ADMIN ANNOUNCEMENT: The Next Level...
This blog is committed to collecting and posting the "Clues" as neatly and concisely as possible. It is very clear though that this isn't going to be enough. We must begin to intensify our dialogue about the "meaning" of the clues.
To discover the depths of this game and what it is telling us, we have already seen that we are really going to have to work together. Many brilliant minds have been doing some great research and contributing some fascinating insights but, for the most part, it has been tucked away in the "comments." It's time to bring their efforts center stage!
In 2 weeks, we are planning to launch "The Lost Experience Clues Research" blog and it is slated to be a "Group Blog". Our goal is to have "focused researchers" posting insights about each of their areas of interest/growing expertise as it relates specifically to the Lost Experience.
To discover the depths of this game and what it is telling us, we have already seen that we are really going to have to work together. Many brilliant minds have been doing some great research and contributing some fascinating insights but, for the most part, it has been tucked away in the "comments." It's time to bring their efforts center stage!
In 2 weeks, we are planning to launch "The Lost Experience Clues Research" blog and it is slated to be a "Group Blog". Our goal is to have "focused researchers" posting insights about each of their areas of interest/growing expertise as it relates specifically to the Lost Experience.
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The wild thought by one person can be the spark that ignites a new idea in another that leads to a solution.
You do need a team of leads to manage these clues and all of the associated information. When a clue is identified, assign it to a couple of lead researchers to keep it organized. That doesn't mean you move away from an open forum. What it does mean is that each clue has a summary of the ideas that worked. This should be useful if you ever have to go back to a clue to see if it's relevant to the current clue, and for new participants who want to catch up.
Also remember that there may be folks here who have the expertise but not the time to invest. Having dedicated contributors is a must, but let's not forget what has made this blog so successful.
This sounds like a good idea. However, I hope the great majority of us don't feel "left out". I know when some posters at InsidetheExperience started talking about getting together in a chat room, there were a lot of bad vibes over there. As long as we all can see what's going on in the "research" blogs, I think it will work out.
EXACTLY!
Send an e-mail! If you think this is something you'd like to invest some more time in, send an e-mail!
And if its NOT something that you want to spend more time with, TAKE HEED! This'll help you! This'll help ALL of us. More people doing more work and posting it somewhere that's clear and accessible... That means fewer but MORE INFORMED comments and more caplets of knowledge for the Lost Experience-r who's On-The-Go.
It's not a hierachy- some people are better than you thing. It's not. If anything, this is proof that I have WAY too much time on my hands! And that I have NO LIFE! :)
It's all good. We're only 4 weeks in and got the whole summer to go. :)
ihearttoast: I did see that earlier. I guess this means I'll have to break down and buy a copy. There might be more clues in this book than we think.
I think the call-out for "experts" is a combination of:
1. Interests
2. Expertise
3. TIME AND DEDICATION
Because if someone's out there who REALLY digs what's going on with the Experience and has a lot of time this summer free AND is WILLING to do some extra work... then woo-hoo! Go ahead!
A PhD. professor at Oxford with no free time is USELESS.
An excited reader with free time and internet access is GOLDEN!
That's all it is, I think. Not in charge of it. Just have super strong opinions.
I'm not very computor literate; however, I can research a particularly topic if you guys need some help on something. I'll be around most of the summer (big trip for 3 weeks in August, though -- hope I don't miss too much?)
antecedent: Yes, I did see your post. I'll be readng and watching and waiting for the moment I can pitch in and help!
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ok maybe this is just my opinion...don't you think this is a little overboard? i mean, abc realizes there's tons of people interested in the online game(AND maybe its only me again, but this is their way of advertising thru the summer...we're all hooked!) , i dont think they'll be posting clues only people with a geo-physics background will understand...granted, the answers wont be right infront of us, they want us to think a little, but...it seems a little overboard, especially when they're investing so much money and time into it, they don't want to frusturate the game participants who dont have a geo-physics background or whatever...it would kill this form of advertising
on another note, i think dividing the work up seems like an excellent idea, i dont think the rest of us should rely soley on the producers of this blog, if they continue to be doing all the work themselves(as they have been) it just seems it's an unfair amount of work for them...just imaigne the number of emails they get a day, Plus blog comments to skim through!!
i never thought that they might be trying to get people to work together on it though...that makes it relate back to the island kind of too i guess...thanks aaron
Hello again.
Well I am still trying to digest this idea of dedicated researh teams. It's a good idea as there are many clues/insights that come up that are quickly lost despite being unanswered and possibly important. It seems to me that the reason for this call for change is we all get lost in the blog and the Lost Experience (always coming up with more good info though), and too many leads etc aren't being properly followed up. I myself often jump off tracks because something more interesting comes up. This needs to be streamlined somehow so that all leads are being followed. THATS A LOT OF LEADS. I agree that although people who are particularly skilled in certain areas eg Advanced mathematics, physics, chemistry, mythology etc are a fantastic help. it is however the people with time and dedication that count mostly. I think the key to this game is Googling and teamwork. This blog has already shown exceptional levels of both. That is why it is so successful and enjoyable. We all get on, are polite and have the same goals. perfect.
I think I am getting to a point. Just how are these research teams/blogs to be broken down. Would it not be a good idea to go over all thats been said and have dedicated blogs to each of the unanswered points that come up. The administraters/chosen researchers would be the only ones to add a blog so it wouldn't be like a free for all forum as that would probably give nearly as many blogs as we get comments. If something is tied up it can be removed and posted elswhere. I feel this gives us a kind of moderated wikipedia on the subject but the most indepth one on the net.
When it comes to special interests I guess it should be decided who will lead the investigations in the various blogs.
I also think that keeping the main blog (this one) open is important as an area for posting things which don't fit anywhere else or the user isn't sure if it has come up before.
It has to be said that the site has done a great job so far of keeping things as simple as possible but the picture is getting just too big so it is getting so hard to keep up with everything.
If I am off track with this then sorry. Let me know what you think please.
Anyway. I have been itching to get into some clue stuff for days and thats what I'm here to do. I see that this latest idea seems to have slowed the research but there is so much to do.
And on a final note. I agree with the above that Honestly. please don't feel left out anybody. If you want to submit e-mails and you think you can make a difference than PLEASE do. The more people who say stuff (even if you think it means nothing) please do as you are all unique and it is this kind of insight that makes this game and this blog so successful. cikualema: I am sorry that you think that noobs will be pushed aside but i feel it couldn't be further from the truth. I have seen many posts asking if something is real, stating a clue already mentioned etc but when answered it is always respectfully. Even by people who have had to say it again and again. The poeple who have frequented this site often and have made many posts know that it is so hard to keep up and also know that the very same people have come up with interesting information later on about something else. We are all very important including you.
Thanks for taking the time to read
Anyway. Clues.
I mentioned earlier that not all entries put into sublymonal.com read from wikipedia. It is about finding the right words. It is my new clue machine and I like it. To be fair I haven't tried much but other that the fact that lymon entry and wikipedia entry don't match whats on wiki I found another.
On my fourth attempt I tried organ. What came up onscreen was the text
#REDIRECT Organ zh.category...
I found no mention of this on the organ page in wiki or the source code for it.
Don't know what it means but I want to find more.
Oh yes. And I nearly fell over when I read my name on the main page.
I feel like I have to work extra hard now. lol
nightmaremommie,
I feel there can be three possibilities here.
1. organ is part of an old mystery missing organs. If #REDIRECT Organ zh.category...
means anything then I am onto something. maybe it is a place to unleash all those mysterious words/numbers etc we have come across.
2. Maybe, although a lot of the info comes from wiki, there will be things written said that aren't on wiki and this we as a team need to scrutinise. It may be just more dirt on the Hanso foundation or something like that.
3. It is offering titbits of confusing info that although may be suggestive of things to research but red herrings could be involved.
I still haven't tried any more words but am just about to.
nightmaremommie:
Of course we are interested. post away. It might be nothing. It might not be. The fun in this game is determing wheter it is or not.
Hey everyone! Gonna lay down for most of night (having a bad health day)...but will be back tomorrow!
If anyone wants to see any of the youtube videos for lost, I have them all in myspace blogs:
my blogs
Peace!
Lena
Interesting idea. I only skimmed the comments so excuse me jumping in a bit with my opinion.
[Edit: I started out commenting favourably but as I typed more I started to think I'm really not sure about this]
One downside is that it could seem a little cliqué like and even aside from that it may lead to some people not voicing ideas if they feel their skills are redundant. But I do think we desperately need more organisation here. The blog format isn't really great for it, a threaded message board would be better which a board per clue and sub-boards per direction taken with a central pinned list of what has been tried and where we've had sucsess. It's natural to need some kind of monitor/organiser for each section, but the problem is if we create team leads based on specialist skills and focus goes to those we could miss the most obvious clue in the world were it not to fit within those skills.
Really as far as skills go, I reckon everyone should just give what they think is best a shot. I mean in a lot of cases it is just a case of spending time to look things up on the net. The only skills that are certain to keep comming up are breaking down pictures and whole websites for concealed clues. It's a safe bet numbers will come into it a lot, but that doesn't always mean maths.
I think the main problem with the site is that doing a comments page per "clue" can be confusing. It's essentially a daily blog with the clue being whatever has come up that day. Even when it is a single clue there is still a good chance there will be a number of sub-clues included and they need there own comments section to keep it tightly organised. For me splitting things into physics, maths, etc isn't going to be a great help. It also risks isolating those conclusions from each other. For example the Greek Mythology guy may dig out a relevent name but not find any game links to it and so disgard it, not knowing that the mathematics guy has just come up with a string of numbers the code guy could convert into letters that the anagram guy could have figured out as the exact name that was just dug up by the Mythology guy. Complex huh? When it's all in the same clue/days comments that stuff would be picked up easily. "Live together, Die Alone man".
So I vote YES to better organisation, I vote YES to giving BellyO and some others more to do (because I'm sure they'll do it well), but I vote a BIG NO to fragmenting the group into specialist skill research groups.
It may be handy however to have a database of peoples skill areas so we know who to ask about stuff.
Oh,
I promised to post a link to a clear comparison of the man in the yellow labcoat in the background shown in Peter Thompsons clue. If you click here and scroll down to below the hidden images found I posted my findings on one of the hidden images. Pay particular attention to the creases on the are on your left (not the prosthetic arm). They are identical. There really is no question here.
With regard to The Lost Experience linking to the show Lost due to the Marvin candle thing, the blast door map, and alvar hanso (including his picture) I feel that it is possible (in theory)that what Hugh Mcintyrre said in his interview could still be true about the show being fictional and not at all related to Hanso. The Lost producers took this orientation video which already existed and included it in their show because it works well in the show (hmmm, Hanso could surely put an injunction in for that and sue millions), and the blast door map could have been copied from another Hanso source. The clues we are getting are not the Hanso Foundation but a hacker. Persephone took the passwords from the blast door map. (I'm not sure if anything else about the blast door map links to the game to prove me wrong here).
Despite this I think that they do link strongly. Although we are meant to think the game is seperate. It isn't really. I think the point is more that the clues etc we find do not bear relation to how the Lost story proceeds. For now anyway. Who knows in the future.
Now onto those words at sublymonol.
BTW I would like to re-iterate that the word anor came up as a passcode for me when I went in last night after it first went up. I haven't seen it again nor do any of the words that come up look like it so I am quite sure I am right. Any reason?
Matt,
That picture was a hidden image in another clue as well. The map one that came from the mathematical forecasting initiative. Maybe it's not aimed at just Peter Thompson or maybe not at all. Just part of the bigger picture.
I am really sorry but when I said entering organ above I meant organs
I can't think what else to put in to sublymonal. I will search the blogs. Anyone any ideas?
Oh,
Also,
can I just ask these questions again.
Once you have been to the miracle - hard water section on the Hanso site I can't get back in without clearing all my cache as the miracle test and link is gone. It sounds from above posts that others have got back in. Does anyone know how to get back there?
The guy from that clue in the "hazmat suit" is still a mystery. It looks like more of a painting. ??? But the question I have is:
SPOILER ALERT
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is the sound that is being played when that hazmat suit guy comes up the same as the one in Lost when the machine in the hatch was turned off? I can't check as I do not want to flush my cache again as it is tedious (previous question).
Could be one of those red herrings matt. I hate those. There are enough false sites to put up with red herrings as well. imho
Also of note is that on the press release page for the WWPDP page where miracle is (WAS aaaargh!) (someone mentioned that if you flick between this page and about WWPDP you get the image of cracks (quite normal unless there is a hidden something to be found in the formation of these cracks (well beyond my expertise)) and also four white soxes. One of them appears where the word miracle is (WAS aaaaaaargh! - sorry about that) suggesting the placement of the password box, but there is another three. ??? Not sure what it means but thought it worth mentioning.
soxes = boxes in the last post. Sorry
nightmaremommie:
Although I can see vaguely a picture of a face (almost monkey like but in a drawn kind of way) I am not sure what relevence it would have. I feel it is just a coincidence but hey. imho.
I sent my email in to admin. It reminded me of another thing that I mentioned in the provious comments.
I also have a keen interest in theories of say Einstein, Hawking and the like. Black holes, and more recently the string theory and the grand universal theory (GUT). This is the theory of everything and it is being persued (although a long way off if indeed possible at all). I sometimes wonder with the Mathematical Forecasting Initiative if it has anything to do with this theory of everything. Hanso seem to be into everything super advanced scientific.
Juat one of many things going on in my head.
Absolutely nightmaremommie. As I said, we are here to scrutinise everything; from all our own unique perspectives. That is how we find new and interesting stuff. Good work on finding something that has not been mentioned (to my knowledge).
Sorry nightmaremommie,
I ended up doing that mail to the admin which took up longer than anticipated. Other than what I mention above (anor was one of the mysteries) I haven't looked further. I am not sure what else to enter to be honest. I was going to look through previous blog comments but haven't yet.
Sorry
Someone mentioned before that survivor guilt came up with something. It is pretty standard entry from wiki but maybe it describes in some way about peter thompsons life?
Maybe not, I guess it could be another one of those possibilities that can be extractd from nothingness to mean something. In other words there will be so many simlar comparisons of things in this game, its a bit like reading a horoscope.
That I guess is where this "next level" the admin are creating is trying to help with. "Think tanks" and putting this stuff in some kind of order.
Thanks nighmaremommie,
As I said, if there is something in the cracks it is beyond me. But maybe someone can get something from them. And then, as you say, maybe not.
When you put in dharma it mentions a load of numbers (has been mentioned before). I tink the numbers are just the ascii codes for the letters( not sure what dialect) that are on the wiki site. Nothing important I think.
I also notice that it is pretty selective about what it takes from wikipedia. Example:
iran gives access denied but there is an entry on wikipedia.
If I put in 144 (one of the numbers on the compass page) it speaks back HTML code rather that what is actually on wiki. Mistake or deliberate?
It does the same with any number from what I can gather. Probably nothing but who know?
algeria a little strange. Voice mentions the source code rather than description
I thought algeris cam up with something else before. I could be wrong.
The pass code I came across before "anor". I put this in backwards "rona" and got some strange letters above the text. See here.
Does this mean anything to anyone? It isn't on the wiki site.
j7chico:
quinine is interesting too. nice one. The wiki reference says it is a chrystaline alkaloid. Important?
It is source code. Why are some words, numbers referencing source code. A mistake or something else?Who knows?
j7chico,
If you are referring to the "text stuff" that comes up when you type in rona, I do not know.
I am hoping someone can tell me.
Here is a clearer look at the rona test rona.
I am not as sure now that it is important but I still cannot find the text from wiki so actually, no. I do think it is strange.
That should have been rona text. sorry
louie1:
If you go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srilanka (the entry in which sublymonal is getting its info from) there are some strange characters from the page. The voice saying the numbers cannot pronounce these symbols so says it in ascii code instead. The same can be said of the dharma code. The lookup on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma) shows what look like arabic characters. Because the voice cannot pronounce them it gives the code in ascii.
I guess it doesn't mean the numbers are meaningless for sure but it would seem unlikely that they men anything. imho.
This is off topic, but I know i'm not crazy...I just went to THF.org and the time wasn't there - just the date and day. Then I refreshed and it was there again. Just FYI...
I haven't checked that the numbers are ascii numbers. That is just my theory. Go ahead and check if you like.
loden.
That would have been because you logged in at hh:42. If you log into the site when the minutes are 15 or 42 the time is blank. Has always been that way. Thanks for the input though.
Thanks Wizardry and sorry all...I thought the time went to OB:EY at 15 and 42.
BTW...I've been working on the miracle/heavy water page with the pic of Hanso and all the text x'd out. The caption above the picture is the same quote from the victim's parents:
"They told us our son died on the operating table" remarked one of the victims' parents, on condition of anonymity. "To find him kept alive by artificial means, his organs taken away, is a nightmare...It's hell on earth."
Notice the quote puts the possessive apostrophe after the "s" which means the word victim is plural.
You all may have noticed this already, but it's new to me...
Not many people seem to be here at the moment. I guess. Saturday night. Better things to do and all. Or maybe it is just a bad time. I always feel that when I come on the conversation slows. I tend to get on at about the same time every night so I guess it is just a bad time.
Sorry to niggle but this is the first time i have been able to do this in a while and I miss the many other bloggers.
Thank you louie1, loden and j7chico for being there.
I sound like an addict. Oh well.
I'm an addict too wizardry...I've never blogged about anything before. I can't walk by the computer without checking for updates...
And thanks for the input...I always look for what you have to say...
loden,
It has been noticed but you may follow it further or differently than other people so don't let it put yuo off.
It DOES come up with OBEY if you are on the site at time of 15 or 42 but if you login at that time the time is blank.
wizardry_eas: You're not the only one. I've never blogged before or participated in an ARG. Every free moment I check the blogs. My husband thinks I'm crazy.
Has all the text on that page been transcribed? I move on to something else if it has. Can anyone point me to the text?
Maven: My husband thinks I'm crazy too. I skipped a football game tonight to stay home and do this. :)
This may have come up elsewhere already, but has anyone tried putting "The Numbers" into the Sublymonal page? I got some weird source code-- I'm wondering if it was the same source code as when "rona"??
lmso howard. Seriously, I could stop if I chose to. But I have no reason to. It is also a relatively good addiction anyway. It stimulates the mind in many ways.
ellejaygee: I got the same thing.
Has anyone noticed that the reporter from the miracle/heavy water clue (recorded interview) doesn't have a South African accent? yet it's the Cape Town Inquisitor.
ellejaygee.
Not the same. If you look at the link to the picture (above post) you will see what I mean. The symbols are written. Not spoken. The numbers is refering to numbers and is the reference from wiki. Seems normal.
We miss you Belly...take care
There seems to be a lot of sicknesses here. Is this a clue? Are we systematically coming down with something made by TPTB?. Is it the infection referred to on the lost island?
LOL
Only joking of course.
Well I am afraid to say it but am off to bed. 3.30am here in UK. I have a whole day tomorrow. Hopefully come up with something.
Night
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I totally agree with drpunkass. Even though I am constantly checking in and scrolling through hundreds of posts (and having a lot of fun), it's very difficult following one particular thread. Everyone posts on the latest clue or announcement. Previous clues become dead. I know there's a Message Board with threads, but the majority of us post here talking about everything under the sun under the most current clue. Maybe with the new upcoming research blogs this will become more managable and people can find what they're looking for to work on.
drpunkass: I agree with you and must admit that I post comments in the latest section to improve visibility and promote feedback. This is selfish of me, and disrupts the organization that is already in place on the site. As a sign of my agreement/support, I have relocated my comments about the Faceless pics to clue #46's comments.
I know that this will decrease the amount of eyes on any current work since not everyone goes and checks every comment section, but perhaps this could be another solution for the "research teams". This way each set of clues has it's own "work space" in the comments section and a "clue rep" can pass significant findings on to the admins to update the main page with.
Just a thought & (dare I say?) Namaste
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trev: In regards to the Valenzetti equation being "co-opted": check out a theory called the Omega Point by French philosopher Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. He's in Wiki, and IMHO is VERY pertinent to a lot of the game and show.
Also, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin was a Jesuit Priest. I find this interesting since Peter Thompsen's College in Chicago was a Jesuit institution...
Sorry about these being in the "Next Level" comments, but I don't think they're really clue related.
I thought so, trev. There was also a specific mention of the Tiplerian Omega Point by physicist Frank J. Tipler. I definitely want to read more about that, but feel the math will be beyond me.
aaron - dittos straight down the board. This being my first ARG and Blog (as I see it is for others as well), this board definitely gives me a good feeling about the experience.
G'night folks, and happy hunting.
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Hi All, meant to post these thoughts last night but I was too tired to do anything but sleep.
Just a few subjects I was mulling over while at work (sadly my job is too busy to do lots of research while there, but it doesn't stop me thinking).
1) DJ Dave - Seems to me this could just be advertising. Basically just a Jeep advert put on the end of the broadcast and not relevent to the game. I think it would be unlikely if DJ Dan was both compromised and eliminated, unless it was a smear and removal opperation, but that would draw too much attention to someone. So I suspect the DJ Dave was just part of Dan selling out by including the advert.
2) OWelles - If this is indeed an Orson Welles reference it doesn't neccisarily mean it's anything to do with War of the Worlds. It could also be related to:
* A War Criminal hiding amongst an unknowing little town (The
Stranger)
* The rise and fall of a rich and powerful man (Citizen Kane)
* Corruption and/or planting false evidence to frame people
(Touch of Evil)
* Making money off a disease by controlling and watering
down the cure (Third Man)
* Eating planets and changing powerful giant robots into
even more powerful giant robots (okay maybe not that one).
3) This is what I've been doing this afternoon. I was looking at the audio background "music" that comes up when you click Saudi on the mathematical forecasting map. Fiddling with the sound a bit there was another sign of something resembling a whisper. At first I thought it said "Persephone", but now it sounds more like "I know who you are" or possibly "I know who you are Persephone". I've uploaded them this time http://www.darksider.co.uk/lost/ The important ones are the two Persephone ones and the "I know who you are" one. The others are of the hole2 pic translated to sound.
What I could really do with is a list of loose ends. I'm hoping this doesn't degenerate too much into being like one of those classic point and click adventure games (Space Quest/Lesuire Suit Lary etc) where you get stuck and just go around trying every object unaccounted for in your inventory against every clickable object in every location until you find what to do next. But if it comes to it, a loose ends list would be invaluable.
p.s. this has been sitting here waiting to send for a good couple of hours, sorry if I'm covering stuff brought up in that time!
As brammers suggested, it's a good idea for the UK to get a head start on the US cousins in cracking the codes but that also means we can work after they go to sleep! You can COUNT ON ME to work...as soon as I finish watching this repeat of England vs. Jamaica. Oh yeah...and I have to pack because I'll be in London tomorrow night for the week. I PROMISE, however, to be up-to-date on the clues. Consider my tail worked off and EVERYONE, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!
Lol, yeah Rooney, that's pretty much my plan too. I was working during the game so I will have to catch up on that, and then back to these clues.
OK...the game is over. You know...if I it wasn't for the fact that I am from the US, I'd be routing for England in the Cup because they're going to do well. I might have to buy a jersey this week while there and come home and route for them anyway..
IMHO, after reading what Speaker said today, I still see that the Hugh bit on Jimmy's show was a bit weak with the "of course I look different" part. It was, however, great production value added to the game and I am wondering if THF might make a 10, 15 or even 30 minute "infomercial" about themselves to try to THF in a better light. You know, it wouldn't be a far stretch...
5 days to the Cup!
I agree with drpunkass and the rest of you regarding the discussions here...I tend to post on the most current topic too...so here goes.
Did any of you see the show this morning on the history channel about the "true philadelphia experiment"? I only saw the end where they discussed that the only real research going on currently regarding electromagnetism and teleportation is at Cal Tech. Per the history channel show, Cal Tech has successfully teleported photons from one location to another. They currently believe that the ability to teleport any more complex matter is the stuff of science fiction. Interesting that's the school where T Mittlewerk supposedly went - who has no record of his attending.
It seems that each of the active projects has it's own set of clues and research that needs to be done. I'm all for organizing the discussions and research. I get overwhelmed. There are so many "tangents' to investigate. I'm not sure where to start...
I appreciate all of you and your ideas. I look forward to your posts! Thanks!
Here are links to the articles re: quantum teleportation...
http://pr.caltech.edu/media/Press_Releases/PR11935.html
http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~qoptics/teleport.html
markormesher: I still think the two are somehow related - that one doesn't have to watch the show to play the game, but those who do will end the process with more insight to the show. imho.
Hi guys. Sorry I haven't been around. Wanted to read all about the gematrian wheel which has taken some time and I don't think it has got me anywhere. (I kind of gave up on the sublymonal site for a bit as I wasn't getting anywhere; I did find that the "#REDIRECT organ zh.category" that comes up when using passcode organs is probably nothing but the code for wiki redirecting to the organ instead of organs)
The following are some quotes/information I came accross that may be relevant.
"Carl noted that the basic numbers always end in 0, 2, 4, 6, or 8."
"Some other significant numbers are located at "in-between" points on the "Gematrian Wheel." It could be considered a 20-part Wheel. Each of these points are 18 degrees between the Gematrian numbers, such as 18, 54, 90, 126, 162, 198, and 234. Notice that 54, 126, and 234 all have the same tangent (again, ignoring plus/minus). Check this against the number 666, to see it has the same tangent. 666 is one of the '"in-between" points, being between 648 and 684 on the "Gematrian Wheel." Notice too, that some of these numbers rearranged, and with various zeros, form regular Gematrian numbers. For example, add a zero to 126 to get 1260, or insert a zero into 234 for 2304. Notice also that the "in-between" numbers also add to nine or a multiple of nine, and are divisible by nine. The numbers often show a repositioning, such as 432 and the reverse, 234 (an in-between point), and 324. Such is the odd nature of Gematrian and Gematrian-related numbers"
"Keep in mind, as you read on, that when a number is listed that ends with an even number, and adds to nine or a multiple of nine, it may be a Gematrian number. If it divides evenly by 36, then it is one of the Gematrian numbers in my system"
"You can also verify it by entering the number on your calculator, and checking to see that the tangent is equal to 0.726542528 or 3.077683537. The tangents are both positive and negative numbers, but we will ignore that, for the most part, in our study of The Code"
"The above is true when the ending number is 2, 4, 6, or 8. Some Gematrian numbers end in a zero, such as 1260. Larger Gematrian numbers that end in zero, such as 1080, also have a zero tangent, but you can still check it by removing the final zero or zeros, and checking the tangent. For the number 1080, remove the zero and check the tangent of 108 to see it is -3.077683537"
"The great accuracy of The Code holds true only with the latest satellite mapping coordinates. Carl says the plates of the earth have shifted a bit since some of the sites were built. Since, "The Code" shows accuracy within yards, the question is, "How did the ancients know how to do this." He thinks it is like a time-capsule, because it could have never been figured it out until now. Many years ago, the ancient sites were not located at the same coordinates where we find them today; so, whoever devised "The Code" must have known where the sites would be located in the future."
Apparently 153 is a special number that crops up a lot.
Maybe all this stuff is possibly touching on a way to be able to predict a massive amount of information, past events and future events. Even being able to manipulate future events.
Here is a list of Gematrian sacred numbers. http://www.greatdreams.com/sine2.gif
I came across this site. http://www.shifthappens.us/ I don't think is is important but I haven't had a chance to have a more thorough look.
Found from another site: Quote "Just in case gematria is new to you, I'll briefly explain. All the letters of the Greek and Hebrew alphabets have numbers assigned to them (unlike English). Gematria is "working" those letter-numbers in words and phrases. The totals obtained are then compared to - whatever. So when it says in greek, "Kurios Iesous Xristos", the numbers of all the letters total 3168 [see below]. This number is immutable. Also immutable is the earth's distance from the sun (accepted average, 93 million miles). [one point before going on: in gematria, the zeroes can always be discarded because they are only placeholders]" from http://asis.com/~stag/gematria.html
References to what letters in the greek/hebrew alphabet come from what numbers can be found at the bottom of this page http://asis.com/~stag/itworks2.html. Could this be used to translate anything we have found in the Lost Experience. More numbers and meanings can be found here. http://asis.com/~stag/numbtabl.html.
I know a lot of this will be nothing of importance but maybe someone can make more sence of it than me. Certainly the gematrian numbers seem to come up lot in this Experience and Lost itself (including the gematrian circle itself. But it seems to me that it is just some kind of mathematical universal constant which the universe is full of and plenty of work is done in these fields with many strange, coincidental and striking findings but can such things really be used in practice by us to find anything useful? If there is something useful to be found then I wish we had Carl Munck and the like working with us.
I noticed though that there was a few people working with the gematrian circle, tangents and numbers, and the map found in the Mathematical Forecasting Initiative. The findings seemed like they may be leading somewhere but I have yet to see any conclusions and I couldn't really follow the work they were doing (seemed to end up with three gematrian wheels on the map intersecting in Algeria. Did you guys get any further with this?
On a different note.
I know it seems bad to post stuff not relevant to the comments blog we are in but generally speaking if you post in the correct place the comments are not followed up by people but they are in the most current thread. Since this has been mentioned there seems to be a bit of a trend where some people are starting to post only in the relevant comments sections.
It seems that this is one of the main issues of this blog (not trying to single out this one as bad as I personally think it is the best). Because it means sifting through so much to find the gossip/conclusions on say the Peter Thompson clue or the hole2/hole3 picture clues. I feel imho that keeping these comments sections as they are on the main sections is a great place to go for inputting new info, has this come up before, etc and just to catch up with each other and our findings (as we already do).
Another section of the site could be dedicated to the specific clues, leads etc that we have. Only administrators/chosen researchers can create these specialist blogs and hopefully posts here will be a lot more relevant to the clues at hand. These blogs can then be referred to from this main blog and the much info that comes up this blog if something found relevant can then be added to the relevant specialist blog. Or a new blog created by the admin if thought necessary.
It seems to me that a fair bit of admin work would be involved by the chosen researchers but I shouldn't think too much. Anyway, these guys want to do this and I think the end result will be much more streamlined and fun for all. Those who put the work in will be real proud and the effort more than worth it.
Just my thoughts. I have touched on it before but I think I made it clearer.
Anyone else have an opinion or has this topic been exhausted already?
I am really sorry for the long post. I don't mean it but as I type it just all comes out.
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mattthepale
markormesher
loden
I think the speakers comments may well be addressing the fact that there are so many people thinking that the two have nothing to do with each other. It is like he is just trying to keep people on track.
I have also had a thought about the SaveJoop.com site. When the partition reaches 10000 the creators of the site claim they are going to do something about it/ approach Hanso. Maybe this will be an interesting part of the game and it is in keeping with taking a direct hands on approach (treating Hanso like a real organisation). If SaveJoop.com does now have connections with ABC maybe this is when the site will come into its own. Just some thoughts. And lets get signing.
Anyone else finding themselves getting caught up in real conspiracy theories while trying to research things? Is ABC in a secret plot to spread paranoia through the internet?
Hmmm
A couple of days ago (can't remember exact) going through the SaveJoop partition I came across some text which appeared to be jumbled letters (they were recent entries). There were three entries almost next to each other that seemed as though could be from the same person. I noticed that the first entry was bmubs ibotp which is alvar hanso. Just make each letter the letter befor it eg b=a c=b d=c and so on. I had to go out at the time so I said I would get back to it although I have to believe it was someone fooling around anyway. Even so I went back just now and I cannot find the entries at all. I have looked using the search but no joy. Now I am really annoyed I didn't quickly take a not of the other letters. I seem to recall it was shortly after the creator was on the DJDan podcast. I have no idea if it meant something or not but what really took me by surprise is that it is gone. There are so many crackpot names in that list that it seems strange that this was deleted.
Theory.
Either this was some clue or the partition is actually moderated and this was brought down in particular because it seemed to be a clue but wasn't and they didn't want their site used that way.
Any thoughts or similar experiences?
I don't see any reason to doubt the Speaker. But of course that doesn't mean he knows the truth himself (staying in game with it for the minute). He did raise an excellent point, why would we pressume that Hugh would say something truthful when everything else he said was misinformation. What else would he say about Lost? He's not going to admit it's based on real events if it is, so we've really learned nothing from him. He did admit to Dharma's existance, which suggests there is evidence of Dharma that is "out there" somewhere that they couldn't deny. It is also the single biggest link between the game and the show. I reckon the payday from the show will be the files on Dharma or at least a good deal of information about it.
Anyone know how long the game is due to go on for?
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I just wanted to mention that I started going back through the previous clues' comments sections to see what new had been said but fairly quickly I found that I didn't like having to keep thinking to myself 'now what was the last thing that was said when I was in here last' After going to a few of the sections I got a little fed-up. Is it just me or would people actually prefer it if the information came up in the latest blog comments for now? It would mean you only have to go to one page and just have to figure out where you left off the once.
I also posted in one of them and had this niggling feeling of 'just how many people are going to see this'. All just makes me want to post in the latest comments.
I may just be being to impatient. Sorry if that is the case.
I guess this is only a temporary gripe however as the upcoming site change(s) will hopefully resolve that.
matt the pale said "Unless, of course, it's already been mentioned. Ctrl + F on the main page ought to take care of that."
I think that it is real hard to keep things that have already been said out of the comments. Doing ctrl f on the main page gives many of the solid leads but within the comments are hundreds of things that have come up already and shown say to be not relevant or not in-game but the only way to find if these things have come up before would be to do ctrl f in every comments section before posting. I think at the moment it is just something we will have to put up with because I can't see an easy way around it.
The new design will hopefully address this somehow.
I also wouldn't discourage people from posting something just because they are not sure it has come up before. It may lead to people having some useful information that doesn't get shared just because they didn't have the time/patience to thoroughly look first and didn't want to post because they fealt it probably did come up before when actually it hadn't.
I guess that is why this problem exists and it is what the admin, amongst other things, is trying to address. All imho of course.
I will be interested to see how this "research group" idea works out. For my part, I'm happy to contribute in any way that I can. My time is often limited, but I will participate as much as I am able.
Oh and matt the pale:
Did you find out any more info about your workings on the mfi map, the gematrian circle and the numbers 0.726542/3.0776?
It does interest me but I cannot get back into the map without flushing cache. Big pain. Do you know a way around this?
I think the work you did on this was great.
I saw that question katamarmon. Like another poster I didn't quite understand what you meant.
What is micro fishe?
Can you be a bit clearer what screens you mean and where they can be found? I am sorry if it is obvious but I just can't think where you mean.
Oh cool. My newly added picture is showing. I forgot I did that for a moment.
matt the pale
Also if you may, can you confirm if the sound playing in the background where you got the guy in the "hazmat suit" is the same as that in
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Thank you.
katamarmom: I checked it out again and you're right. The page goes darker like there should be a clue on it. But nothing happens. When you do move on to the next page with Joop there is a yellow highlighted area on top of the page after the flashes. Click on that and you get the phone ringing. Click on the phone to the right and you get the audio. I did notice a small yellow box in the lower left corner of the screen (off the microfiche page with the harvested organ. I click on it, but nothing happens. Also, the picture of the x-rayed lungs mentions a harvested organ. However, this picture is very similar to the x-rayed lung on the Institute of Genomic Advancement page. There is says "infected" organ. Harvested/infected?
katamarmom
It is clearer now, thanks for that. And it is no problem about the pics. My problem is just that I cannot get into that part of the site as I do not want to flush my cache and the miracle link is no longer there. So I have checked out other things instead.
As I haven't seen it much I am not sure but you may be onto something.
The pic of the woman pointing to the balls stood out to me because it is the same pic that is in the Orientation video that is in Lost. Same subject too. psychology. parapsychology to be precise.
katamarmom
You can see the orientation video here.
aaron,
Your links worked just fine.
Oh well,
Got to go to bed. Catch up with you guys later.
wizardry: Am I missing something? When I go to the site the miracle link is still there. is it my cache?
katamarmom: I've been playing around with the same thing on the microfiche and I haven't found anything yet. the scroll buttons don't work unless you click on the page. I have noticed that on the next page (the retraction) the screen goes darker then flashes. Also a type of pixelated checkerboard shows up before the highlighted link appears.
I've been trying to look closer at the background picture on last page with the message to persephone. It looks familiar to me. At first I thought it was similar to the background from the peter thompson tobacco clue, but I don't think so. I've got screen caps of it, but don't know how to post them. They may already be posted somewhere. If anyone wants them, let me know how to post. I've tried uploading to my blog, but I get an error...
it's like we're supposed to pay attention to the page (where she's pointing to the ball)...since we have to click on the page before the scroll buttons will work again.
katamarmom: me either. I'm just having tons of fun trying to figure it all out.
Has anyone been able to transcribe the xxx'd out text on the page with AH's pic? I've been able to figure out some of it. The text in the right column appears a little disjointed. The end of one line doesn't seem to relate to the text on the next.
I guess everyone knows the text under AH's pic is the same as the statement from the parents on the other page. But the text on the right, from what I've been able to make out is:
line1: agent for the preservation of
line 9: experimentation and organ har-
line 10: Hanso starting wars the devel-
Is everyone gone? I'm going for ice cream...I'll check back later
Does anyone have a list in their notes of all the unanswered clues/mysteries/questions/coincidences/unused text boxes/etc. so we can have a better idea what needs to be looked at and worked on?
I'm back...It's interesting to me that the two text lines in sequence don't follow each other. THey don't make a sentence. put them together and you get:
experimentation and organ har- Hanso starting wars the devel-
see what I mean?
it's as if they've been cut and pasted together...
Oh well...
Good night all
maven: I'm hoping that will be a result of newly organized format in a couple of weeks. I'm confused myself. Every time I think I've found something, it's already been discovered. I'm still having fun though!
g'nite
How's everyone doin' tonight? Who else is jealous that Aussie folks got the chance to do covert Alias-like work to get "Bad Twin?"
And what do people think about Speaker's comments regarding whether LOST is fictional or not?
Finally, click on my name to read about Alex Toth, the cartoon artist who created Space Ghost and The Superfriends and Johnny Quest. He died today. Died while sitting at his drawing table.
That's better than dying in your sleep.
Loden:
Thanks for posting the x'd text, I haven't seen this before. Interesting that the text says "agent for the preservation of ..." and we all spent about a day before we figured out that Deuterium is an agent for the preservation of organs for transplant (thanks to j7chico). That makes me think that there's a lot in the game that hasn't been found yet, and the things we find are meaningful if they make sense. My hunch is that we will soon learn about Hanso's involvement in something that involves D2O, maybe uranium processing, as a front for moving large quanities of D2O. ($0.02)
ha! You are quite right, Howard!
On The Hanso Foundation it mark its press release about Bad Twin as 12/05/06.
Woah! Right?
Well, sadly, I do believe they put the day date before the month, as some people do. Their other listed date 05/05/06 works, too, as it came out on the fifth. And the press release came out the 12th. Thus, sadly, it is nothing.
Just wanted to clarify that for you. ^^
-The Truth Tempest
Also, on another note.
Something new! Amazing, right?
When you go to:
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/index.html#section=bios
You get a loading icon that keeps trying to get to 100%, but it only keeps cycling between all of numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42. You have to click on it to get in.
Also, some new background activity with random lines on the Board of Directors screen. Of course, we have always seen the login screen, but this is the first appearance to my knowledge of the obvious hacking signs that are common traces of Persephone. Perhaps there is something new hidden on the Board of Directors screen. Let us look into it and hope.
-The Truth Tempest
Matt, I did some digging into the Copyright Office and found some things that may just be... a little interesting.
Though I found no record of "Bad Twin", I did find records of works done by a [b]"Gary Troup"[/b]. Two audio releases. Here they are:
1. Registration Number: SRu-134-456
Title: Thought watching/Gary Troup.
Description:
1 sound cassette + sheets.
Claimant: Gary C. Troup
Created: 1986
Registered: 16 Oct 86
Author on © Application:
recording: Gary C. Troup. Miscellaneous: C.O. corres. Special Codes: 7/U
2.Registration Number: TXu-328-053
Title: Thought watching/Gary Troup.
Description:
1 sound cassette + sheets.
Claimant: Gary C. Troup
Created: 1986
Registered: 16 Oct 86
Author on © Application:
printed & recorded text: Gary C. Troup.
Miscellaneous: C.O. corres.
Special Codes: 1/B
Two audio recorded messages alongside sheets of paper titled "Thought Watching" by Gary Troup. Part of C.O. Correspondence.
Anyone interested?
-The Truth Tempest
As a follow up, a woman named Phyllis Tucker-Wicks wrote a book called "Bad Twin" in 1990. Phyllis, a twin herself, is usually attributed with spiritual writing, and after successes such as The Da Vinci Code, her books about Biblical figures have become even more popular.
Perhaps there is something there.
Regardless, my previous references to Gary Troup's audio tapes really intrigues me the most. How about you?
-The Truth Tempest
Sarah,
You said in another comments section "When you guys view the MFI map, and enter in the numbers do pictures randomly flash on the screen? I was just messing around with it, again, and it was very unexpected and scared the hell outta me lol "
then "I have screenshots of it if anyone wants to see =p"
then "Sent the pics..should get them soon..
If not I put them on my msn space:
http://spaces.msn.com/musicalnightmare/photos/
I filled in areas of the pics with black..fyi
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I replied "Those pictures from the map are interesting. I thought I had seen something like what they were showing before. See here. Although there are similarities it doesn't look the same. This image came from the site talking about the gematrian circle. Maybe some other image exists which more closely matches the ones you see. I do think that it means something imho. I wonder if it has anything to do with the work being done by some of you guys placing the 3 gematrian circles on the map that interlink in Algeria. Keep up the good work."
Maybe onto something?
loden,
Nice work on getting the text under the xxxx's.
line1: agent for the preservation of
line 9: experimentation and organ har-
line 10: Hanso starting wars the devel-
I noticed this wasn't being followed up. Any other things to be found there? And no, miracle is definitely not there for me. It is the first time the site hasn't worked as planned for me. I guess like other people have found it will probably sort itself.
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M2Saint-TheTruthTempest:
I have heard it being said a while before now that a few other eople have found that when a page is loading it comes up with the numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42. Some have suggested that the numbers are a deliberate plant and the reason why you only see them some times is maybe because the site is busy and so you have time to see the numbers flash up. Not sure about the having to click on 100% to get in though.
The background activity I believe is because the Jacob Venderfield and Lawrence Peck parts have been "cracked". If you go to Liddy Wales and Dick Cheever the background isn't cracked. I'm sure that is why.
Thanks for the info though.
And great find on the Gary Troupe info. I wonder if this is important.
nightmaremommie:
This "Persephone" voice - hasen't it come up in other clues also? I presume it is the same voice. And I can only assume it is Persephones voice. Has this been proven? I guess it is probably not important but someone may disagree.
Greetings All! It seems I have missed...well, nothing other than being invited or asked or whatever to go off and be in a separate think tank. Which I think is a fantastic idea as long as there is a main blog or place that we can all comunicate. I would hate to lose the great sense of Community that exisist here. And I want to give major props to the guys running this site, great job! Ok, I was sucking up a little, but you get the idea.
What company would not want to divert attention away from itself? I believe that these events may have happened in real life with a view things changed as part of artistic license...
Peace & Namaste
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My issue with getting into the miracle link on the WWPDP page is gone now. Not sure why but I will finally stop complaining about it.
And ooh. An interesting point on the persephone page. In for a fun night? :)
beachy broad:
I had this problem with the miracle link but as I just posted it has now resolved itself.
Following these instructions should also resolve the problem.
First make sure that Windows is set to show hidden files and folders.
Then go to C:\Documents and Settings\(your user name)\Application Data\Macromedia\Flash Player\#SharedObjects\9NY7EM7P and delete the folder www.thehansofoundation.org.
When you next go to the Hanso site it will be as if you had never been there before.
Hope this helps.
And Sarah, I thought it funny when you said you saw two shops side by side with the lost experience links. Spooky you can see it from your appartment. lol
Over the weekend my local cable company had a show on during the late morning it was Namaste TV, TV for the american Asian community. I dropped on real quick Sat. morning and gave out the link, below, has anyone found anythign interesting on it?
www.namastetv.com
Peace & Namaste
jmanii:
On the first picture meaning nothing yet.
I think Matt has found something with the first pic filename.
Here is what he said in the comments from clue46 (along with a lot of other interesting stuff.
"This is what the file names of the two Faceless Men have been hinting at, because t9agen56 (Faceless Man #2) is a code-speak for "tangents," and q9als2002 (faceless man #1) = 17*9*1*12*19*2002, because q=17, a=1, l=12, and s=19.
17*9*1*12*19*2002 = 69837768
tan 69837768 = -3.0776835371...
Which is a LOST number, the same as the tangent of 108"
I think that this is more than coincidence unless people start finding a load of meaningless random words and their tans happen to come to mostly all seem to come to 3.0776 (or even 0.7265 or 0). I haven't tried a load of random meaningless words but I doubt it. I think this was deliberate of the filename of the first pic. imho
Still, I know it's not like we have solved it yet I don't think so your gripe is still valid. Just pointing out the finding)
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It took me about 10 attempts to post that last message. Must be you guys from the US all logging in. It has been so quiet all day.
I had started preparing a list of things that need investigating. I would'nt say it was finished but enough for it to be worth posting I think.
Headings:
-GARY TROUPE
-BAD TWIN
-HANSO WEBSITE WHICH WOULD SUBDIVIDE INTO OTHER SECTIONS FROM THE SITE
(INCLUDING PERSEPHONE..., HOLE2... AND HOLE3..., JOOP HIDDEN LINK, MHA INQUIRE TODAY, WHERE OFFICIAL CLUES HAVE LED TO NEW SECTIONS ON THE SITE - ANYTHING THAT IS STILL OPEN FOR DEBATE WOULD HAVE IT'S OWN CATEGORIES,
-OTHER WEBSITES NOT PROVEN TO BE NOT IN-GAME EG http://www.familytrack.net/listing.html
-GEMATRIA AND THE LINK
-THE LINKS BETWEEN THF AND LOST SERIES EG MARVIN CANDLE, ORIENTATION VIDEO, BLAST DOOR MAP ETC.
-SUBLYMONAL
-DJDAN AND CLUES FROM PODCAST INC DJDAVE
-SAVEJOOP.COM
-MONSTER.COM CAREERS SITE
-ANY INVOLVEMENT IN GETTING IN TOUCH WITH HANSO AND TRYING TO ASCERTAIN THERE POSITION IN THE REAL WORLD
-MYTHOLOGICAL LINKS, CHEMISTRY/PHYSICS (SCIENTIFIC) LINKS, MATHEMATICAL LINKS ETC TO THE HANSO FOUNDATION
AND PLENTY MORE I AM SURE.
Let me know what you think please and what may be missing from the list. Thanks
thrasher76
I had a look at namastetv.com. It seemed like a legitimate site to me. Namaste has a meaning (not sure how many) and so it would likely come up in different places. See here for a meaning. I may be wrong about the site though but I checked it out pretty thoroughly. The background sound is quite cool.
Sarah,
I think the pictures on the different screens are different each time you log in and they even throw in a few more once in a while. I think probably nothing but maybe worth keeping an eye on. I didn't see tayna or similar though.
wizardry_eas: Thanks for the list. I posted last night that we need an up-to-date list of unsolved clues/unused text boxes/mysteries/coincidences/etc. that we all can refer to.
I would add: There's a number of unused logins and text boxes that need passwords on THF. Also, we need to work on finding out more about the Valenzetti Equation.
This is a great start. Maybe the Administrator can post this list and keep it up-to-date so we all can keep track of what needs to be worked on.
Ok, I wasn't sure, I had only few minutes to log in and post, summer is great and hopefully they don't put many clues out over the weekends!!
Peace & Namaste!
ihearttoast,
I am not sure we really do have much in the way of unused passwords. missing organs I feel is more of a clue on what the company are up to. save me I think meant to save the picture as it was going to be replaced (or possibly someone wanting save but I tend to believe the other). stand by seens to me to be just that. Something will appear when persephone is ready. Can't wait although no doubt it will be solved within the hour then back to investigating loose ties again.
I think that if many of the other words that have come up were passwords then there would have been a use for them at the time. All imho of course.
This is off the wall and just a strange thought.
What if ABC was owned by The Hanso Foundation? They seemed to buy that paper really quick!!!
Peace & Namaste
Yes, it's taking very long to log-on and to post.
More updates on my list if you are interested:
-VALENZETTI EQUATION (thanks maven1908)
-WHY DO HANSO USE NAMASTE (ANY RELEVANCE TO ANYTHING)
-D20 (ANY RELEVANCE)
hanso site specifics
-PERSEPHONE (NEEDS A SECTION OF HER OWN)
-HOLE2 AND HOLE 3 PICTURES
-HIDDEN TEXT BOXES EG JOOP PAGE, INQUIRE TODAY ON MHA, MAIN THF LOGIN AND OTHERS?
-MAP ON MFI PAGE (INC LINKS TO TANGENTS AND GEMATRIAN NUMBERS)
-WWPBP ARTICLES (NEW CLUE)
-OLDER CLUES THAT CAME UP THROUGH ENTERING PASSWORDS ETC EG BIOS PAGES ETC
-OTHER ANOMOLIES FROM THE SITE EG BUTTON IN BOTTOM LEFT (IM SURE THIS IS NOTHING)
-EACH OF THE DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES OF HANSO EG PETER THOMPSON, DR THOMAS MITTELWERK ETC
AND AGAIN, I AM SURE THERE ARE MORE.
All help is more than welcome.
btw I son't mean to shout but I am copying and pasting from the list I am compiling which is in CAPS.
come ON persephone, we're WAITING!!!
!-- standby--
I just remembered it is the date 6/6/6 tomorrow.
bell0fdesire:
I agree that it will be worth doing more here as it seems too important not too. I will look forward to your posts. I missed your insights over the weekend.
Sarah,
I think obey is refering to Sprite advertising slogan "obey your thirst". The words appear and link you to sublymonal between hh:15 and hh:16 AND then again between hh:42 and hh:43. Lost numbers. IU think it is more fun than anything important to the game.
yea, they have nothing to do with each other, i know for a fact. but way to keep your eyes open sarah.
iheartpudding
That site has come up before. I do not know how it was found or what came of it. Is it important?
Has anyone seen the new Sublymonal Commercials on TV? Saw one with a Sprite drip into the mans mouth, then it gets bumped and hits his eye patch, he removes the eye patch and instead of an eye he has another mouth. Not really game related but it states along the bottom that the commercial is DVR ready, how does that play into it?
Who knows, but I am getting my DVR tomorrow...
Peace & Namaste
I think that the think tank idea is not meant to single people out per se, if you feel that you have a good grasp of a subject then by all means jump in. Someone early had mentioned, I think it was Aaron that his 8 year old will figure things out sometimes when he is stumped. That happens because we sometimes over think things...
Peace & Namaste
Still in -StandBy- mode
Wendyzski---
E-mail thelostexperience101@gmail.com to help with newbies. I know they're starting something up over there. They posted something a couple days ago or something.
Over think?
In this game?
Over think?
Really?
(the above is actually an anagram for the next clue!)
jk
My list of unanswered stuff is getting bigger. My intention is to keep adding to it as and when I find things. Any help is appreciated. I will mention it if you say something that I put in of course.
Anyone think something wacky's gonna happen tomorrow on 6/6/6? Personally those numbers freak me out PERIOD but with the OMEN opening and Ann Coulter's new book coming out then and the LOST EXPERIENCE going on....
Alright, now I've talked myself INTO hoping something kick-ass is gonna happen tomorrow!
perhaps that sublymonal commercial is game related. . . maybe DVR ready is the clue to re-watch that commercial with your DVR so you can still frame it and find something hidden. Like an easter egg. I don't what in the world 'DVR Ready' would mean otherwise. Isn't ALL television DVR ready? I have one, so I'll watch for the commercial and go to town.
Does anyone think this looks like our blast door map?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/ff/Kircherearthfires.jpg/250px-Kircherearthfires.jpg
Peace & Namaste
Here are my most recent entries:
Hanso site people
-PETER THOMPSON
-ALVAR HANSO
-DR. THOMAS MITTELWERK
-HUGH MCINTYRE
-JACOB VANDERFIELD
-LIDDY WALES
-LAWRENCE PECK
-DICK CHEEVER
-MHA APPEAL GUY THAT KEEPS POPPING UP
-AND OF COURSE -PERSEPHONE
'Who is she? What are her real motives? Is there more than one hacker? Is that a real name? Is she Penelope?
Also:
-Marvin Candle (is he really that shredder guy or just a look-a-like?) If it was it would seem to rubbish the idea that the Orientation video was done in 1975
Oh and Joop as well.
thrasher,
I think the symmetry does look similar. What the heck is that?
Thrasher:
On the surface it looks like the blast door map but I found it hard to compare the smaller detail. Maybe its just me. What is it anyway?
JmanII - Good observation. Marvin Candle could well have had some kind of regrowth gene therapy on his missing arm. Perhaps the missing organs are part of organ regrowth experiments and are tied into the island because of it's healing effect.
I also thought, the next orientation video we see in the show should have him call himself "Max Wax". :)
The idea of Marvin Candle/Wickman being alive and well(?) is very intriguing. He's a mysterious icon in the show; representing all that is Dharma and Hanso. His possible appearance in the flash programs would be cool.... as it would ALSO be a connection to the ISLAND and therefore the SHOW.
BTW, In Mission: Impossible: 3, there's a Doctor Wickman or Wickham or Wick-something. The movie version of Marshall talks about how Wickman discussed the ANTI-GOD or what they talk about as the Rabbit's Foot later in the film.
I know JJ Abrams had a Mission Impossible 3 plot point appear in Alias (bomb in the head) so it wouldn't be far fetched if he was to have one in LOST.
Not that JJ's been super-involved in this season of Alias OR Lost.
New entries
-WIDMORE GROUP (MENTIONED IN INITIAL PHONE CONVERATION AND BAD TWIN) (Thanks javy)
-PAIK HEAVY INDUSTRIES (MENTIONED IN INITIAL PHONE CALL) (Thanks again javy)
Thank you. Hopefully by going through all this I will make some kind of tangible sense of it all. (One can hope).
It is a map of the Earths Internal Fires, the author, Athanasious Kircher was a 17th century German Jesuit Scholar. He had some pretty interesting thoughts and beleifs, some involving electromagnetism and the extension of life through quarantine, he was also into Hieroglphics...something I stumbled upon a few weeks ago...one of the things that really interested me, with the impending researcher thing I figured I would get those juices flowing again...
Peace & Namaste
Isn't one of the board members a Jesuit Scholar? This Kircher guy is like a 17th century Hanso foundation, too bad they debunked many of his claims...
Peace & Namaste
so perhaps the Degroots agreed with Kircher's teaching/ideas. . .
Sorry if this is already known.
Was www.paikheavyindustry.com found to be real or fake or don't know? It has hidden text in the page.
I am not sure, that is a big leap to take, Chase. But I think that the producers have done their homework and have pulled things from many areas and put them together to bring us to this point...I feel like I am 2 years behind one of their researchers...
www.namastetv.com just for fun!
Peace & Namaste
It is not completey confirmed Wiz, but it was mentioned in one of the phone calls involving PThompson...I think...
good point and I know how you feel.
Thrasher76:
The company was but I don't think the website was mentioned. If you go to www.paikheavyindustries.com it redirects you to the www.paikheavyindustry.com (indusrty instead of industries). I am just going through all this stuff for my unanswered stuff. I have a work in progress section where I put things that are not proven to be in-game as I do not want the main section to be full of not in-game stuff.
The letters from Paik Heavy if anyone is interesed are:
PHI
OP: hold
SLP: continue
ZP: continue
최후
thrasher
we discussed that a wile ago, under one of the earlier comments, or maybe that was on a board about the show...
anyway,
i've heard that comparison before, but i don't think there's enough evidece to link the two and/or the teachings of the authors.
javi:
that's the predominant opinion
I know we're all bored here for the most part. . .so I couldn't help myself.
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2007/churchsign7lw.jpg
Just for fun.
Richard,
Neither do I just something for me to explore...
Wiz, I think you might want to have an 'on the fence' category...
I guess we won't hear anything from Pers until closer to 5, that is when she seems to send things out...
Just found an interesting tidbit:
Here there be dragons refers to the way they used to indicate unexplored areas on early maps.
And... uh, the speaker freaks me out.
really hating the time difference, wake up and thing I am the first to find Persephone is telling us to standby ~*pthhhh*~ sure, the Ninja gets the books out to a few people, but this game is mostly geared for the US I think. Ah well
as for the date of 06/06/06, I notice wizard mentioned it. The Lost Ninja made reference to it to, and the world ending... so could be a big day.
Chase,
Nice!! I did that one time as well. I want a Namaste shirt!!
My friends think I am geek already for being into this like I am...LOL
Peace & Namaste
Thrasher76
I feel the "on the fence" section will be what I can't remove from the work in progress section.
k.c.farmer.
Interesting maybe. Do you mean it is a terminology, used before The Lost Experience, used to indicate unexplored areas on early maps?
I have given blast door map a section of its own. It can be seen here. There is so much written on that thing. I feel it has been a way for the various people who have been assigned these tasks within the stations (and the swan one in particular) to try and figure out just who they are working for and why. It is done invisibly like that so that Hanso/Dharma bosses will not be able to find it and see that their employees/test subjects are rebelling/getting suspicious. It is as though those who worked at the station were embarking on a mystery solving expedition and this is how they logged it.
Just some thoughts but I bet there are other things on the map that come up later in the game.
Bear in mind you can also right-click on the map and zoom in to read all the text.
javy, ah but time Christmas Eve and what time where? If it's 11:59pm in say Samoa (they're still on the Eastern side of the dateline yes? I think I remember hearing a few islands got the line moved a few years back) then most places will have had at least some of Christmas Day, most importantly Australia :P
spelling corrections from last post "thinking" instead of "thing", "too" instead of "to" and now that I have completely caught up wizard wasn't the only one to notice the date.
When I said above "it can be seen here" I was refering to the blast door map and not the section I am doing. Just in case there was any confusion.
And yes. Around about five o clock for persephones clue to develop. Thats 11pm here in UK and I always have to end up leaving the discussion. Boo.
Oh well. Sorry to moan.
Wiz:
I am with you on the clue, it always comes around 5, I get to do some work on it then I go home, about an hours commute and then I get home and it is solved...but I mostly theorize anyway...it would be nice to solve a clue myself one day...but I love working with such a diverse group of people...
Peace & Namaste
Photoshop and translators at the ready. lol
Something had better happen tonight after this build up.
are you talking about 5:00pm Eastern or Central Time?
I'm Pacific.
richard:
We are talking in half an hour from now. It is just a general thing. A pattern that seems to have emerged. It is not set in stone.
I love the build up...it is great...hey, since we have no show to look forward to until fall...
I just checked and I guess we are still in -standyby-
Peas & Carrots!!
I just noticed it is around this time frame, EST. mainly because it happens right before I leave from work at 6 pm. Maybe we are being watched and Pers is not going to give it up until later...
Actually, I was assuming thrasher meant 5pm as it states in THIS blog. If thrashers time is not 5pm THIS blog then it would be off a bit. I can't remember exactly when it seems to happen I just remember it is late for me. Can you confirm how many hours ahead/before THIS blog time you are please?
dum de dum dum dum....
*taps fingers*
*yawn*
*scratch butt*
*whistles M.A.S.H. theme song*
if it's 5pm by the blog time then I will miss about an hour too taking daughter to school (we walk)!
wow...took me 40 minutes to catch up from last night! Just got home from work...Glad to see yall...
Since Persephone is taking her time...I'm still working on the xxx'd out text from the microfiche. Did anyone notice my post last night that the text is disjointed? The end of one line doesn't pick up on the next line. I'm looking for possible places the text could be copied from as a possible clue. I'm just glad to have contributed something.
As you can probably tell, I'm in the south...cst
Richard:
"Suicide is Painless"
Sorry, this blog is one hour behind where I am located, I am near Philadelphia PA...hope that helps, sorry to stir the pot...I am off for my hour commute home...talk with you all later...good like standing by...
Peace & Namaste
grammar correction - - - luck not like, so good luck tonight gang!
CT
666 comes up in the description of gematrian numbers. Relatively loosely but it is possible that that creators have chosen to follow this loose sense. Just another reason to suspect that something will happen tomorrow in the game. Maybe not though. Who knows?
I've been looking closely at the blast door map of late. I have a flowchart I printed and look at before bed (well I don't have a book to read at the moment). Some things are more obvious then others and I think I'm starting to make sense of a lot of it. Most of my theories about it relate to the show rather then the game. Because of the US/UK series gap I don't think the blast door will be heavily involved in the game until the UK has caught up. Damn C4 for being so slow to show the series, you know the bought the rights way back after the 4th or 5th episode and just sat on it for nearly a year before showing it. They had to fit it in between all the reality shows.
*SHOW SPOILER*
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I'm pretty sure the road to other way of travel refers to the Others exit point from the island where they sent Micheal and Walt. Which makes me think there base of operations is the mystery station near that point with the mountanous terrain and the excessive amount of Dharmatel relays (the whispers?). This was the most obvious stuff to me though so I imagine anyone that spent time looking at the map has thought similar already. I'll tell you the rest when I have the map in front of me (it's in a bag somewhere now).
If thrasher is an hour behind this blog time then it means that his "just before 6" (say 5.30pm) will not happen until 6.30pm THIS blog time. Dang. Another hour and a half; and even then, who knows.
I like that fenris. Extrapolating info from the map. I will keep an eye peeled on what you have found.
I know i'm probably stating the obvious, but it seems that one of the primary themes from the show and now the game (to an extent) is good vs. bad, faith vs. science, etc.
re: Gematrian
Wizardry posted: "Found from another site: Quote "Just in case gematria is new to you, I'll briefly explain. All the letters of the Greek and Hebrew alphabets have numbers assigned to them (unlike English). Gematria is "working" those letter-numbers in words and phrases. The totals obtained are then compared to - whatever. So when it says in greek, "Kurios Iesous Xristos", the numbers of all the letters total 3168 [see below]. This number is immutable."
the tangent of 3168 is -3.077xxxxx. The greek phrase translates to "Lord" something "Christ"
didn't someone say the Speaker refereced 666? Tangent of 666 is 1.37xxxx
Can we conclude that Tangent -3.077xxx is "good" and tangent 1.37xxx is "bad"?
Am I stretching too much?
I can but I'm not sure how to post it. I'll play around with it while someone tells me how to post the results.
yes Loden, that seems to be stretching too much...
btw, lesous is not a greek word. not one that i know anyway, but you're right LODEN, kurious = Lord, sir, master and Xristos = Christ, messiah, annointed one, etc...
hmmmmmmmmmmm.
Thanks richard...just thinking "out loud" can you tell I'm bored waiting on P?
jmanii: I thought you meant the wheel over the blast door map. If anyone wants to see - it I have it. I just don't know where to post it. As you can probably tell, I'm a blogger noobie.
I'm behind! my refresh is happening so SLOW!
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