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Clue #79 - Fragment Codes "ohge" & "748L"

Code "ohge" was seen on Jorge Garcia's wristband at the San Diego Comic-Con Convention. Speaker at insidetheexperience.com posted some amazing clear pics. The video fragment is a screen reading "THE DHARMA INITIATIVE Copyright 1975 The Hanso Foundation."

Code "748L" was posted on Monday, July 24th, 11:42 AM on Rachel's Blog. The video fragment is more Mittlewerk saying, "You know it by heart. Don't waver."

Thanks to Kenneth, Ali, JennK_68, Christiana, gin*grl, Gavin, MidnightAce, Donn, & Matt for being the first to email us about these new codes!


*See a summary of all the found fragment codes at...
Matt the Pale's HansoExposed Video Fragment Code List

*Having Troubles with hansoexposed.com? Twinkle put together a great walk-through...HansoExposed.com Handbook

585 Comments:

Blogger Jamaster said...

first!?!?!

7/24/2006 09:00:00 AM  
Blogger bjlost said...

First!

7/24/2006 09:01:00 AM  
Blogger bjlost said...

Or not. ;)

7/24/2006 09:01:00 AM  
Blogger JoAnn said...

Thanks for the new code

7/24/2006 09:01:00 AM  
Blogger Pedalin Dad said...

Finally, new post... this is crazy... good morning everyone!

Gotta do some work and then I will join in the hunting

7/24/2006 09:01:00 AM  
Blogger chucklez3 said...

748L

not 7481.

just to clarify.

7/24/2006 09:04:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

i found the next code... its:

jdshfjfhjahfu8arb43587475843hidnijgsuiheduigh84ey843y5843ht954bt745bg7gt87guhbugfeh8gfreht98eh9iengurbnjgbnsjgfkhdsufihd87f0

that last charecter is a "ZERO" not an "oh"

it was on walts yo-gi-oh card at comic con

/EndSarcasm

7/24/2006 09:05:00 AM  
Blogger fgradel said...

hm.. top 10?

7/24/2006 09:05:00 AM  
Blogger Yo Mama said...

so did we ever find out what jin's wristband said?

7/24/2006 09:07:00 AM  
Blogger Lost In Portugal said...

robc: no matter what you type after http://hansoexposed.com/xml/statistics, we will always get the statistics.xml

7/24/2006 09:07:00 AM  
Blogger WickedM said...

So according to the count at HE there are 9 codes out there so far. Outside of the normal sites, were are we supposed to look. I mean jeez - it's like a needle in a haystack without any hints....

(okay I'll stop whining now and continue the hunt.)

7/24/2006 09:16:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

Test, Test

Blogg troubles here...

7/24/2006 09:18:00 AM  
Blogger robc said...

fai enough lost but the words do they mean anything, you get them clear if you click the mouse wheel also im havig brain freeze here who are the hanso asociates? hanso, mittlewerk, mcintyre, who else?

7/24/2006 09:21:00 AM  
Blogger utrythinkinof1 said...

Woohoo! Top 15! Anyway, in the video for ohge,I don't think we have seen that symbol before have we?

7/24/2006 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger Lost In Portugal said...

robc: The words are usernames :-D

I wonder if all the fragments will be spoon-fed to us like the previous ones. In that case, better just sit down and wait...

7/24/2006 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger Caboose192 said...

Top 20, for once. Thanks for the new codes!

7/24/2006 09:27:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

No need to go crazy looking through the web.

I agree with LOST. Just sit back and relax. ENJOY...

7/24/2006 09:30:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

we cant rule out that there might be fragment codes in the actual fragments.

7/24/2006 09:30:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

im have having serious blog problems also. my verification doesnt work half the time. the page doesnt refresh properly either.

7/24/2006 09:34:00 AM  
Blogger robc said...

i thought they where usernames as well, at first but they havent changed. if they turn out to be user names i am going to have to go back and delete all my posts so far cus this is getting embarasing. however, marktry pilferk anomy hatterwar Codysmom, none have changed and im trying to do something with them. It beeats trying to go through random websites looking for pictures of comic con or just randomly liking for glyphs (btw i agre with sean about the verification)

7/24/2006 09:35:00 AM  
Blogger Olerica said...

I am SO glad that I took yesterday OFF. Whew.

You kids having fun?

7/24/2006 09:35:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

finally new comments setion but still taking forever to load/re-load. blogger problems.

7/24/2006 09:35:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

Looking at that statistics.xml file, it looks like out of the 9 fragments released only 5 have been published (i.e. only 5 in teh list have the extra data "published").

Now whether that means they've been published by us (i.e. 5 is the highest number of fragments any user has added) or published by TPTB (i.e. available in teh world) remains to be seen.

Anything else in that file is just top 10 users and their IDs.

I think we've still got a lot of work to do - we found 3 frgaments with 7 released, now 5 fragments with 9 released. Could it be the two new ones were actually 8 and 9 and we still haven't found 4,5, 6 and 7?

Without clues though I'm not sure we're going to get anywhere, and so far the fragments we've already had have just been spoon-fed to us.

Not looking good so far...who prefers Act I?

7/24/2006 09:35:00 AM  
Blogger Phil Evans said...

A pointer about the XML file:

The fragments section of the XML says that while 9 fragments have been released, only 5 have been published. The numbers are Unix timestamps, which is a way of recording a date. The highest "published" number (hence the most recently released) is 1153734286, which corresponds 24 July 2006 @ 09:44:46 GMT. I'm not sure what time zone Rachel's blog is on but I'd be pretty confident that that's the same time.

So what does this mean? If only 5 fragments have "published" dates, does that mean that only 5 have been found, or that only 5 *can* be found?

For you information, the other dates are (leaving out published date if it's the same as the released):

Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:24:22 GMT published 18:27:13 GMT
Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:24:54 GMT published 18:28:38 GMT
Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:25:24 GMT published 23:33:15 GMT
Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:26:24 GMT published Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:08:37 GMT
Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:26:57 GMT
Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:27:27 GMT
Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:28:12 GMT
Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:42:03 GMT published 09:44:46 GMT
Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:43:30 GMT

Hope this fuels some debate :)

Phil

7/24/2006 09:36:00 AM  
Blogger Phil Evans said...

Shakey - great minds and all that ;)

P

7/24/2006 09:42:00 AM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

i think thats the time someone first used the code and it became a published code.

As for comic con. I have picture proof that Byran Burk had a wrist band on as well... so we have at least his wristband to look for... which would make me assume that carlton cuse would also have one on.... So we need to figure out Daniel Dae Kim's Bracelet, Carlton Cuse's Bracelet, and Byran Burk's Bracelet.

7/24/2006 09:43:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

has anyone else found dthat sometimes the fragment do not remain on the timeline? I had them in a certain order, saved them. logged out and then logged back in and three of the fragments are in the storage bin rather than the timeline. Does that mean that the two that reamined on the timeline are in the proper order and the others are not?

7/24/2006 09:45:00 AM  
Blogger jimbob89 said...

HEY! SORRY FOR SHOUTING BUT IM ALL HYPO!! WE HAVE FOUND ANOTHER CODE ON DANIEL DAE KIMS WRISTBAND BUT WE ARE HAVING TROUBLE TRYING TO SEE WHAT IT IS! HAS ANYONE GOT ANY CLEARER PICTURES OF DANIELS WRISTBAND OR ANY SOFTWARE THAT PIXELATES A PICTURE??

7/24/2006 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

jimbo... the best image we could come up with of his wrist is this:

picture

7/24/2006 09:58:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Hi all. Nothing like a little spoon feeding, huh?

When I first entered 748L, I got just a red square in the box. It read: Undefined. Then when I entered it again, I got the fragment. Don't know what that means. Probably nothing.

Blogger is very slow today.

7/24/2006 09:58:00 AM  
Blogger fitz66 said...

We know that is old news nice try though it has been driving all of us nuts

7/24/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger costa said...

speaker definetly works on the show right? he just released those super clear photos. I bet speaker will find some clears hots of the other writbands

7/24/2006 10:00:00 AM  
Blogger Carol said...

finally the comments are back.

JustWillow has put together a nice clear graphic of the glyphs As seen on Ninja's blog

Ninja also links to tapdawg's blog :-D

7/24/2006 10:00:00 AM  
Blogger Weezknight said...

tapdawg-
Looking at the dates from the XML that would make sense that we would need 3 more from Saturday (the wristbands), however going by that, the 1 other one we need was just made available today. Perhaps that one's a web clue?

i.e. (the one's without "published" dates)


Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:26:57 GMT - Wristband (cuse?)
Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:27:27 GMT - Wristband (kim?)
Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:28:12 GMT - Wristband (burk?)

Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:43:30 GMT - New "web" glyph

7/24/2006 10:03:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

maven -

the same thing happened to me... I got a red square in the timeline, and then the clip disappeared altogether


Couldn't get on the computer all weekend.... looks like I missed a lot! I spent all day yesterday working on the Hatch jigsaw puzzle instead - almost done! I think I had dreams about Desmond last night... not that that's a bad thing.... ;)

7/24/2006 10:03:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

It seems that the top 10 seem to be the 10 most recent saves of your fragments... if you save again you will make it into that list again...

BUT the fragment info is very helpful... I'll take it that no others are "released" or to be found anywhere and can get on with my day ;-)

Thanks for that Shakey!!

7/24/2006 10:06:00 AM  
Blogger dizzy said...

I hope all these codes are not physically written on people. That would be LAME!!
I'm not really impressed on the turn this game has taken.
Anyone else feel the same way?

7/24/2006 10:06:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Lawenda: Thanks for that ninja link. I bookmarked it!

(Added you to YIM) :)

7/24/2006 10:06:00 AM  
Blogger costa said...

the glyph on hurleys band is the same as the dharma symbol in the clip right?

7/24/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger Carol said...

nw Maven :-D

you added me? Funny, I didn't get a friend request. email me your username

7/24/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

Thanks Phil.

I pretty much thoght these were time stamps but they didn't look like UNIX stamps - thanks for the clarification.

For example then, the first fragment in the list:

released:
Saturday 22nd July 2006, 17:24:22

published:
Saturday 22nd July 2006, 18:27:13

Times are GMT

So, this means this fragment was published just over an hour after it was released.

With my programming head on I would assume that this "published" data refers to when a user added it to the list for the first time, with "released" denoting when it went live.

To be honest though I can only see this useful for TPTB to see how quickly we're finding them.

7/24/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Dizzy: I'm with you. She tells us the fragments are on the web, and then she (they) dribble them out to us. We don't have to FIND anything.
Hopefully, this will change and this spoonfeeding is just to get us started.

Personally, I don't understand why Rachel gave this glyphs to the producers and actors of a TV show that keep saying nothing is real. After lambasting them at ComicCon, the producers and cast are "helping" her get the word out about an organization (THF) they don't acknowledge. Unless they just thought those fashionable wristbands were kinda cool and they wanted to start a new trend...

7/24/2006 10:10:00 AM  
Blogger jess4ua said...

What is wrong with this thing today??

Anyways
Hi Maven,

I agree, I was hoping to have to search the websites for the glyphs. Very disappointing.
They may as well just have given us the whole video at once.

Oh Well!!!

7/24/2006 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

lol... maven now your all about IM'ing =-)

7/24/2006 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

i feel so honored to be linked to on other peoples websites.... amazing!

7/24/2006 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

good morning all, just got home from work. i see all my searching was in vain over the past day or so! Oh well. But now there are 9 fragments released.

7/24/2006 10:14:00 AM  
Blogger Carol said...

new link for Ninja's latest blog :-D

wv: pshndlmm

7/24/2006 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

maven:

It's entirely possible that the Lost crew are "officially" in denial of THF's actions and existence. Unofficially, they know what's going on (either from the beginning using the show as a vessel to bring them down, or by accident after the show started) and are helping Rachel in her quest by having these glyphs on their wristbands.

Listen to Jorge's (I think) answer to Rachel's "who are the Hanso Foundation" - it's very obviously a memorised, scripted response.

Now he's not a poor actor, so I think his very mechanical regurgitation of that answer was intentional i.e. an in-game "this is ABC's official standpoint" sort of thing, as opposed to an OOG "I've been told to say this as part of this little scene".

7/24/2006 10:18:00 AM  
Blogger fitz66 said...

Well maven i disagree with you on the producers idea. I think that the hanso foundation is so powerful they could shut down the show so that is why they allowed the commercials and Hugh McItyre on kimel b/c they had to supply an equilibrium. The producers then saw that hey couldn't bad mouth hanso in public (i.e. this is not real) but secretly they could support the cause.

7/24/2006 10:19:00 AM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Morning all! Has anyone tried to clarifyu Daniel Dae Kim's bracelet?

7/24/2006 10:23:00 AM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

sorry clarifyu=clarify

7/24/2006 10:23:00 AM  
Blogger D said...

The hansoexposed site indicates that nine fragments have been released so far. We seem to only have five codes. Where are the other four?

7/24/2006 10:25:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Those are not fashionable bracelets, so unless Rachel found a way to make them think they should be worn (NOT), then Very sneakily - the Lost panel are in on it, but must maintain deniability!


Yeah, that's it... that's the ticket!!

7/24/2006 10:25:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Okay, guys. I can buy the premise that things aren't always what they seem. But on the surface, it was strange to me that after publicly confronting the LOST panel and being "put down" and escorted out, within minutes, they are helping her. And, obviously, this was all preplanned.
So, maybe, this is their way to secretly help her and still put on the public face of support for THF.

jamaster: You created a monster!

7/24/2006 10:27:00 AM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

d, 3 of the other 4 are still on bracelets we havent deciphered.... and the last one is somewhere on the web. my best guess... maybe dj dan's site will update today and have it on there somewhere... maybe on the bottom with the other little icons.

7/24/2006 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

maven, since jorge garcia had the wristband on before rachel yelled at him i must come to one of two conclusion:

1. She had spoke with them before hand, and the scene that occured at comic con was staged to make it look like the producers think she's crazy when in actuality they believe her.

2. It was preplanned to occur and hurley wearing the bracelet during the panel was a mistake... and a big one at that. (seeing as noone else had the bracelet on at the time.)

7/24/2006 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

tapdawg: It's probably both 1 and 2.

7/24/2006 10:33:00 AM  
Blogger Caboose192 said...

LOL--Look what I just found in one of TapDawg's blog pics:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j308/sk84ever192/mecimccon.jpg

Too bad we didn't meet up!

7/24/2006 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

hahaha very true maven.... very true


wow this site is really laggin today

caboose so you were there! hahaha

7/24/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Blogger costa said...

did anyone notice that all the writstband codes contain some of the magic numbers.
4ho=4,8(h),15(o)
ohge=15(o),8(h),7(g),5(e)
7hkbh=7,8(h),11(k),2(b),8(h)
i bet it means something 4ho is a perfect one ,4,8,15

7/24/2006 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Anybody with me in saying Mr. Beardy in the fragments is a young Alvar Hanso?

Remember when Mittelwerk, Peter Thompson and unidentified woman had that conversation on the beach in Sanremo. Thompson wanted to know where Alvar was. TWM said: Watch Alvar on the Orientation Film He talks with Valenzetti. I have the DVD.

This video is the first Orientation film (dated 1975) and it's of Alvar Hanso discussing the equation with Valenzetti.


Anybody else having blogger problems?

7/24/2006 10:54:00 AM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

costa check out the last clue section, i already discussed that and stated that i bet another clue will have a combination of these:

16 = P
23 = W
42 = 42/HB

maven yes super slow blogger

7/24/2006 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

tapdawg - I love in your photos that Daniel Dae Kim is pretty much doing everything but grabbing your camera and taking a picture of his own wristband. :)

I would have thought that TPTB would have clued everyone in a little more on those wristbands - just think of the heroes welcome that you would have gotten if you had come back with all four glyphs! Not that we don't appreciate everything that you did this weekend!

7/24/2006 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger triskele said...

ANy one else noticed the DJDan's site is now hosted by THF?
GO http://djdan.am/links.html and, in the array of bottom pics, click on the one of the antenna (ASR9 antenna, like the #s at the bottom of the Spider Protocol document?!?). You get a 404 error, with the Apache server on THF.org...Maybe that's why he's been hosting the Mittelwerk vids?

7/24/2006 11:01:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Wow, tapdawg and caboose! You guys were so close to eachother...too bad you didn't know it!

7/24/2006 11:03:00 AM  
Blogger costa said...

42 would be DB or 24 x

7/24/2006 11:11:00 AM  
Blogger costa said...

where is there a dvd of alvar talking about the valanzetti equation

7/24/2006 11:12:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

tapdawg:

Don't suppose you have higher resolution versions of these do ya? You use a digital camera? If so what setting did you use?

Not sure we can get Daniel's wristband number but if you do have bigger versions then we'll give it a go.

7/24/2006 11:16:00 AM  
Blogger costa said...

db= d(4),b(2)
or fg or gf f(6)xg(7)=42

7/24/2006 11:19:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

Maven, i agree, i think it is a younger hanso.

7/24/2006 11:21:00 AM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

those newest images are from wireimage and are not mine... thas the biggest quality they have online.

7/24/2006 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

costa - we dont know where the DVD is... TWM mentioned that it exsisted when rachael was easdroppign with the long range microphone.

we cana ssume that the DVD is the hasno orientation from the recent fragment

7/24/2006 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

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7/24/2006 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger costa said...

if that orientation film from the 70's was fake why does djdan have a picture from it on his page???

7/24/2006 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

i think it is more likely to be Valezetti than Hanso

7/24/2006 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger costa said...

maven what are you talking about???

7/24/2006 11:25:00 AM  
Blogger bigdog said...

matt the pale - was gone all weekend, trying to play catch up. Just visited your site and just wanted to say thanks and well done.

7/24/2006 11:25:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

Hey all...I know TapDawgs blog and Matt The Pale's site are great resources, but there are also two threads in the message board that are keeping track of the glyphs (with pictures) and the codes. Easy access, here is the link:
http://www.drkdesign.com/cluesmb/viewforum.php?f=26

7/24/2006 11:27:00 AM  
Blogger costa said...

topdawg why is the picture from the one fake on the djdan sight if he is an official site??

7/24/2006 11:28:00 AM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

Link to glyph discussion in message board

7/24/2006 11:30:00 AM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

I have an idea, I think that we may find all 70 fragments before the 10 weeks, and then have to do something to find the missing pieces in between

7/24/2006 11:31:00 AM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

what costa?

7/24/2006 11:32:00 AM  
Blogger costa said...

the pic to the right titled fallout looks just like the begining from that that fake thats named after the guy who suppposedly made it

7/24/2006 11:33:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

i dont think mr. beardy is valenzetti... i would think if valenzetti is in thehanso orientation video he would be briefing the audience, and not warnign the audience how importantit is to keep this confidential.

7/24/2006 11:34:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

arent we due for another podcast. he said 2 weeks.

7/24/2006 11:34:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

ty tapdawg - thought they were yours!

I don't think that's Valenzetti - doesn't sound like an Italian accent to me, but it also doesn't sound particularly Danish either but I personally think this is a THF Orientation video from the 70s more likely the inner circle "grand endgame" video (SPIDER protocol, DHARMA research, etc.).

Although from what little we've seen it has a similar feel and editing style to Rachel's videos, only with the grain of decayed video on it.

My money's on bearded guy being Alvar Hanso delivering the full endgame orientation video from the 70s.

7/24/2006 11:35:00 AM  
Blogger costa said...

topdawg-on the djdan websight its to the right of the mushroom cloud

7/24/2006 11:35:00 AM  
Blogger costa said...

alvar is to old to be that young in the 70's

7/24/2006 11:36:00 AM  
Blogger costa said...

plus it looks nothing like alvar

7/24/2006 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

i see a picture but what are you talking about?

7/24/2006 11:39:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

jamaster: of course Valenzetti would be warning the audience to keep it confidential if this was a THF briefing!

The only reason we've interpretted his warning statement as something aimed at us is because we want the answers Rachel said she's giving.

So yes, if that is Valenzetti in a THF briefing he'd still warn about confidentiality.

But I still reckon it's Hanso - that's just not even a crap Italian accent. More eastern European (but I personally would have a hard time taking it as Danish if we of a pro-Hanso standpoint end up being right).

7/24/2006 11:39:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

how old is alvar? if he is say 50-55 or so in that video that would make him 80-85 right now.

7/24/2006 11:41:00 AM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

here's my problem with that being alvar. The video found in the swan hatch has alvar in it. The video is also from 1980.... He could not change his appearance that much in 5 years. So either

1. that is not alvar.

2. the dates on one of those videos is wrong.... and its on purpose.

7/24/2006 11:41:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

this is probably the orientation video that mtw and thompson were talking about in the audio file on the beach. so it would be alvar hanso.

7/24/2006 11:42:00 AM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

alvar hanso should be around 115-120... if he's still alive. Hence we assume the life extension program has been used on him.

alrighty i gotta go to work see you gusy in the afternoon.

7/24/2006 11:43:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

costa: the only pic we have of Alvar Hanso is that grainy crap thing on the website - who is to say that's even real?

Granted there's not a great deal of similarity between the grainy pic and this beardy chap, but it's amazing how quickly your hair can lose pigment and people look awfully different when they remove their facial hair.

And to be honest, when did TPTB worry about that? Darla turned out to be a different looking woman than the one in the second round of Rachel pics (different accents too). And other things...

7/24/2006 11:43:00 AM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

alvar hanso should be around 115-120... if he's still alive. Hence we assume the life extension program has been used on him.

alrighty i gotta go to work see you gusy in the afternoon.

7/24/2006 11:43:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

shakey i disagree... if im(say im hanso) making a video with valenzetti im going to adress the audience and tell them that its 100% confidential. then i bring on valenzetti. when he talks its strictly technical. he isnt part of the foundation, he is a guest speaker of sorts. then, after he is done, i again remind everyone this needs ot be secret and ocntinue with the oreintation

7/24/2006 11:44:00 AM  
Blogger Young Wallace said...

Is anyone working on a possible sequence yet, or just trying to collect fragments at this point?

(I'm in Colorado Springs right now, so i'm only able to peek in and out. I haven't read any of the comments so not sure if this was discussed. If so, i'll just ban myself. wait, what?)

7/24/2006 11:45:00 AM  
Blogger Chelsea said...

http://www.hansoexposed.com/xml/statistics/

7/24/2006 11:47:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

jamaster: a good point, which in turn adds a little something to the argument that beardy man isn't Valenzetti.

thanks chelsea we've seen it and given it a good analysis

7/24/2006 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger dizzy said...

According to the statistics new code has just been added.

7/24/2006 12:45:00 PM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

dizzy si right, it is showing 10 fragments released... the HE.com website also lists 10 being released...

a quick look at RB, DJD,ROT, etc doesnt show any new obvious glyphs

7/24/2006 01:03:00 PM  
Blogger here_comes_trouble said...

ugh -- what is up with blogger?

As a web designer who is very concerned with web standards and web accessibility, I find hansoexposed.com to be extremely alienating. I would consider myself an expert when it comes to flash but I am having trouble figuring out how it all works, considering that collected video clips often disappear without warning. they only reappear when you reload and re-log in. excuse the pun, but I think some players who have kept up until now might be "lost".

7/24/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Blogger srsizzy said...

Errg, I can't see if there's another blog post after this one because the site won't load and the RSS always upates late.

Anyways, I really don't like being a "cheater", but on that xml page it says:
< fragments >
< fragment released="1153589062" published="1153592833"/ >
< fragment released="1153589094" published="1153592918"/ >
< fragment released="1153589124" published="1153611195"/ >
< fragment released="1153589184" published="1153717717"/ >
< fragment released="1153589217"/ >
< fragment released="1153589247"/ >
< fragment released="1153589292"/ >
< fragment released="1153734123" published="1153734286"/ >
< fragment released="1153734210"/ >
< fragment released="1153761962"/ >
< /fragments >

Don't you see that only 5 are published? That means the other five aren't really out there to get, there's only five that have been seen and used. I'm really wondering what this leader board is...maybe people who put them in the right slots?

Sorry if someone already mentioned this.

7/24/2006 01:20:00 PM  
Blogger Pedalin Dad said...

srsizzy: I take the 'published' to mean they have been found and entered by someone on the hansoexposed site... but I could be wrong

7/24/2006 01:23:00 PM  
Blogger Princechuck said...

Ok...anyone want to go 50/50 on some "Lost Bracelet Replicas"? We could sell them on ebay. I have a contact in India that can make them of lead and pay the workers next to nothing. Any takers?

7/24/2006 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

YAY! Blogger's back up!

7/24/2006 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger Olerica said...

Theory about Alvar being 115 – 120 years old:

Did TPTB/C. Cruse or D. Lindelof mention that 60 days “island” time might be 2 years in “real” time? My theory then, is that Alvar IS on the island. The difficulties that they have in leaving the island may account for his not being seen since 2002 (right?) or longer.

My theory on the numbers/glyph names:

That whomever postulated that the numbers an letters all come together to form “THE NUMBERS” is correct. That there will be series of numbers, all in the right direction with the first number being first, all in the right direction of the first letter (number) being first, etc, going on till we have the ‘right’ number of series.

Hey,
It’s a theory. Or two, really...

7/24/2006 01:25:00 PM  
Blogger HansoExFragments said...

Thats the way i take it, they are out there, just haven't been found yet...

7/24/2006 01:25:00 PM  
Blogger Jack Gladney said...

The leader board seems to be the first person to input a code...when I first registered on Saturday there was only one glyph that had been found and pilfrek was the only one listed on the board. When there were three clues out, there were three names, and now there are five fragments that people have found and there are five names listed. Speaker "suggested" something similar to this in response to a similar question, and they to have added numbers to each name: currently each name has one number beside it. I'd assume that each time someone is the first to input a code, they get one point.

Of course, TPTB seem to be figuring that it will be possible for one person to be the first to input more than one code, which might prove tricky.

7/24/2006 01:27:00 PM  
Blogger Chelsea said...

10 have been released now

7/24/2006 01:28:00 PM  
Blogger Olerica said...

Can I update my theory? Alvar has been on and off of the island. I think that's how he's extending his life.

Sidebar: Have you guys seen the 4400 TV show? All of those people were abducted and returned the same age they were when they left, yet time on earth went on. Wonder if it has any connection....

7/24/2006 01:29:00 PM  
Blogger Chelsea said...

I wish b/c I love that show!

Of course, the 4400 'catastrophe' in the future "could" be related...

7/24/2006 01:31:00 PM  
Blogger The Seeker said...

How do you all feel about assigning teams to keep up on individual sites? Team one could watch thf.org, team two djdan.am and so on?

7/24/2006 01:36:00 PM  
Blogger Olerica said...

Where IS everyone?

7/24/2006 01:37:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

here_comes:
I had the same thought. Hansoexposed's interface isn't designed as well as it could be. The Lostpedia article about it mentiones some of the problems that have been found. I hope they update it, praticularly about losing clips into the ether if you don't drop them in the right place and the funky thing it does if you accidentally drop one on top of another.

7/24/2006 01:37:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Boy my spelling was bad ont that last one. Sorry. Any word on blogger adding a spell check to the interface?

7/24/2006 01:38:00 PM  
Blogger ncamren said...

Don't forget guys, we still have to figure out what DDK's wristband said. It definitely was longer than the code posted up on Rachel's site. We have Hurley's and Damon's but didn't Carlton have one as well? Grr. All we really have to go on are pictures like the ones on Tapdawg's blog, as well as the possibility that they'll show them on G4.

7/24/2006 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

olerica -

That's a really interesting idea! Not so much that Alvar has a way to extend his actual lifespan, he has just found a way to "skip" enough time that he doesn't appear to age. Hmmmm.....

7/24/2006 01:43:00 PM  
Blogger Wyldfire said...

I would be willing to keep up with one of the sites... anyone planning on taking on the task of organizing the effort? Perhaps Matt the Pale, as he has already taken the initiative of organizing the list.

In the meantime, I feel certain that the other four codes are out there... we just haven't found them. Just because we got the jump on them for a few of the clues doesn't mean they can't learn from their mistakes... I'd be dissapointed if they didn't.

7/24/2006 01:43:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Afternoon everyone! I just got my systems workign again here at work so I can catch up and play along!

I have tons of email to look over as well. Be back in a few!

7/24/2006 01:45:00 PM  
Blogger Ange said...

The Seeker said...
How do you all feel about assigning teams to keep up on individual sites? Team one could watch thf.org, team two djdan.am and so on?

You can use the ARG monitor to watch for any site updated...the only sites that it does not monitor automatically are Rachel's blog, and ROT...but it covers all the rest.
Link to ARG Monitor

7/24/2006 01:47:00 PM  
Blogger Lost In Portugal said...

I think three of the remaining codes were on the wristbands.

7/24/2006 01:52:00 PM  
Blogger srsizzy said...

ange: The ARG moniter seems to be updating RoT and Rachel's blog, they are right up there with the rest.

- Mr. Tom

7/24/2006 01:54:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

i found a pattern in the glyphs that might eventually put them into order, if you keep numbers what they are and change the letters to numbers then add them all togther theres seems to be a pattern
4ho=4+8(h)+15(o)=27
748l=7+4+8+12(l)=31
ohge= 15(o)+8(h)+7(g)+5(e)=35
7hkbh=7+8(h)+11(k)+2(b)+8(h)=39

7/24/2006 01:55:00 PM  
Blogger HansoExFragments said...

LOST, there are 5 codes still to find!

7/24/2006 01:55:00 PM  
Blogger Pedalin Dad said...

Ange: Hi there! quick question... how reliable do you think that ARG monitor is? I noticed the problem with noticing Rachel's blog, and took it to mean it is faulty... sounds like you are saying it doesn't work for only those two sites?

Just checking...

7/24/2006 01:56:00 PM  
Blogger Howard said...

Hi all:

Not hugely significant, but I just noticed that DJ Dan's "Eyes on the Man" page now links to the three Mittlewerk promo spots. I don't think I have seen that mentioned (and I DO try to read all the posts)

Namast-Go
Howard

7/24/2006 01:56:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

costa: whats 23 then?

BTW I'll be leaving tommorow on a trip to Florida. I'll be gone until sunday. Hold down the fort guys!

7/24/2006 01:57:00 PM  
Blogger Ange said...

srsizzy/pedalin-if you read the note from the creator of the monitor (at the top of the Lowkeysoft page)...he has to update ROT and Rachel's blog manually, so they do not always update on the monitor when they do in actual time. For example Rachel's blog updated 7/24, but it has yet to be added to the recently changed list. All others update in real time automatically. It is VERY accurate for all sites other than ROT and Rachel's Blog.:)

7/24/2006 01:58:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Just got back and like the discussion on whether or not Mr. Beardy is Alvar or Valenzetti.

Don't believe is Enzo -- definitely no Italian hint in his speech.

I came out yesterday saying it was Alvar Hanso (much younger). That grainy photo dated 2003 on THF and showing up in a 1980 Orientation film might just be red herring. Maybe when the 1980 Orientation films were made they just used a generic photo of a "distinguished elder head of a Foundation" and continued the lie on THF website since Alve Hanso was out and Mittelwerk was in, and they needed some photo of him. Taking a shot from the 1975 DVD wouldn't help them because it was showing a young, vibrant man. The Alvar in the 1975 DVD looks about 50ish to me which would make about in his 80's now. Very believeable.

7/24/2006 01:58:00 PM  
Blogger Pedalin Dad said...

howard: sorry, that's been there for a while (july 18th?)... the first links to THF website, the 2nd and 3rd link to a commercial about the life extention and one about the math forecasting initiative

7/24/2006 02:01:00 PM  
Blogger srsizzy said...

ange: ack, sorry, spoke too soon, I'm dumb. Just noticed it said he updates them manually.

costa: it looks like that could be somthing, a pattern of "+4", but if they go in that order than the video doesn't make sense. And it doesn't work for "RRGYXS" which has a lot of high numbers.

7/24/2006 02:02:00 PM  
Blogger ncamren said...

Costa, that may just help. Every code has been within four of another code. We could spend our time coming out with solutions equalling 23 and every other number in that pattern.

7/24/2006 02:03:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

the pattern will hold i bet the last glyph adds up to 87 that would also go with pattern

7/24/2006 02:05:00 PM  
Blogger Pedalin Dad said...

ange: thanks! Just saw the note you referred to... I guess I should read the fine print! Didn't realize that changed.

thanks again!

7/24/2006 02:05:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

ncamren it is definetly a pattern to put them in order

7/24/2006 02:05:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

with 70 clips it should work out o like 280
RRoYxs=87

7/24/2006 02:07:00 PM  
Blogger billybobjr789 said...

like the idea about beardy and hanso same. very interesting

7/24/2006 02:07:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

39,43,47,51,55,59,63,67,71,75,79,83,87 bingo

7/24/2006 02:08:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

hanso looks more like wally bole without his beard

7/24/2006 02:09:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

How can we figure out what string goes for 23?

7/24/2006 02:09:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

If so then how would they signify #1? Somebody already tried all the single characters. I'm kind of hoping that we just have to figure out the order by content but maybe that's because I like doing that kind of stuff.

7/24/2006 02:09:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

who is with me on this pattern it has to mean something, it may even help to get other codes, there are only so many letter and number combos thatcould get us 23,19,15,11,9,ansd so on

7/24/2006 02:11:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

maybe it starts at 3 or 7 or 11 or 15

7/24/2006 02:12:00 PM  
Blogger dixxee said...

if you put the video's in order per the number i.e. 4ho, 748L, ohge, 7hkbh, rroyxs... this almost seems to fit the way they should play...

7/24/2006 02:16:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

dixee you know i am right just ahead of my time

7/24/2006 02:17:00 PM  
Blogger dixxee said...

now to find more clips and see if the theory holds out..

7/24/2006 02:18:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

even if my pattern is right it will only be good for the sequence ,bceause not all of the clues are released

7/24/2006 02:19:00 PM  
Blogger RipNshread said...

Except for the multiples of 5 this would make most of the numbers prime. Figureing out the combinations of letters and numbers that could make up each withing a certain number of characters should not be too hard to decipher.

7/24/2006 02:20:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

I think there a as many sections of the video as there are seperate strorage bins

7/24/2006 02:20:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

ya but ripnshread the 87 shows they could release any fragment at a time so you could generate a fragment code that hasn't been released yet

7/24/2006 02:22:00 PM  
Blogger lordnune said...

I don't know if figuring out the clues without finding them will help all that much if they have not "released" that clue yet. If you enter the wrong code it says "as of MM/DD/TT this code does not work" or whatever... which means even if we have the correct codes we will not know it until they release that code, right?

7/24/2006 02:23:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

the was hanso exposed is so funky about putting them in the right order my pattern will be invaluable later on when more clips are released

7/24/2006 02:23:00 PM  
Blogger ncamren said...

Well, we do know that there are at least 2 or three parts of the video. It's hard to place the Dharma one, because there's no telling if it goes with one of the other ones.

I'll start making a list of possibilities for the 23 code. It might take a while though.

7/24/2006 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

thats what i am sayiing lordnune, but when we have maore clips this will be the way to put them together

7/24/2006 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger lordnune said...

yeah I agree with you costa - I was just responding to what someone else up there had said about using them to figure out the missing codes.

7/24/2006 02:25:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

ya but ncamren, lordnune is right who is to say that 23 is one of the 10 released fragments, but later you will be thanknig me

7/24/2006 02:26:00 PM  
Blogger JessiePao said...

is it just me, or is the hansoexposed site really blurry? Anyone have suggestions? gives me a headache

7/24/2006 02:26:00 PM  
Blogger GothicPunq said...

I don't think there is any doubt that the Dharma beginning is related to the Bearded Man. They purposefully gave us a film cut so we could see that it was made in the same fashion as the previous Orientation films.

7/24/2006 02:27:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

but if we follow the bulk of the glyphs 24, or 43 might have been released,i stress only might!

7/24/2006 02:27:00 PM  
Blogger sean said...

the orientation fragments have to be related to the alvar video mittelwerk and thompson were talking about on the beach. which would lead me to believe beardy is alvar.

7/24/2006 02:28:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

since 87 is all by itself there is a chance that 91 or 83 is released

7/24/2006 02:30:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

So I was on Jaime's myspace (she's the actress who plays Rachel), and guess what?!?! If you click on "view pics," you'll see a picture of her at comic con...that I took! You can view it on my blog too.

Sorry, I just got really excited...Thought it was very cool!

7/24/2006 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger Cam794 said...

On Hanso exposed it says 10 fragments released and u only put up 5 were is the othere five?? Does that mean theres ten realeased and we have to find the other faive codes???

7/24/2006 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger RipNshread said...

Yea, I see what your saying costa.

There can't be too many as numbers can only be represented as integers 1-9 and letters 1-26. Well I guess that is a few thousand.

Another question, on the statistics site what significance does the placement of each "published" glyph hold? The first four are grouped together while the last one is alone?

7/24/2006 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger Cam794 said...

If im missing any codes please post them

7/24/2006 02:34:00 PM  
Blogger mamakau said...

Has anyone found out the meaning of the glyphs yet? Or what language they are? I might be able to translate the glyphs using Fontlab, but I need to know what language it is first. What language do they speak in Sri Lanka?

7/24/2006 02:34:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

nightmaremommie: Cool. What's the link to your blog. I clicked your name and didn't see it.

7/24/2006 02:35:00 PM  
Blogger ncamren said...

ripnshread - There's more than a few thousand. If you take 23, with As and Bs alone you have a few hundred. Add Cs and Ds, you've got yourself a thousand easily. It still bums me out that we still can't figure out DDK's wristband.

7/24/2006 02:37:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

Here's the URL for the blog. THe pic she used is the one where she's pointing at the audience (there's a grey haired man's head in the pic too). You'll have to copy and paste the url...sorry:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=76913390&blogID=147729564&MyToken=c3940209-0bce-49e8-80a4-b15ac6fef18e

7/24/2006 02:38:00 PM  
Blogger lordnune said...

there are glyphs in Sri Lanka - according to Google - haven't done much research yet, but one of the Glyph languages is called Tamil. There is more info here too:

http://www.isoc.org/inet97/proceedings/E1/E1_3.HTM#s4

7/24/2006 02:40:00 PM  
Blogger Ange said...

Cam794 said...
If im missing any codes please post them

Cam-check the main TLEC mainpage...all the codes are up to date there.

7/24/2006 02:41:00 PM  
Blogger lordnune said...

more info here too - does not look like our glyphs...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_script

7/24/2006 02:43:00 PM  
Blogger LostinFrogurt said...

Hey everybody! Back from a weekend at a cottage and all caught up! Ya miss me?

7/24/2006 02:43:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

the problem is there is no rule to how many characters in the fragment code but it does seem to go from low to high

4ho only three 27
748l four 31
ohge four 35
7hkbh five 39

so 24 probably has three or less characters

7/24/2006 02:44:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Great pics and reporting, nightmaremommie! Looks like you had a great "experience". That pic of Rachel was great. No wonder she's using it!

7/24/2006 02:46:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

lordnune: Good work on trying to translate the actual glyphs. They have to have some importance to this. Maybe help with the sequencing or tell us another clue...who knows. Keep trying.

lostinfrogurt: Of course we all missed you!

7/24/2006 02:48:00 PM  
Blogger completely_lost said...

I actually have 2 questions.
1.I've tried to view the clips on hansoexposed but all I get is the dharma symbol, am I doing something wrong?
2. Has anyone else noticed that ROT is acting funny? I went on and got to their blog and now everytime I even go to the site it's directly to the blog. Seems a little funny
thanks for the help in advance!

7/24/2006 02:49:00 PM  
Blogger LostinFrogurt said...

Maven, yay! I think the last clip we find is going to be the longest, and maybe, make all the others make sense, ie. the beard guy. It'll probably also be the hardest to find.

7/24/2006 02:50:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

i see a patter with every other glyph
27,35 4ho ohge, both have o and h
31,39 748l 7hkbh, both have 7 and 8(h)

7/24/2006 02:51:00 PM  
Blogger Ange said...

HI FROGURT-couldn't live without your dancing whatever-it-is!

completely lost-he.com is doing that for everyone...it is messed up today, for lack of a better word. ROT does that sometimes too....might mean an update soon, but from time to time over the last couple of weeks it has been going right to the thread page.

Have any myspacers gotten a new mail from Manny? I heard tell of one, but haven't see it anywhere.

7/24/2006 02:51:00 PM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

Just saying hello. Still waiting for next glyph. Readind all comments, keep it up...

7/24/2006 02:52:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

do you see that ripsinthehead so we can infer that 21, may have a 4 an h(8) or an o(15)

7/24/2006 02:53:00 PM  
Blogger LostinFrogurt said...

Ange, it's a yeti! My he.com is working fine.

7/24/2006 02:54:00 PM  
Blogger RipNshread said...

I emailed a math guy to see if he has an equation, or can make one, that will give us results to sift through.

7/24/2006 02:54:00 PM  
Blogger RipNshread said...

I gotta run, check back later.

7/24/2006 02:55:00 PM  
Blogger costa said...

or 24 might have 7(g) and 8(h) in it,that narrows it from thousands right rips?

7/24/2006 02:55:00 PM  
Blogger completely_lost said...

thanks ange! Glad to know it's not the computer illiterate's porblem. :)

7/24/2006 02:55:00 PM  
Blogger sean said...

i dont know if anyone thought of this, but has anyone tried anagraming the glyph codes?
remember timeless together?

7/24/2006 02:55:00 PM  
Blogger lordnune said...

yeah Maven, it should be something to consider anyway. I have found no glyphs online anywhere yet that resemble these, so they could just be made up, but we should be on the lookout for them.

7/24/2006 02:57:00 PM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

the jamie silberhartz on myspace is not the real one. Both ADMIN and Speaker have confirmed this.

7/24/2006 02:58:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

ryandrumz: Did you post any pics or video?

7/24/2006 02:59:00 PM  
Blogger sean said...

someone over at ite had a similar idea about the anagrams. maybe we have to convert the #s to letters, and get a password for something else. i dont know what for yet.

7/24/2006 02:59:00 PM  
Blogger LostinFrogurt said...

Has anyone tried checking the shutdown hanso site for glyph flashes? Or maybe they've updated the psychology test to include a flash of glyph. Just trying to be helpful...

wv: Kivoi, a kiwi withan accent.

7/24/2006 03:00:00 PM  
Blogger sean said...

it would make sence for rb to put glyphs on the persephone page at thf.

7/24/2006 03:04:00 PM  
Blogger LostinFrogurt said...

Can't beat the original...

7/24/2006 03:06:00 PM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

has anyone check gidgetgirls blog or that other persons blog... mayeb they have info on there?

7/24/2006 03:11:00 PM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

I've tried finding gidgetgirls blog on rachels blog... to no avail.

7/24/2006 03:12:00 PM  

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