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Clue #88 - Fragment Code "vix7zxt97"

In the newest Official Lost Podcast there is an interruption in the middle (around 27:52) in which the new fragment code, "vix7zxt97" is revealed. Entering this code at hansoexposed.com reveals another video of Mr. Beardy saying "Why all the security, all the secrecy? The answer is simple."

*Check out Matt the Pale's summary of all the found fragment codes at...Matt the Pale's HansoExposed Video Fragment Code List

Thanks to Christopher, Peter, Mike the Canuck, John, Jeremy, Chompy, illuminarok

EDIT:
Since his ground-breaking interview with Rachel Blake, we've been keeping an eye on Jeff "Doc" Jensen over at Entertainment Weekly. Thought we'd let everyone know that he has gone public today with his latest theory about how the whole Lost Experience will turn out. HERE is a link if you'd like to check it out!

296 Comments:

Blogger Passafist said...

First!!!!!

7/31/2006 05:00:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

Second

7/31/2006 05:01:00 PM  
Blogger Selene said...

OMG. so high up!

7/31/2006 05:02:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

Third

7/31/2006 05:02:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

Fifth

7/31/2006 05:02:00 PM  
Blogger superdifey said...

Top ten - yeh!!

7/31/2006 05:03:00 PM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

top ten again!

7/31/2006 05:06:00 PM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

wish I had this kind of luck with finding the glyphs.

7/31/2006 05:08:00 PM  
Blogger kRaZyD said...

top ten!

7/31/2006 05:09:00 PM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

hello all

7/31/2006 05:13:00 PM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Is anybody else having problems getting connected into the new chat room? I was in this morning, but can't get connected again now.

7/31/2006 05:15:00 PM  
Blogger ldonaghy said...

i'm impatient to see the whole video now. anyone fancy hacking the hanso site? ;-)

7/31/2006 05:17:00 PM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

The really frustrating thing is that the whole thing is probably 3-4 minutes long and it's going to take weeks, if we keep going at this rate, to put it all together. All that work for 3-4 minutes. Better be big payoff.

7/31/2006 05:21:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

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7/31/2006 05:27:00 PM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

it isnt hanso, hanso was one of the people at the un that commissioned it, and when they no longer wnated it he got it from valenzetti for his own personal agenda. either way that is not alvar.

7/31/2006 05:31:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

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7/31/2006 05:31:00 PM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

once again I repeat, that is NOT Alvar!

7/31/2006 05:33:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Come on scout... we just got four frags released in the last 24 hours and 20 in 10 days and you're already complaining ;-)

They probably wanted some of the newbies to be able to catch up so last week was slow-paced for sure, but they do know how long the rest of Act IV & V are going to take so this, Act III will be spread out as long as is necessary to keep the game in line with season IIIIn response to the fragment where Beardy McBeard mentions that the equation has been buried,
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(on another note since we've gone to a 3rd comment blogger since last night)

LHorse007 said...
I told you guys he wasn't Alvar, hehe. -----
I seriously doubt Alvar would refer to it that way if he was one of the people who had commissioned to find it.

Hey LHorse-

Hanso wasn't one of the people who commissioned it, the U.N. was... Hanso, had addressed the United Nations Security Council in 1967 as weapons were/are his speciality. Through these ties is where he probably learned the extent of the equation, but it's not any kind of proof that it isn't Hanso, YET.

7/31/2006 05:39:00 PM  
Blogger oodles said...

I agree with Marcus; there's no evidence yet to show unambigously whether this is Alvar Hanso or not. I'm pretty sure the continuation to "I'm ..." will be published last. Personally I think this is Hanso; a) because he says 'my organisation', b) TPTB are holding out on his identity, c) he someone who's face we had not yet come across, and d) because he has a nordic kind of accent (I may be crap at finding glyphs but I have a good ear for accents).

7/31/2006 05:40:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Of course, I may be wrong, but here's my order so far...

ohge
zy6c
4kvklaydm0
gmx18bcj
7hkbh


xigz2y10s2
m6xy398
88ch

3gtvi0m11
rgmr

7ti
3xgt
1ey8azczna2
vix7zxt97

rxmhjh9y
rrgyxs
fvh7n

ig3x

vdados7yre0

4ho

748l


There's a few, of which, we have no way of determining the order, so I'm guessing at location of some of these...

7/31/2006 05:41:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Thanks for your re-affirmation Christine #2... Are you really sure or do you want to fight about it ;-)

7/31/2006 05:42:00 PM  
Blogger tdspwp said...

Does anyone have an updated list of the sequence of the clips (1-21)? thanks..

7/31/2006 05:44:00 PM  
Blogger tdspwp said...

oops! didn't see bellys post before I asked, sorry :)

7/31/2006 05:45:00 PM  
Blogger Selene said...

oodles- Yes, he has a nordic accent, although I'm not sure if it's Danish. He sounds Swedish because that is how Swedes would pronouns certain words(about, secret, decided etc.) but since THF doesn't have any ties(that we know of) to Sweden, I would say that the closest thing would be Norwegian. Why? Sweden and Norway have closer ties in history and in language than Sweden has to Denmark.
JMHO as a Swede.

7/31/2006 05:48:00 PM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

bring it on marcus

7/31/2006 05:50:00 PM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

Hmm this is nice.... we get the comic con coverage again,,, but with good audio!

7/31/2006 05:51:00 PM  
Blogger Kimber said...

Ok, I am lost on the order of the clips. Has someone figured out an order yet?

7/31/2006 05:51:00 PM  
Blogger Kimber said...

Thank you belly maybe I should read first. Sorry

7/31/2006 05:53:00 PM  
Blogger NiteSea said...

belly,
I think the group beginning with 7ti goes right after 7hkbh... if you look at the way the latter ends, they seem to fit together...

7/31/2006 05:57:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

hmmm... i think you maybe right... I gotta rearrange it now... to see.. lemme see...

7/31/2006 06:02:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

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7/31/2006 06:03:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

This is most probably THEE, the orientation video that Mittlewerk, Peter Thompson and the woman are talking about in the Rachel recording from Sanremo:

TWM: Do you want to see Alvar Hanso, Peter? Why don't you watch the orientation film... he talks all about the Valenzetti Equation. I'll send you the DVD.
...
He (Valenzetti) offered it to the U.N. - they didn't want it, but Alvar Hanso did. Hanso wanted to carry out research. Good work based on the Valenzetti equation and in exchange Valenzetti donated it to Alvar Hanso.

7/31/2006 06:06:00 PM  
Blogger SunBruise said...

People, post your order so we can all put it together and might be able to get it in the right order.

http://hansoexposed.com/player/bb0c3f54185bd740e8989dde381b5f5d

7/31/2006 06:13:00 PM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

Do you guys think we'll be having alot of episodes of lost off the island next year... like maybe the majority of them showing scenes off the island?

7/31/2006 06:35:00 PM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

It's not Alvar. I'm thinking 3 moves in advace, and I don't see how this could be Alvar. This clip is just a little help towards blocking one path the video could take towards him saying so.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I still it's not Alvar.

7/31/2006 06:56:00 PM  
Blogger NiteSea said...

here's my order: http://hansoexposed.com/player/a6532df666d45705c2ac905bde1c26b2

7/31/2006 06:58:00 PM  
Blogger NiteSea said...

sunbruise- looks like our only difference is where we put the DHARMA acronym clip... I'm still up in the air on where that one goes, since it's the only one so far that doesn't have enough context to place it chronologically in reference to anything else...

7/31/2006 07:06:00 PM  
Blogger SunBruise said...

Same, I just put it there for now, I sure it doesnt go where I put it.

7/31/2006 07:08:00 PM  
Blogger oodles said...

re Sanremo conversation:
Good find Marcus,
forgot about that. So we know that TMW has a copy of the video on DVD - could well be the one he's showing to 'the audience' which Rachel recorded onto 'our' video.

7/31/2006 07:38:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

Hey all...it's been awhile since I've posted. Been busy with school and photography and what not. Just wanted to drop a line and say hi to ya'll. Got get going now...school's a-calling!

Hope you all had a great weekend!

7/31/2006 07:50:00 PM  
Blogger natevoodoo said...

subruise
great comment on the new clip showing alvar cross from the window.
it got me analyzing the background.

here's my order and some explanation:
http://hansoexposed.com/player/7609fc1f6f8d88b740318b82cbeb6119

#1 Code: OHGE
Summary: Logo fades in from black.
Screen Text: THE DHARMA INITIATIVE ©1975 The Hanso Foundation

Reason: beginning of orientation film

#2 Code: ZY6C
Summary: DHARMA logo fades in, then fades to black.
Screen Text: "DHARMA ORIENTATION"
Reason: This clip appears to link directly with clip #1 OHGE


#3 Code: 4KVKLAYDM0
Summary: Fade from black, Mr. Beardy is looking soulfully out of a window, then turns to the camera.
Transcript: "I'm—"

Reason: This clip appears to link directly with clip #2 ZY6C


#4 Code: GMX18BCJ
Summary: Medium shot of Mr. Beardy with a sign behind him on his right.
Transcript: "If you're watching this film, you already know and have worked with Gerald and Karen DeGroot."
Reason: Small break for his introduction. Still next to window with plant at screen right.

#5 Code: 7TI
Summary: Footage of a rocky beach and a palm tree with voice-over from Mr. Beardy.
Transcript: "In a few weeks, after your induction, counselling, and survival training, you and your colleagues will be shipped to a top-secret facil—"

Reason: I'm assuming the break after the introduction of the DeGroots, he says something like: The DeGroots have been training your for a special mission...

#6 Code: 3ZGT
Summary: Footage of desert-like hills, then of a fog-shrouded tropical island.
Transcript: "The precise location of the facility is known only to myself."

Reason: Continuation of footage of a tropical location and talking about the facility the audience members will be going to.

#7 Code: 1EY8AZCZNA2
Summary: Black and white footage of a fog-shrouded tropical island with a Voice-over from Mr. Beardy.
Transcript: "The DeGroots, the few high-ranking members of my organization."

Reason: This clip seems to immediately follow #6 3ZGT

#8 Code: 7HKBH
Summary: Cut from medium shot with sign behind to a close-up on Mr. Beardy's face.
Transcript: "As with all you've already been told, you are bound by your honor and commitment to keep what you are about to hear a secret."

Reason: Still next to window with framed (diploma?) screen left behind his head and (starburst wallclock?) screen right. Sounds like a disclaimer statement for secrecy that would normally go near the beginning, not the middle.

#9 Code: VIX7ZXT97
Summary: Medium shot of Mr. Beardy as he walks across to his left away from the window.
Transcript: "Why all the security? All the secrecy? The answer is simple:"
Reason: Show him crossing to screen right. Plant moves to screen left. References the "secrecy/security" from the island setup and clip #8 7HKBH

#10 Code: XIGZ2Y10S2
Summary: Stock footage of battleships, airplanes, a nuclear explosion, Kennedy, Khrushchev, Casto, a submarine, and a jet airplane.
Transcript: "In 1962, only [thirteen] years ago, the world came to the brink of nuclear war. The United States and the Soviet Union almost fulfilled the promise of Mutual Assured Destruction, a promise they continue to foster through a destructive Cold War."
Reason: Gives historical background near the beginning like most speeches to place relevance and importance for audience. Not normally done in the middle of a speech.

#11 Code: M6XY398
Summary: Medium close-up on Mr. Beardy.
Transcript: "After the Cuban Missile Crisis, both nations decided to find a solution. The result—"

Reason: Linking transition sentence from discussion in clip #10 XIGZ2Y10S2

#12 Code: 3GTVI0M11
Summary: Medium shot of Mr. Beardy standing behind overlayed text.
Transcript: "It also stands for the one true way."
Screen Text: Department of Heuristics And Research on Material Applications

Reason: I'm assuming here that he's going to say that the USA initiated the DHARMA initiative as a result of the Cuban Missile Crisis. I was thinking that this would go more naturally with the island clips, but the plant is screen right which means its later in the tape. This might make sense that the USA govt is involved because of the CIA operative who was in the hatch.

#13 Code: 88CH
Summary: Black and white footage of the United Nations outside then inside.
Transcript: "Commissioned under the highest secrecy through the U.N. Security Council—"
Reason: I'm assuming he linking the DHARMA initiative with the Valenzetti Equation through the United Nations.

#14 Code: RGMR
Summary: Close-up on Mr. Beardy, then film strip runs ahead at the end.
Transcript: "Although the equation has been buried by those who comissioned it."
Reason: Logically follows sometime after clip #13 88CH

#15 Code: RXMHJH9Y
Summary: Close-up on Mr. Beardy weighted to the left, then cut to medium close-up.
Transcript: "[static] Its results are chilling, and attention must be paid."
Reason: Uses possessive pronoun "its" to refer to Equation mention is previous clip #14 RGMR. Flows well after #14 if not immediately following it.

#16 Code: RRGYXS
Summary: A close-up on Mr. Beardy's face weighted to the right.
Transcript: "We [will/all] know that the one true way has been found."
Reason: Sounds like a concluding wrapup statement. Referencing DHARMA clip explanation that it "also means the one true way" Back ground matches clips 14 & 15.


#17 Code: FVH7N
Summary: Medium close-up of Mr. Beardy, cut to extreme close-up on his hands, then back to previous. Cuts to black then DHARMA logo.
Transcript: "Thank you and namaste."
Screen Text: ©1975 THE HANSO FOUNDATION
Reason: Obviously the end of the orientation film.

#18 Code: IG3X
Summary: Camera pulls away from DHARMA logo to swing around to Mittelwerk between two boxes.
Screen Text: ©1975 THE HANSO FOUNDATION
Reason: This clips seems to flow directly from #17 FVH7N

#19 Code: VDADOS7YRE0
Summary: Mittelwerk, standing in front of some rectangular object, being filmed from between two boxes.
Transcript: "I just want to tell all of you that I trust you to do what is best."
Reason: Still between two boxes (vertical slit) as in clip #18 IG3X

#20 Code: 4HO
Summary: Mittelwerk being filmed through a hole in a box; he's walking left while talking.
Transcript: "We have done our level best, and yet—"
Reason: Viewing hole is horizontal rounded slit of a box (used for gripping). Must be after scenes between the boxes, or possibly before start of Orientation Film. But I think after.

#21 Code: 748L
Summary: Mittelwerk being filmed through a hole in a box. He's standing still next to a window.
Transcript: "Know it by heart. Don't waver."
Reason: I can't link clips 20 & 21 by Mittelwerk's statements logically. But since this view is closer up, I'm assuming she approached the hole before clip #20 and then got closer for clip 21. So 21 should follow 20.

7/31/2006 08:04:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

So this is where everyone went after 5:00! I was offline for dinner.

Belly: Did you get my question from yesterday about how to make your name appear correctly on my blog post titles? If not, I can re-explain.

7/31/2006 08:07:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Good work, Nate. I like the posted reasons.

7/31/2006 08:11:00 PM  
Blogger Ratmanislost said...

Hi Nitesea:

How did you get to do that with your sequence. It's so cool to be able to see it like that. I am struggling with just keeping mine together. Is there something I am missing or that I haven't read to get my sequence to do that?

7/31/2006 08:13:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Oodles - about how far is your island location from Fiji (I may not know where the island could be, but I still leave room for the possibility that there is a "way" to island from the south pacific...) AND I like playing with the idea of opposite points of the earth, etc.

Hey, if you continued with your theory, does that give a possible reason for the Polar Bear or do you still hold that some things will need a different explanation?

7/31/2006 08:13:00 PM  
Blogger lostmyid said...

ratman;
dont forget to 'save' your sequences before you leave the site. also, you can email it to yourself after saving. check your email, click on the link.. and there you go.

7/31/2006 08:28:00 PM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Marcus and Oodles- do you guys have a blogspot that you are posting all your research and theories to so that we can all follow? or are you just doing it all in these comments section? You guys have some great ideas. You should blog them if you aren't.

7/31/2006 08:34:00 PM  
Blogger dave21r21 said...

I like that Nate. One thing I would change is moving #9 to #8 because that clip starts with a shot of the island that is also at the end of #7.

7/31/2006 08:43:00 PM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Is anyone else having trouble getting into the new chat room? I can't get in- keep getting a connection timed out message.

7/31/2006 08:44:00 PM  
Blogger dave21r21 said...

Here's part of what I have so far. I'm only focusing on the orientation video for now since that's the majority of what we have so far.
http://hansoexposed.com/player/969ad48e5638a8affd0bb480ae450de2

7/31/2006 08:46:00 PM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

For the "Do It Yourselfers" go into your browser cache folder and delete all unnecessary files (BE Careful, you can mess up your history) In Opera, it is straight forward, just don't delete the "dcache4" file. Now log onto hansoexposed, and load your video segments. Once loaded, go back into browser cache and copy all the file into a new folder. At this point in time you should have 21 oddly named .flv files...those are the video clips. These can be renamed and played back offline one at a time with a flv player like "FLV Player" (free shareware, do a google search.

There is more manipulating you can do with these files, but I wont go into that now. As more video segments are added, Dial Up users will be cut out of the loop, because of download times, so storing the flv files in a clean directory will allow dial uppers to at least see the fragments. In the mean time I have youtubed the video, so dial up ppl can maybe see it (when I had dial up, 12 megs an hour was good rate, this video is now at 7.5 megs, which is over 1/2 hour to download this thing)

Many dial up users have good brains, just no broadband...let's help em a little.

7/31/2006 08:59:00 PM  
Blogger natevoodoo said...

dave21r21
you're right. when you move things around so much i guess you lose your orginal reasoning for putting two files together.


my #9 has to come after my #8 because of the continuity of him crossing the room. so I guess #8 comes before the island sequence and after the intro.

The template could be a good way to keep track of ordering reasons here.
The transcript and shot descriptions were yanked from Mett the Pale. Thanks to him for typing those up.

7/31/2006 09:04:00 PM  
Blogger biotronx said...

thinbluemime - there's a MUCH easier way to do it. simply go to:

http://www.hansoexposed.com/fragments/[filename].flv

and change [filename] to any of the codes, ie:

http://www.hansoexposed.com/fragments/1ey8azczna2.flv

just save each file to your hard drive.

7/31/2006 10:09:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Hey scout-

Just been commenting in here, etc. as there is so much stuff out there and I'm sure much of my theories are based within some of the discussions or ideas of others, but I am glad that TLE will payoff with:

According to SCI-FI Wire, the producers of Lost told them that The Lost Experience will culminate with a series of revelations about the show's mysteries. "Currently in phase three of five of the interactive challenge, the meaning behind the numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42, which play a significant role on the television series, will be revealed," ABC said in a press release. So far, The Lost Experience has unveiled information regarding the Black Rock and the significance in the title of the DHARMA Initiative. The Lost Experience will continue to the premiere of season three, revealing secrets behind the mysterious Alvar Hanso and the Hanso Foundation, the network announced.

7/31/2006 10:10:00 PM  
Blogger NiteSea said...

ratman,
Sorry, I was offline for awhile... Were you able to figure it out? When you have your clips in the order you want them in, hit save and a link will appear for several seconds right above where you hit Save. You can click on that and it will play your sequence in a new window. Or, like lostmyid said, you can click "Send Sequence" and send yourself an email with the link to watch it later. These can both only be done from the most zoomed out view of the clips.

7/31/2006 10:13:00 PM  
Blogger washu2010 said...

Can anyone help me out in downloading the fragment flv files using a mac and accessing the internet through safari? Help would be greatly appreciated as it would be a huge time saver/much less of a hassle.

Thanks!

7/31/2006 10:33:00 PM  
Blogger skick said...

Washu2010:

As a very loyal Mac user.....ditch Safari. Drag it out of your doc and download Firefox. Firefox is better than anything out there, PC or Mac, but with a Mac, it is like Chocolate and mint.
Mmmmmmmmm. :-)

7/31/2006 10:41:00 PM  
Blogger biotronx said...

washu2010 - check out my last post above. you should be able to follow the same instructions

7/31/2006 10:51:00 PM  
Blogger washu2010 said...

I've gotten it to work. Thanks everybody for your help!

7/31/2006 10:59:00 PM  
Blogger trevorgladez said...

Skick: is firefox a freebie? I have safari but it sucks. I need to upgrade.

7/31/2006 11:27:00 PM  
Blogger biotronx said...

firefox is a free browser by mozilla. do a google search and download it. it's a great browser

7/31/2006 11:40:00 PM  
Blogger Mark Treitel said...

gah! hansoexposed.com is buggy on firefox too.

it won't load the pieces...


so annoying...

8/01/2006 01:27:00 AM  
Blogger Midnight Ace said...

Sheesh... I go home from work at 8am with very little going on, and through sleep and other activities, didn't get back online until I got back to work tonight at midnight... and what happens? Four new glyphs... hate when I miss all the fun...

Anyhow, here's my current order, in case anyone's interested:

1) ohge
2) zy6c
3) 4kvklaydm0
4) gmx18bci
5) 7hkbh
6) 7ti
7) 3zgt
8) 1ey8azczna2
9) vix7zxt97
10) xigz2y10s2
11) m6xy398
12) 88ch
13) 3gtvi0m11
14) rgmr
15) rxmhjh9y
16) rrgyxs
17) fvh7n
18) lg3x
19) vdados7yre0
20) 4ho
21) 748l

Gotta love a good movie, even if it IS still seriously patchy... eh, it helps pass the time of the graveyard shift, at least...

8/01/2006 01:38:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

biotronx said...

"thinbluemime - there's a MUCH easier way to do it. simply go to:

http://www.hansoexposed.com/fragments/[filename].flv

and change [filename] to any of the codes, ie:

http://www.hansoexposed.com/fragments/1ey8azczna2.flv

just save each file to your hard drive."

biotronx thanks for the info...this would allow slow connection ppl to only download the one segment they wanted to see...I like it and Thanks Again!

8/01/2006 03:44:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

OPERA is free.. I hate the name because it causes confusion, but that aside, OPERA is the best browser I have ever used...I Highly recommend it. (multi pane windows, news feeds, ad blocker..on and on features)

http://www.opera.com/

8/01/2006 03:49:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

Just a note to everybody concerned about dial-up:

The site downloads the files to your web cache and runs from there, so once you've retrieved the files through code entry they will sit on your computer until you ditch the cache.

I presume those wanting to download the clips have a Flash Video player available to actually watch them...

8/01/2006 04:12:00 AM  
Blogger Stefan said...

Don't want to read all the comments.
You know that this 'mr Beardy' is Alvar Hanso, right?

8/01/2006 05:17:00 AM  
Blogger Benito said...

There's nothing that confirms him as to being Alvar yet.

8/01/2006 06:14:00 AM  
Blogger Passafist said...

Except Rachel's talk from a few weeeks ago of an orientation video that features Alvar Hanso!!!!

8/01/2006 06:52:00 AM  
Blogger Sam to the rescue! said...

I think it is Alvar in the vid. In fact, I'd be very VERY surprised if it wasn't. We need a poll! :)

8/01/2006 07:22:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

As with everything in this game nothing is ever confirmed until it's slapped in your face, but there are some things that have always been obvious such as Rachel = Persephone and DJ Dan needing to increase his meds, but it;s always been our differing perceptions that has been the source of debate.

This is one of them - I really can't see there being any doubt that Mr. Beardy is Alvar Hanso.

This entire video is from Rachel's trip to Sri Lanka where supposedly THE big thing is happening. Mittelwerk is briefing his team on this and is effectively revealing to them THF's entire endgame, its history and motivations. That history is delivered through the original and complete DHARMA Orientation video (of which Mittelwerk has confirmed previously features Alvar Hanso).

It is this video Rachel has captured at Sri Lanka.

Now, the big question really isn't "is that Alvar Hanso", it's what's going on. I really doubt the DHARMA Orientation film is going to reveal anythimg shocking - we know the DHARMA Initiative was created in response to the chilling results of the Valenzetti Equation and we've seen plenty of freaky things it's involved with but I think the real meat is Mittelwerk and Sri Lanka (why do you think TPTB are filling in the Orientation video first?).

That's what I want to see, and that's why I'm still around lol

8/01/2006 07:47:00 AM  
Blogger GrOvEr said...

well i highley think the beardy guy in the he clips is hanso. because of one of the seens u can see him walking away from the window that looks the same from the photo

8/01/2006 07:58:00 AM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Morning all. Can we all agree that frags ohge, zy6c, and 4kvklaydm0 start the orientation vid and that fvh7n, ig3x and vdados7yre0 end the orientation vid and make the transition to mittelwerks speech?

8/01/2006 08:01:00 AM  
Blogger Beana said...

I want to believe he is Hanso, but I do have my doubts. I'm sure the screen shot of him staring out the window was done on purpose, but I'm not sure if that was done to throw us off track or confirm our suspiscions. He does say, "my organization" in one of the clips. Hopefully we'll find out more today!

8/01/2006 08:15:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

i'd agree with the first half crossfade but there's at least one clip between ig3x and vdados7yre0 we don't have yet - there's no transition between Mittelwerk's arm outstretched and him talking.

8/01/2006 08:17:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Maybe he is just som guy they hired to intro the video? More than likely it is Hanso, but until we here him finish saying, I'm...we won't know for sure.

I think you have it Cross, just add a space for the clip Shakey is talking about...

8/01/2006 08:28:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

i cant believe how much the comments section has slowed down.
my thought is that people are starting to lose interest and are not as into it as when the game started (with a few exceptions, of course.)

i want to believe beardy is hanso. i think it will be more interesting if thats how it turns out. rather than it just being some other guy.

btw-its 110 degrees on the east coast. jeez, its unbearable.

8/01/2006 09:06:00 AM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Sean, well it is earlt in the morning, but no one's in the irc room either.

8/01/2006 09:07:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Morning all!

I agree with you Shakey. I have said since the first clip of Mr. Beardy that it is Alvar Hanso. The number one thing that sold me was the conversation between TWM and Peter Thompson on the beach in Sanremo: TWM told Thompson that he has a DVD of an orientation film with Alvar talking about the Valenzetti Equation. Everything else just falls into place.

The thing that has me worried is: Could this video indeed be the end? This video can reveal all we been told will be revealed: The numbers, the Valenzetti Equation, more DHARMA stuff. Also, we can also get pretty much exactly what TWM is currently up to as he lectures potential new scientists and workers. Once we know what TWM is up to, what are we supposed to do? We know he's headed for that mysterious island with a boatload of "stuff" and now a group of people. Once he's been exposed (supposedly by this video), are we supposed to stop him?

The only big question maybe remaining will still be: Where is Alvar Hanso? Maybe our job is to find him and get him to help stop TWM and rest of the current Hanso Foundaton gang.

8/01/2006 09:14:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

sean/crossfade-People don't have anything to talk about. I used to love to post and specualte, but come on how many times can we discuss whether Mr. Beardy is Alvar Hanso....other than that there's not much else to do except complain about hansoexposed.com, talk about the show (which spoils for others), and reorder our clips. Here's hoping the last 49 clips will have more to offer.

Maven Wrote: The only big question maybe remaining will still be: Where is Alvar Hanso? Maybe our job is to find him and get him to help stop TWM and rest of the current Hanso Foundaton gang.
I agree Maven, I have been trying to figure where this would go once we KNOW the big secret. BUT we will still have to find out who Rachel really is, and figure out why she is so important.

8/01/2006 09:20:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Hi, ange: Yes, you're right. Another big question still unanswered (and most likely not in the video) will be Rachel's motives and possibly who her parents are. I'm still in the camp that she's related to Alvar (most likely granddaughter).

So far these clips have not provided us with anything that is earth shattering. Most of us figured alot of this out already from other sources. Any big reveal or informational clip will be held to the very end!

8/01/2006 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

ange: Yeah, does anyone have an unresolved issues page for the TLEC. There's a lot more besides what Mittlework is up to. The ones you mentioned plus:
-Who hacked Persephone's hack?
-Why was Save Me referenced so many times? Who is it?
-Who are Rachel's parents?
etc... Anyone know if they are compiled somewhere?

8/01/2006 09:24:00 AM  
Blogger Tresbien said...

Crossfade, I think it's simply too soon to know for sure the order of these clips. I believe that Rachel will start saying where she's going in Sri Lanka, Mittelwerk addressing this group both before and after the orientation film (possibly two films), and Rachel again at the end.

I don't know if bearded guy is Alvar or not. He doesn't seem to be old enough to have sold arms during WWII, but he does refer to "my organization." And this man filmed in 1975 is not the same person whose photo was in the 1980 orientation film. I'm thinking it's either Alvar or his son. Dad could have continued running the company while the son ran the foundation. A son also would be a better age fit to have fathered Rachel.

8/01/2006 09:24:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

I checked in today because there's an easy to read article on invisibility on, of all things, Yahoo News yesterday.

Scientist thinks invisibility possible in future

8/01/2006 09:32:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Hi, tresbien: Yes, I agree it's way too early to really get a consensus as to what the order should be. Everytime someone posts their sequence, I check it against mine and there's usually a few that are different. As long as we start putting the clips in some sort of section order as we get them, we need to wait for more to fill in the blanks. It can give you somewhat an idea of where this is going, but we need to wait for quite a few more to get a more definitive order.

It's very frustrating comparing mine to others. I've stopped doing that. LOL

8/01/2006 09:32:00 AM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

tresbian: I was mainly trying to put into order the way the orientation vid starts and how it ends/ translates to mittelwerks speech.

8/01/2006 09:34:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

twinkle-someone started an unanswered questions thread in the message board a little while ago. It was last updated at clue 69. If there is interest I will take what he has and add to it in a new thread that we could all contribute to.
Link to Unanswered Questions

8/01/2006 09:37:00 AM  
Blogger Young Wallace said...

More unanswered questions:

What happened to SaveJoop.com?
Will SaveJoop.com affect Hanso, THF, TWM, the island?
Will that train with the lasers on it ever stop honking its clown horn?

8/01/2006 09:42:00 AM  
Blogger lordnune said...

You know I was thinking of something, especially since you are on Maven, I wanted to talk about with you and others. I read your and Jamaster's Lost Grand Theory the other day and I was wondering why...







******************SPOILER ALERT***************************

you have Magnus and slaves as the potential creators of the foot statue? Just curious why you thought they made it? My first thoughts when I saw this was that it is much, much older than this. My first thought that came to my head is that maybe the island was inhabited long ago and was somehow a part of a very old civilization, and while there are no other relics that they have found on the island yet, maybe the island detached from some sort of mainland? I don't know if anyone else has ever brought this up, but it was just an idea - maybe they would even tie it in to Atlantis or some such thing? So I was just curious why you and Jamaster came up with Magnus having created it?

8/01/2006 09:43:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

hi, lordune: Thanks for checking out our Lost Grand Theory (a work in progress!). Jamaster actually worked on that section, but since we have no solid evidence as this point for that statute, it's just a theory utilizing what known info we do have. Basing it on the fact that Magnus was a slave trader, the Black Rock is there on the island, so most likely slaves were also there. Maybe it was some god that these slaves worshipped. I really don't want to speak for jamaster (who did that section), so maybe you can email him or leave a comment on our message board, and he can better explain his reasoning,

This is a theory afterall, and we welcome comments such as yours and other ways to look at things.

8/01/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

when peter thompson asked TVM if Alvar was on-board with the "project" that they were doing, TVM said that Yes Alvar was, the orientation dvd about the Valenzetti equation has Alvar talking all about it. This leads me to believe the the DVD that TVM was talking about was a newer video and not one from the 80's.

8/01/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

Why would TVM show reference a video that was decades old to Peter Thompson. It just would seem silly.

8/01/2006 09:57:00 AM  
Blogger PowerSlave73 said...

tresbien -

I like the idea of Mr. Beardy being Hanso's son because the age thing really has been bothering me too. But, I would think that if Alvar had a son it would have come up before now, especially if he is working in the organization.

I think I'm in the camp that believes the guy in the video is Alvar, but I would love for the video or act IV or V to explain how a guy who should be in his late 50's or 60's looks like he's in his early to mid 40's in 1975.

BTW: My order is pretty much the same as BellyO's with maybe the only difference being that I have the clip with the DHARMA graphic next to the one that says, "You will know when the one true way has been found" but with out more clips I can't figure out where that one should really go.

8/01/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger lordnune said...

yeah, no I understand the theory, and I thought a lot of the ideas were great! I was just curious what had made you think of Magnus making that - I will ask Jamaster. It just seems to me that the statue looked much older than something built in 1881 (or thereafter). So on my silly idea of Atlantis though, has anyone ever talked about that? That maybe there are more forces at work with the "incidents" than just current human intervention (like the Losties or the Others causing the incidents)? Maybe the statue was a clue that an older civilization had died out from the same sort of incidents? Maybe an older civilization had advanced technology to the point that they could have Lives Extended among other things, but something went terribly wrong? And maybe Hanso somehow found out about it and has been trying to achieve what an earlier civilization failed at? Just some thoughts that went through my head when I saw the foot, and obviously my first thought was of Atlantis. Just curious if anyone else had ever discussed this.

8/01/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

tresbien: I don't the "he doesn't look like Alvar" side of the argument holds up any more.

Which is a shame.

We've seen so many minor yet important continuity errors so far I don't think we can rely on the comparison arguments any more.

I guess we'll just have to hang on and see - it'll be a bit crap if it's not Alvar though.

And I want all this on the Season 2 DVD set!

8/01/2006 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger lordnune said...

powerslave73-

I agree with you, but most people seem to think that if Alvar is getting younger looking, it is because of the Life Extension Projects. There seems to be some discrepancies with both TWM looking younger in more recent videos too, and obviously Dr. Wickmund/Candle as well. So maybe they are all starting to look younger and maybe TPTB are doing this on purpose - I would hate to think that they are making that many mistakes otherwise lol!

8/01/2006 10:06:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

christine: I think Mittelwerk wasn't directly referring Thompson to the DVD for any research purposes, it was just a little dig saying "well if you want to see him so bad go watch this DVD and get your kicks"

8/01/2006 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

no I dont think that is plausabble. TVM said if you want to see if Alvar is on board, then watch the DVD. They were discussing a current project, I dont think it was for kicks.

8/01/2006 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Yes, shakey and christine: When TWM referred Thompson to the DVD it was because Thompson was "bugging" him about whether Alvar was onboard or not since he hasn't been seen for awhile. TWM replies that, of course, he's on board. I have a DVD of him talking all about the Valenzetti Equation. There's your proof! (paraphrasing)

One possible way to explain the age problem with Alvar on the video in 1975 and "Alvar" in the grainy photo seen in 1980 films (and on THF website dated Oct. 28, 2003): The grainy, long distance photo of the head of THF shows a distinguished gentleman. Maybe that "stock" photo was used instead of a younger person (the Alvar from circa 1975) for some unknown reason. (The head of a big Foundation should be seen as older and more distinguished?) Also, maybe this strange blood disease he has can rapidly age people? Maybe Alvar has gone into hiding by 1980 and they used this stock photo in the orientation videos. I know these are bizarre, off-the-wall theories but isn't this whole thing that way? LOL

8/01/2006 10:27:00 AM  
Blogger katmai51 said...

In true Lost fashion, we should be prepared for the possibility of not finding out who Mr. Beardy is (at least from the video). It's possible that his name will be one of those "bits" the video drops or edits (a recurring problem with DHARMA videos it seems). The connection from the Valenzetti equation to the numbers may be all we get from this act, and maybe an idea of why mittelwerk is showing this video to people, presumably on his big custom container vessel. I don't know if that qualifies as a theory, but I wouldn't be super-shocked if it went down that way.

8/01/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

I understand this is just a discussion, but a couple of people are so adamant about their interpretation of clues being so much more "spot on" than seeing "a cigar is just a cigar"

Yesterday, I posted a transcribed section of Mittlewerk, Peter Thompson & a woman in Sanremo and this is DVD was something Rachel wanted and GG may have even supplied to her. Maven picked up on the tone of the discussion about the DVD, but Christine #2, believes that there must be a newer orientation video. There doesn't have to be a new film to be on DVD as we are probably watching this 1975 film on a DVD transfer of the original. TWM is trying to rereate the original expedition and isn't starting from scratch.

(partial transcription of recording)

Mysterious Woman: Well what does Hanso have to say?

TWM: Hanso is totally onboard.

PT: (sarcastically) Yeah, it would be nice if he made an appearance.

TWM: (In a very dramatic & ironic tone) YOU WANT TO SEE ALVAR HANSO PETER Why don't you watch the orientation film, he talks all about the Valenzetti Equation.
...
He (Valenzetti) offered it to the U.N. - they didn't want it, but Alvar Hanso did. Hanso wanted to carry out research. Good work based on the Valenzetti equation and in exchange Valenzetti donated it to Alvar Hanso

http://au.i1.yimg.com/au.yimg.com/i/tv/lost/gallery/mischief/no_yesmen.mp3

8/01/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

In respect to this 5-act ARG and to finding the source of The Numbers (if they're related to the Valenzetti Equation) and other answers:

According to SCI-FI Wire, the producers of Lost told them that The Lost Experience will culminate with a series of revelations about the show's mysteries. "Currently in phase three of five of the interactive challenge, the meaning behind the numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42, which play a significant role on the television series, will be revealed," ABC said in a press release. So far, The Lost Experience has unveiled information regarding the Black Rock and the significance in the title of the DHARMA Initiative. The Lost Experience will continue to the premiere of season three, revealing secrets behind the mysterious Alvar Hanso and the Hanso Foundation, the network announced.

8/01/2006 11:01:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

Well with the available evidence I'm pretty sure that Rachel has captured on camera what is an "inner circle" of scientists about to embark on whatever the Sri Lanka project is (SPIDER Protocol we assume).

And being in the inner circle, Mittelwerk is saying "right ok...you're the best and the most trusted. This is what it's all about, this is why we're here *roll DHARMA Orientation video* OK this is it people. Namaste".

I don't think the Orientation video is being used for training purposes in this circumstance it's purely information for the team (and for us) revealing the full story of what's been going on and THF's motivations.

For this reason, as I've commented before, the big meaty reveal is going to be the happenings in Sri Lanka and THF's grand endgame, not the contents of the Orientation video.

Christine: in the italy audio clip, does Mittelwerk say to Thompson "if you want to see Alvar so bad" or "if you want to see Alvar on board"? I can't check it right. I heard the former hence my standpoint on Mittelwerk snapping back at Thompson. If it's the latter then I would concur that Thompson is in fact directed to the video as proof Hanso's still playing.

8/01/2006 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

Thanks marcus for that transcript segment. That's what I thought I heard, leading me to think that Mittelwerk's just being sarcastic in return to Thompson's cynicism.

Still, it's all open for debate which is why we're here so much!

8/01/2006 11:08:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

shakey: As you can see from the transcript that Marcus kindly posted...the DVD is proof that Hanso is "onboard".

I feel that this video will somehow reveal that TWM and the current Hanso Foundation gang are going forward with plans originally set up by Alvar back from when DHARMA started in 1970. But TWM has manipulated the reasoning behind DHARMA and SPIDER for his own purposes. Alvar was forced out from THF by TWM and the Board of Directors (which TWM controlled by blackmailing, etc.) and he took over control of THF. He now has a working version of the Valenzetti Equation (thanks to those autistic savants) and either knows the exact date of when the apocalypse will occur or he can manipulate the date. He's gathering a new batch of scientists and workers, he's got a lot of "stuff" on the HA and they're heading for that original island with the correct properties to install the SPIDER Protocol to prepare for the apocalypse. Using LEP (including genetic engineering and harvested organs), they plan to outlive any aftermath. Alvar originally set up DHARMA for good purposes, but slowly the goals were changed for evil purposes thanks to TWM.

8/01/2006 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger whitefalcon said...

Eighth moon of the Monkey thrice before.
A voice from the Middle knows much more.
~from Speakers blog.

I tried to read through all the comments on the bloag to see if anyone had touched on this, and I didnt see anything. Does it mean anything? Or just a joke? It was left as a blatant clue, supposedly.

It woudl be nice to have a clue about something that wasnt a 3 second clip from a vague poorly shot video.

8/01/2006 11:16:00 AM  
Blogger jess4ua said...

If this is an orientation video it sure raises a lot of questions for me.

spoiler************













If the video is the "first" video that the people who were being sent to the island saw, it's pretty suprising. The video seems to explain a lot about the dharma initiative. When Locke and Ecko found the pearl station, there was evidence that pushing the button was for nothing. Now we know different.
My point is that the HE orientation video has a lot of information in it. The orientation videos found on the island seem to be false or misleading. Also misleading, the pipe sending the log to nowhere.
So why would they have shown this new video to the "recruits"

Any Ideas???

8/01/2006 11:19:00 AM  
Blogger Tresbien said...

The continuity issue is certainly something to consider regarding the discrepancy between the 1975 film if it's Alvar and the photo used in the 1980 film and on THF site. It might be explained that Alvar being so reclusive didn't want his own picture on the website, but that would raise questions from people with whom he's interacted over the years. And there's one more thing to consider, which is the photo underneath Alvar's pic on THF site. Who is that guy and why was it hidden? If the 1975 film is Alvar, why didn't they simply age a photo of that person?

Another thing that bothers me is how Rachel speaks of him. Even if she disapproves of his actions and didn't know he was her father until recently, one would think she'd speak of him in a more personal way than "old Alvar."

8/01/2006 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger jess4ua said...

Tres- Rachel could speak of Alvar that way because she doen't want any of us to know that he is her father.

8/01/2006 11:25:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Hi, jess! I think this 1975 film was geared to the scientists who were going to the island to observe other people in the various stations. They would get the whole reasoning and information as to why they were getting involved in this. The Swan and Pearl films were orientation for the subjects of DHARMA, not the scientists who were observing them. IMHO.

8/01/2006 11:27:00 AM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Good morning, everyone... as always, I'm about to go read through all the comments to get caught up, but there are only about 30 or 40 of them since I was last here, so it won't take too long. Just wanted to say good morning and I hope to have a fruitful day and wish everyone good luck in their hunt(s)...

word... and namaste

8/01/2006 11:30:00 AM  
Blogger jess4ua said...

Hi Maven,
That makes sense!

8/01/2006 11:32:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Tres: Besides the fact that Rachel is not letting us in on her motives and relationship with any of the players yet, she would talk disparagingly (is that a word?) regarding Alvar because (1) she harbors resentment towards him because he was not part of most of her life, or (2) she resents him for leaving her mother or the way he treated her mother, or (3) she might not really know yet that she's related to him somehow (not likely, in my opinion).

8/01/2006 11:33:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

maven: i entirely agree with your idea on what's going on in sri lanka with teh whole apocalypse thing, but i guess your opening statement truly proves what marcus was saying about we all interpret things differently - based on that transcript I see nothing concrete to support that Hanso is truly on board with Mittelwerk's direction, merely hanso is now a ethereal figurehead used by Mittelwerk to keep the rest of the team going down his route.

jess4ua:
I don't think this team of scientists are new recruits, more like long-term specialists trusted to carry out the endgame, hence "inner circle". If any of the orientation videos are going to be misleading, I'd say it was those we've seen on the show - they are very cryptic, full of information holes and only telling the crews what they need to know (and the Pearl station is out and out false - we've seen that there's more to the Swan station than a "psychological experiment in progress").

Only once you are directly carrying out the final result of all THF's work do you get into the "inner circle" and everything is revealed.

To that end, it could well be that Sri Lanka has been the final target for the work all this time (nice little curveball thinking the "old island" was our Lost island) which is why anybody working on the DHARMA stations haven't seen the big orientation video.

Just a thought...

8/01/2006 11:34:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Thanks, jess! Hoped I made myself clear. LOL

8/01/2006 11:34:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

shakey: Yes, this whole thing is one big "interpretation". LOL

I really don't think Sri Lanka is the final destination. (It's even the current news with the government fighting Tamil Guerillas). I don't think it a place where they can set up something like the SPIDER Protocol, etc. without being detected right away. I think Sri Lanka was a "staging" place. Where the next group of scientists gathered to be picked up by the HA along with more equipment. Darla and Hugh didn't like what was happening in Sri Lanka because it was the gathering site and the last stop before the final destination. Maybe the last place where they could possibly stop what was going on. (Another interpretation. LOL)

8/01/2006 11:41:00 AM  
Blogger jess4ua said...

Shakey- Yeah I agree with that about the scientists. You could be right about the island too.
Maybe they had to leave the Lost island because of the incidents, and have a new target island. You just never know!

I can't get on the chat this morning. Worked fine last night, now it keeps timing out. Is there anyone out there who can help?

8/01/2006 11:43:00 AM  
Blogger jess4ua said...

Maven,
You are always clear.

LOL

spoiler**********************
maybe anyways












Another thing that keeps bothering me. Why are the food drops still going to the island?

8/01/2006 11:45:00 AM  
Blogger jess4ua said...

Especially if Sri Lanka were the new island, so to speak.

8/01/2006 11:46:00 AM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

I had the same problem yesterday. I think there was some spyware or antivirus software on my computer that was preventing it.

8/01/2006 11:50:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Thanks, jess.






**********spoiler****************
I think jamaster came up with why the food drops are still occuring in our Lost Grand Theory. I'd get into it now, but I have to leave. I'm actually doing something other than this today! Check back with you all later (hopefully with more glyphs -- tho I doubt it!)

8/01/2006 11:51:00 AM  
Blogger jess4ua said...

Scout-Thanx
My computer just ran a check for that. Didn't find any. How did you get rid of it?

8/01/2006 11:51:00 AM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

I turned it off. Playing this game has become more important than protecting my computer from viruses, etc. LOL so sad.

8/01/2006 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Jess4ua- cute kids by the way. Noticed you're from Atlanta- we have family in Sandy Springs and PTC. Beautiful there.

8/01/2006 11:59:00 AM  
Blogger Hanso Now! said...

New Glyff, for all of you who are too LOST to find your own way and need LIES to give you a purpose.

The Glyff, RGMR, is at http://www.channel4.com/apps26/userpages/UserPage/bands/viewUserPage?resourceId=312629UGK

Please, dont be sheep, dont blindly follow Ms. Blake... the TRUTH is the truth... not what you or Ms. Blake want her LIES to be!

HN

8/01/2006 12:08:00 PM  
Blogger jess4ua said...

Scout-LOL- I'll try that
Thank you.
We actually lived in PTC last year.
It was nice, but TOO MUCH construction.

8/01/2006 12:09:00 PM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Hanso Now! RGMR was found yesterday or day before- see clue #86. Most of us already have it.

8/01/2006 12:13:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

hanso now!: yeah, dude... sorry, but that's old... good luck with the whole pro-Hanso thing, tho... you may be right... neither side will truly know until the end, but it would be the most obvious twist for THF to end up truly being the good guys in the end... time will tell..

I think I'm going to name my next child something that ends with an exclamation point... People use apostrophes in the names of their children all the time, and José has that cool like tilde on top... but think of the impact an exclamation point would have on their self esteem if everyone said their name with such excitement... then I might explore more punctuation as well... maybe a question mark? ooh ooh... or a dollar sign... (sigh)... what's wrong with me...

8/01/2006 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Belly- rofl....I like the dollar sign idea though.
What's wrong with you? no new glyphs- that's what.

8/01/2006 12:50:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

well I leave for Hawaii tomorrow morning. I am going to Ohau, and will try and get to the Northshore where they film LOST. Will report back should I find anything. :D

8/01/2006 01:04:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

ange: If you're still on, I think it's a great idea to have a unexplained questions thread. I'd love to contribute to that. I haven't tried to contribute to the message boards though. It's hard enough to keep up with comments. Sorry for the dumb question but what's the difference besides the format?

8/01/2006 01:50:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

What do people think of the theory that the Hanso group split into two factions - one following Alvar and one following Mittlework and that they're working against each other?

It fits the description given when they were hunting for an actor for someone we think is Hanso. It also fits this underground idea and why Hanso might be pro-Rachel. Also why Mittlwork is in charge of HF and Alvar is AWOL.

8/01/2006 01:53:00 PM  
Blogger ChopsShaw said...

why is it that the hansoexposed page says only 19 have been released......I mean I have all 21 and it says 19 of 19...

8/01/2006 01:56:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

chopsshaw: If you're in the Recently Saved Sequences page the 19/19 means that it has loaded 19 of the 19 clips you have on your timeline. Some have reported that they'll have all the clips on the timeline but it will only register a portion of them on this screen. We don't know if it's totally a bug or somehow refers to the number you have in the right order.

8/01/2006 01:59:00 PM  
Blogger Fish_Biscuit said...

I was wondering if it has really gotten this slow here - or if everyone has moved over to the IRC chat...

I know the clips are not enough to keep all the brilliant minds busy - but there are still so many unanswered questions that I don't believe are going to be answered by this video.

I admit that I am addicted to lurking and very rarely post, but miss all the banter that usually goes on in here. Unfortunately, I can't view the IRC room at work.
:o(

8/01/2006 02:14:00 PM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

Food Drops..Maybe Penny Widmore...How & Why?

Why...because Desmond is there and she knows it

How...Since the Island can not be found?

The exact Island location may not be known by the supplier of food and etc, but the portal that leads to the island may be known...drop the food into the portal, in the hopes that the food arrives on the island...this would also explain why no plane was seen or heard during the most recent drop.

8/01/2006 02:17:00 PM  
Blogger Ange said...

Chopsshaw-HE.com says that I only have 5 clips but earlier I had 21...it is just super buggy.

Twinkle-The message board is easy...just read a thread and you can post a comment, similar to here, but less immidiate response. Check it out if you are serious, you can link to it on the right-----> under the research blog link. All you'd have to do is create a username and password. I will look into copying the other info and starting a new thread over there either today or tomorrow.

Oh and just_trying-Nope, not many over in the chat either...people are resuming life I think:)

8/01/2006 02:20:00 PM  
Blogger NiteSea said...

Did everyone see Doc Jensen's new column? He got the TLEC website wrong...

8/01/2006 02:39:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

any of you trade e-mails with mandrake wig???

8/01/2006 02:50:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

he is a weird little dude

8/01/2006 02:51:00 PM  
Blogger Hurley's Hotties said...

Hey I found this over on speaker's comments:

http://rachelblake.blogspot.com/


Anyone have any clue what it is?? I'm looking into those caps.

8/01/2006 02:53:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

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8/01/2006 02:56:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

congratz: what caps? the pic of the elephant?

8/01/2006 02:57:00 PM  
Blogger Hurley's Hotties said...

No..check out the capital letters. SOURCE.

I don't know what that means. But...

8/01/2006 03:00:00 PM  
Blogger NiteSea said...

it spells "source"... hmmm...

8/01/2006 03:01:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

that site looks like Rachel's blog and has a link to Rachel's profile, but her cover blog isn't updated with the image... behind the image appears to be a google earth shot... I'm trying to find it now... no new frags released yet, tho

8/01/2006 03:01:00 PM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

Check out the photo - if you click to enlarge it, a different photo comes up. Anyone know where that is?

8/01/2006 03:02:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

well... if you look at the Source code, it takes shows us to go to http://blockhanso.blogspot.com/ which has a new glyph and a code, but it does not work yet... there is a marina to investigate as well... CHECK IT OUT...

8/01/2006 03:05:00 PM  
Blogger NiteSea said...

anagrams for "Hambantota" maybe?

Boat Hat Man
Tan Ham Boat
Oat Man Bath
...

8/01/2006 03:05:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

mandrake is in game right???

8/01/2006 03:06:00 PM  
Blogger NiteSea said...

ah, that makes sense... good find, belly

8/01/2006 03:06:00 PM  
Blogger NiteSea said...

ooh, it's "one of the most important"... "don't lose it"? So maybe we should get paranoid and save all the clips to our hard drives?

8/01/2006 03:08:00 PM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

Just when I think I'm catching on to all of this computer stuff - I'm blindsided by source code!

Nice catch, Belly!

8/01/2006 03:10:00 PM  
Blogger Albatross said...

Hi folks--I just stopped by on the way from Speaker's blog. We think that whole new Rachel thing is fake. Check out the bad spelling & grammar throughout.

8/01/2006 03:10:00 PM  
Blogger Perminisconious said...

Actually, in terms of capital letters, I get SOURCJE. Yes, I know the J is at the beginning of a sentence, but no other words at the beginning of sentences are capitalized.

Also, the elephant picture has the URL of http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4269/acquakandytd5.jpg

The satelitte picture has the URL of http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/8607/myhomelv5.jpg

I'm wondering if 'acquakandyt5' might be the next code.

8/01/2006 03:11:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

noah bat mat

8/01/2006 03:12:00 PM  
Blogger Hurley's Hotties said...

Yeah I don't know anymore.

There are a few misspellings.

Could be fake.

The grammar might be to make the caps fit though.

8/01/2006 03:15:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

that blog looks suspicious to me. why would abc use imageshack to host pics? all her other pics were hosted on the same server as her site. fishy!

8/01/2006 03:15:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

I think it's fake... I think they just copied the template of Rachel's blogs and included all the links and posts from her pages to make them look legitimate... meh... gave us a LITTLE bit of excitement at least...

8/01/2006 03:16:00 PM  
Blogger Chelsea said...

Fashion Island is Newport Beach.
Could that be where the satellite photo is from?

8/01/2006 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger jess4ua said...

Maybe, "My site hacked" part is a freaking joke. When do we know of that her site has been hacked.

8/01/2006 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger oodles said...

IMO http://rachelblake.blogspot.com/ is real; it leads to Rachel's profile. The cap letters in the blog spell "SOURCE". The source code contains http://blockhanso.blogspot.com/
which is her new stophanso blog. She writes "... The truth is in the video. The glyphs are coming. This one is one of the most important. Don't lose it." So that fragmenr may be released at a later date.

8/01/2006 03:20:00 PM  
Blogger Albatross said...

Glad I could extend an olive branch from the other board! I better go back--looks like we may have the culprit...

8/01/2006 03:20:00 PM  
Blogger Skippy402 said...

Does that mean that the blockhanso.blogspot site is fake too?

8/01/2006 03:22:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

http://rachelblake.com is the real Rachel Blake website.

rachelblake.blogspot.com is a fake, and so is blockhanso.blogspot.com

8/01/2006 03:24:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

my money's on fake...

8/01/2006 03:24:00 PM  
Blogger oodles said...

There is another pic behind the glyph at
http://blockhanso.blogspot.com/
Link is http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/6145/myhome2ws1.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/8607/myhomelv5.jpg
Rachel says "I'm home now." Note the image names "myhome" followed by what could spell another glyph or glyphs.

8/01/2006 03:24:00 PM  
Blogger Albatross said...

Gracias Matt!

8/01/2006 03:25:00 PM  
Blogger Lyrkalas said...

Could be a fake. I went to try to put the code in and it says that I've already found 21 of the 21 released.

8/01/2006 03:25:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

IMHO blockhanso.com is legit, I'm over at he.com now typing in the glyph code every 20 seconds.

8/01/2006 03:25:00 PM  
Blogger Lost In Portugal said...

I think it's fake. Why would she use imageshack? Why do all the links point to stophanso?

8/01/2006 03:26:00 PM  
Blogger superdifey said...

The first image is definitely Newport Beach - check out

33 36 05 64 N
117 53 37 96 W

I think that's right (geography never one of my strongest subjects)

8/01/2006 03:28:00 PM  
Blogger superdifey said...

It's Balboa Island

8/01/2006 03:29:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Ok, after seeing all the typos and mistakes with capitalization, I'm saying the sites are fake.

8/01/2006 03:32:00 PM  
Blogger drummanmatt said...

when you try to make a comment on the newest post on blockhanso.com, it tries to take you to a link that begins

presidentwarner.blogspot.com

whereas all the others begin

www.blogger.com

and when you try to click it they say the page can't be found. So i think for now i'll reserve judgement until we have more info. Sorry if this is something really obvious and i'm just being dumb, but i thought i'd mention it.

8/01/2006 03:32:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

good effort on the perpetrators part. at least it gave some distraction.

8/01/2006 03:33:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

If these site turn out to be fake, they did a HECK of a job. If only they used correct grammar.

8/01/2006 03:33:00 PM  
Blogger Lost In Portugal said...

When you try to comment on the new blog, it takes you to "catch up with the truth" comment section.

8/01/2006 03:35:00 PM  
Blogger NiteSea said...

Looks like Rachel lives near Fashion Island, if we interpret the image called "myhomelv5" to mean where she lives... found it on Google maps: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2812/3449/1600/rbsatimg.jpg

8/01/2006 03:38:00 PM  
Blogger oodles said...

I agree with Superdifey - the marina pics are clearly from Newport Beach, California. ("fashion island").

8/01/2006 03:42:00 PM  
Blogger Settern said...

Also: Rachelblake.com--the "extrainfo" text bar is clickable. Rachelblake.blogspot.com not so.

8/01/2006 04:02:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

The BH.com glyph code still doesn't work.

8/01/2006 04:03:00 PM  
Blogger volsnvikes said...

At least that was a little excitement today.

OK who is going to make the fake blog and clue tomorrow to keep us going. Work on the grammer and spelling a little better to make it last longer.

8/01/2006 04:05:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

yo.... check out this new site i just found!!!! WOWZA!!!!

8/01/2006 04:10:00 PM  
Blogger NiteSea said...

I don't understand why everyone thinks this is fake... did I miss something?

8/01/2006 04:10:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

and don't use photobucket!

8/01/2006 04:10:00 PM  
Blogger ColdUpHere said...

ROLF Belly. Good one.

8/01/2006 04:11:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

ROTFLMHO good one Belly!

8/01/2006 04:12:00 PM  
Blogger Skippy402 said...

So wait... does this mean Belly has been a plant all this time?

8/01/2006 04:14:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

nitesea: i think belly's blog is a pretty good idea of why i and others think blockhanso is fake.

8/01/2006 04:17:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Skippy: exactly, Belly is an undercover cronie for THF. He has over powered Rachel at her home near Fashion Island and hacked her site. All is now lost.

J/K

8/01/2006 04:17:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

belly, what does your station do?

8/01/2006 04:17:00 PM  
Blogger FYSB said...

Awesome Belly!

Should we start a pool as to when the first person will post
"that new code 'belly' doesn't work for me"

8/01/2006 04:20:00 PM  
Blogger NiteSea said...

oxillini... yeah, I see that now... had me going for a little while. What a letdown today was--I really thought after yesterday they'd keep up the pace better than last week.

8/01/2006 04:20:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Ox: I think it studies the digestion of DHARMA-brand apollo bars and ranch dressing.

8/01/2006 04:20:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

crossfade: i figured as much. it works on the "waist extension project" very high level stuff!

8/01/2006 04:22:00 PM  
Blogger sean said...

belly0 proved it for me. i dont believe blockhanso is real until it is absolutly proved otherwise.

now to remove it from my bookmarks.

8/01/2006 04:22:00 PM  
Blogger Lost In Portugal said...

Way to go Belly!!!

It would be very interesting to see an update from Rachel though... Why aren't they releasing any glyphs today? That's not fair!

8/01/2006 04:23:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

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8/01/2006 04:26:00 PM  
Blogger Selene said...

Belly- LOL
oxillini- "waist extension project" < ROTFMLAO

Fake or not, it is certainly the most exciting thing going on right now.

8/01/2006 04:27:00 PM  

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