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Clue #70 - Rachel Blake Italy Post 04

Rachel's got a new post. It is about a boat she found called the Helgus Antonius. Let's keep our eyes out for more though!






Also, we have a few links that let you back into the old Hanso Site posted on our sidebar along with other useful information like Speaker's weekly round-ups and our Research Blog. Check it out!

Thanks to Annebeth for being the first to email us about this.

707 Comments:

Blogger j7chico said...

first

7/06/2006 08:19:00 AM  
Blogger Rick said...

third

7/06/2006 08:23:00 AM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

phew, bout time we got a new comment section

7/06/2006 08:29:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

Well if you're giving up second to be third rick then I'll have second!

7/06/2006 08:29:00 AM  
Blogger Songbird61 said...

So have we decided if the translation is "Holy Flower" or "weekend antonym" (which is the translation from Swedish)?

And WHY can we now access THF site (albeit with a slightly different address)?

Songbird61

7/06/2006 08:35:00 AM  
Blogger j7chico said...

do you guys really think there is meaning to the boat's name helgus antonius? Could there be an anagram?

7/06/2006 08:35:00 AM  
Blogger locked on lost said...

I don't know if it matters in the name of the ship, but I noticed the letter i is small case. "HELGUS ANTONiUS"

7/06/2006 08:35:00 AM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

isn't a 'weekday' a weekend antonym? idunno

7/06/2006 08:36:00 AM  
Blogger EviL^^ said...

Saint Anthony patron saint of traveler and lost things as "Oli" said ?

7/06/2006 08:37:00 AM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

one anagram of helgus antonius is "Hanso Unglues It"

7/06/2006 08:38:00 AM  
Blogger christy said...

I don't think it is a lower-case i, just a scratched up letter - look at the ones to the right of it.

7/06/2006 08:42:00 AM  
Blogger americanpi said...

I don't think that it is a lowercase i. It looks like it is an uppercase I with part of it scratched out

7/06/2006 08:42:00 AM  
Blogger christy said...

americanpi, JINX! you owe me a coke. :)

7/06/2006 08:43:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

That is not a lower-case i, just a scratched up letter. Also, those containers are empty or loaded with feathers, because that ship is riding high!

7/06/2006 08:44:00 AM  
Blogger Dazzedelf said...

It's not fair if she just posts the pictures we can't spend 2-3 hours trying to find them hidden somewhere on a website. I think it's past time for a video and the RoT people are late with a posting they didn't do their traditional wednesday night babble. Slackers!!

7/06/2006 08:45:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

Also, these photoshops are getting really bad, look at the picture of the ship leaving with the tug at its side, the ropes are still across the letters because TPTB didn't edit them out. Also, looks like they used MS Paint to black out the actual shipping co. on all the container ends.

7/06/2006 08:46:00 AM  
Blogger lost & confused 2 said...

If you look at both pictures it is a lower case i. It wouldn't be scratched the same on the side of the ship and on the back. Also if this is his new ship why is it so scratched up?

7/06/2006 08:47:00 AM  
Blogger Furious Panda said...

What 'different' address are you accessing the Hanso Foundation website on Songbird?

7/06/2006 08:47:00 AM  
Blogger Dazzedelf said...

well that can't have corporate logos on anything that's not hanso, widmore, paik, monster, verizon, jeep or Sprite.

7/06/2006 08:48:00 AM  
Blogger AlohaPrincess said...

Creepy boat. Is it just me or does one of the people look like Marvin Candel (or whatever he's going by these days)? The guy in white...

7/06/2006 08:48:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

lost & confused: I don't think this is his new ship. At least I really hope not.

7/06/2006 08:49:00 AM  
Blogger lost & confused 2 said...

excuse my last post. When I look at the pictures again all the shots are from behind. For some reason when I first looked I thought one of the pictures was from the side.

7/06/2006 08:50:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

lost & confused: I don't see a picture of the side of the ship, which one are you talking about?

7/06/2006 08:51:00 AM  
Blogger AlohaPrincess said...

Yeah what's the new url?

I never noticed this before - searched Hanso on Google, and the site description is "Spin-off site about the company mentioned in 'Orientation'. Provides clues for fans of the series." So much for 'reality' of the game lol.

7/06/2006 08:52:00 AM  
Blogger Songbird61 said...

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/adkahdskja2897429834ahjkncawuye32782374/hanso_noshutdown.swf

Takes you to THF site ...

Songbird61

7/06/2006 08:54:00 AM  
Blogger AlohaPrincess said...

lost & confused 2 are you sure? Unless the pictures were taken at different times (when the ship was being loaded, another when it set sail) I think they may be from different sides. In the close-up there's all these ropes in front of it, and the light on the left side seems to be 3 crate columns over. But on the last picture there's no ropes and the light seems to be 4 crates over. Maybe I'm being too picky here and all this means nothing, though, so....yeah.

7/06/2006 08:57:00 AM  
Blogger Wertzmeister said...

Wow, that's a really poor Photoshop job, especially on the crate that had the Hanso Foundation logo on it. You can really tell it's fake...

7/06/2006 08:58:00 AM  
Blogger locked on lost said...

When I went to THF site, it even has the skip intro. option - which we lost about 2 clues in? I think this is another way to do all the clues for those who haven't yet. Once you do them all it will close again. I can't say for sure without doing it, but I remember hearing chatter about how to get on the site to do it all over again.

7/06/2006 08:58:00 AM  
Blogger AlohaPrincess said...

songbird where did you find that url?

7/06/2006 08:58:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I tried going through the clues in order on the new THF link to the old site but I couldn't get the mouthpiece to work in Hugh McIntyre's profile. I am going to suggest then that NOT all the clues work on this site. Unless someone tells me otherwise.

I had no problems getting it to work on Evils backup site though.

7/06/2006 09:00:00 AM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

haha, i found another anagram for Helgus Antonius: Hanso Guile Nuts

7/06/2006 09:04:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

I think talk of "Helgus Antonius" anagrams is a rabbit trail. There are soooo many possibilities. The helgus and antonius stuff in wikipedia are better leads.

I wouldn't take the Lake Superior islands off the table yet. Could still be related to the DeGroots (who were apparently just brought up in DJDan's latest podcast).

7/06/2006 09:05:00 AM  
Blogger Nannie said...

I don't know if anyone fancies helping out:
Used to be able to access LostPedia fine. Now, with the same browser, equipment etc, it gives me error 403 Forbidden (I don't have access to it).

Any ideas?

7/06/2006 09:05:00 AM  
Blogger lost & confused 2 said...

aloha,
Yes, I'm pretty sure. When you look at how the crates are stacked all of the pictures are from behind.
I think the reason I thought they were from different sides is because in the last picture there are more scratches.

7/06/2006 09:06:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

just added the link to the old hanso site in the sidebar of the front page

7/06/2006 09:06:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

Wizard, you said in the last blog that Polar Bear is still needed on the ROT site. You're right.

But I'm saying this because last night or this morning (don't know for sure), I could type anything I want and it all worked... isn't that weird?

7/06/2006 09:06:00 AM  
Blogger Wertzmeister said...

locked on lost, do you mean that you lost the skip intro option when the site was actually working? Because I know I never lost the ability to skip the intro (which I usually did, there's only so many times I could deal with that woman) until the very last clue on there.

7/06/2006 09:06:00 AM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

I'm not saying that it is definitely an anagram, but if you take out the letters that spell "HANSO" from "Helgus Antonius" you get far fewer results.

7/06/2006 09:07:00 AM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

I always able to access the "continue to main site" link as well, there was never a time that I couldn't click it, I only listened to that woman the first time i visited the site.

7/06/2006 09:10:00 AM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

just checked out Amazon for Helgus Antonio, not an author. And Admin. you didn't own up to your end of the bargain....

7/06/2006 09:10:00 AM  
Blogger martin_cc said...

I agree, anagrams of "Helgus Antonius" are futile. But in the other thread there was mention of a translation into "Holy Flower" or "Flower of Life", which sounds a bit more like it, perhaps? "Weekend Antonym" is not translatable into Swedish as Helgus Antonius.
And yes, on closer inspection, the ropes in the last picture over the lettering is REALLY sloppy!

Good call on the fact that the boat is riding very high in the water, maybe the crates are empty and they are going elsewhere to pick up some cargo???

7/06/2006 09:10:00 AM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

why would she suspect that they're only going to the mediteranian? did i miss something?

7/06/2006 09:11:00 AM  
Blogger locked on lost said...

Wertzmeister and horse007, I did lose that option, weird... I don't know why then! I had to watch that woman EVERY time!

7/06/2006 09:12:00 AM  
Blogger j7chico said...

administrator is right, the helgus stuff in wikipedia seems like what we are looking for

7/06/2006 09:12:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

These are all the options if you want to incluse Hanso:

http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=Helgus+Antonius&include=Hanso&exclude=&d=&n=&m=&source=adv&a=n&l=n&q=n&language=english&where=

nice site btw, administrator :)

7/06/2006 09:12:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

yakobus,
you're right...I totally forgot. I'll make good, I promise.
Forgive me for that.
:(

7/06/2006 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

it seemed that ship had crates from many different companies. not just hanso.

7/06/2006 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger lost & confused 2 said...

There is also a difference in the amount of crates from the first picture to the fourth picture. There are fewer crates in the fourth picture.

7/06/2006 09:14:00 AM  
Blogger Nannie said...

This is time to say sorry for my anagrams on the RB comments (usage: hunt lions etc). I'm easily amused and couldn't resist *shame*

Don't think it's an anagram myself, though.
There's a Saint Anthony in Canada (Newfoundland), how many others in existence? (My north American geography sucks, so I don't know its proximity to Lake Superior/Mittelwerk map locations)

7/06/2006 09:15:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

i know. if you look at the first picture, it looks like the crane is taking crates off. not putting them on.

7/06/2006 09:15:00 AM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

how did you get that wikipedia stuff for helgus? when i typed it in i didn't get anything

7/06/2006 09:18:00 AM  
Blogger fitz66 said...

Admin if your still there when are we going to get the new podcast

7/06/2006 09:19:00 AM  
Blogger j7chico said...

try helgus/eventology

7/06/2006 09:20:00 AM  
Blogger Songbird61 said...

Found the url from someone on another blog ... can't remember who, I've been surfing so many, sorry.

Songbird61

7/06/2006 09:21:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

I'm curious about the background of this scentences of Rachel:

"I've given up way too much of my life for it to end like this. Please don't let it end like this."

To much of her life... isn't that a bit overreacted? I mean, this trip started only some weeks ago, right?

7/06/2006 09:21:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

wertzmeister: I agree, these are the worst photoshops we've been given yet! I have no idea why Rachel thinks this ship is staying in the Mediterranean. Ummmm, container cargo ships can reach the equator on the other side of the world babe. I'm not saying this one is, but why does she look at that ship and say, "was I wrong about the island near the equator? Is this place in the Mediterranean? Somewhere else? Where is Mittelwerk going???"

7/06/2006 09:22:00 AM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

eventology sounds quite a bit like the nature of the Valenzetti Equation. basically wrapping a mathematical properties around an event; our event would be the annialation of the world

7/06/2006 09:24:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

7/06/2006 09:24:00 AM  
Blogger TachyonXV said...

Another anagram is "halogen sunsuit". Not sure if this means anything though :)

7/06/2006 09:25:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

oxillini:
It would be funny if the ship turns out to be heading to Lake Superior after al ;)

7/06/2006 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

annebeth, if you take into account that she is persephone, she has spent a lot of time hacking their site. and who knows how much time she has spent working on this beforehand. And, perhaps she is eluding to the possiblity that Hanso is responsible for her Mother's disappearance.

7/06/2006 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger Annebeth said...

Oh yeah, that's true :)

7/06/2006 09:29:00 AM  
Blogger americanpi said...

Christy'

Try to Collect!!

7/06/2006 09:31:00 AM  
Blogger ~Cindy~ said...

G Hanso, u let us in
:)

7/06/2006 09:33:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

lostonlost:
I spent the whole duration of act 2 waiting for the hanso woman to finish the intro. I had NEVER seen the link to the main site at all. And I had accessed the site on about 20 different computers. I think it was just a case of it was there the whole time and I should have scrolled down to see it.

I mentioned in the previous comments about another entry in wiki for halgus antonius. here. Just in case someone finds something important.

7/06/2006 09:38:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Sorry. Spent the whole duration of act 1 (not act 2 as I just posted.

7/06/2006 09:39:00 AM  
Blogger Nannie said...

no help on lack of lostpedia access (error 403: forbidden)?

7/06/2006 09:44:00 AM  
Blogger Thomas Jefferson Snodgrass said...

OT - TLE is invading my life....I'm driving down the road, and look over and see "DeGroot Private Academy" and almost had a wreck, turning to see if it was in game :-)

7/06/2006 09:45:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

very disapointing pics. Container ships do ride higher than other vessels, but this one is riding way to high.

Not all containers (they are NOT called crates) have company names on them. Depends on whether or not they are owned by a shipping company or a container company which leases to shipping companies.

The HANSO container is a 40'

Also the vessel does not have its own cranes, which means it has to be going to a port that has suitable containter cranes. I am fairly positive that this vessel is too large to travel the canals to get into the great lakes, I am also not familiar with any shipping lanes in which container vessel travel from the ocean itno the great lakes.

Of course this is a container vessel which means that the vessel could easily got to New York, where the container would be transfered to a train or truck and then sent anywhere in the United States.

7/06/2006 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I saw mentioned about the mix-up between the back and side of the boat in the pictures.
I thought I was looking at the side in pic 2 as well. Now I realise that pic 1, 2, 3 and 5 are all of the back. But as someone already noted there seems to be less containers in pic 5. Why. You would expect more if anything if this was the last picture taken.

7/06/2006 09:52:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

the pictures might not be in order. so one pic is where the vessel has not been loaded yet with as many containers.

7/06/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

noble: Thanks for the info. I also believe this ship (and her containers) is essentially empty. I had commeneted earlier on how the "blacked-out" ends of the containers were edited laughably bad. Long story short, there are loads of container ports this ship could be headed for (with its empty Hanso containers, SCARY) and we're supposed to sit back until at least this afternoon to hear where it's going.

7/06/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

nannie:

Can you access lostpedia with either of these two links?

link 1

link 2

Or do you get the same error?

7/06/2006 09:55:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

however, that ship is not going to make it with all its containers if it is sailing with those containers in that configuration shown in the last pic. See that big U where no containers are on the back? That screws with the vessel's center of gravity. That ship will be rolling like mad dumping containers on either side if she tries to cross the Atlantic like that - or any major shipping lane for that matter.

7/06/2006 09:58:00 AM  
Blogger lost & confused 2 said...

In picture #5 there are no ropes and it leads us to believe the ship is pulling away from the dock.
So, I assumed containers were take off.
I guess it could be the ship pulling into port not leaving.

7/06/2006 09:58:00 AM  
Blogger ameliacrater said...

This site does seem to be too weird too be true: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Helgus. My apologies to Helgus if this is the legit site for her PhD thesis posting. It (mysteriously?) links to the Russian law firm site that hasn't been updated since 2004 and whose chief attorney is Eric Valdez-Martinez? That name rings a bell from the game, but a search of document came up empty for me. Who knows? Maybe it's linked to the DeGroot Private Academy thomas jefferson snodgrass passed today. Or maybe the Helgus Antonius is sailing to St. Petersberg?

7/06/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

lost & confused: look at the pic with the tug alongside. the ropes are still in the picture (look at the lines across the name and compare them to the picture above) and the tug was edited in.

Come on, ABC interns, earn those credit hours!

7/06/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

Rachel changed the newspaper back.
She changed the newspaper back to the original.

http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/img/hospital/hospital.jpg

Why?

Comparison of original and the second version that Rachel previously had:
http://members.aol.com/mattthepale/p-rb.html#newspaper

What is going on here?

7/06/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger BadgerKyle said...

Wow . . . you guys are awesome! When TPTB said that we would need to collectively work together, I assumed that the extent of it was to use various people's work with the audio, code, and deciphering work . . . but now I see how far this can go! Noblelawyer, you rock! Who knew that we would need to use our expertise in regard to specific matters such as shipping! If we have anything to do with Volleyball, Political Science, or Rhetoric, let me know!

7/06/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

noble: the containers are poorly loaded because the ship in the original picture (that this was made from) was still at the pier. it was not yet ready to sail.

7/06/2006 10:03:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Maybe in pic 4 the hanso container is being removed for some reason.

I was going to have a rant about Rachel but I have done that already today so I will leave it :)

7/06/2006 10:03:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

matt the pale: the answer to your Why? is (in my opinion) because they didn't think they would get caught. Then they realized players (especially yourself) really are watching closely.

7/06/2006 10:05:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

MattthePale: WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THOSE NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS? Are they trying to drive us crazy!

7/06/2006 10:05:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

matt the pale.

WTF.
Yeah - What is going on here. Another blunder? Even the dates have reverted back. I think we will never find out if it was a blunder. TPTB have a terrible habit of not owning up to their mistakes. I will stop there before I go off on another rant.

7/06/2006 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger lost & confused 2 said...

I am finding it hard to believe that this late in the game TPTB are still underestimating us. Are all of these inconsistencies mistakes or to just throw us off and waste are time? I feel like they are trying to baffel us with the B.S.

7/06/2006 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger lost & confused 2 said...

woops...typo our time

7/06/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Biting my tongue hard

7/06/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I see the ropes in pic 5. Well what is left of them after editing them out. Although shoddy. This I can handle. But some of the other things are just crazy. Going out for 5 to clear my head. LOL.

7/06/2006 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

Oh to be a fly on the wall in the debriefing for the ARG production team at the conclusion of this game.

7/06/2006 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Can't wait to hear Rachel's explanation of this screwup!

7/06/2006 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

oxilli - I am sure that the vessel they used for the last pic was in the process of loading/discharging, but in that pic they added the tug which is between the vessel and the piers (you can see the container cranes on the right) if it was coming in the tug would be on the other side. I am just agreeing that this is a poor job done by the ABC interns.

As a result I am putting little to no stock in these photos. Rachel will have to "spell it out" because this was just too poorly done.

I am sure we will learn that the vessel is one of those owned by that shipping company RB traced in Copenhagen which HANSO is involved with - btw, the copenhagen posts don't appear to be on RB's stop hanso blog anymore - I was trying to go do and check out that article about that shipping company.

7/06/2006 10:14:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

maven: well, there was ANOTHER newspaper article, just outside of the viewing angle of my camera, see...

Oh, and there was ANOTHER ship on the other side of the pier from this Helgus Antonius. Carry on....

7/06/2006 10:15:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

oxillini said, "the answer to your Why? is (in my opinion) because they didn't think they would get caught. Then they realized players (especially yourself) really are watching closely."

maven said, "WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THOSE NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS? Are they trying to drive us crazy!"

wizardry_eas said, "WTF. Yeah - What is going on here. Another blunder? Even the dates have reverted back. I think we will never find out if it was a blunder. TPTB have a terrible habit of not owning up to their mistakes. I will stop there before I go off on another rant."


Are they really so foolish as to put up totally different versions of things that they already have? Why do that? Why would they do that to us?

Why not just put up the originals?

I can't believe that this was a simple mistake -- it seems too major.

But we'll never know, will we?

At least I edited LostPedia to reflect the mysterious goings-on.

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Rachel_Blake_Italy_03#Oddities

7/06/2006 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

just in case I am checking Lloyd's shipping registry and seeing of such a vessel name really exists.

oh, and MTP, I can't believe they changed it back again. TBTB are just like HANSO, just removing mistakes with no explanation hoping it is forgotten. Never let them forget!

7/06/2006 10:17:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

oxillini: LOL!!! This is getting kinda ridiculous!

7/06/2006 10:17:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Matt: It should be JUNE 1 hack by Persephone, not JULY.

7/06/2006 10:19:00 AM  
Blogger minipulator said...

I would like to cast my vote for favorite Helgus Antonius anagram for "Insane Hugo Lust".

Is this a Libby clue? :P

7/06/2006 10:20:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I agree matt but after the map pictures fiasco (and the obvious cover-up) I am beginning to think that TPTB really are slipping enough so that this could be a genuine mistake. If we ll just leave it then so will Rachel but if we all complain about it enough then maybe - just maybe, Rachel will give some half hearted reason that will probably make no sense.
We will see.

7/06/2006 10:22:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

FYI: I just checked the Lloyd's Register of Ships for 05-06 and there is not such vessel as Helgus Antonius - could have been surpised if there was but just thought I'd check to make sure.

7/06/2006 10:24:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

that is "would have been"

7/06/2006 10:25:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

nice checking though noblelawyer

7/06/2006 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

maven: how much of this story do you think was written when the game started. do the interns come up with the idea for each new days post at the bar after a long day of poorly editing photos?

7/06/2006 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger blue elephant said...

matt the pale, nice website you have. you've pointed out pretty much every stupid mistake they've made. However, Gary Troup has done many crime novels, but Valenzetti Equation is his sole NON-FICTION book.

7/06/2006 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

hey, I'm just excited that finally there is an area in which I have experience and knowledge in.

7/06/2006 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

blue elephant said, "matt the pale, nice website you have. you've pointed out pretty much every stupid mistake they've made. However, Gary Troup has done many crime novels, but Valenzetti Equation is his sole NON-FICTION book."

This is a continuity error; according to the Gary Troup website, he had written SEVERAL non-fiction books.

http://members.aol.com/mattthepale/website-gt.jpg

7/06/2006 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Well, I've updated the Timeline to reflect the screwup. I did keep Rachel's clippings in with a link now to Matt's edit on Lostpedia re Oddities.
Maybe something will come up as to why this happened that could be ingame. However, when Rachel posts and tries to coverup such an obvious error with some lame excuse, I'll change it AGAIN!

7/06/2006 10:35:00 AM  
Blogger minipulator said...

blue elephant,

Gary Troup has 'written' more than 2 books? Where did we get that from? Every place I've seen only lists Bad Twin and Valenzetti Equation?

7/06/2006 10:36:00 AM  
Blogger blue elephant said...

matt the pale --
ah, I see it now. sorry.

7/06/2006 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Oh well. I will have to go in twenty mins. I hope that anything else that happens will wait until I get back on. 3 hours or so from now. If something does happen then it will probably be more like 5 hours from now I get back to it due to all the catching up.
Catch you all later at some point though.

7/06/2006 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger NoIQ said...

Noblelawyer, and everyone else. If you want to see where the original photo of the cargo container and tug from which this was photoshopped came from, go to link below for royalty-free stock photos. I too am a lawyer -- but my specialty is not shipping lanes, but IP rights. This stock photo source is similar to the one that was originally used on the Hanso site for the pictures of the Executives, the doctor, etc.

http://www.matton.fr/?what=images&nav=info&cd=&img=DV_200298309-001.JPG&pub=DV&enfr=fr

Take note -- the original photo was taken in Hong Kong... I suspect with some more sleuthing, we could find the other ones in the same photo repository too.

7/06/2006 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

GOOD MORNING!!! :)

I am on early! WOW!

Ok, thanks to matt, I was able to get up to speed on those news articles..

My spin on it is, the one that P gave us in the hack was NOT final copy. Maybe the pics in there are more or less, place holders.

The new version was the final print, as if she bought a newspaper and then compared them.

There are only picture differences and one place where the word "retraction" on the newer image is set to center alignment and is now in highlighted with black.

I worked at a newspaper for a short time and got to see how production works.

In a computer program, the publisher would create the file, send it to the editor for finale OK, then she would send back and he would send it to the printer.

I think the copies on the hanso site are pre-editor. Rough dafts so to speak.

7/06/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Everyday I get here hoping that I beat the clue.... sadly this is the second day in a row that I have not... hopefully there'll be another clue today, and I'll be here... maybe I should get up earlier... reading through it now.

good morning, btw

7/06/2006 10:45:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

OMG. So it is noiq. Thanks for the post. Spot on.

And hello Lena. Also forgot to say hello to Maven and Matt. Always good to see you lot.

7/06/2006 10:47:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Oh and good morning belly. Don't worry. You never missed much.

7/06/2006 10:47:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

Fantastic Noiq!!!!

7/06/2006 10:48:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

i think the newspaper mistakes are a red herring. it probably wont lead us anywhere. we can put it on the ARG blooper reel and move on.

7/06/2006 10:48:00 AM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

hey maven, belly, matt, and wizard!!!

Hope I made sence on that last comment LOL, its early for me. :)

7/06/2006 10:49:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

great find noiq! now i'm even more confused. they edited the pic, but missed so much! why?

7/06/2006 10:50:00 AM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

sorry!! Hello to noiq, noblelawyer and sean

:)

7/06/2006 10:51:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

TEAM Lena said, "My spin on it is, the one that P gave us in the hack was NOT final copy. Maybe the pics in there are more or less, place holders."

That doesn't even make sense, because it fails to explain the radically different dates as well as the changing of the name of the drug from Vialex to Viacor.

7/06/2006 10:51:00 AM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

you made sense Lena but there was also the date differences.
You are probably right but it is still a mistake that shouldn't have happened. From what I can gather anyway. And did you know Lena that the pic has been changed back to the original?

7/06/2006 10:51:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

i guess another intern is getting fired. they seem to be dropping like flies, dont they?

7/06/2006 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

oxillini - probably just due to really really bad photoshop work by the interns as you said.

7/06/2006 10:54:00 AM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

not to deter the ARG experience, but those photos of the dock were taken at the Long Beach Loading Docks....

7/06/2006 10:54:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

man, abc can't find good interns to save their life!

7/06/2006 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

has anyone found the stock photos used for the loading dock pics? id be interested to see how much those were edited.

7/06/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

if they can't even get a simple photo of a basic container vessel right, I guess we can assume we won't be seeing a pic. of the "special" Hanso ship, or can expect to be disapointed by it.

I mean I understand we are supposed to suspend some of our disbelief for the game but we are also supposed to use all of our resources to solve the clues. Right?

7/06/2006 10:58:00 AM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

What is the date on the hack one...I cant make it out?

Also, why not matt, those edits could have been on purpose. Just refering to the meds name; maybe first one was incorrect OR maybe first one was RIGHT and they are hiding that fact.

Date thing...I dont know yet.

IT IS just a theory...NOT graved in stone gees matt LOL :P

7/06/2006 10:58:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

id love to stay, but i have to go for a while.
looking forward to the podcast.

7/06/2006 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

wizardry...well, IF...RB=P either for real OR fake: she would HAVE to cover her butt there and fix the mistake she made by giving us a DIFFERENT copy then Persephone did. LOL

Maybe LOL

Or maybe that was done to point it out? Who knows...just trying to think of it as relavent....might mean nothing.

7/06/2006 11:01:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

I have GOT to get some work done. Will check back later.

7/06/2006 11:05:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Hi, Lena, Wizardry, Belly, Matt, and everyone.

Lena: You should check out Matt's site re the 2 versions of the clippings. There were many differences: dates, photos, text. Now the original March 26/29, 2006 one is back on Rachel's blog instead of the one she had yesterday dated Nov. 9/12, 2001. I'm awaiting her lame explanation.

7/06/2006 11:06:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

omg! found mittelwerk's ship!

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~allanj/1ship2.jpg

7/06/2006 11:08:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

I encourage everyone to go to Rachel's newest blog post and demand an explanation for the newspaper change. Look up Garthazoid's post at 5:30 PM -- copy and paste it if you want! He could see that something was wrong too! We have to force Rachel to answer us about the hospital newspaper article!

http://www.blogger.com/publish-comment.do?blogID=28550197&postID=115218174211172016&r=ok

7/06/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Blogger ishe said...

Looks like all the ship pics are here -

http://www.mattonimages.co.uk/search.php?next=1&sok=container%20ships

7/06/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Come on gang, let's go demand answers on Rachel's blog! Thanks, Matt.

7/06/2006 11:12:00 AM  
Blogger Beth said...

I remember awhile back we were discussing the Flower of Life. Are we still sure its not in game? It just weird that it's all based on geometry. I don't know, I am just throwing it out there. http://www.floweroflife.org/

7/06/2006 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

oxillini said...

omg! found mittelwerk's ship!

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~allanj/1ship2.jpg

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!! TOO FUNNY!

7/06/2006 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

ishe: Thanks for that. Boy, TPTB are sure cutting corners on the game. You would think they could have sent some intern to the L.A. ports and taken some photos instead of using stock images. (On second thought, there might have been some security issues with people taking photos of cargo ships!) However, they are getting pretty chintzy on their production values. I'm still having fun, though!

7/06/2006 11:18:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

Thanks for your support guys. :) I'm sure we might get an answer if enough of us cry foul.

7/06/2006 11:19:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Oxillini: Too good! Love your sense of humor! Needed that today!

7/06/2006 11:19:00 AM  
Blogger cne100 said...

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7/06/2006 11:26:00 AM  
Blogger rfr4ever said...

My first post!

I know the anagram probably has "Hanso" in it, but I'm using an anagram finder that only features words in the dictionary :(.

But I did find one, very interesting anagram.

GALE SHUTS UNION

Could Henry Gale be shutting down the Dharma worker's union, AKA The Others?? :P
I know, not happening, but I still have alot of anagrams to look through.

7/06/2006 11:27:00 AM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Christy: re-jinx... funny :)

dazzedelf: re-slackers... agreed


Admin: thanks for posting that link on the front page! :D

badgerkyle: lol... glad you're here!

matt the pale: good keepin' an eye out... so is this change in-game or not?... That's all that really matters. I wish there was some way for TPTB to let us know which things are in-game and which are just mistakes made by careless interns.

noblelawyer: thanks for the insight! i remember you mentioning that this would be your area of expertise and I'm glad it's coming into play more.... rain today?

7/06/2006 11:27:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

cne100: This has been discussed. We believe the paint is scratched out on the I. Thanks for noticing, though.

7/06/2006 11:28:00 AM  
Blogger christy said...

I just looked it up and a caller to a DJ Dan show made a reference to Flower Life Enterprises (a life extension company) - which lends more validity to the translations everyone was working on. I had forgotten all about that, but I wonder if we can look for a new "company" to be in-game soon.

7/06/2006 11:29:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

belly0fdesire said, "I wish there was some way for TPTB to let us know which things are in-game and which are just mistakes made by careless interns."

You and me both.

7/06/2006 11:30:00 AM  
Blogger Arru said...

Helgus Antonius
is also an anagram for "Hanso ugliest UN". No doubt we're onto something here!

7/06/2006 11:30:00 AM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Hey all! Finally some free time!

7/06/2006 11:34:00 AM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

we better get an answer by the end of the day, I love how everyone on her blog now is demanding an answer.

7/06/2006 11:35:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Has everyone gone over to Rachel's Blog and demanded her explanation as to the newspaper clippings? Go NOW!

7/06/2006 11:36:00 AM  
Blogger jenni said...

busy day hardly have time to look over much of these comments! looks like everyone is busy working away though, goodluck, hopefully you all get something interesting tonight!

7/06/2006 11:37:00 AM  
Blogger rfr4ever said...

I agree with christy, in the DJ Dan podcast, they talk about a company named Flower of Life Enterprises, and DJ Dan pointed out that this was part of Hanso, which makes it reasonabke to believe that helgus antonis means "Flower of Life." I think we should keep our eyes peeled for a website.

7/06/2006 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

yes, copy this into your response if you'd like to:

Garthazoid said...
Rachel,

Why have the hospital articles you linked in your earlier post changed? They have completely different pictures and dates on them now. Is there something hidden we are supposed to find? Or has the security of your site been compromised?

Concerned Conspiraspy,
Garthazoid

7/06/2006 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

glad to see I haven't missed too much :) hopefully we'll get another vid today...

ox: very funny...

rfr4ever: welcome to the blog!!!! keep hunting and posting!!!

7/06/2006 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger rfr4ever said...

Thanks Belly of Desire,

I also noticed that oddly, GidgetGirl didn't reply to Post 3, she's probably busy, but with what? Either that, or she got kidnapped for leaking info!

7/06/2006 11:41:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

thanks guys, trying to keep it light.

7/06/2006 11:41:00 AM  
Blogger SLDFGunslinger said...

And yet another anagram for Helgus Antonious : "A Legion Hunts Us". Google Helguus and you get a WikiPedia page on Eventology! Google Antonius and you get info on Mark Anthony. Legio II , the legion raised by Octavian had the emblem of a Capricornus. Very interesting that the Tropic of Capricorn goes through Austrailia and the South Pacific......but I've sort of hit a dead end with this line of thinking. Discuss!

7/06/2006 11:49:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

As a side note: Emmy nominations out today. I counted 5 for LOST.
Best Director: Jack Bender (for finale)
Best Guest Actor: Henry Ian Cusick as Desmond
Single Camera Sound Mixing
Special Visual Effects
Writing: Cuse and Lindelof for "23rd Psalm"

Hope I didn't miss any. No nomination for Best Drama or other acting categories!

7/06/2006 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger Chaserace said...

Ok, so I went to that link that gets you into the Hanso Foundation site, and it's a little different I think.

If you go to the Mathematical Forecasting section, you can open a map, and on the map you can click little icons from different countries. On three of them, there is a blank to fill in with a number, but I'm not sure what to fill it in with. The countries are Sudan, Italy, and the USA.

Also, if you click somewhere around northeastern China (I think? - there's no icon there), another box comes up with a message written backwards that says "She was an employee to the foundation."

If this has already been said a long time ago sorry.

7/06/2006 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger Cam794 said...

i hope desmond wins hes awesome!

7/06/2006 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger Cam794 said...

That map thing is old

7/06/2006 11:57:00 AM  
Blogger ishe said...

The Flower of Life is a geometric pattern inscribed on many of the world's great pyramids and temples, dating back over 6000 years. Ancient civilizations are believed to have meditated on the shape of the Flower of Life for the purpose of manifesting sacred desires. The evolution of the universe is symbolized by the Flower of Life. On the 1st day there was a sphere representing the "Word". Each successive day the sphere rotated upon itself, forming a six petaled flower, giving mathematical reference to Creation. From its three dimensional shape all other sacred patterns may be found, including the Tree of Life, da Vinci's Pentacle and Plato's 5 Platonic Solids. A power symbol, when used for meditation, helps unlock deep memories by activating energy coding in the mind.

7/06/2006 11:58:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Good Afternoon All!! Just got caught up...wierd stuff going on...

I think I found The Ship

7/06/2006 11:58:00 AM  
Blogger Chaserace said...

ah well sorry. forgot to recheck old posts. i feel stupid now

7/06/2006 11:59:00 AM  
Blogger Cam794 said...

Hopefully we might have a new video today but i have sum douts

7/06/2006 12:01:00 PM  
Blogger ChopsShaw said...

Chaserace ---ok, now I missed something, you can get into the Hanso site again???

7/06/2006 12:02:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Thrasher: Hi, love your FIND! LOL. Oxilinni found the ship also: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~allanj/1ship2.jpg.

Have you demanded answers from Rachel yet?

7/06/2006 12:02:00 PM  
Blogger Cam794 said...

yeah all u have to do is go to the clues page and on the side it says OLD HANSO SITE click on that and u have in stant access.

7/06/2006 12:03:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Chase: yeah, sorry dude... that was from Clue #45 on May 30th... just take a read through the front page and you'll be caught up in no time... please continue to post! we love interaction!

7/06/2006 12:05:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Sorry to ride your coat tails on that Oxillini

7/06/2006 12:05:00 PM  
Blogger Cam794 said...

this wold be alot easier if it was a chat room then i wouldnt have to refresh every 5 seconds

7/06/2006 12:08:00 PM  
Blogger Cam794 said...

Does any one rmember a thing on the hanso site way back when there was a thing were this creepy looking nurse figure apeared in a doorway in a place that looked like a hospital???? That could relate to the nurse that R was talkin to.

7/06/2006 12:12:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

watching a container vessel much like the curent one inquestions sailing under the Crescent City Connection Bridge from my office window.

7/06/2006 12:13:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

thrasher: no problemo. just killing time until TPTB explain this away and tells us kiddies where to look.

7/06/2006 12:16:00 PM  
Blogger Cam794 said...

noblelawyer weres cresent city and were do u work im going to look u up on google earth

7/06/2006 12:17:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

cam: it's also the big easy (since we don't have any arg clues to work on right now, maybe we can amuse ourselves)

7/06/2006 12:19:00 PM  
Blogger ChopsShaw said...

cam794.......here's the link to that pic you asked about, the creepy nurse, I think this is what you meant...
http://www.thelostexperience.com/2006/05/10/

7/06/2006 12:20:00 PM  
Blogger rfr4ever said...

cam794: I'm pretty sure we've come to the conclusion that that's persephone AKA Rachel

7/06/2006 12:24:00 PM  
Blogger Protean1 said...

Re: Helgus Antonius & that "weekend antontym" translation-

think there might have been some confusion there as 'helgen' means both 'weekend' and 'saint' in Norwegian (and Swedish too, I think... dunno about old Norse, lol)

Antonius dosen't translate into norwegian though as it's a name.

I agree that it probably means Saint Antonius (Anthony)

BTW - that old Roger Moore series 'The Saint' was known as 'Helgenen' in Norway....

7/06/2006 12:24:00 PM  
Blogger Cam794 said...

Yeah thats it chopssaw that still scares me!!! :O :)

7/06/2006 12:25:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

New Orleans aka the crescent city. the crescent city bridge crosses the mississippi river and connects the east and west bank. I work in the CBD I face the river, and the back of my building faces the superdome

7/06/2006 12:26:00 PM  
Blogger Beth said...

Rachel may have some problems traveling when all of Italy is going crazy over the World Cup! ITALIA! ITALIA! Go Boffone!

7/06/2006 12:27:00 PM  
Blogger Idaho Girl said...

Noble, on the ASSUMPTION that this ship is headed to Lost Island, the logical path would be through Panama, right? Could that be why the cargo containers seem empty and ship is shallow?

Then they could stock up in a Pacific location.

Although it seems odd to me to transport empty containers. Is that common?

7/06/2006 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger rfr4ever said...

protean1

Most catholics know that St Anthony, or Helgus Antonius, is the patron saint of finding things, could there be a relation in that???

7/06/2006 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

GO Italy! Defeat France! my guess is that France will be wearing white again :p (sorry, not much to say while waiting for an explanation on those articles)

7/06/2006 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

idaho: i would think they would head for the suez canal.

7/06/2006 12:32:00 PM  
Blogger Cam794 said...

noblelawyer CBD wat theres like 20 things that say CBD like CBD dental,CBD rental car........????

7/06/2006 12:33:00 PM  
Blogger stmtrnboy said...

What if Liddy Wales picture is missing from the site because she is missing? What if Liddy Wales was Rachel's Mom?

7/06/2006 12:33:00 PM  
Blogger Idaho Girl said...

Ok, Suez then.

Either way, significant limitations. :)

7/06/2006 12:34:00 PM  
Blogger Cam794 said...

Now im going off track but im bored so until something new turns up.

7/06/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger ChopsShaw said...

rfr4ever....thats a good point about the ship, however on the creepy nurse being Persephone who is Rachel, sure doesnt look anything like Rachel...any possibility it could be Rousseuo's (sorry for that terrible spelling) daughter??

7/06/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger Cam794 said...

i think the creepy nurse is the nurse that R was talkin to in the audio recording.

7/06/2006 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

I don't know about the logical path being through the Panama Canal, but the draft of the canal ranges from 40-80 feet. More than enough draft for a vessel of that size fully loaded so, that should not be a problem.

AS far as shipping lanes, it would depend on where on the equator the equitorial island was. Also the island would need an appropriate container crane since the vessel pictured does not have any. That to me means it is not the lost island (unless the Lost island contains a container port which we have not been shown on the show).

Also the Panama Canal is fairly higly guarded and any suspicious vessel with suspicious manifests are checked so if one was carrying secret cargo that one did not want anyone to know about, it would be best to avoid any canals. i.e. the Panama or Suez.

7/06/2006 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

We now know who Rachel really is. thanks Logan!

Jamie Silberhartz

[img] http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/50/78/70/10m.jpg

7/06/2006 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

CDB in new orleans is the Central Business district. zip code 70163

7/06/2006 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger Cam794 said...

well since i have google earth im goin to check out were rachel is were is she in Italy again???????????

7/06/2006 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger biotronx said...

noble-

"I am sure we will learn that the vessel is one of those owned by that shipping company RB traced in Copenhagen which HANSO is involved with - btw, the copenhagen posts don't appear to be on RB's stop hanso blog anymore - I was trying to go do and check out that article about that shipping company."

the copenhagen posts ARE still there: http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/2006/06/copenhagen-post-07.html

just thought i'd give you the heads up

btw, i live in Long Beach where the original stock photos come from. I'll go check at the port to see if the helgus antonius is still there :)

7/06/2006 12:41:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

thanks biotronx.

7/06/2006 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

good idea bio! Good luck!

7/06/2006 12:42:00 PM  

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