Clue #47 - Persephone (15) Miracle, Heavy Water / Plus more DJDan & Jeep Stuff
PERSEPHONE CLUE: There was an update this afternoon in the WWPDP section of thehansofoundation.org. Go there and click on the Press Release in the WWPDP section. Find and click the world "miracle" to bring up a text box requiring a password. The password is "heavy water". Heavy Water was deduced from "D20" which was found hidden under the right eye within the latest picture posted at hole3.thehansofoundation.org. D2O is referencing deuterium oxide, which is more commonly (used very loosely) known as "heavy water".
Talk about missing organs! Read the article and listen to the audio...look closely...lots of interesting stuff.
If you're having trouble with the password, try entering the site by clicking HERE.
THIS is an intersting screen cap? See the message and the person?
*Couldn't tell who definitively deserves credit for this. I've heard "EVIL" is the one who gets the props. Everyone seemed to be working like mad. Check out "EVIL" and the rest of the superstars in the comments!
Sorry to put 2 "Clues" in one but that's how it worked out...
DJDAN CLUE: Go to DJ Dan's website and click on the "6/01" in the Podcast section. This takes you back to the Compass site (from Clue #34). Click on 108 degrees position just outside the compass. It opens the same USR Directory as before. Scroll down and click the "owelles" folder and then click "tel_soul.mov" (sellout)
DJDan's podcast is in YOUTUBE . Great. Jeep advertisements...
198 Comments:
Go to the OWelles folder
after watching the youtube video I want nothing more than to log on to monster.com while in my new jeep compass drinking sprite. I'd also like that sack o cash too. :)
Try "Sell Out" for the password.
Can someone please put the DJ Dan podcast somewhere else, I can't view it, at least not at work...
Peace & Namaste
Westendgirl29, I don't mean to be a nitpicky jerk here, but it's 2007 Jeep Compass-- B00G is 2007, the "G" is the 7th letter. Not that it makes a difference in any way. I think.
What is the relavance of the Jeep site? This is driving me nuts!! Thanks to the shout out, again, it has re-energized me in this game. After a long weekend away I was a bit disinterested in it, but not anymore.
Peace & Namaste
Hey thrasher...can you see blogs from myspace? I posted it there.
http://blog.myspace.com/lenaw70
Could the password be related to the file Owelles? Why not try War of the Worlds or something like that?
The RSS feed says this:
Will global changes in weather cause population centers to shift? Where are new diseases likely to emerge? Which species need protection now before they begin to decline? The Mathematical Forecasting Initiative uses cutting-edge theory to anticipate the twists and turns of humanity’s story.
The MFI is being referenced here on a clue for the WWPDP. I tried the number from the compass, the one that is on all the Dharma food in the show. No luck there, either, darn it.
Well, the text area under Joop's Corner hasn't been used yet either. Future?
Lena, yes and thank you!!
If my emploeyers only knew!
LOL thrasher Y/W
What are the answers to the whited out words in the description of the MFI? could those answers help us go further down the rabbit hole?
Reeses Peices and Namaste, yum!
I can't spell.
Reeses Pieces and Namaste
Perhaps Hanso has hired someone to feed us clues to throw us off track, since we will never beleive them or what they say in public, why not have a copy cat Pers feed us wrong clues?
Piece of Pizza & Namaste
Can I be a pain in the tush one more time and point out that the stsebastian website (after logging into the shared files) AUTOMATICLY directs you to the WWPDP...just thought it was odd that they knew that was gonna be something way before this.
the password has to be in the djdan podcast - it's timed perfectly for it. has anyone been able to get pics of all the images flashed throughout it?
Here's something interesting. On the MFI map, why does the music change and all the static start only after you click Saudi Arabia?
It's one of the ones with a needle and says HIV/AIDS N/A Death rate 2.58/1000
Sorry the pizza is all gone!
I like the Illuminati reference, it may have relavence since it is also on Dans site....
Tums & Namaste
Don't know if this matters or has been mentioned, but Makerere Hospital is in Uganda not Gambia.
Still plenty of spaghetti left here on my plate, though. Had to venture into the jungle and find food and water...
A couple new items that popped up on the DJ Dan podcast on YOUTUBE.
1. at around 00:25 a painting of a woman is shown. Does anyone know the name of the picture or the painter?
2. Beginning around 1:42 and appearing repeatedly is an overhead shot of a facility. Not sure what this is supposed to be.
The rest of the images appear to have already been covered. Sell Out would appear to be a password for something, but what?
Illuminati translates to enlightened ones in Latin, which we have in the past on the blast door map. Or the ideals of the Illuminati, better known today as Freemasons are at work here? Seems to vague for me...
matt the pale: Want to enlighten the rest of us? Maybe we can help. :)
The painting is Persephona by Dante Rosetti, a pre-Raphaelite painting. It references Persephone from Greek mythology. She was the daughter of Ceres/Demeter, the goddess of the harvest, and the wife of Hades, after he tricked her into eating some pomegrante seeds while she was hanging out in the Underworld. She spends half the year in the Underworld--winter, when her mother won't let things grown--and half the year on Earth, spring and summer, when things grow.
The painting is hanging in the Tate Gallery in London.
Also in the DJDan video there is a VERY brief shot showing a screenshot of LOSTpedia on the letyourcompassguideyou.com subject...weird...
If the painting is of Eve then...the story of Eve is disputed to be part of Sumarian Mythology, it dates further back then the well known account of Eve..anyway...The story has some someinteresting points in it regarding the Underworld and a goddess much like Persephone....hmmm
Peace & Namaste
Dante Gabriel Rossetti is the painting.
http://www.rossettiarchive.org/
GRRRR, I meant painter. Cripes, why do I keep typing painting instead of painting.
We certainly are going down a lot of roads here...hopefully one will lead us to the key to this password...
Axelsoar & Lostboy - that symbol also is one for the Free Masons. A secret society in America.
Excellent work once again guys...now if I can just figure out these little buttons...
Well done Evil!!
That was creepy!!
Doing it again now!
Peace & Namaste
wow wow wow
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http://sellout.djdan.am/
Leads to the Hanso Foundation....
mind you so does http://fish.djdan.am/
Nevermind. Still, odd.
FWIW, Vialex doesn't appear to be a real drug, so it may be a clue.
As Aaron pointed out, on the bottom right slide, there's a hidden message that reads "Persephone, if you can read this, I know who you are!" with a yellow figure appearing. You may have to look at one or more of the three slides with newspaper pages on them.
Did anyone notice the ERI logo on the slide with Hanso's photo? And the "chest x-ray of infected lungs" on one of the slides on one of the others? They circled the red part area. Future? And is that an ABC logo in the panel next to Hanso's photo?
Damn, I can't get heavy water to work. :( I've tried different site addresses for Hanso, possibly you may have to be on the main one. Problem being the internet cache thing with that, I can't even get the box up. Variations of the address get me the box but won't accept the password. Damn NTL. I'm also really struggling to get the whole of the DJ Dan broadcast.
Am I stupid? I can see the reader, and I can scroll two screens to the right and three screens down, but I can't access the smaller images. What am I doing wrong? And where is the hidden text, exactly? Sorry to be dense.
The page with Alvar's picture is the one with the ERI logo on it and you can plainly see that it says "experimentation and organ har-" and then "Hanso is starting wars the devel-" Of course we knew about the war business, but here it is with the ERI logo.
maybe you can move the "xxxxxxxxxxx's" on the page with alva's picture away in adobe pro. that way you would be able to read whats underneath. Does anyone know how to do this.
can someone with the fancy software figure out what it says on this page? (the one with alvar's photo) http://flickr.com/photos/99477750@N00/158175584/
it looks like a yellow alien
once you center in on it, it lights up, when you click on it, it dims
Hoopleton: You may be onto something. I mentioned earlier that on the MFI map the music stops and the static begins when you click the needle for Saudi Arabia, which has the gulf on one side.
where are you getting Vmessage7 from?
Hoop: I think so too, but hanged if I can figure it out yet!
Part of the X'ed out page reads: "They told us our son died on the operating table, remarked on of the victims parents on condition of anonyimity. To ???? ???? kept alive by artificial means his organs taken away, is a nightmare it’s hell on earth"
Same as the hacked page mentioned earlier.
I've been wondering that since I first noticed it and then there was the flurry of activity and I blew it off. Bad me.
It DOES say that HIV/AIDS is N/A
oops. And when the "miracle" stuff started I thought maybe they'd found a cure or something....???
Nash and Hoop: Maybe. The text area under Joop's Corner doesn't do anything yet and we waited how long for miracle to be active. Maybe it's click for another day. Just one more thing to keep track of and remember for later in the summer.
So it is, Evil. You're absolutely right.
Belly: That's interesting. It only gets weird AFTER I click Saudi. It's fine and plays actual music until then. After it's all static and that horrible humming noise. =oP
Did you guys noticed that "heavy water" is write on blastdoormap ?
I keep on forgetting that this isn't a show forum, and the breed of nerd here is different than those on the plot-related forums.
I woulda pointed this connection out sooner, had I thought of it.
hoopleton, doesn't work I'm afriad. The problem seems to be my ISPs cache. Any site falling under http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ is limited by their remote update. I've had to put in various names instead of the www for a while to get new clues up, but this clue it seems doesn't work if you substitute something else for the www. I cleared my internal cache but it didn't make any difference nor did switching to IE (from Firefox). I will check to see if there is a remote cache I can connect to somewhere, but otherwise I will have to wait until tommorow.
(by the way, sorry for the delay between posts, I was down the pub pursuing...um, other leads)
Anagram for Amy Honale (the doctor from the newspaper article photo): O Heal Many. One for Dr. Amy Honale: Heal Raymond!
Ok, those are probably both dumb, but I am sure her name is an anagram. Honale is just too weird of a last name.
Okay, on a previous thread, the issue of "vMessage" came up as it related to Peter Thompson (I think) and his e-mail footer.
There was no consensus formed, but I was finding hits on Google that related vMessage to things like vCard and PDA synchronization.
Now I have proof, finally. It has nothing to do with video, at least intrinsically.
Go here, then read in the middle column on the second page, under "IrMC Option Package."
I know it's a lot of work for a little point, but I don't want to see people go headlong down the wrong path with what vMessage does or does not mean.
belly0fdesire, your resume for Organ Donor Courier is HILARIOUS. At the very least you should get a cookie basket from THF. :)
Evil,
It could be the Canadian version: Anomaly, eh? :^)
Oh well, doesn't look like there is a way around it. NTL (My ISP here in the UK) automatically divert you to their local cache server which it seems updates slowly and as this only works from the www address I will just have to read everyones descriptions (which I've been trying to avoid so far) and join in from there then actually experience it for myself when they finally refresh it. I hate NTL so very much, but I have no choice of ISPs where I live (unless I pay £100 to get a BT phone line installed, which I'm not going to do).
Sorry OT rant over. I'll be back when I've caught up (which may be hours, lol).
Finally got the DJ Dan podcast though. Nothing interesting from Dan but it has made me think he's been compromised or maybe *he* is working for a Hanso competitor.
So, do you think "missing organs" is still a password somewhere? Likely it will be, but it sure seems like it should have been the password for "miracle" now that we know for sure about the organ harvesting bit. What does heavy water have to do with that? And who would have ever thought that we'd get more use out of the blast door map than John Locke?!?
"Maybe we should reference the blast door when we need passwords in the future"
That was exactly what I was thinking after the clues podcast. Just as they were saying about the show not being linked to the game I was recalling that we'd had a previous hint that was written on the blast door map. Is this sychronisity or what?
I think it's worth checking through the map and maybe trying a few bits of it in various password boxes.
I was recalling that we'd had a previous hint that was written on the blast door map.
What was the first one?
DUH.
Dr. Amy Honale >> My Hole, Ana
Okay that doesn't work at all but HOLE could be something, ya?
oh, how about A MANY HOLE (a mouse has many holes)?
AMY HONALE = A HOLEY MAN
?
I love your resume Belly!! Fantastic!! It figures I have work to do today, so I am behind the fun!!
Peace & Namaste
Drom: I use Firefox and it worked just fine. I assume you cleared your cache? I couldn't see the MFI map link at all until it dawned on me that I needed to do that.
Jengod, first clue on the blastdoor was what Persephone said about a mouse having more then one hole, it is in the latin on the Blast Door.
Anyone make out what it says above the Dharma Logo flashes in the DJDan podcast? I don't know if I'm just being dense and it's something obvious, but I can't make it out. Just blurry red letters.
My brain hurts.
This must be why they REALLY went with the name "LOST"...they KNEW we would get TOTALLY LOST!!
Belly: you truly have done more than enough today!! But please don't stop!! LOL I am limited in what I can do here at work. While at home I can do much more. But it seems like I am always here...damn the Man and his money...now I sound like DJ Dan...Shutdown!! The game has taken on a new life for me today, thanks everyone!! It also helps to get props on the podcast!! I feel famous, not!!
If anything comes of your resume being on the site, I will send mine, I think I would be a good organ courier!! Who messes with a guy named Thrasher? Carrying organs no less!!!
Peace & Namaste
Accept my apology ahead of time. Has THIS ARTICLE been posted yet? Interesting use of the word "vangard" and discussion of life extension related to D20. Once again, sorry if it's alreay been discussed...I'm crunched and couldn't read through all the posts.
Just enough to pray that belly0desire gets the Hanso position b/c after today he is most certainly getting fired from current job.
Admin: What is the web address for that article, it is blocked from my work PC, I want to copy the link and email it home?
Peace & Namaste
Thanks NightmareMommie!!
Read the bottom...where it says
"Vangard Update 06/23/91"
Basically, these guys are soliciting funding for research based on the idea that if D20 is extracted from a living organism a certain way, the organism will rejuvenated in a controlled way such that it may reverse aging back to say age 20.
To me this seems very pertinent to what we are hearing about the Hanso Foundation's research efforts and...dare I say...no...I won't say it...
I can hear Joop screaming now, "Don't take my D20!"
I'm calling the savejoop.com guys right now and telling them I've got an idea for their next t-shirt.
Belly0Desire,
HERE IS THE ARTICLE ABOUT D20 Hope this one works for you.
I have scanned over as much as I can of the events of the last 24hrs but it was just too much. I have to go to bed.
Here is what I didn't see but wanted to mention. Sorry if it has been brought up before.
The picture of the doctor on the press release page looks VERY MUCH LIKE Captain Jonathon Archer of the Enterprise in "Enterprise". Am I wrong?
The picture with persephone's hidden message that came up on the podcast was the same as one of the images in a previous clue. See here. It is the third image down.
The anagram of the mouth piece in one of the Dharma logo image found in the DJDAN podcast(thanks very much for that post of images bell0fdesire) is OCHE ME UETP HIT. Does this mean anything?
Has anyone tried looking up the ares that have been exposed on maps using Google Earth? Always thought it might be useful for something one day. :)
Did we ever solve the mysteries with the numbers on the map? Someone or more said they were close to finding a solution.
I will catch up more thoroughly tomorrow (or maybe Saturday - crap!) and will try to fit in again as so much has gone on. So much to analyse.
has anyone else noticed that throughout that heavy water article there are hyperlinks to itself on some fullstops (periods)? Curious.
Oh, and I forgot. The swf file on the SaveJoop site is named vmessage something. Important?
My hubby pointed out something funny.
Do you know that rap artist Eminem? He had a band called D12...well he thought that would sound cool for "Joop and the D20 band"!! LOL
(if I sound drunk, its because my brain is numb! LOL)
I just wonder if the Hugh Mcintyre (or Peter Thompson; I can't remember which) clue of "v-message 7" at the end of the document in one of the clues, and the Hugh Mcintye interview, and the not wanting to answer questions about being affiliated with ABC are all pointing to that site for clues.
Or possibly the creators of SaveJoop have been following the game and have deliberately planted the vmessage swf file and the hesitance at the end of the podcast. The fact that it waa a DJDan podcast makes me think that things are pointing to that site as well.
Goodnight.
Just one last post.
This is the same person as Captain Jonathon Archer from StarTrek "Enterprise" isn't it?
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wizardry_eas/archer.jpg
It is the pic from the doctor on the press release page.
Sorry if I'm wrong but I am sure it is and want someone to confirm or tell me otherwise.
Lena: I thought the SAME THING... hahah maybe both of our brains are numb from playing this game
My poor ol hubby is STILL working on that faceless man pic...I think he has lost it! LOL
(I still say its a trogan horse)
wizardry_eas said...
Just one last post.
This is the same person as Captain Jonathon Archer from StarTrek "Enterprise" isn't it?
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wizardry_eas/archer.jpg
It is the pic from the doctor on the press release page.
Nope...I did a google image search and they both have different hairlines, but they DO LOOK ALIKE!
For whomever was wondering what it says underneath the X's in the article with hanso's picture...
it says the exact same thing as the next page... on the left side it says "They told us our son died on the operating table," remarked one of the victims' parents on condition of anonymity. "To find him kept alive...etc" on the right hand side it's also the same text except a line in the middle is deleted and replaced with the text "Hanso is starting wars"
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k.barrick
how genius can ANY of us be when we're all obsessed with a game and a tv show :) heheh
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Hey Matt, Check out insidetheexperience... Someone may have figured out who Speaker is.
My best guess is that djDave is going to "spin" blame away from Hanso. Sorta like they have done before. They buy up DJDan and then he disappears. Replaced by DJDave.
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Wizardry....
Definitely NOT that Archer guy. He was also in the series Quantum Leap. He does not however make an appearance in the LOST Experience.
Matt, that's true. It's not going to help figure out clues. But it does help knowing how he gets his info... Every little bit of knowledge helps, in my opinion.
More stuff from the map.
ALGERIA is capitalized for some reason.
Opening and closing Saudia Arabia multiple times makes the screen go crazier.
Thanks for the responses. I removed the comments I put up to avoid confusion... Hopefully I can make more of a contribution in the future...
NOT CLUE RELATED - people interested in the whispers and the island should google the Gaia Theory. The trees, the stones, everything tells the story - literally.
ALSO NOT CLUE RELATED
nightmare - if you're really into it, you should check out these too
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin
I gleaned that name from one of Javi's podcasts on "Ask Javi".
WOOOHOOO!!!!
Found something on the map!!!!
If you expand the Iran icon, scroll slightly to its right. There is a hidden icon with some backwards text.
"She was an employee of the foundation"
Damn. Did someone mention this yesterday?
Am I too late? Are there other hidden icons?
Ran Namaste through anagram prog.
Came up with: EASTMAN (product tie-in?) and Eats man
aaron, the whole youtube site is like that right now, they're probally updateing the site
Matt the pale, youre icon looks good to me
Ihearttoast, for now I'd make a note of the names and letters in red, file them away with Sam Hicks and Bill Flood,something may come of them later in the game, or it could be nothing.
Looks like the newest clue when kaputz real quick. The miracle link connects to nothing again.
Seems odd. They don't usually cut off such things so quickly. At least not the Persephone messages. hm.
If anyone has a detailed explanation of what was in the message, thanks a lot!
dawn it took me a while to figure out the controls too. you click on them then turn them while still holding the mouse button down. Is that what you are having problems with?
Belly0fDesire, Antecedent, Matt the Pale, JD, K.Barrick, Wizardry, 'Team' Lena, and Deannacat...I think we should take our 'team' on the road and solve mysteries all over the world....we should at least come up with a name for ourselves...might make it easier for the Admins to give us shout outs...Just thinking out loud and I have yet to have my coffee....
Later, Legion of Lostites!
Peace & Namaste
All:
Just piling on to say that I, too, am impressed with the teamwork and civility here. Keep it up. Matt the Pale (LeBlanc, is that you Joey?) has been pulling a heavy sled this week -- I'm sure others will step up as the summer wears on. I'm one who can only pop in from time to time, so it's nice to be able to read through the notes and catch up on true clues and wild speculation. Well done.
(Thrasher, sounds like you need a psychedilic van and a Great Dane.)
Pieces that Don't Fit
I love all the wild speculation and ideas from "outside" the game that get brought in. But if you stick strictly to what has been provided "in game", it's interesting to look at what we know and what we don't.
We know that the top execs at Hanso are not who they seem. McIntyre an Thompson have been replced by "McIntyre" and "Thompson", and Hanso is missing. Mittelwerk, may be Mittelwerk, but he isn't really a doctor. The Board is an asylum for felons. All very weird.
We know that the "Projects" at Hanso are not what they purport to be. The WWWpdp is an international organ farm. The MFI is an intelligance network for geopolitical intrigue -- wars fill hospitals and increase organ harvests. There are at least two or three "projects" that Hanso doesn't talk about directly on their site -- Accelerated Remote Viewing, Educational Outreach Initiative (DjDan indicates this may be university funding for weapons research, and some other type of psychological or paranormal research in a picture in the last clue.
I think we also know that there is a group or project called Dharma, with which p3rseph1 is affiliated.
One piece that doesn't fit is "d2O" as a clue to organ farms. All of the other clues had something to do with where we were led -- "mouthpiece" for Hugh, inmate asylum for BoD ... so now why a chemistry/physics clue about uranium processing that leads us to African hospital crimes? As far as I have seen, nuclear energy is one of the few avenues for mischief in which Hanso has NOT been implicated. (Thompson's nuclear connection predates his Hanso gig.) I think deuterium is not played out yet.
Or maybe it's just leading us to a Dasani advert.
JD! Excellent idea! Anybody know how to successfully write a grant proposal? We can certainly qualify for a psychological experiment. Maybe even the Hanso Foundation would pony up. And we'd definately be interacting with the organization...
The MFI map also focused a bit on HIV/AIDS. Could this be targeting for certain populations that have more desirable organs, i.e. HIV/AIDS-free organs?
Educational Outreach is embedded in a lot of the activities, so I wouldn't say they don't mention it. It may have been an original project that branched off into different areas.
Life extension and organ transplantation would seem to have a logical connection. A longer life could lead to a greater need for organs, or perhaps their self-heralded life extension program isn't all it's cracked up to be.
The heavy water clue may have another meaning we don't quite comprehend yet. Plus, we still have the Sell Out clue from the DJ Dan podcast.
This is most likely a red herring, but...
The DJ Dan podcast took us through the owelles file at the letyourcompassguideyou.com site. On an earlier podcast DJ Dan mentions Orson Welles as being part of a cover up for a real alien invasion or incident.
This may be related to the "Sell Out" password. The D20 password was found on the hole3 page, so I think there is still a bit we are missing here. Perhaps Orson Welles is one of the clues to this. I'm guessing there is more to the images than what we've noticed so far.
"jengod said...
The painting is Persephona by Dante Rosetti, a pre-Raphaelite painting. It references Persephone from Greek mythology. She was the daughter of Ceres/Demeter, the goddess of the harvest, and the wife of Hades, after he tricked her into eating some pomegrante seeds while she was hanging out in the Underworld. She spends half the year in the Underworld--winter, when her mother won't let things grown--and half the year on Earth, spring and summer, when things grow."
WOW, nice info, Jengod! To see a larger image of our Persephone, go to: http://www.goodart.org/dgrpros.jpg
(The artist called her "Proserpine.")
That is a pomegranite in her hand, by the way. A fruit containing many, many seeds to be picked through. Sort of like this game, huh? LOL!
JD: I have one. The modified date is 5-22-06 @ 3:14:58 PM. Size is 11,920 KB with the on disk size reported at 12,228 KB. Different from yours.
Great comment, J7Chico, about the connection between "Magnetism, Organs, and Heavy Water."
This whole subject matter re: stolen organs is creeping me out big time!
CCs, I am going to buy a 2007 Jeep Compass minus mystery feature, paint tripy flowers on it, order a great dane with my verizon cell phone, look for shag carpet on Ebay, and then search for a new job on Ebay....Since we will all need jobs due to this game...and Aaron you can certainly come, I need coffee too...
Been having bad thunderstorms in the east causing massive server issues...
Not sure what my particular skills are but I work in the travel industry so I know geography well, as well as airline junk...majored in Business in college and over I just like strange things I guess...
Peace & Namaste
I guess I would qualify for the adminstrative assistant job at Hanso...have to send my resume...they better pay well!!
JD!!!!! Could you POST BOTH!!!!!!! (faceless man that is)
It appears that my hubby has the modified one!! He was JUST saying that today BTW...that what if they did the same thing to the old pic that they did to the new one!!
JD...GREAT CATCH!
It seems the server was hung up or something, not sure where it is located but there a lot of storms hitting the East from Ohio to Maine...Maybe Alvar has made a weather machine and is keeping us from communicating...
Peace & Namaste
Wow, I think Chico mailed it. D2O used for storing and preserving organs for transplant -- that's spot on.
directhit8468, let us know what you think about the Jeep documents. Those were casually dismissed as a business deal gone bad, but I think there's more to it than that. I understand that the person authorizing the purchase was not really Peter Thompson, but beyond that I'm stumped.
mailed = nailed, sorry
JD said...
Here are the two faceless guys I have:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a334/jr_dixon/lost%20faceless%20guy/q9als2002.gif
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a334/jr_dixon/lost%20faceless%20guy/q9als20022.gif
Those links dont work...looks like they are cut off, would you mind trying again?
Vialex is not a known drug, I asked my cousin who is a doctor and he never of heard of it, perhaps it is something else...and yes the servers have been up and down all day...
Belly, I always skip big words!! Nice blog, nice recap of St. sebastion site...
Kudos & Namaste
Hold on, got it to work, my bad! But it seems to be the same link twice!
Hey Matt:
Speaker just went off on a wild tangent in his reader mail column ... that can't be bad.
Speaker dropped a hint to hole 4?
Anyone?
Nice digging Sarah, it has been mentioned before, but nothing has really come of it yet...sorry...I like where your heads at though.....
Peace & Namaste
Has anyone noticed that the Joop message no longer works? I get at time out error.
Sorry if this has already been posted. I last checked it a couple of days ago and it worked fine.
WOW sara, thats really cool stuff!
I checked it out too and found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagua_%28concept%29
oops...my bad. I just realized I was on hole4.thehansofoundation.org...sorry everyone
The DJ Dan podcast link from the owelles folder has an actual name:
v=xLn4OXrri_A
Not sure whether this is assigned by YOUTUBE or a possible clue hidden in the name of the file.
Speaker also used some comments that seemed like they could possibly be clues:
One was "Get an Axe"
The second one that stood out was "Taming the Tangent."
Also, Speakers latest anagram came out to be MY BIRTHDAY IS JUNE 8. I'm wondering if Speakers' birthday really is June 8th and he's just being clever or could it be related to the DJ Dan podcast clues? He got really quiet as soon as the anagram was solved, and didn't respond in the way you'd think someone would respond to such a topic.
I may be reading more into this than what's there, but it looks as though we may not get answers until Monday.
lodan:
I got a time out too while trying to send Joop a message....
Speaking of Joop,here is something that has bothered me for a while now:
Sept 21, 2005 he turned 105
was harvested by brits in the early 1900's
DO SOME MATH HERE. Sorry, I know its off topic but Joop comments arent really being used.
Kc I agree, I noticed that he clamed up right away once it was solved. I guess that means I can take a break again this weekend...
Until Monday gang....
Peace & Namaste
I dont know where they got the Sept 21, 2005 birthday for Joop. How would they have done expariments on Joop WAY BACK THEN? Think about it. Hanso would NOT have been around then. If Joop was born in 1900, he would die naturally by 1970 AT THE VERY latest!!
Lena, noticed that he was harvested, and brought into captivity....hmmm, thanks for giving my mind something to ponder this weekend...
Party & Namaste!!
lena:
I've wondered the same thing about Joop. for the dates to work, he had to be <3 months old.
about hte time out...I was poking around on hole4 and didn't realize it. when I went back to the main site it worked as usual.
I am sorry it should have said...
NOT brought into captivity....
It has been a long Friday....
Guiness & Namaste
Lyndzo:
m-w.com defins Bloemfontein as:
Usage: geographical name
city central Republic of South Africa, judicial capital of the Republic population 149,836
Lostluvr, I think that Desmond was injecting himself with something every 9 days, and now Clair is??? Not that the 2 have anything to do with each other???
Have a nice weekend all....
JD & COKE & Namaste!
I went and did more digging on orangutans and CANNOT find NOT ONE that lived past 50 years of age. That would mean Joop would have to have been at the most 50 yrs old when they "havasted" him. That would mean they had to have done that in 1950? THAT SMELLS LIKE RAT DUNG TO ME.
Any posibility that has anything to do with the birthday thing with Seaker? Just thought about that. Long shot there, but who knows. I do know DJDan kept flashing Joop in his video, and that Joop was referenced in the Hugh interview...
I wander if maybe we ARE SUPPOSE to be doing more digging into this whole JOOP thing and not just new clues.
O.K., this may be way off, but based on comic book references made by Speaker (Comic Con and Dragoncon, both major Comic conventions - among other things), I looked into whether there is a connection between the DJ Dan podcast clues and comics in general. Orson Welles was the voice of The Shadow on the radio in the 30's. Speaker also mentioned a 3rd issue of a comic book. I checked out the title of the 3rd Issue of DC Comics The Shadow - The Kingdom of the Cobra. That appears to be another reference to India. The DJ Dan podcast also flashed several images of some of the previous clues, like the Buddha and "The Mouth Piece" clue, over and over.
My guess is that Persephone will give us another clue on hole4 at some time that may relate to India and/or Sell Out.
these are kinda random...but...
There are some legitimate articles on organ preservation and the effects of heavy water concentration at the ncbi website - National Center for Biotechnology Information. Improved viability of the tissue.
Distance can be calculated using a compass and tangent...wonder if we used -3.077### from algeria maybe??? I'm not sure how to do it.
Lena: I agree that the dates don't match up. how could they know is birthdate if he wasn't born in captivity? He would have to have been taken when he was ~3 months old in the year 1900 for it to have been in "the 1900's". I think there's more to Joop.
Don't they use some animal tissue for transplant to humans? I know they transplant heart valves from pigs into humans. Maybe there's some kind of "organ farmimg" going on. anyone remember the book "Coma"?
Malibu & Pineapple Juice and Namaste
Sarah you're ON it...You posted the website before I could even get my post typed! Thanks! :)
Re TAMING THE TANGENT, didn't someone recently prove/suggest that the t9agen750.gif filename referred to some the tangent (tan?) of some specific number? Anyway, there's a trig equation on the blast door map and Roccyraccoon just posted an interesting theory about it. I read "math" about as well as I read Cyrillic, but you guys might be interested:
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Hidden_Map_Equations
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Talk:Hidden_Map_Equations
Anyway, has anyone been able to tease out any alternate meaning for q9als2002.gif?
Sarah...REALLY interesting!
Another connection between magnetic properties, heavy water and human tissue. I know the ARG and show are separate, but maybe the "good ones" are good canidates for organ harvesting? good DNA perhaps, or typing that would match more recipients? I know...I'm stuck on this organ farm thing...
I keep seeing Tesla references. Has anyone tried to find a relationship between the filename q9als2002.gif and a tesla measurement?
Going offline for a while...hubby's home...
Phew!
Finally got through all those posts. No fun living in the UK. Well plenty of fun really but always missing the action when it happens.
Anyway. Great reading guys and girls. Thanks for all that. Belly0fdesire making things easier for the rest of us as usual. You ARE the man.
To be fair though some great and work done by many others too.
It seems that we have come to a bit of a stalemate when coming to find new clues/passwords on the Hanso site. Someone referenced above that the blast door map had heavy water written on it and so maybe more passwords are there. Thing is though that the passwords are only viable when the makers adapt the site to take them. However if a new password field comes out it would be worth refering to the blast door map if we can't find the password. Or even one of the previously found unused places like Joops hidden box although I would doubt that in my heart.
It seems to me that most of the research being done by all you great guys is finding out about the Hanso Foundation. Doing a GREAT job too. I think this is probably the definitive place to go if you want to know the dirt on those guys. Again great work.
More and more people are coming into this and are getting hooked. Fantastic find j7chico about the connections with hard water and the rest. Glad you had the urge to come join us. And some great contributions from you too.
Anyway (again). It seems to me that this is a great part of the game and that later on we will all appreciate just how much work we put in on this because things will mean so much more. I agree with Thrasher that in terms of getting more out of the Hanso site in terms of extra clues (unless something can come of all this numbers/tangents stuff), thats pretty much it. But there are VAST amounts of info to be dug up on what the Hanso foundation are up to. I think that it is deliberate and that the game was well thought out in that respect.
Sorry for the long post but after reading for sooooooo long I feel like summarising a little.
I would also like to thank thrasher76 for giving me a mention. I'm not sure I have contributed that much so it was humbling (I like the idea of the group though. :) Think tanks rock.). I myself came in late. I have seen all episodes of lost despite being in UK but didn't hear about this until a saw a post on a site dedicated to lost. I can't even remember why I ended up choosing this site to follow (obvious I guess) but the whole thing took me by storm. But as I tend to miss the clues in action I have to evaluate what has been said and I tend to try and pick out important bits or add things that seem to be missed. All based on what others have found.
This isn't even what I was going to post. I will save it for another.
Thanks for reading. Hope it wasn't too meaningless.
I think this may have already been posted, but the filename q9als2002.gif could have something to do with Alvar Last Seen in 2002. (als2002).
I wonder if anyone can confirm a little more about whether or not SaveJoop.com is now in-game and more importantly another site to watch for real clues. I feel that too many pushes in that direction have come from official places.
A previous post
I just wonder if the Hugh Mcintyre (or Peter Thompson; I can't remember which) clue of "v-message 7" at the end of the document in one of the clues, and the Hugh Mcintye interview, and the not wanting to answer questions about being affiliated with ABC are all pointing to that site for clues.
Or possibly the creators of SaveJoop have been following the game and have deliberately planted the vmessage swf file and the hesitance at the end of the podcast. The fact that it waa a DJDan podcast makes me think that things are pointing to that site as well.
Does anyone have any reason to discredit this site as being in-game now?
Bigspaceship1 isn't in-game. I believe it was associated with the creators of the last official lost site (oceanicair815 I think).
Nothing important there but last time I was regularly checking in with it, they always provided some cool images and sound. Printed out a few of them.
Belly: I agree...I was just thinking that the filename might lead us to a new interpretation of the image. Maybe it has something to do with Alvar.
Sarah
Someone named kyle had mentioned that it was a fake site. See here. Don't worry about not keeping up. There is just so much info. The amount of comments for each clue just gets bigger and bigger.
Thanks belly0fdesire.
I have a philosophical view on things so it makes me very inquisitive and I don't like things that don't seem right or are unanswered. I like looking at the bigger picture.
I guess that would be my skill.
But you are just so damn hard working. I see similar traits but you rock way more.
If you submit lymon in the sublymonal site it says lemon and lime = lymon. In text and through speakers. I didn't know this. Is this site meant as a kind of dictionary for clues? Cool if it is.
Sorry if it has come up before.
just put alvar in now and it said more
at sublymonal.com
if you use the heavy water password at the main screen, you get a voice telling you the properties of deuterium oxide. hmm....
now anor
this is REAL woohoo
Damn. And just as I was going to bed. What a surprise.
and hanso, lost, marvin
candle, wick, and many many more. Like I sid. A dictionary. I will have soooo much fun with this tomorrow. Or then I may find that you guys have figured it all out already. Oh well.
The file name q9als2002.gif comes up with something. Probably other filename too but haven't trie yet. I really ought to go to bed. I would be up all night getting through this stuff. The message I get eith above through speakers is something to do with a head.
If someone can deconstruct swf (would be cheating and I would prefer to follow manually but just a note for the column) I'm sure you could get loads of info.
Access error on other filename.Are you guys excited? Or am am I just over the top.
I used the password "thomas mcintyre" at Sublyonal.com and got a reference to the wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manitoba_general_election,_1936
and then to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_McIntyre
I would like to correct myself above. hanso doesn't work. (Unless it did and now it doesn't but I think I clicked on alvar so many times that it just repeated when I typed hanso.)
OK...i got excited and typed thomas mcintyre instead of hugh, but interesting that it returned something instead of access error like I got before.
I am now a little confused as some of my previously posted words don't work. I am sorry if it was a case of I pressed too many times on a previous word that worked and I mistook the previous recording for the new word I input. When I entered the filename q9als2002.gif though it definitely did not come up with access error like it is now. I pushed several times on this and it said the message which mentioned head. (A thought, maybe because people had bombarded the site it wasn't refreshing which could possibly explain why it didn't come up with access error.
anor was a new code that had flashed up though so it seems it may be a clue but I don't have time to think a bout it right now.
You guys have lots of fun.
Goodnight.
survivor guilt references the song "empty chairs"...the one by Don McLean?
empty chairs reminds me of the OKCity memorial. probly irrelevant.
Sarah...The clock had the time about an hour ago.
putting in dharma gives a load of numbers.
And that really is it
is the sound for wikipedia playing backwards?
Matt, I see the "man in yellow" in the second picture of your first link. The head is right below the center of your caption "....Yellow first..."
The second link is bizarre. What/who is that?
I've been admiring your reasonings and deductions all along. Keep on plugging away at this thing.
Hey JD...
My hubby started tinkering with the two "different" sized faceless man pics and he put one on top of the other.
the pics
The "thing" in the second link looks like someone in a hazmat suit.
Exactly. I thought for certain that it was assumed the man in yellow was Marvin Candle.
They look identical, even the creases match. MC has been a big part of this game for a long time now, even if not as prevalent in the current incarnation of the lost experience. Someone should look back at all the little clues and pictures(such as the ones the old Marvin Candle site gave) that we basically had to collectively shrug off as simply odd red herrings. I swear there was an old pic that resembled the same style of the faceless individuals and the "yellow creature".
As to the second picture with the strange "yellow creature". Has anyone identified what the background is? To me, it reminds me of actual pictures of blood in the bloostream.
It looks like the picture of Cancer from one of the other clues.
C-ya and Namaste
Brighteyes: I agree with antecedent. The image is the same on all three pics. I moved my laptap screen on the second pic and it's definitely a piece of the background that you think is a necklace.
I also can't separate the show and TLE. I agree with you, antecedent, the the Kimmell appearance of McIntrye was intended to "throw us off" because there are several ties between the two as you've stated (especially some passwords appearing on the blastdoor map).
Most likely the show LOST and TLE are both ARGs!
Someone mentioned how the game somehow prostrates that the LOST show is just that, a fictional show. Evidence of this is many places, including the McIntyre interview.
Now, it is interesting to think that it was just them throwing us off by saying the two aren't connected; yet, I believe the evidence otherwise is rather convincing.
Regardless of this, it makes perfect sense to me that Marvin Candle would show up in all of this. Marvin Candle is not a character in LOST. Marvin Candle is part of a document that was part of some Dharma Initiative in the 70s. McIntyre admitted that there really was a Dharma Project in the 70s, and thus, it makes sense that the hatches, the orientation tapes, and Marvin Candle are all real things as part of the Lost Experience.
The Lost Experience won't connect to the show, sure, but the -show- is the characters and events. The Island and the Dharma Initiative are all supposedly "real" as part of TLE. Thus, things we learn about those things in the show, can correlate with the Lost Experience reality.
The hatch map is relevant because it is part of the Dharma Initiative, alongside the videotaped orientation videos. The actual "mythology" of LOST as a show is all the things surrounding these "real documents". There really was a Dharma Initiative that had these Orientation films made and the hatches set up. The LOST writers supposedly just used them in their show. The LOST Experience is trying to say that the LOST writers are taking reality and building a show around it. Around real organizations like Hanso and real people like Marvin Candle, a nice guy from the 70s that was in the orientation films.
Thus... separate and yet together. You can't have the Lost Experience without LOST. Alternate reality within alternate reality within corporate publicity and mass advertising.
Thanks antecedent.
Wow, he was the original Shredder? Oh my. That is just nerdishly cool on so many levels.
I know many have discussed this, but has anyone considered that DJ Dan is part of the Hanso Foundation?
I mean, it would be using the same principles as the book 1984. The government makes up an enemy that is really just another part of itself. Thus, it can keep tabs on the thoughts and directions of their citizen's minds.
I think the most recent podcast of DJ Dan is a message from Persephone noting what a sell out he is, thus all the documents shown and the, well, repetitions of "sell out". So, not a code or password to anything, but a statement on who DJ Dan really is, as his real colors start to show.
Just consider:
Who is cooler? The hero or the villain?
The villain, of course.
So, perhaps Jeep, Sprite, and any other sponsors that have Hanso Foundation support are hoping to stand out as cool for being part of the machine. Either way, no one can deny what great publicity all of this gets them. It is like forcing their brand names into online watercoolor conversation. Brilliant and almost maniacal is an understatement as far as advertising goes.
In a way, this whole game seems to be making it more clear what a real machine of big business these brand name companies are. They have the power to influence all of us while we are completely relenting, or, wait, actually hungry to hear more from them.
Show me one Lost Experience fan who hasn't been a bit giddy to see if the newest Sprite commercial has any clues in it.
Yep, Trevor. Glad you understand how the two tie in.
Now, as far as how the game will progress... such as the idea of us "sticking it to the man". em... I don't see that happening. Though this is called a game, an alternate reality game, the term ARG is used as a reference to an advertising strategy. An ARG is equal to someone saying they are going to use the strategy of oversaturating the market with the brand name, such as plastering the name everywhere in a store. It makes people be interested and know about the product.
The product of the ARG is LOST, Lost Experience websites, and endless, endless product placement in the game. Did anyone hear? -Bad Twin-, a novel written by a fictional LOST character, a mediocre thriller at best, was on the New York Times Bestsellers List this week. Tons of people are actually remembering that there is another cola outside of Coke and Pepsi, that being Sprite. Jeep is regaining customer support as it gets the name back out into common thought, nurturing itself for a nice comeback into former glory.
Look at the examples of success, people! I feel like I'm DJ-Dan denouncing "The Man". This is genius. An ARG doesn't just tell about the product and get the word out, an ARG gets people actually -wanting more advertising-. Anything. Any scrap. Instead of accepting advertisements that get our interest, we have great interest and demand advertisements. Advertisements, or as we in the LOST community like to call them, "clues".
I'm not denouncing LOST for this. On the contrary, I am simply stating how insanely powerful they are. If there really was a social "Man", LOST would be it.
You wait. Next week Mittelwerk will be spotted at a Burger King and Persephone will denounce BK's tasty goodness. The game won't end until we collectively stick it to LOST.
Though, who among us wants -that-?
Yet.
-The Truth Tempest
Math on the brain = no sleep.
Been thinking about the tangent thing. I think the answer is quite simple and it also explains the DJ Dan podcast clue.
Speaker's clues were Get an Axe and Taming the Tangents.
Taking the capitol cities from the countries in question, draw a line (the tangent). Using the compass from letyourcompassguideyou.com, the degrees are all laid out. (That may be the real clue behind the DJ Dan podcast. I'm also working on another possibility.)
There is a trick to this that I wonder if the producers of the game have taken into account. Drawing a line across an orthogonal map produces a real line that is curved. You'd have to draw the line on a globe, and then transform it to the map.
Another clue is given on the ERI section of THF site. When you click on the axis of the image there, a compass appears. The lines on the grid are also similar to what you'd see if you transformed the tangents on a sphere onto a map. My guess is that when you draw the tangents, you'll get something similar to the ERI image - or maybe something even better.
I don't have a globe or the S/W to work on this myself, but perhaps this sparks someone with the tools for figure it out.
Also, from the ERI grid it looks like it could be more than just finding point on the map. Following the arrows from the axis around the image might produce results. That is, clicking on the icons in a particular order might open up another clue. Just a thought.
Matt:
Your overlay crosses just east of the Straights of Gibraltar, which is close enough to Algiers, Algeria. Perhaps this is the point of origin?
Using the tangent of Algeria, we'd then draw a line through Algiers - keeping in mind that the line may curve due to map transformation.
I guess we need the tangents of all of the locations on the map to work it out. The rest is plug-n-chug.
It's also possible that the ERI image could be enlarged to fit the size of the compass image based on the scale you've used to find the intersection among the three countries in the clue. This may tell us exactly what we need to know, which may put us way up in the subarctic regions based on the ERI image.
Here is another thought.
You'd want to align your tangent lines to the correct compass position. The compass we're using shows 108 degrees as being north. That would appear to be our orientation, and the lines would be drawn accordingly. That puts the end point somewhere in the southern hemisphere.
Using the ERI as a rough estimate, the end point looks to be out in the direction of Heard Island in the Indian Ocean or just north of it.
Didn't we see an anagram with Herd or Heard as a possible solution?
Good day to you all.
It seems that the sublymonal site wasn't as interesting as I thought.
If really all it does do reference whats already on wiki it doesn't seem much use. HOWEVER. I think if you put in the RIGHT word(s) it will react differently. Example "lymon" does no refer to wikipedia and there is no reference of lymon on wikipedia. Did the code lymon work before the site update? Typing in wikipedia (as has been mentioned) leads to someone saying what sounds like "echo ree why". What does this mean? I will experiment with more words later as I'm at work right now.
On a separate issue.
Once you have been to the miracle - hard water section on the Hanso site I can't get back in without clearing all my cache as the miracle test and link is gone. It sounds from above posts that others have got back in. Does anyone know how to get back there?
In this clue I find the yellow man that comes up (Matt says - What do you guys think about the screenshots I've taken of a peculiar yellow Man in Yellow, as well as a VERY UNUSUAL thing from the latest clue?
http://members.aol.com/mattthepale/maninyellow.jpg
http://members.aol.com/mattthepale/yellowcreature.jpg )#
The pic in first link is Marvin (100% sure about this, the creases in the arm are IDENTICAL). I will link to better camparison later.
The second link from Matt though - the image that looks like a guy in hazmat suit - is weird and I have no clue who or what it is but feel it must mean something. What I did notice though
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is that the music/sound that plays in the background is the same as the one in Lost when the machine in the hatch is switched off and the sky goes funny colours and people cover their ears. I think it is. Can someone confirm/theorise?
So much more blasting about my head but will wait until later.
Aaron Said: My other guess is we'll eventually divide up into groups based on "special intrests/abilities/skills" and reconointer here to put pieces together.
My Reply:
Right on Aaron. I'm on vacation right now but Will & Daniel are keeping up the site. When I get back in town, we'll have some sort of a "sign up" up where we'll divide up "research responsibilities" based on backgrounds & interests. I've been brainstorming with Belly0Desire about a companion blog to keep up with "deeper research".
This is awesome. I'll be back in town June 12
I don't have much time today, but I found this cool website on Namaste...
www.namastetv.com
Peace & as always Namaste
Uh, Heard Island is adjacent to the McDonald Islands. Want to take a guess at who the next Lost Experience sponsor is?
"Uh, Heard Island is adjacent to the McDonald Islands. Want to take a guess at who the next Lost Experience sponsor is?"
haha! It's what I've been sayin!
Good find, K.C.
Lena and Mr. Lena:
(Reaching way back to messages about overlaying big file/little file faceless guy)
I was trying to do something similar ... but I think you need to change the colors of the files first. If you use the same blackline drawings, you won't see where the differences are, only the aggregate, right? So try making one red and one blue (for example) and see if anything new pops out. Just a hunch, and one I can't follow up due to technical ineptitude. I hope this helps!
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