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Clue #69 - Rachel Blake Italy Post 03 & DJDan 7/05

Rachel Post:
Rachel made a new post this morning. Something about Mittelwerk and getting his blood replaced. Why? She follows Mittelwerk to The "Avlar Hanso Center for Advanced Medical Services" and gives us a link to audio hidden on the UK Channel 4 website. The clip is at the end of the "play now" clip on the front page. You just have to fastforward through all the other stuff to hear Rachel's audio. Probably easier just to follow our DIRECT LINK to the audio. MegaPrime33 gives us a great transcript near the top of the comments!

DJ Dan:
DJ Dan also has a new podcast up! Go to DJ Dan podcast page, in the Sublymonal ad type in anything and the word "pyramid" appears. Click on the pyramid icon at the bottom for DJ Dan's latest.

Or click our pyramid for a direct link!

Bonus:
We were also emailed a really nice map of the Lost universe and happenings by created by Jonah and first sent into us by Aaron, Check out this awesome Lost Map.

Comment away!

Thanks to Christine, MegaPrime33, DazzedElf, LeeLee2233, Aaron and the Duck for the first emails on this.

463 Comments:

Blogger Dazzedelf said...

don't forget the new djdan podcast is up. Nobody has put a transcript up though..

7/05/2006 08:17:00 AM  
Blogger Bobby said...

second

7/05/2006 08:18:00 AM  
Blogger kindle said...

I like how we go a from perfect recording with a directional mic to a recording full of background noises that was done face-to-face. Do you think the creators are hoping we'll suspend our disbelief, or was that first track suppossed to be phony?

7/05/2006 08:18:00 AM  
Blogger Rach79 said...

Please can we get a transcript soon - am at work and it just won't play!

7/05/2006 08:19:00 AM  
Blogger MegaPrime33 said...

Here is the transcript from the audio.

Nurse: Did you bring the money?

Rachel: Yeah, I brought it

Nurse: That’s all of it? Give it to me.

Rachel: Wait a second

Nurse: No money, no information.

Rachel: Look, I’ll give you the money, but I need to know you’re for real first. What was Mittlework doing at the hospital.

Nurse: I don’t know any Mittlework.

Rachel: Do you have any idea what these people are doing?

Nurse: Why should I care?

Rachel: I guess you shouldn’t, thanks. Good bye.

Nurse: Wait, he was getting treatements.

Rachel: What kind of treatements? Why?

Nurse: You don’t want to be looking into these people. I’m sure you have a mother that cares about you.

Rachel: My mother’s dead. She cared very much about me, but she’s gone.

Nurse: Is that why you’re doing this?

Rachel: Yes, it is.

Nurse: We gave him a blood treatement, an exchange transfusion.

Rachel: Is that what it sounds like?

Nurse: We replaced his blood with fresh blood.

Rachel: Why would someone do that?

Nurse: I need my money.

Rache: You said treatements, what else?

Nurse: We gave him injections, vaccinations mainly.
Hep A, B, DTP, measels, different kinds of flus,
typhoid, yellow fever, and they were proprietory formalation (??)

Rachel: I don’t understand, where would you be going that you would need so many vaccinations?

Nurse: You don’t have enough money for me to tell you that.

7/05/2006 08:20:00 AM  
Blogger Rach79 said...

Kindle - I expect that it's meant to how how shady the meet up between R and the nurse was. She 'explained' away the clarity of the beach recording with the wind.

7/05/2006 08:20:00 AM  
Blogger Rach79 said...

Thanks megaprime now we just need the DJDan podcast from today - not that I'm being greedy!!!

7/05/2006 08:21:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Sorry for the lag gang. I think many of us in the states had 4th of July parties yesterday! Playing catch up at the moment...more to come!

7/05/2006 08:23:00 AM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

wel, i am pretty certain, being in the medical feild, that he is headed to africa. you need all those shots there. also exchange transfusions are for newborn jaundice, sickle cell anemia( which only black people can get) and malaria. I believe TM has someone elses organs in him ie a black persons liver... and he is heading to africa to get a replacement since capetown seems the place for that.

7/05/2006 08:24:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

2 theories.

1. alvar hanso and mittelwerk are the same person. he is just using hanso as a cover.

2. rachel's mother was some sort of patient at a hanso hospital, and died under one of their experiments.

7/05/2006 08:25:00 AM  
Blogger pilferk said...

To get to djdan the "right way":

Go to the podcast archive area.

See the sublymonal ad at the top?

Type in some stuff. Whatever you type, you'll get the word "Pyramids".

Click on the pyramid at the bottom of the page.

You got the July 5th podcast.

:)

7/05/2006 08:25:00 AM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

djdan podcast was interesting too. how can he be at stonehenge and in sanremo at the same time.... guess pt is not djdan!

7/05/2006 08:27:00 AM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

thrasher76, what do you think of my theory above? the one about the organs....

7/05/2006 08:30:00 AM  
Blogger locked on lost said...

megaprime33, thank you very much for posting my transcript over here... been busy with new clues and haven't had the chance yet!

7/05/2006 08:30:00 AM  
Blogger minnesotawriter said...

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7/05/2006 08:32:00 AM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

Since there is so much buzz related to organ harvesting, I believe that the top execs at hanso could be at least some of the recipiants...

7/05/2006 08:33:00 AM  
Blogger Pandora said...

The direct link to Rachel's recording is:

http://www.channel4.com/entertainmen...sets/blake.mp3

7/05/2006 08:37:00 AM  
Blogger Pandora said...

Oops, here's the non chopped one...

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/L/lost/assets/blake.mp3

7/05/2006 08:39:00 AM  
Blogger MegaPrime33 said...

You're welcome to all! Glad I could help.

I am really curious as to where Mittlewerk will show up next or where his true destination is. Africa does seem like a logical place, what with all of the noculants he received.

7/05/2006 08:39:00 AM  
Blogger Tiu Brunow said...

hey guys ..i'm sorry but..where did you find rachel's audio recording?
thaks

7/05/2006 08:42:00 AM  
Blogger Dazzedelf said...

has anyone got a transcript of the djdan podcast yet?

7/05/2006 08:44:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Christine - I think it is a very plausible idea...nice!

7/05/2006 08:46:00 AM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

thanks thrasher76.

7/05/2006 08:48:00 AM  
Blogger Tiu Brunow said...

oh.forget it
i alredy find it...
bu thanks anyway

7/05/2006 08:50:00 AM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

that wouldnt be a pic of optimus prime would it... he rocks!!!!

7/05/2006 08:50:00 AM  
Blogger Passafist said...

The BBC "THIS KNIFE" show clip featured some messed up audio. I played with it in Adobe Audition... I posted this in the last Comments section but thought it would be of some interest here.

Rachel Audio from THIS KNIFE video

Now the explanation from the last blog comments....

Okay so I've played with the audio a little. I haven't put it up yet but here's my guess. I beginning is somebody singing.... "I Fooled Around, I Need to Love." The second piece of the audio is after the beep. It's what I can only guess as Korean, it's reversed. Followed by some human voice forward but covered by static and beeping. I isolated the audio and flipped around the Korean, but I don't have a filter that removes echo, so I don't know what else to do.

7/05/2006 08:51:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Christine - Yes! Optimus Prime does indeed, Rock!!!

Still getting my head around everything this morning. If anyone has the DJ Dan transcript, that would be great!!

Peace & Namaste!

7/05/2006 08:57:00 AM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

thanks for the heads up thrasher!

7/05/2006 08:58:00 AM  
Blogger Passafist said...

In response to DJDANS Podcast.....



SPOILER THEORY......------------







I'm sure the KARMA imperitive is the Darhma Inititive.... but this discussion of cults plays into a theory I've held for a while. I believe that the Darhma Inititive, was a fully funded experiment, the doctors, scientists, and subjects were all willing. But at some point everyone involved lost their way and now everyone involved are not working under the Hanso Foundation, or under the orinal ramification of the experiment. What started out as science is spun wildly out of control. Not unlike Phillip Zimbardo's Stamford Prison experiment. That got so out of control it was shut down two days into it. But what if it had been allowed to go on? Could the Darhma Initivite be a more mundane experiment gone out of control??

7/05/2006 09:03:00 AM  
Blogger louie1 said...

thanks very much for the link to rachel's audio --- for some reason, it wouldn't work for me. 'proprietary formulations'? like a certain vaccine with the #'s on it?

as for djdan's podcast --- he SAYS he's live but who knows?

on a completely unrelated note: supposedly Keith Richards had his blood replaced--- truth or urban myth?

7/05/2006 09:05:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Passafist - It is very possible that DJ Dan cannot or will not talk directly about Hanso or Dharma at this stage...IMHO...nice theory though...

7/05/2006 09:08:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

About DJ Dan, I'm still interested in your theories, is he Peter Thompson?

And he talks about cults this time, possibly a reference to the Others?

7/05/2006 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

now we need a response from gidgetgirl telling rachel where to go.

7/05/2006 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger Dazzedelf said...

I think Peter Thompson is DJ Dan. If you listen to the mp3 file that Rachel put up yesterday, in Windows Media Player it says the Artist is DJDan.

7/05/2006 09:16:00 AM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Okay just got to say this -

Rachels new recording is so blatently recorded in a studio it's becomming a joke! It's in STEREO! Not just the kind of stereo you can get from a single stereo microphone either like you may get on a minidisc recorder (and I doubt you can get super discrete covert microphones that have any kind of real stereo field to them), it's quite distinct stereo too. I very much doubt you could get that quality while still maintaining any kind of covertness with the recording. Not to mention the fact that the rain and noir-esque sax solo (which I thought was cool btw) are blatently backing tracks added on later.

Come on production crew, this isn't rocket science to make this believable your just being downright sloppy! This is the kind of production I'd expect for a radio show, which is all well and good except for the fact this is an ARG not a radio show. It's actually like they've put effort into making it sleek and polished. I'm actually tempted to edit that audio to make it more believable as a covert recording. Seems pointless but I just want to time it and see how much effort it would have been for them to do it.

*sigh* Anyway, you never know it could add weight to the theory that Rachel is lying to us and faking the whole thing. Hence recruiting DJDan as well (I'm on that shortly btw).

As for the content. I'm starting to suspect the theory that Hanso somehow is Mittlewerk has some truth to it. Fresh blood because part of the side effects of his eternal youth process is leaking out heavy water? Perhaps those sideeffects are also the reason why Mittlewerk seems to have to live a somewhat healthy lifestyle (no meat?).

Lol my security word is "borqk" Borqk borqk borqk

7/05/2006 09:17:00 AM  
Blogger louie1 said...

passafist: yes,yes,yes,yes. i've long thought the dharma init. was benign at first but with its funding cut and those people left in isolation --- things can get crazy without an outside/opposing point of view.

7/05/2006 09:19:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

Dazzledelf: I think he's Peter Thompson too, her are my thoughts about it:
My bet is too that Peter Thompson is DJDan. I just don't think that they would say: hey, we need some voices for a conversation, let's use the voices of DJDan and Tonya, no one will notice...

But there is something strange: DJDan has gotten a threat-phonecall from (who is believed to be) Peter Thompson. How could that be if he's Peter Thompson himself? On the other hand, it could be a great cover! If DJDan recorded that treat himself, the hanso foundation could be tricked into thinking he is definitely not Peter Thompson, and he secured himself because if he is attacked someday by the threatmaker, it's just a cover and the hanso foundation will not bother anymore. The only strange thing is that it has been a long while ago that the threat was made... I am actually sursprised that noone tried to hurt him yet (in both scenario's)

I hope you can still follow my thoughts, I wish I could explain it more clearly...

And about Tonya, maibe she is PT's secretary Irene (She could be heard answering calls on the Hanso voice mail system). But then again, why would a secretary be part of an important conversation and mission with the big boss?

I have two more things I hope you guys can answer for me:
Wizardry_eas mentioned TPTB, where does that stand for?

the other thing: has been suggested that the DJDan podcasts are being composited (is that a good english word? I'm from The Netherlands so I'm not sure...) out of old material, because his site history mentions a conspiraspy of the month, a month before he actually made him conspiraspy of the month. Is this just a mistake?

7/05/2006 09:21:00 AM  
Blogger MegaPrime33 said...

Here's a theory that I hold dear, the Dharma Initiative was created in the 70's and sponsored by THF. They went to an island in the south pacific that had signifacnt properties for some of their experiments, one of which is cloning. There was a terrible accident on the island and the Dharma Initiative was shutdown in the mid 80s. Some of the scientists survived this accident and are continuing the experiments on this island, especially the cloning. I realize there is no proof yet, or has there even been a word about cloning, but I believe it to be true. Possibly Alvar himself is a clone, which is why there is an issue with this blood.

7/05/2006 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger Vintage_Soul said...

Who else loved RB's background music resembling those early 1940's detective movies? haha
But hey, now we know it IS because of Rachel's mother that this little mission of hers is so personal.

7/05/2006 09:24:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

Sorry for the dubbelpost:

about the DJDan podcast: the caller comments that his grandmother (DeGroot?) has gone to 'the flame' or 'the fire' in the south facific in the early seventies.

So, I'm sure it's the lost Island, to the station 'the flame'

7/05/2006 09:25:00 AM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Actually thinking of that. The shotgun microphone recording is also in stereo. Now THAT is impressive!

7/05/2006 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

TPTB = The Powers That Be or the people running this game

I love that theory!

7/05/2006 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

well, remember he supossedly got Dharma initiative confused with Karma imperative. so mistaking flame and fire would be understandable.

7/05/2006 09:27:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

@Megaprime333 and others:
if the Dharma initiative was really shut down, why then was there a new fooddrop? (in the Lost episodes)

7/05/2006 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Fenris - your avitar is creepy!!! But way cool!!

word verification = honzy

Maybe Hanso's nickname!! LMAO!!

7/05/2006 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger louie1 said...

annabeth: good point, maybe THF isn't entirely heartless or hmmm... could the 'new' hugh have been lying on the kimmel show?

in either case, isolation can breed fanaticism.

7/05/2006 09:34:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

no speakers at work, so will need transcript of podcasts......I am still freaking out over yesterdays recording between mittlewerk and peter thompson - that was definitely DJ Dan and Tonya talking to him as far as I am concerned.

7/05/2006 09:34:00 AM  
Blogger JB said...

At the beginning of DJ Dan's podcast, he mentions that it is the anniversary of the Heaven's Gate suicide which occured in late March of 1997. This supports Team Lena's theory that the podcasts are being given to us out of order.
Jen

7/05/2006 09:34:00 AM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

so just a quick question..... what about fake henry gayle... he must be important... so who is he????

7/05/2006 09:36:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

@Christine: There is a LOT of interesting info and theories about the fake Henry Gale at Lostpedia, here:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Henry_Gale

(also lostpedia will have a transcript of the DJ Dan podcast soon, I think. I'm not an English Native speaker, otherwise I would have maid a transcript.... can still try it if anyone wants it?

7/05/2006 09:39:00 AM  
Blogger locked on lost said...

If I can get the recording, I will do another transcript... but can't access the DJ Dan stuff.

7/05/2006 09:42:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

I will start, but it will be in peaces okay? It's good for my English anyway :P

Coming to you live from Stonehenge... DJDan. You're listening to DJDan, shutting down the man....

7/05/2006 09:45:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

DJDan: Yup, I'm shutting down the man, that's the plan, so you don't know WHAT hit the van... so much for my hiphop career.

Tanya: c'mon Dan, you're old school.

DJDAN: Yup, hang a grandfather's clock around my neck, that's how oldschool I am. Speaking of... I call myself a DJ, but how often do you hear me play music? yeah, jump on that conspiraspies!

7/05/2006 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

DJDAN: We're having a good time today, ladies and GMO's, we're in our blue tracksuits, we have our name brand white sneakers, that's right, whe're celebrating the anniversary of... Heaven's Gate! (crowd cheers)
Cults people! Whe are talking about cults, Tanya, do you have a favorite?

Tanya: Uh, what about those guys with the red scarves, you know, who just said the cloned their leader?

7/05/2006 09:51:00 AM  
Blogger GimpyMcCrutch said...

where do you find the audio on the channel 4 page

7/05/2006 09:52:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

DJDan: gooood one, but you know, you know, I mean, I have a soft spot for the Heaven's Gaters,you know, the sheer ambition just gets to me, okay? They killed themselves to hitch a ride on a comet. It's kinda poetic! So my sweet conspiraspies, are you in a cult? Were you in a cult? Are you about to drink the coolade(?) ?. Are you MAKING the coolade? Call us first!

7/05/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger JB said...

Here's the first page of the DJ Dan podcast. Transcribing the rest right now.


Voice over: Coming to you live from Stonehenge

Singers: DJ Dan!

Voice over: You’re listening to DJ Dan, shutting down the man

DJ Dan: Yep, we’re coming to you live. I’m shutting down the man, that’s the plan so you don’t know the what hit the fan. So much for my hip hop career.

Tanya: Come on, Dan, you’re old school.

DJ Dan: Yep, hang a grandfather clock around my neck that’s how old school I am. Speaking of, I call myself a DJ but how often do you ever hear me play music? Yeah, jump on that, Conspiraspies. *laughs* We’re having a good time today ladies and GMOs (?) we’re in our blue track suits. We have our name brand white sneakers. That’s right we’re celebrating the anniversary of Heaven’s Gate!

Cheering in the background

DJ Dan: Cults, people, we’re talking about cults. Tanya, you got a favorite?

Tanya: Uh, what about those guys with the red scarves you know, who just said they cloned their leader?

DJ Dan: Good one, but you know, you know I mean I have a soft spot for the Heaven’s Gaters, you know the sheer ambition just gets me, okay. They killed themselves to hitch a ride on a comet. It’s kind of poetic. So my sweet conspiraspies, are you in a cult? Were you in a cult? Are you about to drink the Kool-Aid? Are you making the Kool-Aid? Call us first, tell us all about it. Let’s take Mike from Texas. Suwee! Mike! Got a shotgun under the seat?

Mike: You betcha, DJ Dan.

DJ Dan: Don’t mess with Mikey. Mikey, what is your cult connection?

Mike: Well I’m listening to the Cult.

DJ Dan: That’s a band you dink. People, do I have to explain? No self-respecting cult calls itself a cult! The Cult itself is not a cult and even if it spawned a cult it certainly would not be a cult. SHUTDOWN! Bo (?) from Minnesota. Hear you spotted a cult in your home town.

Bo: Yes, sir. My nephew joined these bald chanting guys, you know dancing, handing out flowers in the street.

7/05/2006 09:57:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

DJDan: tell us all about it! Let's take Mike from Texas. SWEEEET (?)! Mike! Got a shotgun under your seat?

Mike: You betya DJ dan!

DJDan: DOn't mess with Mikey! Mikey, what is your cult connection?

Mike: Well, um, I'm listening to the cult...

DJDan: That's a band, ya dink! PEOPLE! Do I have to explain? No selfrespecting cult cals itself a Cult! The cult itself is not a cult. And even if it sponned (?) a cult, it certainly would not BE a cult. SHUTDOWN!

7/05/2006 10:00:00 AM  
Blogger MegaPrime33 said...

annebeth - You're right, thats a good question, why would there be a new food drop? But keep this in mind as well, no one ever witnessed it being droped from the air. It just appears that way. It very well could have been just placed there

7/05/2006 10:00:00 AM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

hey guys check this out....


http://www.cdc.gov/travel/austspac.htm#vaccines

7/05/2006 10:00:00 AM  
Blogger louie1 said...

GMOs? genetically modified organisms?

7/05/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

oh sorry... should I stop JB ?

Megaprime33: True, but I think it was placed in the serie to suggest that the hanso foundation still knows about it and is active with it. But you could be right, it could also just been placed there, but I don't think so :)

7/05/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger JB said...

Second half of DJ Dan podcast transcript

DJ Dan: Chanting guys! Chanting guys! They’re not a cult! Everybody knows they’re a front for extra terrestrials! SHUTDOWN! Come on people, give me something real. Anthony from Petosky (?), Michigan. That in the thumb, Anthony?

Anthony: Um, more in the pinky finger? Anyways, DJ Dan, I think my grandma was in a cult.

DJ Dan: Grandma’s don’t join cults. SHUTDOWN! Just kidding. Continue, I’m captivated.

Anthony: Um, well she was getting her doctorate in, I think, Psych at the University of Michigan in the 60’s. And she joined this group, I guess, called the Karma Imperative or something.

DJ Dan: The Karma Imperative? Okay, now that sounds like a cult.

Anthony: Yeah! And um well, she told my mom about how she was going with uh the Karma Imperative to some place in the South Pacific.

DJ Dan: Uh, island, continent, cruise ship? What are we talking about here? Come on give me something.

Anthony: Um, she just said it was, I think, the Flame or the Fire?

DJ Dan: Moving on, moving on

Anthony: Well, they never heard from her after that! It was like, early 70s when she went. Nobody at the University heard about the Karma Imperative. And well, they had like a funeral for her and everything!

DJ Dan: Well, that is a tragedy. A human, real life tragedy. It makes me sick, Anthony. Sick! These repugnant, selfish, clannish, crony-ish, mystical, brain washing pieces of dung that take away our loved ones. Conspiraspies, you heard it. Anthony from Petosky has lost his grandmother to the Karma Imperative. You know what to do. You know who you are. I need some dirt on Karma so we can find Anthony’s granny and SHUTDOWN the man! Back after these messages.

Voice over: You’re listening to DJ Dan, shutting down the man.

7/05/2006 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger Fenris said...

I've said it before but if we can tell DJDans voice is apparently the same as Peters then no one at the Hanso Foundation that has heard both voices would miss that too. Plus they'd be way ahead of us on it because we've only just heard Pete. I'd also like to know why DJDan is playing thick again? I mean come on, how could he miss the Karma Imperitve/Dharma Initiative thing?

Okay I've done the frequency analysis. At least as well as I can do it, I'm not a speech expert but this seems to me closer then the Rachel/Persephone one, although once again inconclusive. If you were doing this for a court you'd have to get the suspect to say the same words in the same way and if possible with the same recording method, but obviously I'm working from audio clips (of them saying "Alvar Hanso") that are slightly different in both circumstances and expression. The main difference is the extra bass but listening to the Pete clip it's clear (to me) he's speaking close to the microphone (I know....*sigh*) which triggers the proximity effect where you get extra bass in your voice. A lot of vocalists use this effect to their benifit if they have fairly thin voices to start with. So I wouldn't put much weight in that difference alone. In my opinion I'd say it's an 85% chance it is the same voice actor. Make of that what you will. Before I did the analysis I was 95% so perhaps it's thrown a little doubt on it, but not much really.

If you want to look at it yourself I've put four files up.

THIS is a control frequency analysis between two occasions of DJDan saying "Alvar Hanso" on his podcasts

THIS is the full frequency comparison between the two DJDans and the Pete Thompson saying of "Alvar Hanso" Thomspon is in yellow.

THIS is the waveforms next to each other of DJDan and Pete Thomspon

and THIS is an audio file with DJDan on one side and Pete Thompson on the other saying "Alvar Hanso".

7/05/2006 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

@Christine: so, he could be going to The South Pacific (as the site mentions), maibe Autralia....
interesting. I think it would be logically he's going to the (lost?) island he was talking about because the SPIDER PROTOCOL is about to happen...

by the way, I don't think Mittelwerk is Alvar Hanso... I think Mittelwerk hasn't a blood desease or something, but is just 'preparing his body for some sort of hell-on-earth conditions', like Rachel suspects.

7/05/2006 10:14:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Fenris - Awesome work! I was around 95% as well, but I am more like 75% now that they are one in the same...really interesting stuff...

7/05/2006 10:19:00 AM  
Blogger louie1 said...

fenris: you do nice work!

there is evidence that TPTB read the blogs but how much of this is on auto=pilot while they enjoy their summer vacation?

that being said i still think djdan = pete. and where's hugh?
(little fixated, i know)

7/05/2006 10:20:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

Really nice Fenris :) What do you think about Tonya then?


O sorry about my last post by the way, I haven't read the whole post of Rachel when I posted it. She says exactle the same thing as my gues... so lame comment of me.... but anyway, so some people stille think he's going to Africa, and why?

7/05/2006 10:22:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

Hey, I'm headed to Petosky for vacation in August - maybe I'll track Anthony down. :)

Although he may need to check his geography - Petosky's not really that close to the "pinky finger."

7/05/2006 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger engineer27 said...

Mittelwerk recognized Rachel because she looks like her Mother -- and Mittelwerk knew her... from Dharma, perhaps?

7/05/2006 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

could DJDan and peter thompson be 2 different people, but voiced by the same actor?

7/05/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

annebeth - I think people are thinking Africa because of all of the innoculations he just got, and the ties hanso has to the area. I think the island is more likely, though, since that's what they've been focusing on over the last couple of weeks.

7/05/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger LittleTigerOne said...

Here's some clickable maps with some interesting areas:

http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/as.htm

Note that where the map posted above (from one of the clues we received) the islands could be British Indian Ocean Territory, however, I think this area is what we are looking for

http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/au.htm

Look at the clusters of islands at the equator....click in those areas. Jarvis Island might be our island???

LT

7/05/2006 10:31:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

The Mother of Walt died from a blood disorder by the way...

And didn't the others draw blood from Micheal?

7/05/2006 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

maybe rachel's mother was on the plane. maybe shes been on the show.

7/05/2006 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

If you would like to download djdan's podcast in mp3 format, you can do so here: http://www.djdan.am/podcast/c.mp3

7/05/2006 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

good point!
Because she also says Goodnight Mrs. Callabas, wherever you are.

wherever you are.... maibe she's not sure her mother is dead?

7/05/2006 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Fenris, great work on that stuff.

But I think this is one of those instances where they have a limited number of actors / actresses and people are playing more than one part.

It sucks, I know... but I really think there are like 5 or 6 people doing everything.

7/05/2006 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger Gorgeous Junkie said...

Mittelwerk is going to the island baby! An where Mittelwerk goes, so does Rachel! Season 3!

7/05/2006 10:40:00 AM  
Blogger Gorgeous Junkie said...

An they are taking Pak's pleasure cruise boat!

7/05/2006 10:41:00 AM  
Blogger Filmnerd said...

After you type in Pyramid, and the pyramid logo becomes available for you to click on, two other logos send you to a link as well. The top right one with the black and white topographical map looking thing takes you to sublymonal. But the blue one with the radio tower two over from the pyramid (even though it doesn't appear clickable) takes you here: http://www.thehansofoundation.org/swf/extra/spies/

Nothing up there yet or now, but has that always been there?

7/05/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

Vexingmodstwo, I really don't think (hope) so! I mean, this project is worldwide, it would be so uncool and dissapointing if they made people play more than one part :(

And there are still some DJDan things that are weird.... like podcasts out of order (maibe)...

@Gorgeous junkie: would be cool, but the timelinee of the serie is like two years behind, sadly...

7/05/2006 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

filmnerd - I think that site is from a few clues back, when the Hanso site was still active. Isn't that where there was a picture, and if you changed the colors or something, it said "conspira." It was part of a password.

annebeth - I think you're right about the podcasts being out of order. This one seems really early to me. And I'm curious to see how they will tie this game into the show, since the timelines are so far off.

7/05/2006 10:49:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

@Melissa: thanks :) Isn't it strange that they celebrate the anniversary of Heaven's Gate while that happened in March? (someone noticed that).

I hope they will tie this game to the show, but maibe they won't... It's so weird. I thought it was said that the game wouldn't have consequences for the plotline in the serie.
But I mean, there are allready so many clues and things about Dharma and the island...

7/05/2006 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Yo Li'l Tiger

The NUMBERS also form coordinates to:

http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=S4.815+E162.342&ie=UTF8&ll=-4.806365,162.333984&spn=43.90766,87.890625&om=1


BTW, it makes SOME sense because The Black Rock went East out of Papua New Guinea instead of West toward Africa before it disappeared and you know where it ended up

AND although most LOSTies know this:

If the plane left Sydney for L.A. then headed back toward Fiji before getting lost the numbers also end up around this location between Fiji, Papua New Guinea & Sidney, etc.

Now, back to our quite regularly scheduled clues...

Isn't there a reason that Quarantine was used... there could have been contagions on the island previously

http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=S4.815+E162.342&ie=UTF8&ll=-4.806365,162.333984&spn=43.90766,87.890625&om=1

7/05/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger LittleTigerOne said...

I guess today is the day for studying maps ;-) Spent ages looking for that stuff....

So, this is really starting to get interesting. Off to the Island we go :-)

LT

7/05/2006 11:01:00 AM  
Blogger louie1 said...

marcusallencooper: nice map and yes, possible location of black rock... good job!

7/05/2006 11:03:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

Does anyone else think TPTB want us to think we're going to THE island only to pull a bait and switch at the last minute? Isn't the game supposed to remain independent of the show. Did I hear/read that somewhere prior to this starting?

7/05/2006 11:05:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

yeah, I heard that too...

but it would be really mean if they aren't going to the island, wouldn't it?

7/05/2006 11:06:00 AM  
Blogger Friday's_Child said...

Since EVERYTHING in the various audios/videos needs to be examined as a potential clue, we should find out WHY DJ Dan specifically spoke about the Heaven's Gate cult, circa 1997. This cult believed that Comet Hale-Bopp was a UFO that would take them away; not physically (which is why they killed themselves en masse), but spiritually, i.e., the 'spirit' selves which dwell inside the flesh bodies. Apparently, flesh bodies cannot hitch a ride on the tail end of a comet! A spirit being can! Wild, huh?

Here’s info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_cult

7/05/2006 11:08:00 AM  
Blogger cassiej said...

The theory that Rachel and Mittlewerk will appear in Season 3 is not convincing to me. Remember, Season 3 would be in late 2004 (Thanksgiving? Christmas?) Assuming this game is happening in real time, then Rachel and Mittlewerk would end up arriving on the island 2 years later. Perhaps we'll see them *off* the island, interacting with Penelope Widmore.

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7/05/2006 11:12:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

maybe in flashbacks.

7/05/2006 11:13:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

where'd everyone go?

7/05/2006 11:24:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

oxillini- I agree. I don't think that we're going to THE island. If we do, I'm scared that it will ruin the show just a little. Part of the mystique of the show (for me at least)is not quite knowing what is going on with the Losties, where they are, and what exactly the island is! I read this: "The game reaches back into 'Lost' history and looks forward to future episodes," said Mike Benson, senior vice president of marketing for ABC Entertainment. That makes me nervous!

Full Article here: http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=1881142

7/05/2006 11:24:00 AM  
Blogger Songbird61 said...

Some reasons for complete blood transfusion:

Jaundice/alcohol liver disease, Rh disease (Dr. Alexander S. Wiener/Dr. Douglas Arnold -- done on infants), Viral Platelet Disease, high billiruben levels, leukemia (high white blood count), anemia-geophagia syndrome, and (for Marvel readers), of course, to cure one of vampirism.

So is Mittlewerk suffering from alcoholism, leukemia or vampirism?

He does work for a major world corporation ... my money's on vampirism. ;)

Songbird61

7/05/2006 11:26:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

whatever it is, it's probably connected to his limp.

7/05/2006 11:29:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

ange: i know what you mean. if they tell us too much about THE island then that defeats the stated purpose of the game (to keep us interested until the season opener)! They've already pulled a bait and switch once (although probably not intentionally) when they told us the islands in Lake Superior were not what we were looking for.

7/05/2006 11:31:00 AM  
Blogger JessiePao said...

Someone... maybe even administrator, suggested that maybe Season 3 jumps to our present day. That what Penelope WIdmore, maybe Rachel n' Middelwerk find out about our Losties will be in flashback to 2004.

Still, I sort of agree with oxillini that TPTB are leading us to believe that R & M are going to our island. But in fact, it's a bait and switch to mess with us ( in a fun way, of course).

7/05/2006 11:35:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

i dont think season 3 will start off in present day. it might move a lttle faster, and have the season 3 finale take place in present day.

seasons 1&2 took place over 65 days. now that we have already been introduced to the setting and characters, maybe each episode will take place over a week, or longer.

7/05/2006 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

it's possible season 3 jumps to present day, i just don't think it's likely. It has taken 2 seasons to cover 60 some days and they'll jump two years in one episode? I think they just intend to fleshout the backstory a little more for the lost addicts. It can't be essential to the series, though because they don't want to alienate the non-hardcore viewers who don't research every little detail. In discussing things within this community, so much is common knowledge that is completely unknown (and unimportant) to the "average" viewer.

7/05/2006 11:41:00 AM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

good morning everyone... we spend so much time listening to the voices of DJ Dan and Tonya... How many times through do some of us listen to them? And when we do transcripts?... we analyze everything they say. And if they were watching the comments a few posts back they would have seen us doing audio analysis on the voices of Rachel and Persephone... I at least would hope that TPTB wouldn't underestimate us enough to use the same character's...

LOVE the saxaphone playing in the background... lol, at first I thought it was a fly sound to implicate that they were meeting in a sewer or something, but after a few times through (like I said earlier) the fly started to sound all jazzy and then I realized it was a sax... smooth Rachel... If I ever have to do any espionage-style meetings I'll have to hire a sax player for some background music... and do it near a fountain if it isn't raining...

nice work on the audio analysis fenris... thank you for that

7/05/2006 11:47:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

I don't know if we'll jump to present day, but I think that the game has to have some tie-in to the new season. As a marketing tool, the game will be most effective for ABC if they can have a big revelation at the end of the game and then say "find out more by tuning in for the season premiere..."

7/05/2006 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

the end of this game should come at about the same time as season 3... I hvae thought since the beginning of this game that it would tie into season 3 when it started... They could always do as they did with the "tailies" and just tell the story in flashbacks, but to do that with the entire plot just seems silly to me... I think it will tie in, but just having the plot jump ahead a couple of years just seems crazy to me...

7/05/2006 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger lax01 said...

Guys, don't know if this has been found or how this relates to the Lost ARG, but with the speaker talking about raping and now DJ Dan, type in PYRAMIDS into http://www.sublymonal.com/ and you get a new password (I think new), "LISTEN" and this opens up a new window with a single from Talib Kweli...another marketing ploy? :)

7/05/2006 11:59:00 AM  
Blogger Passafist said...

That Talib Kweli thing has been around forever, I don't think its related to the ARG, only sprite!!

7/05/2006 12:02:00 PM  
Blogger lax01 said...

ahh ok...never seen that before :)

7/05/2006 12:02:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Hey guys! I'm not dead! Just been very busy. Gettin' caught up now.

7/05/2006 12:04:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Well, it is possible for Season 3 to skip ahead 2 years if they spend alot of the season having flashbacks to what had transpired during those 2 years. It would keep it current with the ARG and still "fill" us in as to what happened after the finale of Season 2.

7/05/2006 12:04:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Yeah... Clue #44 has a list of all the easter eggish words you can type in... Some were just advertisements

7/05/2006 12:04:00 PM  
Blogger lax01 said...

wow I feel so out of the loop...guess I can't take any more days off from the Lost arg

7/05/2006 12:08:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Morning Belly - Hope you had a nice 4th...

I can see the ARG ending as a complete tie in to next season. How? I have no idea, but I could se it leading right up to the Lost intro screen...

7/05/2006 12:09:00 PM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

It'll be interesting - they can't have the show depend on the game's plot, because they won't want to alienate the viewers who haven't played the game, but part of the idea of the game has to be to get people interested in the new season and the show in general. Who wants to bet there's a clue or something on the season 2 DVD set when it comes out?

Maybe this story will tie more in to the surprise in the finale than to the losties?

7/05/2006 12:09:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Good morning maven :)

It's only been a matter of a few months so far on the show... think of how confused we were at the beginning of Season 2 when we saw this guy listening to music and cooking and excersizing and whatnot... I picked up the remote and checked the info to make sure I was on the right show... If they were to jump ahead 2 years, the entire world could be different: People could be dead, Sun would have already done that thing with the thing (censored for the UK), pen could have found des (somewhate censored) etc.... it would be a completely different world from what we know now... but, then again, Season 2 was NOTHING like season 3... opening the hatch changed our heads in the Lost universe quite a bit, so I wouldn't put it past TPTB to do the same thing with season 3, but even considering that, it still seems pretty crazy to jump ahead 2 years.... we'll just have to wait and see.... VERY EAGER to find out tho...

7/05/2006 12:10:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Hey Belly and Thrash congrats on being named as new Admin!

7/05/2006 12:13:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

belly: what if the ARG finshes up with a "now you know what happens, tune in to the season premierer to find out what set the ball in motion!"? That keeps the show independent of the game (for the non-ARG addicts) but ties the show to the game for the players. TPTB could then basically keep including little nods to the players for the entire season (or show).

7/05/2006 12:13:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Annebeth - Nice call on Walt+Mum. This stuff really does tie into the game. If Mittlewerk has some special powers it could well come from his special infusions and perhaps the children of infused adults are particularly special.

Also the disease on the Lost Island could be the same one that Alvar Hanso had which is a side effect some (most?) develope after this blood infusion treatment?

This is where the experience remains cool, these little links with the series.

Btw, I can give Tonya a try but the woman in Rachels clip doesn't say a lot so I'll struggle to find any kind of similar phrase making comparing it so inacurate it won't tell us much one way or the other.

7/05/2006 12:14:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Since so many of the TLER bloggers are on... wanna get on chatzy?

7/05/2006 12:16:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Belly: I agree with you that a lot would have had to happen if 2 years went by. But TV producers do crazy things sometimes (remember "it was all a dream" from "Dallas"?). They could open with a screenshot of: October 2006 and go from there. A lot of the backstories of the characters have already been done (with a lot of questions for us, of course), so this would give them a whole season of backstories of the last two years. I don't know. The 2004/2006 issue has always been a problem for me. This would be one way to solve it.

7/05/2006 12:16:00 PM  
Blogger Ethros said...

with mittlewerk being tested on and the whole special ship they are building and the map of an island near the equator, does that mean mittlewerk is headed to the island in the show????

7/05/2006 12:20:00 PM  
Blogger MD said...

Betcha anything that someone is taking a trip to Zanzibar.

That yellow fever vaccination stings!

7/05/2006 12:22:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

I think it does. All of the immunizations make sense.

7/05/2006 12:22:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Thanks Crossfade!

Chatzy has been giving me fits today...I will try later...

7/05/2006 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

make sure you use a capital S

7/05/2006 12:25:00 PM  
Blogger minnesotawriter said...

Allow me to receive all critcism. But, haven't we all lost meaning to this struggle? Advertising and ridiculous Mittlewerk nonsense aside, isn't the true stuggle surrounded around the mysteries of Lost? A truly great story, and even greater characters; there is beauty in all of this. We are consumed by this foolish game. Just stop the insanity, and let's wait until Season 3 begins. I am sorry for intruding upon everyone's relentless clue-searching; but, the real answers will arrive in September.

7/05/2006 12:29:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Crossfade - It gives me a time out error, might be my network...

7/05/2006 12:31:00 PM  
Blogger Olerica said...

Quoted from Fenris: "Come on production crew, this isn't rocket science to make this believable your just being downright sloppy! This is the kind of production I'd expect for a radio show, which is all well and good except for the fact this is an ARG not a radio show. It's actually like they've put effort into making it sleek and polished. I'm actually tempted to edit that audio to make it more believable as a covert recording. Seems pointless but I just want to time it and see how much effort it would have been for them to do it."

I wonder if the bad 'production quality' is "in game". Perhaps they've captured Rachael and are using her to trick us. It's been shown that they are watching us (Gary Troup's incorrect plane down date/now corrected).

I suspect that there are and will continue to be more twists and turns.

Sorry, I don't post much, just a lurker with a theory.

7/05/2006 12:31:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

crossfade: thank you for the congrats... I'm sorry, but I can't get on chatzzy from work... wish I could, tho.

maven: true... since this game started, the chronological difference has stood out quite a bit more. I hope, if they do tie the two in together, that they do so without any continuity issues... either way, (other than repeats) I haven't been let down before by he producers of the show and until I have been, I won't be expecting it.

7/05/2006 12:33:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

MNwriter - The subtleties of The Lost Experience ARG They're 4 me & the rest of us who are interested...

If you can wait until "Sept" & the 6 episodes to air before another 3 month break and don't want any additional info, backstory or tasty Lymon. I won't be forcing you!!

7/05/2006 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

the show could be the "what's going on in the past" portion of the whole LOST Epic. and the show and game will tag-off w/ each other as one ends the other will begin, keeping in mind that according to comments made by the LOST producers, it could be based on actual events that they are trying to expose. and as the show progresses, it could eventually catch up to us now, somehow. not sure how but that's why i'm not a TV producer

7/05/2006 12:40:00 PM  
Blogger alphaminor said...

I think that going to africa is unlikely.what would be the piont? also I doubt that Mittlework would need to get organs from africa for himself as I am sure he has the resources to get them elsehwere Also someone earlier said that only Black people get sickle cell which is not true. They tend to get it more than other groups.

7/05/2006 12:40:00 PM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

this is just something that i noticed recently that i'd never heard anyone else mention; but the woman Cindy from the Tail section, is actually the same Cindy that Gary Troup was in love w/ and she defended the Other guy who attacked Ana-Lucia. then she was kidnapped, that was interesting, everyone probably already knows

7/05/2006 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

On Flikr one of Manny's contacts JWH1972 posted Switzerland, 1973

What can we make of it?

7/05/2006 12:56:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

olerica: yeah, with all of these subtle mistakes being made and covered up so quickly, it's hard to determine what's "in game" and what's not... we will probably have to wait until the end of the game for a lot of these questions to be answered, and even then, I think there's going to be opened doors that we wish were closed...

thank you for lurking and even more for commenting.. please comment more often when you have thoughts like this.. we love as much interaction as possible.. :D

thrasher: not sure what to think of that... strange. You are familiar with Lena's research on JWH1972, right?

7/05/2006 01:00:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

sorry... should have included this link in that last post, just in case...

7/05/2006 01:02:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Yes I am! I am trying to get her to wake up and talk to me about it...I guess I will just have to wait...

And I second that! Keep posting and interacting, many minds go into solving clues and building theories, it is the cornersotne of this site.

7/05/2006 01:05:00 PM  
Blogger minnesotawriter said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

7/05/2006 01:05:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

I think that JWH pic could be a press conference of either Alvar Hanso or Enzo Valenzetti.

7/05/2006 01:06:00 PM  
Blogger minnesotawriter said...

Marcus--

I agree, we are all in this together, but, I must point out that the true end to our struggle is the great story that is LOST. It seems that in this ARG (of which I am a huge fan, admittedly), we forget the great narrative that is LOST. Mittlewerk, Hanso, and Valenzetti aside, we really should be discussing LOST, and/or what the show is trying to tell us. If I am way off-base, please feel free to ridicule me; I'm just a Bizarro-fiction writer in Japan trying to make sense of it all. P.S. I love this blog and all the commenters! It passes the time between watching LOST on Winamp and teaching strange Japanese students!

7/05/2006 01:10:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Too bad his head is down and you can't get a look at the face...looks like someone we WANT to know....

7/05/2006 01:11:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

thrasher: i thought his head was wrapped. maybe in a cast?

7/05/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

There is now a way to access the Hanso site pre-shuttdown...

The Hanso Foundation

Check it out!

7/05/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

yeah, looks like it is is wrapped to me too

7/05/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

I have a question re the link Rachel put in her post today: She shows the two pages from the Cape Town Inquisitor. However the dates have been changed from the previous ones we saw. And photos are different. Originally it was dated May 26, 2006 and had the "lung" picture. Now it's November 9, 2001 and has a photo of a syringe in a lab labelled "organ harvesting". The retraction page of May 29, 2006 is now November 12, 2001. There's now a pic of a happy hospital patient with a doctor and assit (no Dr. Amy Honale) and there's no Joop, just a pic of "African" bush. What gives? Another blooper?

7/05/2006 01:19:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

great catch Maven!!!!

7/05/2006 01:22:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Thanks, noblelawyer. But I need to change the Timeline if this is what TPTB want us to know now, and they goofed in the previous hack!

7/05/2006 01:23:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

maybe it has happened more than once? (although seems weird that the article would remain the same with only the pictures changing if that were the case.)

7/05/2006 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

As far as I can tell, the articles are the same. Just the date and photos (seems photos were ones that were on THF website: the lung, Joop, and Dr. Amy Honale). Maybe they want to erase the link to the website. Although, I have seen that hack that lets us back into THF the other day.

7/05/2006 01:27:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

I am going into the site that was emailed us and retracing the steps to get to that point to see if they changed them there...

7/05/2006 01:28:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

maybe we just have to add both dates, the 2006 and 2001 to the timeline with an asterick or something noting possible conflict/mistake by TPTB

7/05/2006 01:29:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

thrasher, your link to pre-hanso shutdown site doesn't seem to be working (at least not for me)

7/05/2006 01:31:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Great Idea, both are in question now...do they think we would not catch this? Nice job Maven!!!!

7/05/2006 01:31:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

thrasher: have you tried figurehead in there? was it supposed to go in mittelwerk's login box?

7/05/2006 01:32:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Well, thrasher, what do you think I should do on the Timeline? May 2006 or Nov. 2001 for this info? It's a big difference! (Also, having a problem with blogger republishing my post. It just keeps repeating and nothing happens.)

7/05/2006 01:33:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

http://thehansofoundation.org/adkahdskja2897429834ahjkncawuye32782374/hanso_noshutdown.swf

Here it is typed out, I had to reload it twice to work, I am in right now, using that link...

7/05/2006 01:33:00 PM  
Blogger minnesotawriter said...

Oyasumi nasai.

7/05/2006 01:34:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

thanks thrasher

7/05/2006 01:34:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Maven: I haven't been able to load pictures in blogger for two weeks.

7/05/2006 01:35:00 PM  
Blogger Shakey said...

minnesotawriter:

Your comments would be valid and accurate if you understood what this game is about.

From the very beginning the purpose of this game is to flesh out the world in which the show runs in. As this game has progressed we do find ourselves making tie-ins with the show, and ultimately it gives us more solid theories on what we have seen in 2 series.

Nobody at any stage has said this game will answer questions in the show and tell us what is to come.

This game is to Lost what Elf Song is to Lord of the Rings, what the military roster is to the Iliad: flavour and fleshing out the world so we may enjoy the main story even more.

I, for one, am loving the information we are gaining here and how it's deepened our imagination about what we see in the show.

Without this game I'd just think "freaky magnet thing's turned the sky red - wtf???" and accuse the show of going down the self-destructive route X-Files did. WITH this game I'm thinking electromagnetic cloaking, testing grounds for THF's endgame, psychological experimentation and many other things.

It's not going to affect my enjoyment of the show or following the story, but I can cross-reference future story twists with this game and have good fuel for discussion over a beer.

In regards to everybody's comments on season 3 starting in 2006, I feel that's misguided considering what's happened at the end of season 2.

*** SPOILER ***







3 of the core members of the group have been abducted and forcibly held away from the rest. How are they going to cope with Jack's securing presence, Sawyer's antagonism and Kate's ass? How is Hurley going to handle keeping secrets from them AND explain where Michael's gone?

We also need to know what's happened to Eko, Locke and Desmond after the failsafe was activated, perhaps explaining what Swan station's purpose was and why after all this time the 108 countdown WAS legitimate.

Plus, Penelope Widmore's efforts to find "it" seem to be successful - but is "it" the EM pulse triggered by the 108 countdown?

There is too much immediate fallout to resolve to simply just jump forward 2 years.

Unless, of course, the passage of time has been altered on the island, so even though we have witnessed and they've experienced 55-odd days the rest of the world really has covered 2 years.

But that would just suck.

7/05/2006 01:37:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Hanso site

Try again!

7/05/2006 01:37:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Yeah, crossfade, it has been acting up lately. It's a little frustrating at times. I just checked the Timeline. It seems to be uptodate for now. What do you think I should do about the update/correction(?)
on the Cape Town Inquisitor info?

7/05/2006 01:38:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Put a note to it on the side.

7/05/2006 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger firesign3000 said...

@minnesotawriter-
in a way with all the clue solving and so on we are slowly revealing backstory that is directly lost related. we are learning more of the history of the dharma initiative, about those who were/are behind the project, about the valenzetti equation (which i think will become important in saeson 3, etc etc. this blog is for the tle arg directly, in order to analyze these clues so as to have more of this backstory revealed, so in that way we ARE discussing lost. there are lots of other blogs that deal just with the show and not the arg. this one is for the arg.

7/05/2006 01:41:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

maven -- I don't think this is a goof by TPTB (for once). I think the date change is legitimate. Here's what you guys have to ask yourselves:

Why would Rachel give us documents from 2001?

Why would Persephone give us documents from 2006?

If Rachel is Persephone, why give a different set of documents?

7/05/2006 01:41:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Well, Matt, you're still saying Rachel is not Persephone?

7/05/2006 01:47:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

due to the conflicting dates, and the previous discussions in these comments regarding time travel and MTPs comments - what if persephone was rachel's MOTHER? Rachel is pickup up where here mother left off? Would explain some things to me.

7/05/2006 01:47:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Be more specific, noblelawyer. It doesn't explain things for me.

7/05/2006 01:53:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

maven asked, "Well, Matt, you're still saying Rachel is not Persephone?"

Think about it.

Why would Rachel give one set of documents...

... and Persephone give another set?

Different dates. Different pictures. Even different text in places?

If Rachel is Persephone, why would she give us two different versions of the exact same newspaper?

Something is not right here.

7/05/2006 01:54:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Maybe P is RB's mother. That could explain the similar vocal patterns.

7/05/2006 01:57:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

my problem with RB=P has always been the radical change in MOD. P's clues/hacks had a certain sophistication to them, conversions from binary, ASCII, checking source codes etc... RB is all physical espi. And P's last clues (the creepy picture with the numbers backwords) well she was saying "Help," at least I heard it as part of the audio playing over the numbers. Then that was the last we ever heard from P until RB said she was P. But if P was RB's mother would explain RB's vendetta against HANSO, and provide a motive for why she is doing this - that is find her mother or what happened to her. RB is simply saying she is now P to carry on her mother's work. That is not to say I do not think RB could not be P, just that she may not be.

7/05/2006 02:00:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Reminding everyone to go to the research blog!

http://www.thelostexperienceresearch.blogspot.com/

7/05/2006 02:00:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

I agree with matt that something certainly doesn't sit right regarding Rachel=Persephone. My thing is, what if Rachel is supposed to be Persephone and TPTB have simply made so many blunders, they're having trouble selling us on that? They went so far as to have Rachel tell us she is Persephone on her blog. Whole thing sounds forced to me. Like TPTB are saying R=P, get over it and ignore the inconsistencies.

7/05/2006 02:01:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Definitely, something is not right here! It's like any link to THF website has been erased from these two versions. Maybe I'm just not as skeptical as you are, Matt, but my gut still tells me it was a blooper that TPTB finally got around to correcting. Of all the "hospitals" that THF supposedly have around the world why would Rachel give us an example of the one that was involved in the Inquisitor hack?

I do believe the Rachel's mother was somehow involved with THF, either as an employee or receipient of their evil doing. She could have died in that hospital in Cape Town? So this is a personal vendetta. It also leaves the question open as to who her father is? Alvar?

7/05/2006 02:04:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

Hey everyone! I need a favor...

Who has podcast 6-30 transcript already up on a website? I know settrn transcibed it, but need a quick link to it for the blog.

And, when someone has the new podcast transcribed and up on the web, shot me that too!! I will give the kudos to everyone who helps.

Thanks
team lena

PS...sorry...in a hurry, got LOADS of stuff to do with research...not trying to be lazy :)

7/05/2006 02:12:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Lena, check the Timeline. It's on there.

7/05/2006 02:13:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

here is way to reach me...

AIM: lostteamlena

yahoo: lenaw70

7/05/2006 02:14:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

cool, thanks maven!

7/05/2006 02:14:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

I'm not sure if he's the one that initially discovered the method for accessing the THF site, but someone named MD1500 is the one that emailed it in to our mailbox.

This will come in very handy in the future... so long as they don't get wise and remove this access from us... it would have been easier to do an analysis on the voices for R=P if we could have just gone onto the site to get them...

7/05/2006 02:16:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

sorry maven, dont see any transcipt there...am i being dingy and missing it?

7/05/2006 02:17:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

I agree with you Matt. There is a lot of fishy stuff going on now. I really don't trust Rachel and the fact is the only proof we have about her being Persephone is that she said so. If I told everyone that I was really Josh Holloway, I'm pretty sure people wouldn't just accept that. Okay, people may say "but the voices" but by that logic DJ Dan is Pete Thompson. That whole mess up means we have a lot less proof for that argument then we had before because voice similarity may now be irrelevent. Speaker seems to be talking as if it's fact, but that doesn't mean it is. If you take away the voice there is a lot of evidence saying that she isn't Persephone and only her say so that she is.

Add this to a lot of the questionable stuff she's been giving us, her funds that are both apparently running out and still healthy enough for plane tickets and bribes and the way she doesn't answer any of the difficult questions people give her. I'm starting to think she may not be our allie after all. Certainly I'm thinking her blog entries are full of...what's the expression? Oh yeah - short sentances.

Then again maybe that's just because of the slightly poor production and organisation of this act of the ARG. I don't know which one to be hoping for right now.

7/05/2006 02:17:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Belly: It was cypeRRunner at 4815162342.com. He always posts his hacks with SPOILER. What do you think the two versions of Inquisitor means, and which one should be on the Timeline?

7/05/2006 02:19:00 PM  
Blogger LittleTigerOne said...

BellyofDesire,

Your link did not work (to THF) - can you repost it, pretty please? Thanks!

LT

7/05/2006 02:19:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

JB said...
Here's the first page of the DJ Dan podcast. Transcribing the rest right now.


Voice over: Coming to you live from Stonehenge

Singers: DJ Dan!

Voice over: You’re listening to DJ Dan, shutting down the man

DJ Dan: Yep, we’re coming to you live. I’m shutting down the man, that’s the plan so you don’t know the what hit the fan. So much for my hip hop career.

Tanya: Come on, Dan, you’re old school.

DJ Dan: Yep, hang a grandfather clock around my neck that’s how old school I am. Speaking of, I call myself a DJ but how often do you ever hear me play music? Yeah, jump on that, Conspiraspies. *laughs* We’re having a good time today ladies and GMOs (?) we’re in our blue track suits. We have our name brand white sneakers. That’s right we’re celebrating the anniversary of Heaven’s Gate!

Cheering in the background

DJ Dan: Cults, people, we’re talking about cults. Tanya, you got a favorite?

Tanya: Uh, what about those guys with the red scarves you know, who just said they cloned their leader?

DJ Dan: Good one, but you know, you know I mean I have a soft spot for the Heaven’s Gaters, you know the sheer ambition just gets me, okay. They killed themselves to hitch a ride on a comet. It’s kind of poetic. So my sweet conspiraspies, are you in a cult? Were you in a cult? Are you about to drink the Kool-Aid? Are you making the Kool-Aid? Call us first, tell us all about it. Let’s take Mike from Texas. Suwee! Mike! Got a shotgun under the seat?

Mike: You betcha, DJ Dan.

DJ Dan: Don’t mess with Mikey. Mikey, what is your cult connection?

Mike: Well I’m listening to the Cult.

DJ Dan: That’s a band you dink. People, do I have to explain? No self-respecting cult calls itself a cult! The Cult itself is not a cult and even if it spawned a cult it certainly would not be a cult. SHUTDOWN! Bo (?) from Minnesota. Hear you spotted a cult in your home town.

Bo: Yes, sir. My nephew joined these bald chanting guys, you know dancing, handing out flowers in the street.

7/05/2006 09:57:56 AM

7/05/2006 02:19:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

oxillini said, "What if Rachel is supposed to be Persephone and TPTB have simply made so many blunders, they're having trouble selling us on that? They went so far as to have Rachel tell us she is Persephone on her blog. Whole thing sounds forced to me. Like TPTB are saying R=P, get over it and ignore the inconsistencies."

Not our fault. They shouldn't have made so many damn errors, then. Now they've mucked up the waters, and we can't tell the difference between a mistake on their part and a damn clue.


belly0fdesire said, "This will come in very handy in the future... so long as they don't get wise and remove this access from us... it would have been easier to do an analysis on the voices for R=P if we could have just gone onto the site to get them..."

I have all known clips of "Persephone" speaking on my website.

7/05/2006 02:20:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Lena: It's not a transcript. Just the audio. I think there is a transcript further up on these comments.

7/05/2006 02:20:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

JB said...
Second half of DJ Dan podcast transcript

DJ Dan: Chanting guys! Chanting guys! They’re not a cult! Everybody knows they’re a front for extra terrestrials! SHUTDOWN! Come on people, give me something real. Anthony from Petosky (?), Michigan. That in the thumb, Anthony?

Anthony: Um, more in the pinky finger? Anyways, DJ Dan, I think my grandma was in a cult.

DJ Dan: Grandma’s don’t join cults. SHUTDOWN! Just kidding. Continue, I’m captivated.

Anthony: Um, well she was getting her doctorate in, I think, Psych at the University of Michigan in the 60’s. And she joined this group, I guess, called the Karma Imperative or something.

DJ Dan: The Karma Imperative? Okay, now that sounds like a cult.

Anthony: Yeah! And um well, she told my mom about how she was going with uh the Karma Imperative to some place in the South Pacific.

DJ Dan: Uh, island, continent, cruise ship? What are we talking about here? Come on give me something.

Anthony: Um, she just said it was, I think, the Flame or the Fire?

DJ Dan: Moving on, moving on

Anthony: Well, they never heard from her after that! It was like, early 70s when she went. Nobody at the University heard about the Karma Imperative. And well, they had like a funeral for her and everything!

DJ Dan: Well, that is a tragedy. A human, real life tragedy. It makes me sick, Anthony. Sick! These repugnant, selfish, clannish, crony-ish, mystical, brain washing pieces of dung that take away our loved ones. Conspiraspies, you heard it. Anthony from Petosky has lost his grandmother to the Karma Imperative. You know what to do. You know who you are. I need some dirt on Karma so we can find Anthony’s granny and SHUTDOWN the man! Back after these messages.

Voice over: You’re listening to DJ Dan, shutting down the man.

7/05/2006 10:12:01 AM

7/05/2006 02:20:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

MNwriter-- no ridiculing required, yet *winks* Within this ARG there may not be a direct effect on the TV show and what we are encountering. There is the probable 2-year time difference and this blog is about the ARG and giving us a perspective on the island, so all realms of related discussion should be welcome, but in the end we are all working toward the endgame of this ARG.

Shakey way to make it more succinct:
There is too much story left to tell and NOT in flashback. No need for me to reiterate your story points!!

minnesotawriter said..
I agree, we are all in this together, but, I must point out that the true end to our struggle is the great story that is LOST...Mittlewerk, Hanso, and Valenzetti aside, we really should be discussing LOST, and/or what the show is trying to tell us. If I am way off-base, please feel free to ridicule me

7/05/2006 02:23:00 PM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

Guys, I jumped in on this story only about a few days ago... can anybody tell me... did persephony have a blog too?

About Persephony being Rachel Blake's mother: huh, but Rachel gives us info from 2001, and persephony gives us info from 2006. Wouldn't it be the other way around then?

7/05/2006 02:23:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

there you go Lena, pre-posted JB's transcript for ya.

7/05/2006 02:23:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

noblelawyer: thanks for that btw..


Does anyone have the two last transcripts on the web? NOT in download form? I really have hard time with geocities right now cuz I have to open different browser and it slows machine down BAD! LOL

I really need LINKS to someones already put on web transcripts!!

7/05/2006 02:25:00 PM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

and I have another tiny question, about Persephony in a hospital gown... what did you guys think that was about? Why was she in a hospital gown?

7/05/2006 02:27:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

lena: you should really find a place to host all of these... boomspeed is where I do most of my hosting.. but until then, matt posted a link to the transcipt a few posts back...

littletigerone: try this one... it should work..

matt: I'll keep that in mind for the next time I'm huntin' for something... thank you

7/05/2006 02:27:00 PM  
Blogger ncamren said...

I went to the Hanso site in order to go back and see the things I missed the week I was on vacation, and so far, the "light sequence again" part (clue #50) isn't running. I keep getting the "Sorry, connection timed out" message.

7/05/2006 02:29:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

ncamren: that "light sequence again" game is insanity's waiting room.... I'll find a way for you to access that clue, but trust me... you don't want to play...

7/05/2006 02:31:00 PM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

Trash, thanks a lot for the hanso site!
I just joined the ARG a few days ago (because I live in the Netherlands, I allmost hasn't heard about it) and now I can see the things I missed :)

How did you find this link?

7/05/2006 02:31:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

annebeth: There was no P blog.

There have been a lot of inconsistencies in this ARG so far. TPTB have made many errors. Look at the islands are in Lake Superior fiasco! I believe they were listening to us discussing whether or not R=P, and actually wanted to set the record straight and had Rachel come out and say I'm P. Get over it, let's move on! But they don't realize how skeptical some of us are. Some, like me, like to go with the flow, and follow the story the way TPTB want us to (even with the errors). Everything so far has been pretty straightforward storywise, I just guess TPTB didn't expect us to dissect everything to the nth degree! They have to throw in corrections, or explanations to move the story ahead. They don't want us to get bogged down in their mistakes or misconceptions. I may be naive when it comes to ARGs (it is my first time doing this), but all of the plot lines have been pre-determined a long time ago, things are playing out the way they intended (except when they have to make those darn corrections or to set us towards the correct paty.

Sorry for the vent.

7/05/2006 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Sorry: paty=path

7/05/2006 02:36:00 PM  
Blogger ncamren said...

The password for Clue #51 doesn't do anything either. The Persephone prompt shows up, but the password does nothing.

Same goes for "recluse" in Clue #54. The Persephone links haven't been added back into the site starting at Clue #50. Which, by the way, happens to be everything I missed while I was gone. Grr.

7/05/2006 02:38:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

maven - i also want to go with the flow, and for the sake of game progression will say that RB=P, however I remain skeptical and believe it is good to discuss this skepticism, but not to get bogged down in it, with others incase it pans out.
At the moment we seem to be between clues, no one seems to have any new ideas as to the significance of Mittlewerk's vaccinations and transfusions so while we wait for another clue, what can it hurt to examine rb=p debate particularly since RB has now made at least two references to her mother to indicate that her mother may be the reason RB is doing all this.

7/05/2006 02:38:00 PM  
Blogger LittleTigerOne said...

Thanks BoD!! That one worked ....:-)

LT (just call me LT - would have signed up as LT1 but someone stol...um...already had it)

7/05/2006 02:39:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Okay, so then there is no real need for me to go over THF website to find it at this point, maybe for fun or as a refference...Thanks Matt, I like your site...good stuff there!

7/05/2006 02:41:00 PM  

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