Clue #122 - Fragment Codes "Narvik", "OUDW" & "307L97BDB9"
Fragment Code, "NARVIK" was found on monster.com. If you take the poll on monster's front page and click results, you'll see a banner ad for Narvik Travel which links to hansoexposed.com. The video fragment is of Mittelwerk saying, "We have tried to change those values by manipulating the environment in many, many ways."
Fragment Code, "OUDW" was found on an old post on Lost Ninja's blog. If you click the link in his blog that says "Snakes on a Plane" it takes you to the new glyph and code. (We're not sure yet how anyone knew to look there). The video fragment is of Mittlewerk saying, "We need not take any more lives than is absolutely necessary. Yes?"
Fragment Code, "307L97BDB9" was found at Rachel's Blog. Click on the number 57 under links and it takes you to this picture . The code is found by putting together the flashing letters and numbers. The video fragment is of Mittlewerk saying, "...and the bodies of the dead must be brought to this station immediately for full genetic workup."
Stay up to date with your hansoexposed.com fragment codes by visiting Matt the Pale's Fragment Code List.
Thanks to Tresbien, Marcus, Chewie, Sara, Donn, & The Lost Bird for emailing us about these codes!
Fragment Code, "OUDW" was found on an old post on Lost Ninja's blog. If you click the link in his blog that says "Snakes on a Plane" it takes you to the new glyph and code. (We're not sure yet how anyone knew to look there). The video fragment is of Mittlewerk saying, "We need not take any more lives than is absolutely necessary. Yes?"
Fragment Code, "307L97BDB9" was found at Rachel's Blog. Click on the number 57 under links and it takes you to this picture . The code is found by putting together the flashing letters and numbers. The video fragment is of Mittlewerk saying, "...and the bodies of the dead must be brought to this station immediately for full genetic workup."
Stay up to date with your hansoexposed.com fragment codes by visiting Matt the Pale's Fragment Code List.
Thanks to Tresbien, Marcus, Chewie, Sara, Donn, & The Lost Bird for emailing us about these codes!
261 Comments:
Yeah.. all this excitement this morning!!! hope today is fun filled... gotta distract me from the real world somehow :)
sleeping? I wish!
Summary of how 'oudw' was found: Ninja posted a clue on his blog:
In ITE profiles #2
search for a mutant totally blue
posted by hanso_ninja on Aug 30 01:55pm
Cadfile found this on ITE, matching "Hank McCoy" to The Beast [totally blue mutant]:
Once upon a post Ninja went to Church.
But slithery reptiles hindered his search.
Posted by: Hank McCoy | August 23, 2006 at 08:54 PM
And Frosty and Matt the Pale found the glyph on Ninja's 07/31 blog; click on "Snakes on a Plane" and there it is.
-- stacey [aka tiredcynic]
Awesome about time they update this site but but anyways congrats to whoevever found the glyph offically
Yeah.. me too Dazzed... That is my method also :) Too difficult to think this early in the AM for me :).. need more COFFEE....
ok.. so appears it is too early for others as well :)
dazzed and dixxee -- I hear you. I try to follow the clues, but it seems I always need to get up from the computer just when something comes up. And if I *do* happen to be there when a clue comes, it's one I can't get. So I'll sit back, admire the effort folks put into it, and plug the fruits of their labours into HE... :^)
My kids went back last week... the youngest started middle school this year, so they all have to be at the bus stop at the same time... Of course that is the same time we are trying to get ready for work, so 5 people and 1 bathroom is not a good thing. Gonna cost us about $6000 to put in a 2nd bathroom... so for now we get up even earlier to get ready..... Feeling very old at the young age of 34...LOL
When did monster.com change? I was checking all yesterday and it still directed us to TropicsTravel. Oh well... congrats on finding the 2 newest glyphs!
I'm with ya dazzed. Bring 'em on!
or 14 would do.. finish this video and start trying to figure out the candy bar deal.. move on to something new...
ular98 -- Here are the URLs for the Ninja one [I needed to track it down too...I know the feeling]:
1. Ninja clue on his blog, comment #38:
http://au.blogs.yahoo.com/lostninja/7590/i-got-your-apollo-news-right-here?page=4
2. ITE Profiles #2, search for "Hank McCoy" [aka "The Beast"]:
http://www.insidetheexperience.com/2006/08/ite_profiles_2.html
3. Ninja's 07/31 blog on which the glyph is located [find the "Snakes on a Plane" link]:
http://au.blogs.yahoo.com/lostninja/6042/glyphs-boats-planes-snakes-the-list
4. The glyph itself:
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k316/insidetheexperience/OUDW.jpg
Morning TLEC!! I also go to sleep wake up, drive to work, check TLEC copy and paste codes!! Makes me wish it was the begining of the game when I could actually find stuff on my own!! Meh....at least this phase is almost over....
The Ninja glyph was the closest I've come to finding one...I saw Ninja's comment and posted it to the group on ITE. I searched for blue mutants [The Tick, Beast, Mystique], but just couldn't get my fuzzy brain to make the leap to their "real" names [darn it]. Then MtP, Cadfile, and Frosty were off and running...Frosty posted the code to everyone, sharing it with the world since he was already on the leaderboard.
So now it's back to 'read the thread, copy, paste'...the far more time-efficient way to do it. :^)
Howdy y'all. I pretty much stopped entering codes for myself a while back and am completely relying on y'all to put the video together for me. Basically whenever I was having trouble saving my sequence, I realized all I was using if for was to watch the latest snippet. Too much hassle to wait through the intro and loading all the glyphs to watch a 2 second clip out of context. Good job everyone finding glyphs, some of us are hopeless without ya!
Yep, I agree that this section probably isn't going to end until next week.
And me no like that.
I agree dazzed... Just release them already... LOL... gimme gimme gimme.... hehe
I agree dazzedelf. would make more sense game wise too to do that. Because it doesn't make sense releasing them slowly because what if Rachel got caught before she let out all the pieces? A REAL spy would have hidden all the pieces in different places at one time.
young wallace -- Check out Matt the Pale's site [xhttp://members.aol.com/mattthepale/]. He has links to some awesome tools for tracking glyphs, backing up your sequence, and downloading the clips to your local machine to play [http://members.aol.com/mattthepale/fragtools.html]. Makes it a lot easier to follow along...
[Oops...typo in MtP site, ignore the 'x' in front of the URL.]
I wish more of the glyphs had universally easy-to-follow clues. The real world ones are cool, but pretty limiting as to who can find them.
Speaking of ixalon's tools on MtP's page, it shows a new glyph has been released!
http://www.se-nse.net/ixalon/codes.php
Very welcome, ular! Now we've got a new glyph released, so the fun can start all over again...
The problem with releasing all the glyphs at once is what if they all got found in 4 days. That would essentially mean that we would have had the whole video since July 30 or so, and this portion of the game would be over. If they didn't have anything planned again til September 1, what could they have done? Just wait it out? They're just trying to keep the game on schedule. This is certainly better than waiting around a month for Act IV to start...
I didn't check the last comment thread but anybody track down the meaning behind Narvik?
latest glyph found and published.
Well, looks like #57 was already found...now to see who has it...
http://www.hansoexposed.com/xml/statistics
Morning all! I can rest easy now that I got an Apollo Bar (my pictures up on whereisalvar.com under PrincessBuddha. It seems tapdawg was stalking me as his picture was taken at almost the exact same spot as mine. LOL!) despite the SNAFUs at the distrabution.
Yeah! New glyphs! Are we done yet? :o)
that was quick
Twinkle said...
I didn't check the last comment thread but anybody track down the meaning behind Narvik?
Narvik is a port town in Norway. A few WWII battles took place there.
beth -- Great pic! And that's hilarious about the location...I noticed it, but assumed that you were taking the pic for him, and vice versa. :^)
Only 21 days until San Francisco gets our Apollo bars...here's hoping the distribution troubles are smoothed out by then.
I haven't seen anything yet, lost bird...whoever it was, they found it within nine minutes of it being released. Hope they share it with us soon...the faster these last 13 clips go, the better.
Dennis, thanks! Lospedia also says Narvik has been seen before in Lost. (see below)
If you check all the named glyphs we've gotten, they all tie into what's happening somehow.
28. nanite - bioengineered virus
Quote-"Our operatives at the VIK Institute have verified this figure."
36. tribalwars - "use of our population model
to predict the growth of your tribal enemies -- especially if you intend on using our predictions to launch a pre-emptive strike" - http://lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Lost_Experience_clues/May_30
Quote-"Alvar Hanso"
38. chocolates - Apollo bars
Quotes-"Whether through nuclear fire, chemical and biological warfare, conventional warfare, pandemic, overpopulation..."
44. vaccine - TVM's mysterious proprietary vaccine
Quote-"Broadcasting in a frequency and encryption known only to us." (referring to the numbers which the vaccine in LostTV is labeled with)
45. theflashlight - referring to Rachel's "flashlight" post on her blog - That was the one where the Vik institute burned and Malik got hit on the head with an iron
Quote-"Without allowing for anymore suffering than is absolutely necessary."
53. tropics - Sri Lanka is in the tropics
Quote-"They think they're infected with a virus carried by local macaques."
54. narvik - Narvik is a port city in Norway that is the real world location of a building depicted in the Swan Orientation Film. - http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Narvik
Quote-"We have tried to change those values by manipulating the environment in many, many ways."
Any theories on how these all fit together? What about the numbers for each of these clues or how the dialogue in the corresponding video might shed light on the word code chosen?
Nightcrawler posted this to ITE about number 57:
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This was found on the stop hanso site
http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/Flicker/Flicker.html
read the letter across as they appear.
Posted by: Nightcrawler | August 30, 2006 at 06:56 AM
oooh, that was really long. Sorry. Want me to delete it?
Thanks stacy! I have a feeling that we were near an awful lot of TLECers when we grabbed our bars but didn't know it at the time. :o)
I keep thinking of the poor Apollo Distrabution People who have no idea whats going on except for that they're supposed to give away these wierd candy bars and when they get to their location, nothing has been set up corectly for them by ABC. How frustrating for them as well as the rest of us!
"The bodies of the dead must be brought to this station immediately for full genetic work" ~ TWM
Things are sounding more sinister now :o
New clip seem to fit right before XWZW. We are getting close!
Chad, you there?
<->: That was my favorite theory about the black smoke too, but TPTB have denied repeatedly that it is a swarm of nanobots like Crichton describes in Prey. The Research Blog has some information about nanotechnology and how it might relate to Lost.
I've got to go offline for a bit but I'll check back later for any theories or comments about the connection between the "word" glyph codes. Love talking about the mysteries! Thanks!
which blog Dazzedelf? Stophanso?
everyone believe me now that manny gives non-verizon clues. I was checking monster til i went to bed
Morning all: I think I'm with a pretty big majority that relies on the great work of others! I have no personal interest in seeing my name on that leaderboard, so I'm in awe of those who do the hunt and thank them immensely! Can't wait for this phase to be over, and we can get on with great discussion and speculation about what TWM is up to.
Yes I am Wallace. Do you want me to add this to the post?
the entertainment weekly was right on the money and I didn't hear that hint anywhere else
dazzeldelf is that the newest one
pharmacopaeia do you get your name from the John Ott book of the same name?
so were the comments at monster.com our hint?
DiggityDirge said...
did anyone see this over at monster.com yesterday? I saw the first comment with the link to the anime site, but I missed this one. Just wondering if anyone checked stophanso or what you think of the comment.
http://forums.monster.com/viewmessage.asp?messageid=4221612
Follow-ups Hans-NO
RossNewberry - 8/25/2006 - 6:45:52 AM
> RossNewberry
No matter how desperate you are for a job, you shouldn't stoop to working for the Hanso Foundation. Learn more at http://stophanso.rachelblake.com
2costa -- Yup, 307l97bdb9 is the latest [#57]. There is a post titled "57" on Rachel's blog at http://stophanso.rachelblake.com.
Young Wallace - I updated the post. I was wating to see if someone else was going to do due to last week David and I making it crash on us.
David, Belly, Young Wallace - Why is clue #121 a draft all of a sudden?
he also has a book called pharmacothion
GOOD MORNING TLEC!!!
Man, I hope this keeps going...I came to work and had to enter 3 glyphs this time...Very cool. Well I hope the game keeps going today, but I have a feeling that this will be it...
I knew that the new EW glyph was different, but everyone said manny wouldn't give u a clue about a non-veerizon site, thats the only reason anyone kept checking montster...vindication
i got a bead on a new clue,but i don't want to be ridiculed
2Costa this is not like the other sites, comment away! All things are welcome here!
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Thrash, I added Clue #s to the titles and saved them, I'm republishing now...
Awesome Wallace! I was wondering what was up with it for a minute!
Double T-The flame station, where THF burns all the evidence...I guess that can work. Very interesting theory.
Full Genetic Workup on dead bodies. This seems very weird. What can they possibly do with the "genetics" of the dead bodies that died from this "Virus". Maybe study it to find out why certain genes survive and some don't.
Nanites - Screen Caps and Audio Clips of Nano Technology Expert
Nano Lubricants & Bullet Proof Tee-Shirts
http://users.newblog.com/thinbluemime/?post_id=9515
And the bodies of the station must be brought to this station immediately for full genetic workup
OK, so what's the consensus on this one ... when Mittlewerk says the bodies must be brought to THIS station ... did he just finish talking about a station and is now referencing it, or is it possible that this video is not from a ship, but was taken IN a station? And, if they are in a station, is it an island station, or could THF have stations off the island as well?
GOOD MORNING TLEC!!!
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Lhorse,
Happy Birthday to you,
you live in a zoo,
you smell like pine trees,
and you look like Joop too.
Have a great day!
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Pharm-So your saying that this vaccine isn't 100% accurate and that it might kill of some people. That's why they want to look at the bodies, so they can see the genetic make-up and find out how they can tweak it so the vaccine will be able to work on the general public when the world does end. They are testing the vaccine, and they know that there will be casualties, and they need to take radical action...
Hey, LHorse: Is it your birthday! Have a Happy One!
Sounds like this "vaccine" is not so foolproof! It probably is a rush job and they needed to do this test on the subjects off of Sri Lanka. Apparently, the genetic workup of these bodies will help fine tune the vaccine. But doesn't that take some time to do? I wonder what the precise genetic targets are in this virus.
morning all!
ok, given the clips we've gotten today, i have a new theory, new to me at least. i think they are using humans as a method to produce something (vaccine maybe) they infect a population, collect the dead bodies, do a genetic workup and select the ones that fit their targets. from these they extract something (blood, organs?) for their own sinister purposes. perhaps making a new vaccine, the ulitmate biological weapon, the panacea to ALL disease, whow knows. i'm getting a kind of a soylent "whatever" vibe from these recent clips. "it's made of people!"
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR LHORSE!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!
AND MANY MORE!!!
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Oh Hiii!
From what we have so far, I think TWM is trying to fine tune a virus that will wipe out vast sections of the earth's population, so that the aftermath of armaggedon (a la the VE)will be manageable for the future population -- those that are genetically engineered to survive and repopulate the earth.
Hey, Pharma: I agree with you that the islanders are being used to test this virus. But doesn't genetic work-up's take time. TWM and his gang seemed rushed into action, but science doesn't like to be rushed.
Wait! Wait! So experiments that knowingly lead to death are performed. Then the bodies are further experimented upon, and ultimately (maybe) cremated?
Sounds like a 50 years old nightmare to me!
Maven - I got CHILLS when I read your armageddon theory. Whew.
Way to be back and up with the theories! Hope your vacation was what you needed!
LHorse -
Happy Birthday.
Not sure but I remember reading that they can use the antibodies of infected subject to make a vaccine, so maybe that's why they are checking out the dead. I'm thinking to get rid of evidence too by cremating them after they are dont.
I wonder what the villagers will think. "Oh, Thanks so much for bringing us this cure for the virus the macaques gave us (which is a lie, originally affected by THF), but wait...why are some people dying and some people are getting better. This is no cure, this is a joke.... KILL THEM!!!"
Then THF will have to high-tail out of their because the villagers will be very chasing them with there spears...LOL
Sorry-Very angry chasing them with spears...
seems abc has angered the locals.
time to tar and feather some interns. i don't have any tar, how about elmer's glue? and then they can pull the glue off to make fake skin. who remembers doing that.
(raises hand.)
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Probably getting by on the 'kindness' of strangers. At my drop, the marketing people knew that there was an item coming from the network re: Lost, but very little else.
Either they think more people are in the know, or that those of us who are are too jazzed to care that there are problems. Wrong on both accounts.
a shot that could change genes......that is something scientits are working on. Could cure alzheimers, parkinsons, cancer......
oh, if only i could convince myself the screwups are on purpose. but alas, methinks tptb are none too swift in the realm of event planning. picture this:
(interns seated around table consisting of empty pizza box on top of discarded computer monitor)
First intern, Kenny: "So, ABC says we have to give away, like, some candy or something."
2nd intern, Jill: "What, like throw it out at parades?"
3rd intern, Stan: "Or give it away out of shady vans?"
Kenny: "No, we have to, like, go places and hand em out."
Jill: "Oooooh, like in Hawaii?"
Stan: "Or Tulsa?"
Kenny: "Nope we have a list from TPTB."
Stan: "Who's TPTB?"
Kenny: "I don't know, but they sign our meager checks, so let's do this."
Jill: "Alright, what do we need to do?"
Kenny: "I don't know, I guess just show up and hand em out and stuff"
Stan: "Should we call ahead to tell the marketing people what's going on or put info up on the website?"
Jill: "Nah, we're ABC, they'll know when we're coming and how to get the candy."
Kenny: "Plus I don't want to use up all my personal cell phone minutes."
Jill: "Agreed."
Stan: "I still think we should let people know what's going on."
Jill & Kenny: "Shut up Stan!"
Kenny: "To the intern-mobile!"
(The trio climb into a 73 Nova and are off to New York City.)
That is funny Ox... thanks.. needed a laugh
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proper planning... hmmm what a concept. Communication? huh? what did you say?
Oh, man, sorry Pennsylvania. That bites.
Though I have to say I am sorely and perversely tempted to call the PA Festival folks and naively ask them about Apollo bars, just to hear someone's head explode.
Hey Vitruvian man - you are so right on so many levels. I am not that excited about season three at least not from what we have been told about the plot lines and story arc's...if I wanted to watch a soap I would stay home and watch General Hospital, it is more intriging mob boss stories!
I just sent this email to the ESPN Zone in DC. I really don't want to make the trip into the city during rush hour if nothing is going to come of it, especially on a work/school night. In the words of Fox Mulder, trust no one.
I am writing to confirm that there will be an ABC network promotion for the TV show, LOST, associated with the Acura event on September 7. ABC network organizers for the LOST Experience game have announced that Apollo candy bars will be distributed at this event.
http://apollocandy.com/
Click on US Distribution.
Any information you can give me will be appreciated.
Thank you.
Happy B-Day LHorse007,
That's all I got for now except, arrested.... what a crock of, oh never mind
DeD
Obviously TPTB will not talk about the game right now and how everything played out. But do you think they ever will? I really hope they address all of the concerns that everyone has mentioned via a podcast or something. Maybe even apologize for the Apollo distribution fiascos and timing of release ofglyphs on HE.com. I am not a real active contributor but I am an active player. I want a candy bar (but I live near Boston) and I would love to get on the leader board (but I don't have time to be searching the the internet for Glyphs).
Well put Belly. The other missing aspect to this game besides the non-communication in the candy phase, is the lack of coordination in the video phase. By coordination, I mean, the timing of the HE site update to accept codes, the placement of the clues in the magazines, etc., and the placement of the codes on the respective websites or geographic site. For instance, if a magazine is supposed to be issued with a clue on a certain date, is it so hard for TPTB to coordinate the HE site and the glyph/code site on the same day so that we don't spend one or two days searching WHERE WE ACTUALLY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SEARCHING, but can't find it because the timely updates haven't been performed?! Sheesh. I really don't get it. It's a wonder how ABC/TPTB can actually get a TV show put together on time and on the tube if they can't even synchronize three parts of releasing a clue, or make a simple phone call to pre-arrange an event with a venue. I dunno, maybe I'm just being too critical.
Boy, that Pennslyvania event really sucks. Arrested? For an ARG? Come on, TPTB, get your act together.
Oxillini: Great script. And probably pretty accurate.
I'm planning on going to the Sept. 16th Acura/Viceroy Hotel/Santa Monica event. But I'm really apprehensive about traveling about an hour on a Saturday night to an area I'm not really familiar with, and what if there's another screwup? Hopefully, besides maybe scoring some Apollo bars, some of us TLECers will connect and meet eachother. That will be fun at least.
"We have tried to change those values by manipulating the environment in many, many ways"
Just gotta say - so called that. The Valencetti equation obviously isn't set in stone and CAN be manipulated by changing the non constant parts of it. Which does also mean in theory you could manipulate it the other way which of course is still open for the big plot twist.
Okay from the sounds of it they haven't suceeded in changing things...which brings about the next part, maybe it is a self fufilling prophecy because Valencetti factored into it The Hanso Foundation and it's there work that ultimate makes the equation accurate. That's the thing with prophecies, if the predictions include your actions apon hearing the prophecy there is not much you can do to escape it.
It's a bit like Odin trying to stop himself being eaten by the Fenris Wolf. :)
Okay I know I'm not the first person to suggest that, but it's my current theory now and I did call the apparent (at least as a plot element) flexibility of the equation. When people were saying it was all about surviving the apocalypse, I was saying it was about avoiding (or causing) it. Yay for me.
Now after a brief moment of smugness I'll get back to being bored.
I'm wondering how many people even care about these reveals now though. HE and WIA have pretty much torn the heart out of this ARG (or at least the adrenal gland)
Belly, ranting? Things *are* out of control!
I agree Maven,
That is the only good that has come of the Apollo events. The fact that we are getting to meet one another, sure not everyone wants their pic up on WIA.com, but in person it is hard to hide your face (unless you ARE a ninja... lol) I think it is cool that we get to meet each other, and discuss the ARG as well as the show since, and I have said this before, a conversation takes paths while these comments tend to stay focused. (not putting down the comments here) A ten minute conversation can veer off in ways that these comments really can't. I know when I was hanging out with Marcus, Lostnuts, Dman, Ladyoftheflies, and the others at the Central Park event, it was really cool to put faces to the names and personalities to those names as well. The meeting others is the only good to come of this, and hopefully there will be more cool people at the Sept. 6th event
C-ya
DeD
I just noticed that the 9/16 event at the Viceroy has been taken off the Apollo site...actually ALL of the LA events have been taken off (including the one last night). I wonder what that means??
I just emailed KABC7 tv here in L.A. re the Sept. 16th Viceroy event in Santa Monica. I wanted confirmation that this was going to happen, and the bars will be there. They seem to be co-sponsors of the event.
Fenris: I agree that the VE can be manipulated. That's what TWM figured out at the VIK Institute with the savants. However, he and his gang seems really rushed to get all the pieces in place (seems like last minute testing of this virus and doing genetic workups). By making changes in the environment, the equations can be controlled somehow.
Belly, I respectfully disagree for this reason. We know that People mag comes out every Friday (or whenever). On Friday, Mr./Ms. HE.com programmer-updater wakes up, looks at the schedule for mag clue release that day, plugs it in and, voila, HE is ready for code entry the day the magazine is released to the rabbid ARG players. Ditto with say, Monster and it's programmer, who has been informed that a Monster ad with a clue will be on the stands on Friday. I just don't think that it could be that difficult. Unless they still at this point totally underestimate the intelligence and voracity of the ARG players even this late in the game, and think that it will take us a long time to find the clue and that they have all the time in the world to coordinate the clue/hidding place/code? :-)
Lisa: You're right. That Sept. 16th event is no longer listed! That really sucks. This giveaway phase seems very poorly thought out. Especially when non-TLErs get the candy and throw away the wrappers! They announce venues and then take them away. Very frustrating.
You know what would have been a crazy idea. Not having Acts and spreading stuff like the slow glyph hunt in with the Rachel Vids and/or hacking parts or even just starting DJDan at a later date or spreading the podcasts out a bit to keep things going.
The worst thing about this ARG is the timing and general organisation. That is where heads would need to role. It's not been planned very well at all. The story would have seemed a lot better if it hadn't had it's flow ruined by the overall organisation of the ARG and the continued farcical chocolate releases in the states hadn't made a mockery of it all at a time where there is little else of substance to grab on to.
I don't know about anyone else but it's slowed down so much I'm starting to forget minor plot elements and am definetly rapidly loosing any emotional investment I may have had in any of the characters and/or story.
I know a few people that have left out right. But I'm no quitter! I'll be here till the end and beyond. Good job we've got a good, wide and interesting community to keep things going. Also a good job Speaker is a one man entertainment machine too. I very much doubt his videos were planned at the start but they're about the most interesting thing going on on the non-player side of things right now.
Dazzedelf, you're probaby right about the ESPN folk not knowing about TLE but at least they'll know we're coming and won't overreact. I'm looking forward to meeting people more than getting a candy bar. I want to be able to look back and say I did something really whacky.
Maven - That's the one thing that is wrong (and I have ranted about previously) about the UK giveaway. I haven't got to meet anyone.
I only got to meet Diss because he happened to be in Brighton one evening, but I highly doubt there will be a chance to meet the other UK lostargies anytime during this ARG and that is really sad.
We should have a world wide meet when it's all over in Sri-Lanka.
Man, this stinks...
I hope they get it together for the LA distributions and hope they are not cancelled. Now I'm pissed...
Ryandrumz: Yeah, really pissed! If this is truly pulled from the lineup and we're left with this unorganized Pier giveway, my frustration level is at the boiling point!
Manufacturing candy bars have had to been done quite a while ago. It's not something that is done at the last minute. You would think that a better plan for distribution could have been worked out and coordinated. Announcing venues, pulling them, changing them is a sign of something seriously wrong with this ARG.
I'm hoping that once the video is put together, and we figure out the meaning of Apollo, things will get back on track. I'm not quitting...just very aggravated how TPTB are playing with our emotions!
Look at it this way...it adds to the "challenge" of the game. What fun would it be if everything were easy? *um, trying to be positive*
I just had a thought. Maybe all of this disorganization is part of the game, as stupid as it sounds. Rachel wants everyone to get the Apollo Bars and post pictures on WIA. Hanso Foundation is doing anything to stop it, even if it means cancelling the hand-outs, etc. and piss all of us off.
Stupid, I know, but the thought did cross my mind.
Not so stupid, ib! That's probably an out TPTB will use!
Good project management doesn't mean that the game has to be easy. My Pollyanna trust in the game's planners dried up this weekend. But positivity is still appreciated and duly noted Lisa. :-) As has been spoken so often, at least we still have this great site to communicate with each other on.
Fenris had a good point earlier...this part of the game has gone on so long and slowly that I've forgotten earlier plot points as well. During the first part of the game, we had Persephone and then Rachel. We were working with her, hearing from her, we had a partner in this. Then this video came along and we've been rudderless for weeks. It was very exciting and dramatic when Rachel unveiled hansoexposed at ComicCon, but that wore off quickly once the drudgery of the glyph hunt progressed. I'm shocked that a writer would allow that to happen.
But we hung in there and kept building our video even though the urgency had waned. Heaven knows how many Sri Lankans have been infected and killed by now. But we were promised "something that would burn a hole in the Hanso Foundation".
Then we get this crazy candy bar search which gives us no clues, but forces us to post our photos online in order to prove our loyalt to Rachel. When she thinks there are enough of us minions on board, THEN she's gonna reveal something else big???? What the....?
This game is not just all over the place, it's downright incoherent.
sigh
Well, I guess I'll just take my chances with the DC event. My daughter and I will be there wearing LOST shirts.
I like the idea that THF is screwing up the giveaway. Don't believe it but I like it.
Yes, I did RSVP. I have a VIP pass.
I have also finally received my VIP pass using a few different variations of my email and answering no to "do you like to stay home"
And if they cancel it or I cannot find my bar on the 9th, meh, I will be with my girl in the city. If the weather is nice we will go walk around south street or go over to boathouse row and just enjoy each others company.
Dazzedelf said: "I think there are a couple people problably working their hearts out to keep this thing going and they are probably getting very little support on it.."
I believe that you are very correct about this, it is an issue that I had not thought of, and it is a good point to keep in mind. Often once a project has been launched, TPTB move on to the next project and leave the remaining follow-up and finish to the folks left behind, and when problems happen TPTB have no interest in regressing their efforts in assistance to the "old project". OK, half of my Pollyanna-ness has returned, thx. :-)
I don't think ABC is losing money on this game. Jeep, Verizon and Sprite are getting major web traffic every time they post a glyph. That's extremely valuable to a marketer. Especially since we have to plow through product descriptions to get to the clues (crush zones, removable flashlights anyone?) The cost to add a code or glyph to a print ad is pretty minimal, especially since it doesn't really involve any design change, just finding an empty space like a curb and dropping a word in. I would be willing to bet that ABC worked out a trade deal as part of an overall ad buy that allows free placement of codes, glyphs and videos in exchange for driving tens of thousands of people to their sites and ads.
I'm amazed at how people can give the PTB the benefit of the doubt this many times.
I gave them a chance back in the first two acts with their continuity errors, etc.
But this has become a farce of unimagineable proportions. I don't care if it's just one or two people with some interns running this thing. DO IT RIGHT. There's no excuse. PERIOD.
This whole things SUCKS TO HIGH HEAVEN RIGHT NOW.
hey people nothing yet?? Hanso exposed has no new glyphs .
Belly got his rant. Now I get mine.
I'm just going to interject my 2 cents here...take it or leave it...
We've got writers and we've got marketing. We can fast forward through the marketers' commercials when we watch LOST on our TiVos. We have to wade through and sometimes dissect marketers' commercials when we play The LOST Experience. The marketing campaigns interrupt our TV show and are a hindrance and a distraction to the story but, in both cases (Television & ARG) they are NECESSARY to bring the story to the masses. Marketing is a necessary evil when it comes to the entertainment industry. As people interested in the story, we have to maintain the ability and commitment to SEE THROUGH THE MARKETING AND FIND THE STORY.
I still believe in our creative producers & writers. I believe that Carlton & Damon are the heart behind this show and this ARG and that they want to share with us an important piece of mythology. I still believe a story is there. I believe that they have been forced to allow this much marketing and I believe they took a risk to bring us this ARG and I believe that many compromises and much trepidation was involved. I'm still looking for our story and I'm also enjoying what we've gotten so far. It takes work though. More work than fast-forwarding the TiVo. We have to be discerning and have the ability to quickly dismiss anything that isn't pertinent to the story and move past it. The history of Apollo, the Hackett Memos, the sign language video...these are important. I read that. I analyzed that. The organization of a candy bar giveaway is irrelevant to the story. I have dismissed it. I mean, do we really care about a candy bar that much? I could care less about meeting a hired hand Apollo tshirt person who knows nothing about LOST. I care more about what it all MEANS.
The marketers aren't our friends. They don't care about the story and they don't understand or care about our experience. I wish we could all just take a deep breath and accept this as fact. Now let's remember: The writers and creative geniuses are our friends. They care about the story and they understand and care about our experience. But they CAN'T CONTROL the marketers. They are forging a story DESPITE the marketers and we need to find it. My final word: I wish we could spend more time finding the story than complaining about the marketers.
Take it or leave it.
I agree with Vex, there is no question that ABC is making money off of this, and not losing any. They have constantly underestimated that capapbilities of the players and they continue to screw up in the smae ways without actually fixing anything. I'm sure they are understaffed but this is ridiculous.
One last thought...I know we joke around about the interns running the show, but Jeep, Verizon, Sprite and Monster are all very big advertising spenders. It doesn't seem right that they would leave those brands in the hands of interns. Especially with the mounting frustration of tens of thousands of people who are now pretty edcucated on their products. We could easily become spokesman/advocates "hey, you're thinking about buying a jeep, did you know..." or vocal naysayers "Jeep? Man they were part of this crappy gig with ABC".
Marcus, Ireland is on the WIA map!
Go raibh maith agat.
Been out all day (8 pm here) - missed all the action...
Pharma and Fenris,
I disagree with the meet in five years and see how everyone has changed idea, only because we would have no frame of ref.
Only a few people have used their actual image on WIA.com and with everything going to the crapper(Loo) with the Apollo giveaway's, alot of people will never meet. So it would be five years down the road and we would all be meeting for the first time... lol
I agree David, but there have been so many problems with the game lately that it is very hard to keep on track with the story. That is why I am not participating as much and have taken a more.....wait till it is posted on TLEC, read it, and wait some more stance.
David - In response to your rant: THRASHER76's OFFICIAL RANT!
I completely agree and that is why I am not going to go crazy over not getting a bar of LSD laced chocolate. I know when it first came out I was really excited, then the yanked it and I was going to walk. And then I relaized that I was going to turn my back on this community, the story that WE have forged together from the begining. I did not want to do that. Because, like you David, love the story and want to see how it ends. Sure it stinks that they are not as organized as we wish them to be and we aren't thrilled with being brain washed into buying sprite and SUCH. This has been a wonderful experience for me and there is very little that will change my experience so far. At the end of this I know that I have made some long lasting friendships online or otherwise. And although this phase is not as engrossing we still find a way to comment over 400 times on almost no subject. So without ALL of us there would be no ARG.
"Live together, Die alone."
Re: My rant.
I posted my opinion out of my attempt to try to put myself in the writer's shoes. I could be wrong but I imagine them sitting there each time something gets screwed up banging their heads against the wall in frustration screaming, "WE TOLD THEM EXACTLY WHAT TO DO! We told them who, when, where, why, and how! Why won't those marketers freaking listen?!" Why won't the marketers' listen? A) They don't understand us & they don't care that much about the story and B) They've got the money and the power and their hit-counts are spiking so there are no perceived consequences for them.
When you're coordinating something this large scale, there is only so much you can do. I know I'm kind of in the minority here but I really do feel sorry for the ARG creators, writers, etc b/c I feel like they are facing much more ignorant opposition than they expected and their hands are tied.
Okay. End rant.
pharm & ded,
Maybe we should all just post pictures of what we looked like 5 years ago. :)
Thrasher,
Right on...live together...die alone!
Thrash-man,
You make a good point there. I would agree that this is the most fun I personally have ever had online, and the most welcoming enviorment I have ever found online as well. Sure things may be horribly awry, but that is eventually going to happen to anything that is done on the fly. This community here is the only thing that is keeping my interest anymore. I care nore about what you all have to say then what TPTB have to say in the game. This game could be over and I wouldn't even realize it until someone in here said something like...
"What that's it... what a lame ending."
I would then of course ask what ending they were referring to and think to myself, as I got all the different responses from everyone, I can't believe it's over. I visit all the blogs and boards out there most of the time and people are always just chit chatting, while we here tend to have real discussions on the matters at hand. I think that in the end the only thing this game has acomplished in a good way is this blog and the attatched message board, which moves at a anails pace in this phase of the game, The people here are great and I think that there are new relationships forming everyday that never would have if the ARG didn't exist. I am not quitting, since I never have before, but it makes me want to hurry up and wait for the rest to play out and be done with. It is a shame it all went down this way, but at least we got each other.
Oh damn, now I got the growing pains theme stuck in my head... again, David you are on Notice... j/k
DeDJeZTeR
Pharma,
So was mine... lol
David, You have a lot of fair points about the unfortunate aspects of the game imposed by marketing interests, but I think you are letting them off too easy. If it were just botched a candy bar giveaway, then you'd be totally right, but now part of the story hinges on the successful collection of a large number of bars, which people just can't seem to get. If they wanted to have that part of the game as a low budget sidebar then fine, but if they are going to do such a piss-poor job then they shouldn't have made the bar counter a prerequisite for anything.
Little things like improving timing on HE.com are not controlled by marketers. That's someone's job. These people aren't volunteers. I think it's pretty clear that the quality of this production has continued to degrade, and when that happens it takes away from the story. Obviously we are all in it for the story, but there are only so many distractions and inconsistencies one can take before it really does hurt the underlying story.
I know that I personally don't mind the marketing or the advertsing that much. I think most people feel that way. Having to find a clue by navigating a commercial website doesn't ruin it for me. Feeling like the people behind this game aren't putting in the effort that I am does bother me. I think it's hard to refute that even with all of this marketing and more, the execution of this game has been pretty shoddy.
I liken it to going to a movie, even the most hamfisted product placements can be overlooked. They may take you out of the experience momentarily but you can accept that. It's much harder to accept when the projectionist keeps interupting the film, or you lose audio, or the lights in the theater keep coming on. At that point it's impossible to really enjoy the film.
Many of us feel cheated, some would argue that since this experience is provided for us at no cost that we have no real cause to complain. I would argue, however, that the time and effort we spend doing this (that is in fact required to be involved) entitles us to more, especially considering that that time and effort is what drives the advertising revenue that ends up paying for this game.
In short you can like an actor without liking every performance. I hope they can turn this around.
dedjezter,
Well said.
And even when all the "it's over? that's all?" rants are said and done...I think this community will persist. At least I hope so.
the BITTER END. again....some of us are growing more bitter faster than others.
mjm3,
I understand your counter-point. Unfortunately, earlier, I said "end rant" which means I can't respond with a counter point of my own or else it would be considered a new rant or at least a continuation of a previous rant. I don't want to be hypocrite so I will just say that I respect your point and can see where you're coming from but I personally have yet to lose my ability to enjoy the show.
as far as time in the game, i bill by the hour and me playing the game has lost me easily over a hundred billing hours. 100 hrs x $175/hr = $175,000.
What MJM said...
noblelawyer,
I'm glad you'll be with us till the end (even if it is bitter).
:)
so is anyone gonna admit i was right about manny giving a non-verizon clue???
can I deduct lost time due to TLE on my taxes ;)
admin?
just knowing i was right is vindication enough,nobody would have kept checking monster
LOL The lost experiment. excellent point.
I love the story that we have been getting so far. But I really have enjoyed meeting this community more than anything.
i didn't see anyone else saying EW had a new glyph this week
2costa,
yes you were right. It is very intriguing that Manny would do that.
But I think we would have kept checking monster b/c of the magazine ad glyph not necessarily b/c Manny told us to look at it.
David, I appreciate your rant non-proliferation stance. I will follow suit, but I will say that I echo many of the other people here in saying that this blog and community have been a shiing exception to the problems with this game. So thank you again for all your hard work.
Matt the Pale said...
CRISY JUST TOLD ME THIS IN IM:
just been on the phone with the special events coordinator for the kipona festival in PA this saturday, and they not only don't know anything about it, but i guess i'm not the only phone call they received. ...
I think part of the problem here is the disconnect between the Apollo Candy Company and the event being put on by ABC - I assume this coordinator isn't following TLE.
There is probably some kind of "ABC" event scheduled with festival that the coordinator knows about, but by us staying "in-game" and talking only about the Apollo candy, they don't realize the connection.
I has a similar converstion with someone here in Lexington, KY. When I initially contacted them about the "Apollo Candy Giveaway", I was told they don't know anything about it, and that Apollo Candy did not have permission, yada, yada...
Only after explaining that this was all part of the show "Lost" on ABC, was I able to get some information. I was told that they didn't recognize the "Apollo" name, but they did have plans with ABC, but the details were still being worked out.
I'm guessing/hoping that things will be worked out there in PA. If plans fall through, hopefully they will be able to add something on to the end or make it up some other way.
2costa,
Thats because we all said it last week when the ad came out, The banner displayed after the poll didn't come until late tuesday and the fragment was released on monday morning. Given the circumstances with that I can see why no one else was on the ball when the poll finally changed...
But if you want some props... then here you go.
PROPS TO YOU!!! lol
Rant on everybody, since that's all we got to do right now. I'd rant and post an essay about this game, but you guys have said it already. Here till the end, here for the story, here for TLEC...
TLEC ROCKS DA HOUSE!!!
I think these rants/discussions are very helpful. We are making and sharing observations on the workings of the game and yes, even if we're frustrated or we disagree, we are very civil about it. These discussions allow us to get different perspectives on those putting the game together and develop a bigger picture perspective of the process and results. As a marketing professional, I can see and comment on that aspect of the project. It's helpful to also see through the writers' eyes, the event managers' eyes, the programmers' eyes...you get my meaning. I wouldn't be able to do that without this group sharing their knowledge and experience.
So I don't think rants are bad at all. Maybe I'm naive, but I think they help build our community.
wow... what a comments section this afternoon... Been reading all the rants and rebuttles.... wow. I know that with all the mix ups and such that have occurred, I have lost some of the story behind the ARG. But, I love the ARG because it keeps me on my toes waiting for Season 3 to begin. Considering there are around 35000 players internationally, I expect that this is definitely and "expiriment" for all involved, including us as players. I know this is my first ARG experience.
I think this community is the most important part of the whole experience. How else do you get so many DIFFERENT people to communicate so vividly. So many shared ideas and theories... so many discussions that are not arguments but actually discussions. What a great environment for a first time ARGer....
Thank you TLEC for being here for us!
Wow, people really are upset. I think it's my fault for starting the day with a rant against Doctor Who on ITE. Lol
Anyway to steer my own thread back to the story.
Maven - just caught up (or down, I work backwards in the comments, which isn't wise, I just do it anyway). Your right about Mittelwerk seeming hurried. I suspect the idea is the end of the world is due very soon.
What I get from it so far is this:-
The Dharma initiative was an attempt to alter the non-constant parts of the equation so as to stave off the end of the world. "We all know the Dhrama initiative failed" (although it sounds like Gailed to me, but why would it gail? lol). So the end of the world is drawing close and "they have to take radical action".
Not being able to alter the environment they are planning to kill all people with certain gene sequences that make them somehow "bad" (we're the "good" guys?). This takes away the possibilities equated that suggested the end of the world was infact nigh. So that does mess up Hanso because Rachel has video proof (which she apparently couldn't take to like the police or the UN) that they are murderers, but also means that Mittlewerk may perhaps have a point.
The chocolate bars were to be the way of spreading the virus world wide to purge the "bad" people. But now he's got another delivery system (Sprite? They maybe would market themselves as potentially leathal, you never know)
Now the plot twist would have to be 1 of 3 things.
1) The Valencetti equation doesn't work
2) Mittelwerks plan is the only way to save us dying sometime soon
3) Mittelwerks virus actually kills good people, not bad ones.
The one true way = the one chain of enviromental and genetic factors in the equation that does not lead to the end of the world at any point. Maybe?
Has anyone else noticed that on whereisalvar.com that there are two dots on Poland but it only the southern one pops up saying there was on submission from Poland. The one on the northern tip does nothing. Every other dot shows you something.
Yes, I did notice the Northern Poland dot too. Weird. I just thought it was one of those TPTB snafus.
fasten, dixee, fenris, all...
I agree. The ranting is good b/c nobody is getting upset or taking things personally. There is an atmosphere of maturity, trust, understanding, compromise, acceptance, and comaradery here that makes it possible for dissenting opinions to sharpen the overall consensus. It is just b/c you guys are so awesome that this works.
I gotta check out for a second. You guys keep up the great convos.
hello?? is anyone there???
i wonder why do people do not listen to my podcast.. it makes me sooo sad :<
We're all lemmings in the Hanso Foundations grand scheme of world conquest (destruction?). What's on ABC tonight instead of Lost? A special 20/20 about the end of the world.
My thoughts on the "big twist" at the end of Rachel's video? That when enough Apollo Bars are found the last segment will be revealed. The last segment will be longer that the others and it will feature Mittelwerk announcing his successor... his daughter Rachel. And those that drank the Kool-Aid (i.e. ate the chocolate bar) will all die, setting off the final variable in the Valenzetti Equation.
Muhahahahahaha
Or we find out Joop has been behind everything from the beginning.
wow Belly that is sooo true it's just a game we should enjoy it that was beautiful
David and Ryan - I want to thank you for now making me aware of just how I read TLEC...because I now read it like Daivd...T-LEC...I know it is kind of dumb but I am now driven insane by it!
wow..belly
T-LEC i say both
wow belly aren't we fight that website lol
we are fighting with that site
Totally OT, but does anyone recognize the guy's face below the flashing D/dharma wheel in the rachel clue for the last glyph?
http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/Flicker/Flicker.html
TLEC:
I have alway read it as T.L.E.C. ... NOT Tee-Leck.
Tee-Leck never even crossed my mind...
"The Lost Experience" is T.L.E. ... you wouldn't say Tee-Lee (or Tluhh?) would you? I would think most people would say T.L.E..
It is good that we can rant here without flamewars. Even when it get's heated on the comments I haven't seen anything as out of control as seems to happen every day over at ITE. Although having said that I just ignore it over there. But it is nice not to HAVE to ignore stuff here.
it does bring back memories
I have alway read it as T.L.E.C. ... NOT Tee-Leck.
I tend to have dyslexic tendencies so I read it as T.L.C. LOL! At least it makes the site sound very warm and caring...
Fenris, I like your theories.
I think what makes the not-so-great aspects of this part of the ARG are so hard-felt, is that the game started out being so vibrant. We were given websites, videos, codes and images to breakdown and crack with one leading to the next. Now we wait, which is OK. Maybe if the beginning started slower and ramped up to the intrigue of the first two phases, it would have a feel of more continuity (except the difference between the UK and US distributions is just perplexing). It plays like the way the movie "Logan's Run" started out at such a great clip, and then came to a screeching halt when they got to the part about the old guy "outside". If the Apollo aspect was an late ad-on, that might account for the difference in tempo as well.
Ditto-times-infinity, Koko! :-)
It's still T.L.E.C. for me. Sorry David and Thrash...Your'e not going to make me say Tee-Leck no matter what...LOL.
Sorry, it's a stupid post, but I'm bored.
Dr.Spongebob "Chris" Shephard-I'm going to listen to your podcast in a few...How long is it?
codysmom,
I put that up in the discussion section on lostpedia as well. I think he looks a bit like Matt Damon.
I enjoy starting spirited debate on Tee-Leck!!!
ryandrum
it's like a half and hour
Deleted and re-posted, b/c of my gramatical errors (due to lack of sleep/coffee):
Arrested??! Are you kidding me?
Well, in a way, I can kind of understand that kind of overreaction. They don't know what's going on, and figure that this could just be some group trying to cause problems. They figure if they issue these big threats, that they can scare people out of potentially disrupting their event.
ABC must not be communicating at all with these event people, because they always seem clueless and pissed off when someone asks about it.
The people at the Central Park concert were nice to me when I asked about it. I think that was because I was the first to ask, was careful to be polite and brief, and showed interest in the event itself.
However, as they were questioned by more people and had no info to give them, they became irritated. When the Apollo people arrived, the staff got aggravated and strict. They said that the Apollo staff was not allowed to hand out candy bars because they could be used as projectiles and cause injuries during the concert. They also tried to usher out anyone who seemed to be waiting for the bars.
I doubt that all of these event staff members are typically rude or short-tempered. I think that they are all having these kinds of reactions because they are not getting any info, and have to quickly respond to something that they have no details about. Their gut reaction is to turn people away and avoid the problem, because they have no way to clear things up.
I have worked at events both as part of the event staff (at some concerts) and as part of promo giveways and fundraising tables, and this is just my assessment of it. Whenever there is good communication, you generally avoid this kind of stuff.
ANYWAY, I have to say that while I preferred the beginning of it, I really have enjoyed the LE.
It has been a fun way to pass the time between seasons, which is what it was intended to be.
I have also enjoyed the opportunity to meet some fun people who share the same interests.
Sorry, Chris...My work somehow won't let me listen...I'll have to listen to it later...
Princechuck....that's why they are called "fly-over states". :-(
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this is what happens when they don't give us good clues to find difficult codes. We bitch and moan.
:D
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superdifey said... The locations scroll on the US Distribution on the Apollo site is now not working for me - I wonder if they are updating it??
You can get to it directly here: http://apollocandy.com/apolloUS.swf
Yeah, belly, that guy.
Matt Damon? Maybe a little.
I'll look into Lostpedia later. Right now, gotta go.
I was trying to remember who put up the still shots from the Orientation Testing Issue 1980 film on flickr. Maybe the head goes with the torso from the film:)
Princechuck said... OK, NOW I'M PISSED!!!! Do these idiots that run the show think that Lexington KY has more lost experience people then say I dunno... CHICAGO???? They take Chicago off of the apollocandy list???
First, I'll just assume you have never been to Lexington, KY :) I doubt the cancelled Chicago so the could come here to Lexington.
Second, I don't think it is so much that they can't find Chicago, or that they've never heard of it. I'm guessing there was probably a reason why they had to cancel that event. Most of the events have been part of some other event that was already going on: Acura events, fesitval, Lost Previews, etc. It sounds like the event in Chicago fell through, and they couldn't continue there without it. Obviously they would have to remove the date, until a new one is scheduled. It took them almost two weeks to post the time for the date here.
I would be patient. Apollo dates have been added, and changed, and details are continually being updated. I'm sure there is a lot of negotiating involved in throwing one of these events, and if something new is worked out, they will post it.
Apollo Distribution scroll works for me...Nothing updated...And San Fransisco for the 20th has been there...
We need to have Chicago and LA put back...
Fly-over states...
Yeah, but what was Minnesota?
(you can't tell but I just typed that with an accent)
I think part of our frustration with TPTB at the moment is actually due to them doing so well for the rest of the game.
For the sites, almost EVERYTHING has gone LIVE when it was READY. Even WIA.com. We knew the site was theirs but it didn't go live until it was up. The Apollo site has had its events go up and then down, then modified, then modified again.
Had TPTB (or just the sub-level of people in charge) NOT PUT UP APOLLO GIVEAWAY DATES until the very week before... hell, even the DAY BEFORE, I don't think we'd be complaining. The ON-STAGE corrections-wiggles have been irritating because it's led us on.
Handling the giveaways CAN'T be an easy job. Fine. Take as long as you want. But don't get our hopes up with events 'cause internet DISAPPOINTMENT manifests itself in internet RANTING and COMPLAINING.
And when I talk about TPTB, I'm actually talking about the hands-on people in charge of making the game work. Damon and Carlton (more likely, Javi) and the writers/creators of the game have done more for us than any other show. We've had a non-fiction book. Web site after web site. A Comi-Con extraveganza... a whole world to explore in their normal DOWN-TIME. The fact that JAVI HIMSELF played DJ DAN is proof that the people who wrote/created this IMMENSELY CARE about this game and about us, the fans.
If anything, I believe that our anger can be interrpreted as being pissed that these sub-levels of management our screwing this game up. Screwing the TRUE PTB (Lost writers) and TPTM (US, The People That Matter). Lost is a big show for ABC, etc. They should be more careful with it.
TPTM (The People That Matter). (copyrighted by KBarrick)
hey i agree with what u said about monster david earlier and I'm not acting like it was the biggest clue, but it was intrigueing that manny could give a heads up on almost anything and thanx for the props dazze
i'll report if my other lead pans out
I just want to be seen,see me!
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Capcom - LOL. I hadn't thought about the similarities with Logans run. It does throw you off a bit. Yet I still ended up liking that film so maybe there is hope yet.
Having said that, it has a somewhat mixed reaction from sci-fi fans. A lot of them hate that part way slow down so it does suggest it's a bad structure for such a thing.
But yeah, that's what I reckoned as well. It's not so much the individual parts or the plot that is the proble, just the way it's been structured and presented to us. They should have built up and up.
--------Silly Analogy Warning----------
Despite being a huge movie buff, I've not been to film school and wouldn't consider myself any kind of expert on script writting or anything. Same for TV really (or ARGs for that matter). However I do know music, because it's what I do and I've had a fair bit of training in that. So I feel I can (hopefully) make some kind of music analogy:-
One of the biggest rules of songwritting (now this isn't something you *have* to follow, like all rules in a creative medium) is to have a high point of excitement at the 2/3rds point. If there are any slower parts (like a double length verse) they would be at the begining. The 2/3rd point is where 90% of Rock tracks have guitar solo's and pop tracks have some kind of bridge. So far TLE is a rock song that goes something like this:
ROCKING SOLO - CHORUS - VERSE - CHORUS - VERSE - VERSE - CHORUS- INTRO - SHORT GUITAR FILL* - INTRO - BADLY IMPROVISED JAM SECTION WITH LOTS OF MISTAKES - INTRO - (outro?/rest of song to come)
* That'd be the Live DJ Dan thing. Great, but being a one off only counts for 2-4 bars.
Obviously a song like that would just confuse people and really start to loose people around the 2/3rds mark and heading towards the end and just leaves people with a fear of the dreaded "truck drivers gear shift" at the end (the cheesiest compositional gimmick in the world, where, at the end of the song after a few repeated chorus' you transpose the chorus one tone up and repeat to fade)
Okay, that was completely pointless. Nevermind.
Should note the INTRO's are really really long. Maybe that should read INTRO - INTRO - INTRO per each "INTRO".
Okay, I'll get my coat....
Fenris-What about the killer drum solo...
Sorry, I play the skins and we seem to be left out all the time...LOL
Gosh, what great rants today. I think I agree with every one of them! The number one thing for me regarding this ARG was the story and trying to understand what was happening on the show. The number two thing has been the great TLEC community (I have always referred to it as T.L.E.C. -- tleck never entered my mind. lol). For my first experience ARGing, this has been wonderful and educational. I find the why and wherefore of the story fascinating (while the mechanics of finding and solving clues are vital to propel the story, it's the least important part for me). Like most everything nowadays, marketing is just part of life. Major screw-ups have occured (and are still occuring), but TPTB must have their hands tied slightly by THEIR Powers that Be (who are paying the bill). Even though we are all finding this phase very boring, frustrating, erratic, and slow, I believe we are building up to something that will help us understand everything that has gone on so far.
I, for one, will stick this out come hell or high water...just to see how this story "ends". And to keep up this great discussion with all of you people.
Hansolow: Great chocolate bar!
Kbarrick: Love TPTM! Here's $1.00 for using it! LOL
Belly-HEY!!! What about Neil Peart...
It's funny, all the drummers you mentioned are all my idols...
AND DON'T EAT THE CHOCOLATE!!!
Delurking and renaming myself to as I can't remember my login!
Love the new Apollo bars Hanslow - you should email the photo to The Misfit (http://themisfitishere.blogspot.com/). It would be the perfect home for it
:)
Don't forget Cosy Powell and Roger Taylor
Ryandrumz,
Meant to say...
Thought you were great on the Podcast - you should definately become a regular - especially as David sounds like he could do with a bit of support.
hey who is bubbles???is that an alias of a lost person
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