006 05:34:00 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

ok just looking at the hole3 images (i know its a little off topic but) and they are very different (aside from the messages hidden in them) firstly there is an extra colour in the original one and nearly the whole palette is different. Also there is alot of black in both the palletes but there is none in the images themselves (i tried changing the black to red and the picture didnt change at all)maybe the black is hidden underneath the rest. could be another hidden message...

6/04/2006 06:39:00 AM  
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6/04/2006 07:05:00 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

just moved my last comment over to clue 46 sorry if i caused any confusion

6/04/2006 07:45:00 AM  
Blogger kRaZyD said...

no, nightmaremommie i'm in NYC. but i really think this whole process should be documented. It is simply amazing and everyone outside of this should be able to watch and appreciate how much hard work and effort that you folks are putting into this.

Seriously, I'm not working for a little bit. So if anyone is interested in being interviewed about TLE and your role in it, please let me know. I'm come out to wherever your located. I'll even be in England for the last 2 weeks of June, so those on the other side of the pond, I'd love to interwview you as well. I'm going to email the ADMIN and see if I can make this happen.

Guess I just found my part of the personnel puzzle!

6/04/2006 08:11:00 AM  
Blogger Takeawalkupsideyourself said...

The article on the wheel was actually found by someone on May 18th , however on a much less frequented blog. But after some initial discussion no one there pursued it or the idea of 108 as a gemetrian number.
Gemetria / isopsephia also is a way of assigning numerals to letters /words.

6/04/2006 08:13:00 AM  
Blogger kRaZyD said...

Sorry for all the typos, just woke up!
Good morning and Namaste.

6/04/2006 08:18:00 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

sounds like a great idea krazyd. every one has got something to offer for this thing ive already sent my email. i would be up for an interveiw when you are in the uk. as long as your not a murderer or a pedophile or anything.. lol

6/04/2006 08:29:00 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

there is aload of us still playing around with the two faceless men images come and join us at clue 46 if u have any information
thanks....

6/04/2006 08:33:00 AM  
Blogger katamarmom said...

I have a question/suggestion about the last clue that I haven't seen posted. I put it under clue #47. Thanks for checking it out.

6/04/2006 08:49:00 AM  
Blogger katamarmom said...

just to throw my two cents in regarding discussions - this is also my first time with all of this and I find the forums very hard to navigate. I agree that the extremely long blogs are time consuming and to drpunkass' comment we may have difficulty finding info later, however this format is much easier to follow. I am sure, with as much intelligence as is being shown already though, that we will quickly figure out the best way to streamline info!

6/04/2006 08:58:00 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

i dont bother using the formums katamarmom i just stick to this blog. i agree it is much easier to follow and hopfully it will be even easier once the researchers have been sorted out. sorry i couldn't answer your question i am a bit behind on the clues i havnt been able to get into the miracle hack at all yet the password box doent even appear.

6/04/2006 09:05:00 AM  
Blogger Howard said...

Krazyd

I am a NYC based etertainemnt lawyer, so if I can be of help, as either an interviewee or from the legal side, let me know. Not sure what I can contribute to the search here, other than the occassional insight or observcation (I still think Echo Ray Y is significant) but maybe I can help you make us all famous.

Howard

6/04/2006 09:31:00 AM  
Blogger Sarah said...

I think that having certain people in charge of various research areas could be a good way to keep things sorted out and to the point..Just so long as this doesn't become a private club for the few selected "brilliant minds".

I enjoy working on this and contributing whenever I can, and hopefully those who can't devote every waking minute to this game can still at least participate without feeling ignored or stupid.

I am sure something will be worked out for the benifit of everyone who participates in this blog. =)

6/04/2006 09:35:00 AM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

krazyd:
Well, I am in the Los Angeles area. If you're gonna be out here at all this summer, I would love to participate! I agree. I think this thing needs to be documented!

Alright, well I'm off to church. Probably won't be back on till tonight.

Happy hunting (for clues that is).

-Michelle

6/04/2006 09:51:00 AM  
Blogger katamarmom said...

007surge - I checked out your references to Omega Point. Does anyone know where "noobs" - newbies started? I think I heard it first from Speaker. I ask because of the spelling - is it "webtalk" or is it significant? I found it interesting that there was a "noosphere" which is "transhuman consciousness emerging from the integrations of human minds". Sounds like what we have here!

6/04/2006 10:06:00 AM  
Blogger katamarmom said...

got that definition from Wikipedia, btw

6/04/2006 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

noobs has been around for ages it started on online games dunno how the spelling came about though

6/04/2006 10:21:00 AM  
Blogger alex said...

its leet speak

6/04/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Blogger katamarmom said...

sorry for being dumb, but what is leet speak?

6/04/2006 12:07:00 PM  

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