Clue #90 - Fragment Code "89RMCOCDC6D"
Go to GaryTroup.net and click on "About" at the top to find the new fragment code "89RMCOCDC6D". The video at hansoexposed.com shows a random scientist man standing at a chalk board where it appears he is about to write out the Valenzetti Equation. Voice-over of Mr. Beardy says, "It predicts the exact number of years and months before humanity extinguishes itself."
*Check out Matt the Pale's summary of all the found fragment codes at...Matt the Pale's HansoExposed Video Fragment Code List
Thanks to Crossfade, Blink, and CarynH for emailing first, and Crossfade for the transcript.
*Check out Matt the Pale's summary of all the found fragment codes at...Matt the Pale's HansoExposed Video Fragment Code List
Thanks to Crossfade, Blink, and CarynH for emailing first, and Crossfade for the transcript.
186 Comments:
first
2nd?
i thought it wasn't mr. beardy... lemme look at it again.
top 10
yeah it's definitely NOT Mr. Beardy... the guy doesn't even have a beard.
ok, so now it says 23 is released. Back to work!
where have we already looked for glyph 22? what does that leave?
Yay new glyphs!
O dam just a lil bit to late well top 20 yay!
for information on the trading cards go here:
http://inkworks.com/products/lost/lostrev/lostrevnewprod1.html
no date is stated on the site.
Paco007 said...
nitesea - in the XML stats do you think the sequence names could be used to help determine the correct order?
The sequence names/ids correspond with the list of the most recently saved user sequences on the front page of HE.com. I don't think they have any significance otherwise
Okay so the live podcast thing is interesting. But not going to be easy to get through. The new glyph isn't really that interesting as it just tells us what we already knew (I still reckon the twist is that you can take an equation an manipulate the result by altering factors that are being processed within it, therefore the equation itself gives you control over the end of the world, but anyway).
So there is one not found yet. The website updates page I use isn't registering any changes on the usual places, so it's either somewhere outside of the normal or they just haven't released the actual glyph yet (which would be typical).
So from what I see:
A portion of the video is a tape that Mittlewerk is showing to people... whom, we are unsure. On this tape there is a man, who many assume is Alvar Hanso, and he is explaining why the Hanso Foundation was formed and what they are trying to do. As for what mittlewerk is stating on the video... we don't know yet... I'd assume he's going to tell the people that they have done their best to follow hanso's plans but now they have a new goal and it will be something evil.
everyone else concur?
Cross and Idaho, if he released the equation in the 60's then wouldn't that make doomsday anyday now?
Didn't hanso start his work in the 60's though?
well we were told by TPTB we will find out what the numbers mean in this segment of the game. Thus maybe they are the Valenzetti Equation?
idaho... what if it's desmond showing the video... hahahahaha just kidding...
Some time in 2011?
Too slow. Still five years away, I don't get the big deal.
hmm if you do it the other way... with 42 years onto 1962... you'll get 2004 or 2005.... and that sounds plausible for the TV show standpoint.
Someone want to calculate January 1st, 1962 to this date,
42 years, 23 months, 16 days, 15 hours, 8 minutes, and 4 seconds....
just best guessing it... it's December of 2005...
tapdawg, I follow your line of thinking with the numbers and all, but why would such a "sophisticated" equation calculate 42 years, then 23 months? To me, it would make more sense to instead have said 43 years, 11 months.
And what would be your starting point for January 1st, 1962? 12:00?? Also, if Valenzetti started formulating this equation as per the request of the UN in 1962, I don't think his start date, his jumping off point, would be January 1st of that year, unless we're assuming he started calculating on that date ...
More and more questions, never enough answers ...
I kinda hope the numbers aren't simply a measurement of time.
If the numbers were the only constants in the equation, that would make more sense and certainly give a real significance to them. If they were just the answer of the equation calculated at some unknown time then they are already almost totally irrelevent.
Random observation:
At the beginning of clip rrgyxs, there's a "glitch" in the video. This doesn't look like the same kind of jumpy editing that causes distortion in the other sequences. To me, it looks like someone is using the "capture a snapshot" feature found on digital video recorders. So Rachel, shooting video of TMW's video presentation, captures a headshot photo of Beardy/Hanso. Who wants to bet we'll be seeing that photo somewhere?
so this is where everyone went. i gotta pay more attention.
ok what if the numbers are events, not dates. i.e. the world ends when, say, world war 4 breaks out and the 8th country is invaded and 15 yada yada yada and 42 nukes are launched?
mikey: yup it's real 800,000 plus vehicles recalled
thought that sounded familiar! they were also recalled in 2003 for essentially the same problem
We probably won't get any big earth shattering reveals in these frags until the last one!
tapdawg: Yes, I've thought that, too, all along. TWM forced Alvar out in the early 90's by blackmailing the Board of Directors. DHARMA was originally a good thing for the benefit of mankind to survice Valenzetti's doomsday prediction. But, after Alvar was forced out, TWM took all of the research and is now doing something evil with it. Maybe he (and the savants) figured out how to manipulate the end date or he knows the exact date. But he's briefing these new scientists, setting up the SPIDER Protocol (some kind of EM/RH shield using off-shore antennas), and shipping a lot of "stuff" to the island. Don't think the end island is Sri Lanka, though.
mikey: when you get your jeep back from the dealer, search it for glyphs. rachel is everywhere, man!
Has anyone noticed (and this may be a glitch) that when moving around the clips in the sequence that sometimes the clip that you are moving fades behind oone clip but goes on top of the other. This may sound petty, but it seems to be random. I am not a webpage designer but if someone who is could look at it, it may give us some kindof clue to maybe the order or something. It just seems like there is something more to it. Let me know what y'all think of it.
Bachusyappy. A few things there. Firstly, Speaker has said that Rachel definetly ISNT Persephone. He changed his mind later. What this tells you is that you can't take what Speaker says as absoloute fact.
How can an equation not be an equation? How can you calculate anything without an equation and what would be the relevence of it anyway. I mean if there is no actual calculation going on, how does he know that answer and from what point is it calculated. Frankly if Valencetti just went away and said - There is no equation, but I reckon the world will end in this silly number of years, decades, hours, minutes, seconds, from...um, well when I first decided on those numbers, then it would definetly have to make my list (of dumbest things I've ever heard).
"And in the film fragment from today, Beardy said the Valenzetti Equation does represent the years and months before humanity extinguishes itself."
I believe it says "It predicts the exact number of years and months". It doesn't say it represents. It is it's function and that is something we already knew. You can't just assume that the numbers are now the answer just from that sentance.
"So (and this is my leap of faith logic) the numbers are the Valenzetti Equation. It is simple, but we don't know the order of the numbers."
I'm not so sure. I am certain the numbers figure in it. But I am sticking to the idea that the numbers are part of the equation and not the answer to the equation. Time is, unfortunatly variable and that throws a spanner into the works into the relevence of the numbers themselves if they are indeed the answer. Because this video is being shown TODAY, and these numbers are now completely and utterly irrelevent under your theory because time has moved on and it is no longer how long until the end of the world.
Also you have to consider the role of those Savants. If there was a hard answer and it was the numbers, we'd have to assume Mittlewerk and co. would know those numbers (I mean, the guy is writting them on that board right?) and so why mess around with autistic savants running the equation through their heads??? Why would they run those numbers though their head if they are only relevent at the exact point in time Valencetti came up with the answer?
However if the numbers are the only constants in a long and drawn out equation then these Savants would have a very genuine reason to keep running the numbers through their heads and the numbers would be now and always will be vital to the equation.
The defence rests.
The numbers, as CC and DL have said before, do not have a definite, end-all-in-one-meaning meaning. They said we will never grasp the full story behind the numbers."
Oops, left an extra bit of quote on the end.
mary: that's possible, but i'm not sure that would add anything to the story.
Lol Mikey, good idea. I'd copyright it and then email their advertising people if I were you :)
Anyone check out Ninja's blog lately? Doesn't it appear that something is on the 'label' of the shaker, possibly a glyph?
I really couldn't tell what it was. Shaker seemed the most logical...
is there a Lost rerun on in the US tonight?... could it be we have to wait until then for the new glyph?
bacchus: i'm 100% certain we will never see the equation written out (at least not in its entirety) for one thing, to preserve realism, twm and hanso would never let anyone see it (this was a discussion point regarding the hieroglyphs being used in the equation in the vik basement). second, tptb would be seriously underestimating the capabilities of the tlec community to think any fake equatio they threw out there wouldn't be ripped to shreds by mathematicians and statisticians in the audience.
ox - I was just thinking the same thing. No matter what kind of equation they put out there, SOMEONE in TLE would be able to either solve it or prove it to be nonsense. And I think they'll want to able to make it mean whatever they want it to mean... did that make any sense?
Like "The VE says that doomsday is December 31, 2012 - we can't show you the equation, but trust us, that's what it said."
tvguide.com os showing abc has GL from 8-9 and lost 9-10... perhaps it's different in different areas?
LOL, noiq.
chopsshaw: yes, that's been there for quite some time. also appears in the show several times. lostpedia has an entry on it.
mikey: good news, no reruns. bad news nothing for 12 weeks after the first 6 episodes of the season. those are supposed to play out as almost a mini series.
mikey - I'm with you onthe whole rerun thing. It sucks having to wait until January for 24, but it is so great to be able to watch a new one every week. More shows should do that!
BTW - Just heard the news today that
****spoiler for season 3****
Desmond (Henry Ian Cusick) just signed on as a series regular for season 3!
Baach, gotta say your not convincing me. The numbers are more interesting to me as the constants in the equation then an answer calculated way back and no longer actually the answer to the equation from the current point in time. You don't have the exact starting point and really, if they did mention that in this video, why would they say it's X Y Z until the end of the world from A B C, when they can just give us an exact date instead? It's pointlessly long and just to figure the numbers in there. If they are part of the question that makes a lot more sense and does fit in with the Vik institute stuff. Personally I would find it more interesting if the numbers are actually always relevent to the equation.
Also do you really think the equation is totally fixed? Because if it is then what can Rachel or anyone else really do about it. The world will end, and that's all there is to it. Time to overthrow Dharma and get on that island I guess.
However if the numbers are part of the question then the answer can be variable depending on what the other factors are. X Y Z whatever, we don't know these and they are what makes the equation both scientifically viable and vague enough to use in a work of fiction. Obviously they can't give us a checkable, simple equation. For a start it'd make for a poor book and invalidate the Vik stuff, but it would also be kind of silly. I mean, if we are to believe that this was from the worlds greatest mathematitian then I damn well hope I can't understand it myself. I think we have to face up to the fact that we are not going to be given an equation that we can figure out for ourselves. That'd make a mockery of the whole plot and I can't see them doing it.
As for losing interest if they are in the question. Well you said yourself the numbers do not have a definite end-all-in-one-meaning, that means that the real question and mystery on the numbers is WHY are they the constants in the equation. There must be something eart shatteringly special about them (then again what's so special about 3.142, but nevermind).
Also, if we did know when, what would that really mean? How would it effect us and the Arg? Would it tell us where Alvar Hanso is? No, would it explain Mittlewerks goals? No. Would it tell us Rachels dark *ahem* secret. No. It's a bit like the finale of the x-files. I mean did anyone really not feel disapointed that it was just "the alient invasion is scheduled for [date]"?
Anyway, that's my feelings on the matter.
Damn it that took ages to post. I used html style brackets until I realised that was stopping me getting it posted. Lol.
Anyway, glad Desmond will be a regular, but not suprised. Everyone I know thought he was brilliant in S2.
fenris - Amen on the x-files finale. How lame was that?! I agree, having this whole story boil down to getting the answer to an equation would be anti-climactic.
doublet - nice catch, but I think it's a phone number. Looks like 1-888-GET-FIOS.
Welcome, by the way and please post some more!
wv: egyok.... eggyolk?
Mikey - Preach on brother!
Lostatlaw - Yeah that happens to me all the time. So much so I've given up trying to find the correct sequence until I have all of the parts.
Melissa - Yeah totally lame. But I did like that subtle little bit where Mulder and Scully essentially told their replacements to F off out of their show. Lol. Okay maybe that was just my interperetation. X-Files is a good example of a show that went on way too long. I would have said 2 seasons tops for a show like that. We can get more out of lost but I hope it doesn't degrade until we're on 8 seasons, none of the origional cast and/or writters and no one really caring how it ends. But anyway, I already know when the world will end so I've got no interest in that. (cue evil laugh)
I like Doctor Strangeloves idea on re-populating the earth after an apocalypse. Hehe.
I have to admit, I've missed out in 24. I didn't hear about it until about hour 18 of season one, then I decided it wasn't worth watching 18 hours of catch up and no 5 seasons in and the idea of getting up to date is such a daunting one I don't know if it'll ever happen.
But I'm happy to come back to it in ten years time or whenever I next run out of things on TV to watch.
You know as much as I bad mouth the X-Files these days, there was a time it was my favorite show and I still cared enough to tune in for the finale even though I knew in my heart of hearts it was going to be terrible.
The problem was a show like that needed to develope a lot more then it did. You can only go on so long not finding the truth. Really Mulder could have turned into a giant scaley dragon beast and started terrorizing Tokyo with his firery breath and laser eyes and it would still have seemed not quite big enough for the years and years of build up.
Fortunatly I think Damon and co have got it right with Lost. They know the series needs to develope and in many ways each season needs to have it's own unique feel. We will find out big answers along the way, even if we keep having more questions crop up to keep things mysterious. I actually get the impression they have paid close attention to what went wrong with X-Files and are doing there best to do this absoloutly right.
Of course if they mess it up, I'll start building a wicker man for them on Worthing seafront. Bwhahahah.
No, seriouslly, I have faith in them.
Right, I'm off for dinner and my recording of Brisco County Jnr, see you all later.
Fenris - If you're still on, I agree about the x-files. It completely collapsed under the weight of its own mythology. Lost seems to be handling that a bit better, answering even a few questions along the way. And there was a time when I was OBSESSED with the X-Files. I also love that you're watching Brisco! I just got the series on DVD and I can't wait to watch them all again. Now THAT was some wacky mythology.
And you should really try 24 out on DVD. Just pick up season 1 and give it a go. Well worth it, I promise. And Desmond was in season five! :)
Noiq - you're right this last season of 24 was killer. I think that's a good example of a show that keeps things fresh enough to keep going.
I think the she-spud is on to something.
noiq - you're right about the mysteries... I think Lost is much more planned out than the x-files ever was. That show just really started to wander after a while. Lost seems to have more of a plan. Let's hope so, anyway!
And you're right - Henry Gale was on one of the last x-files episodes, the one with the Brady House.
idaho: i keep thinking along the same lines regarding the answer to the VE. really, it can't produce an exact date, only a distribution of probablities that the world will end on any given date. but things (valenzetti equation.com, the video snippets, etc.) keep saying it gives an exact date. that really bugs me for two reasons. one it's basically impossible. two, it runs the risk of becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. knowing an exact end date would plunge the world into chaos and anarchy leading to armageddon itself, possibly faster than even the VE could predict. very troublesome when i try to wrap my mind around this.
oxillini:Maybe that's what's supposed to be bugging Rachel too.
Since we're talking about the Valenzetti equation, I've got a joke that kind of relates.
Anybody bored enough to hear it or are you fixated on finding the glyph?
twinkle: i'll bite.
@Mityh
I think it is rrgyxs. It was the second one we found.
I posted this earlier -- go to Ninja's blog. It has a picture of a vacumn tube thingy and the logo looks like it might have a glyph on it. I've tried to make it bigger/clearer with no success.
Idaho and Oxi- I think you are right re: VE. The world has changed dramatically since the end of the cold war. So any doomsday calculation would have to be redone. Thinking that must be what TWM is working on. Maybe that's why DHARMA folded and now they're trying to redo everything from scratch.
I am so glad to see good discussion back on here- to have something to discuss. It's been way too quiet the past few days.
When you click on the pic from Lost Ninja's actual blog the end of the URL is this:
ymkCkB8CrVwFtCGc
I tried entering that code, but it did not work for me. Unless I typed it wrong, I don't think that's it.
B
Agree with everyone about looking for glyphs. I've spent so much effort looking for them only to have poor luck in timing or only to have speaker or ninja hand it to us. no fun in that.
ular98- you're in San Antonio area- love SA, we used to live in Houston.
ib4uc: i don't see a glyph on the tube. i DO see 3M on the tape on the bottom. quick, everyone look at your roll of duct tape!
oxillini: on the logo, the portion that is directly south, in the 1st space looks like it contains letters/numbers. But they're too small to make out. Probably nothing through.
beana--I also tried copying and pasting that sequence, and got nothing. I also tried making it all just capital letters, then lowercase letters, and still nothing. =(
i also have a jeep liberty 2004 :^(
oxillini: Are you still on? My internet went down! I'm on my neighbor's unsecured network. teehee How's that for building suspense!?
Here it is:
Vik Institute Mental Health Test
1) Fill a bathtub.
2) Offer the patient a diabetic syringe, a tablespoon, and a five gallon bucket and ask him or her to empty the bathtub.
-Escort those that use any of the items directly to check-in.
-Excuse those that pulled out the tub stopper.
-Those who correctly tabulated that it would take 185,130 syringes, 12,903 tablespoons, or 10.2 buckets to empty the bathtub may proceed immediately to basement.
inspired by an e-mail joke
That bad, huh?
according to the xml feed for hansoexposed (only because I am too lazy to load the actual site), there are currently 18,605 gamers registered at the site. HOW is it possible that with almost 19,000 players in every country on every continent in every time zone, we are not able to find glyph #22?? There is NO rhyme or reason to this. Glyph 23 is easily accessible on one of our IG sites, but for the life of me, I cannot find 22. I have scoured every site we've seen come into play, and can't imagine where else it could be located. Not even so much as a Speaker convoluted clue. TPTB, you are not my friends anymore!
tough crowd, twinkle ;)
ambient: I think we've all resigned to the fact that it hasn't actually been put out there yet. My theory is it will be in the commercials of the rerun on ABC tonight.
Has any 1 checks hanso careers or let your compass guide you sites??
I'm not so sure that there will be an episode on tonight. ABC.com says 2 straight hours of George Lopez, followed by Primetime.
According to my Direct TV. There is actually four episodes of George Lopez on from 8-10 followed by Primetime Live!! NO Lost on Tonight!!
Wow Perm we were on the exact same wavelength?!!?!?!?!
Apparently Lost is only airing in some parts of the country. My local listings on TVGuide.com say it will be on at 9 tonight.
I would think the commercials would be the same as they are broadcast by the national station, not local affiliates (though I'm not sure... someone with more knowledge of the biz, please tell me if I'm wrong), so we should all see it if it airs during that timeslot, regardless of what show is on...
More important to the whole thing who is gonna watch two hours of George Lopez??? I'd rathe gouge my eyes out with a fork!??!
according to ABC.com, it's all about George Lopez tonight... and their Lost page says "The Whole Truth" airs next Wednesday, so I assume that's the next episode they're running. Wouldn't be the first time TVGuide was wrong...
I have actually set up my DVR to record the episodes, since I kinda got into the show within the last couple months of S2 (Netflixed S1, and then just read to catch up), and every week, on Monday/Tuesday, I double check to make sure Lost is on, and it says it is. Then, on Wednesday, I always find out that Lost isn't on. This has happened for the last 2-3 weeks at least. Quite annoying. Anyways, I think that might explain why TVGuide.com and other sources might be saying that Lost is on tonight--it's the 'default' programming schedule. They go with that unless they hear otherwise.
I'm more inclined to believe abc.com, since that's from the belly of the beast (or monster, given this crowd).
passafist--If you're on that wavelength, I might just be a little frightened. ;-)
passafist: no kidding... I'll Tivo it and fastforward to the commercials... so the opposite of what DVRs are for, but whatever works... ;)
Sometimes it seems like they've been coordinating events in TLE with the episodes as they're showing in the summer. I don't have much evidence for this so share some if you do. I just remember that the "island time" issue was discussed at Comic Con the same week that an episode showed where "island time" came up.
All that to say, could the episode "Whole Truth" air the same week we get the whole truth from our video sequence?
That's the same week as DJ Dan's live broadcast. Could it have been orchestrated so that some things culminate the week "Whole Truth" aired?
korijane: I'm glad someone appreciated that. As someone who hasn't been able to sit through commercials ever since we got a DVR, it made me cringe just typing it... ;)
Twinkle (and anyone else interested)-I am looking into updating/adding to an unanswered questions thread on the message board. Just a way to keep track of those little nuggets that still have us guessing. I am just waiting for a moderator response as to where to put the thread as it's a continuation of a "sticky" that is no longer being updated by the author. Anyway, just an update from the conversation yesterday.
Melissa - I wasn't on, but I'm back now. :) I haven't watched Brisco for ages, but when it was first on it was about my favorite program at the time. It was one of those things I didn't really know anyone else that was into it (this was before I was on the net of course!), So I never really discussed it or anything since. But I'm happy to say all these years later it's still incredibly entertaining! I've only re-watched the pilot so far, I'm going to take my time with it if I can. It's funny because it was only someone mentioning (in chat I think, but could be wrong) the other day that Carlton Cuse was a writer and exec producer on it that inspired me to track down a copy. Heh, when I watched it first time round I hadn't even seen the Evil Dead films (For a horror fan, I kinda got to them late) now I've become a fan of Cuse and Campbell via other works so going back to Brisco is extra cool.
As for 24. Well, I'm not one to ignore peoples recomendations so I will pick myself up a copy of season 1 at some point and check it out. Lol @ Desmond being in it.
Noiq - Spot on. Funny you should say that about Terry O'Quinn, when I first saw the Lost Pilot I spent ages scratching my head trying to figure where I had recognised him from. I had to IMDB it in the end. I really enjoyed the first couple of seasons of Millenium, although I have to say the highlight was that short but amazing theme tune. Beautiful bit of Viola (I think it was a Viola). Good memory on Henry Gale, I had to imdb it but he was in an X-Files episode! So I think you are right there is evidence to support that hunch. That is re-assuring. Kind of like Matt is always saying about this ARG, there is a lot to be learned about what not to do when studying how the X-Files went.
Back to the Lost stuff now. Idaho Girl - That is an interesting theory. If it holds up then Mittlewerk would actually have some kind of defence. After all, if Alvar was trying to save humanity then Mittlewerk can claim to just be continuing his work and having more strained resources then Alvar had no wonder he has to resort to such tactics. Of course I very much doubt he has anything other then a truly sinister motivation, but it does give him an argument at least.
Ange: Thanks! This is a great idea. You answered my question about whether I'd have to create an account to log in and post on it.
Lost stuff: Like you fenris, I have a hard time believing even Mittlework's motives are actually driven by compassion for humanity. I'm just not clear what he could be getting out of spending all this money doing shady experiments. Whatever it is it's more important than the money.
Anybody else think next week could be the end of this act or is that considered common knowledge now?
fenris-Don't know if you've seen AOL's site called In2TV, but they have a bunch of Brisco County shows on there that you can stream or download free and commercial free. Others of interest that I've looked at are The V series, Kung Fu, Lois and Clark, Max Headroom, etc... They even have Growing Pains if anyone is missing the theme song:)
http://television.aol.com/in2tv
fenris - I remember reading somewhere that when Brisco and x-files premiered (at the same time), that they thought Brisco would be the huge hit, and they were hoping that it would be able to carry the x-files. Guess that didn't really work out the way they had thought. :)
And I JUST noticed that Carlton Cuse was on Brisco as well! At least we know he has good experience!
I had asked this before but noone responded, but I was still wondering.
Has anyone noticed (and this may be a glitch) that when moving around the clips in the sequence that sometimes the clip that you are moving fades behind oone clip but goes on top of the other. This may sound petty, but it seems to be random. I am not a webpage designer but if someone who is could look at it, it may give us some kindof clue to maybe the order or something. It just seems like there is something more to it. Let me know what y'all think of it.
twinkle - Yes, your right. Pressuming this has to tie in with the end of the world somehow it can't possibly be about money. What use is money in a post apocalyptic world. That means Mittlewerks motivations are either purely for power or they simply aren't greed. Of course you don't have to be greedy to be dangerous.
Ange - Cool, I will have to check it out. I did watch re-runs of V about 6-7 years ago, but that series was always a classic (and blatantly ripped off many times since) so am tempted to check them out again. I only vaguely remember Max Headroom, but I do remember it being funny.
Melissa - ROFL! I guess things sometimes just don't work out as planned. Brisco was a pretty ambitious show and I suppose the X-Files was a bit darker and had a pretty unknown cast (outside of light porn anyway, hehe) so I suppose I can understand the thinking. But over in the UK they were always quite seperated. I think we got the X-Files much earlier and then when they showed Brisco it was on Saturday afternoons. I always tried to be in for it or record it but obviously that's not the time slot you give to something you expect to be huge. IIRC X-Files was already making waves by the time it aired in the UK (but still got here quicker then Lost did, lol) so was heavily hyped. I'd never have known.
We'll have to keep an eye out for magic orbs in Lost :)
andrew: This happened to me and I couldn't get them when I accidentally dropped a clip into a slot where another clip was. I couldn't get them to separate except for reloading and logging in again. I think it's a glitch like them once in a while going red when you move them.
oclor: I'm not for sure but I think MTP is up to date. #23 has been found but #22 has not.
fenris: Yeah, if money doesn't motivate him, then whatever does has got to be worse.
I'm having a hard time thinking of anything Mittlework is doing as being so totally horrible. It sounds callous but in the fictional world bad guys have been there and done that. It's not scary anymore. Rachel is trying to persuade us to be scared, personally (within the ARG). So far nothing we've seen convinces me to be scared for myself (within the ARG). I hope they've come up with a motivation and an evil plan that's worth getting personally worked up, like he's using the VE to manipulate the world into an apocalypse or something. I'm wondering with all this build up, if I'll be dissapointed in the end.
Ah, I see, his sequence. Yeah, I'm not updating mine until we have more clips either.
Rachel and the Technical Support guy both go on about Mittlewerk as if he's done all kinds of unspeakable things, but so far we've not seen it. Okay, so IT guy said Mittlewerk has had people killed, but if your crusading to save the world from it's own annhilation you may have to stoop to that. Same goes for the other things we've seen evidence of. Perhaps the key is what I theorized a while back, that the Valenzetti equation is esentially a road map for *causing* the end of the world. Because you can figure out the calculation for any set of possible circumstances, then all you have to do is put those circumstances in motion. Then we have a motivation because Mittlewerk would want the world to end for whatever reason (to eliminate genetic and psychological defects and create a utopian society? Or maybe because there are too many meat eaters out there?)
You know so far what we've learned of Mittlewerk, his apparent healing powers, veganism, giant pony tail, it doesn't really fit that well with what we may or may not have read about him in bad twin. I won't quote it for those that haven't seen it, but I'm sure those that have read it know what I mean. Now, that may just be due to a comminication breakdown, or maybe Bad Twin really was slanderous. Who knows. But I agree with you Belly, the impression we've gotten soley from the ARG is that Mittlewerk is some kind of obsessive idealist. He seems more like a Cult leader then a corporate dictator.
So what I'm saying is that I hope he is more than an obsessive idealist or a cult leader. Creative brilliant people who go wrong serving their ideas are sad to me not scary.
But you guys have thought about it more than me and followed the ARG more. We'll see. I'm enjoying the wondering about what will be revealed.
Fenris/Belly: I still think TWM has more evil in him than not. We really don't know much about him other than he's really not a doctor and didn't attend CalTech. He limps, he has that ponytail, and some blood disease may run in his family. I believe he forced Alvar Hanso out and took over THF by blackmail and bribery of the Board of Directors. He might be manipulating the VE (via the savants) and now knows the end date based on current world events. He's gathering a new group of scientists, etc., setting up the SPIDER Protocol (using the off-shore antennas) to create a protective shield, bringing all that "stuff" on the HA to the island. He's doing this so a select group can outlive this apocalypse. Alvar and the original DHARMA people were orginally doing this for the benefit of all mankind...TWM gang and his version of DHARMA are doing this for the benefit of themselves.
This story has to have an antagonist: Mittelwerk.
Maven, I do think Mittlewerk has to be "Evil" for the sake of the story (arguments about morality, points of view and the existance of pure evil aside). Just, at the moment, we don't have evidence, but then the way Rachel talks about this video, when it is complete maybe we will have proof of him being evil.
It's tricky because there are a lot of directions this could go in and from comment reading today it's clear that quite a few people have radically different ideas about what would be cool. Truth is at this point virtually anything is possible and with the combination of the potential for clever plot twists from the direct involvement of the actual Lost crew, and sloppy writting from the pure ARG team virtually anything could happen. I don't think anything would suprise me right now. The secret to eternal life could well be to replace your blood with Sprite. *shrug* I just don't know.
But certainly I am looking for more evidence of Mittlewerks dark side and I reckon we will get it in some form.
boo!
Yes. And I'd tell more jokes if I wasn't afriand of scaring people away. ;-)
don't know if some of you will consider this SPOILER info or not but it just seems so obvious to me...
(don't read unless you have seen all episodes of both seasons)
***SPOILER ALERT***
1) VE: deals with "predicting the exact number of years and months before humanity extinguishes itself".
2)in the final episode Sayid sees a HUGE relic that captures his astute attention. in my opinion, it is the BIGGEST clue as to what the show is all about.
3) also in final episode you learn that DHARMA is essentially monitoring the island itself more than the people who happen to be on it. the technology that "builds up and dissapates" is clearly not HANSO or DHARMA or necessarily man made for that matter. in fact it appears they "found" something and are looking to utilize it to prevent the equation from "balancing itself".
4) other clues pointing to this happen earlier in the second season when the timer runs down and you see egyptian glyphs as part of the mechanism of the machine. again, obviously the technology on the island is "ancient" and was "found" by Hanso & friends.
5) the island has strange physics and "un-earthly" elements about it. in the final episode it is only the dissapation of energy that alerts the team searching for it. why is this? is it simply due to magnetism or something else?
These clues and several others all point to one thing...that the island itself may be a stargate or portal of some kind to another human like civilization (the four toed statue...atlantis?) OR it may be that the island holds the secrets of evolution and what came BEFORE humans, it is literally proof of a greater intelligence left behind for us to find when we evolved from monkeys (again the four toed statue is the major clue). So the VE factors into the "alien" technology HANSO found and it is why he wants to use that same technology to perhaps prevent the destruction of our civilization (if you imagine the island as a kind of "time capsule" left behind by the more advanced civilization).
all the themes have been explored in scifi before but never in this manner I suppose. anyway just seems obvious to me. the ARG, imho, is just basically ripping off William Gibson's "Pattern Recognition" and it feels like a lot of smoke and mirrors to keep folks from putting two and two together.
anyway, sorry for the long post but just my thoughts on everything. can't wait till season 3 to find out if I am right or not...
I can't wait to get the unanswered questions message board up and going. Everything I can think of to talk about is an unanswered question.
oh yeah, almost forgot the real HUGE clue to my speculation...
Walt's comic.
reproduced here in full:
http://www.lostlinks.net/comic/comic1.htm
read and then tell me if you agree or not...
dre - (don't know how to do the accent) Thanks for your post. Interesting ideas.
**spoilers?**
I'm inclined to agree with the "more is going on at the island than DHARMA and it's older" idea. Damon and Carlton basically alluded to such in the season finale podcast.
So I like what you included about an intelligent race evolving before humans who built the statue. That idea has recently fascinated me. My son loves dinosaurs and we read that dinos lived on Earth 1,500 times longer than humans have. It is reasonable psuedo-science (which TPTB have said they're going to stick to being relatively reasonable) to think that a different intelligent race could be involved in the island. And since the properties of the island hide it, we wouldn't have found out about them.
im sticking by my old theory that thf is trying to create a new species of human to live on after humanity goes extinct (Valenzetti.)
and i think the others are the new species. thats why theyre supernatural. theyre not human. they were created from scratch.
btw-my computer room has no AC and its pushing 100 degrees in here.
oh, sean. That's devotion!
dre - Where'd the comic come from?
A case could definitely be made for the island itself to be *aware,* not sure if they could figure out a way to make that explainable by closely related modern science. TPTB said they'd stick to things that weren't too far out there. Maybe they changed their minds.
I do not disagree that HANSO could be working on gene splicing current humans with "alien" island "found" genetic material. this would make the whole "good vs. bad" person angle more plausible. since we already know that the Military is MOST definitely involved, perhaps HANSO was trying to speed evolution through eugenics and the military was trying to create new "human" weapons.
that could be the struggle going that is happening on the island. the militarys "volunteers" versus Hanso's DHARMA scientists. still I think that neither group fully understands the technology they have discovered...which is why it must be kept secret at all costs.
however, suppose like in the comic link I provided above (Walt's comic), that the "energy dissapation" was actually a signal being sent somewhere? Who is the message for and why have they been trying to prevent it for so long by using the numbers? remember Desmond, was able to stop the signal from happening even though it brought down the plane (supposedly). But now that the "gate is open" so to speak...who or what is going to "cross over"?
just some ideas more related to the show than the ARG. sorry if I seem too off topic but the ARG, imho, is waaaaaay boring and has only helped to blur the lines between reality and entertainment which is what they want I suppose.
that is the new new media and it is just a way to involve corporate sponsorship and advertising outside the main medium of the entertaintment. so while you may be entertained on more levels than watching TV or a movie, you have to put up with "hunting for clues" in advertisements and other such nonsense...
sorry but I look at enough advertising every day. if they try to make me look at more by sticking elements of my favorite movie or TV show in the ads, it is going to essentially turn me off to both the entertainment and the sponsorship. YUCK!
*then again if say Apple and LOST teamed up THAT would be interesting on many different levels. Apple already has the secretive HANSO corporation thing down and they came up with the whole "iLife" concept. maybe I could deal with that.
but checking out Jeep, sprite and verizon ads? no thanks, i'll pass...
twinkle the comic is from the lost links website...
i have not yet read part 2 of the faster friends story. however, there is plenty to speculate on how this comic relates to the plot of the show...
think about the way the comic ends and the way season 2 ends.
don't think alien as in UFO's and Creatures/Monsters...
think alien as in a part of the history of this earth but largely unknown to mankind...like the loch ness monster or Yeti or Djinn's or atlantis or dinosaurs, etc.
the angle is one of history and evolution rather than spaceships visiting the planet. just imagine if all the technology that went into lets say the pyramids, etc came from another civilization that we no longer have records of. hence there could slight biological differences as well. (four toed statue)
the point is that like the pyramids, this technology on the island has stood the test of time and recently been re-discovered. an artificat that could forever change what we know about our world.
as for the supernatural elements...I think they may boil down to being totally mental and psychic in nature. which may mean that the island is "alive" and has a mind (via said technology) OR there is a "being" who exists on the island that can manifest these things.
the comic points to the latter as well as the ARG (missing organs and such)
the island may VERY WELL have native inhabitants. think about it.
Hi lockebox...WELCOME!!!
" We definitely chose that story for a reason." - J. J. Abrams, Hurley & Walt's comic book
from thefuselage.com
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=52552
thought more fans were aware and read the comic since someone was nice enough to post it online.
I just find it very curious that season #2 ended *almost* exactly like the comic...
you guys want wacky?
how many of you have heard of remote viewing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing
well, I read somewhere that it works both ways, meaning that you can also put ideas directly into peoples minds.
perhaps that is what DHARMA is up to (well, just one of things anyway)
this may mean that Rachel Blake is being used as a pawn.
for what purpose is beyond me, but she is definitely getting help in *odd* ways...
I think the ARG will lead into next season with this concept in tow...
I also believe Walt had this ability as well...ah, the 'shining" as scatman would say! =)
Tremendous pie,
What he is saying in the Magazine, is that there is a real Hanso Foundation...sans Alvar and Mittlewerk. He is saying that they are pissed for them using thier Name and company as a prop in the game and show...does that make sense...
lockebox: Welcome!
dre: ah, so it was an existing comic book and they chose it for a reason. Wonder how deep the parallels go?
Reading the remote viewing article... It does seem likely that Lost could be utilizing the concept.
Yeah, that was further up the message board. People were noticing that all over the country GL was on and Lost wasn't going to be.
dre
I like your comments.
I have thought long about Walt's Comic, and have researched it to a fairly high degree. The comic is a lot like LOST on more then one level. Walt's Book is telling a true story, concealed in a comic. The comic was published around 1998. The Alien X mentions "50 years ago".
I have blogged about this in a highly controversial but non jugdemental entry, and I invite your comments here or at the blog. Intelligent, calm, reasoned responses are invited. Crazies on any or all sides are not welcomed.
You will see why i issue this disclaimer when you read the blog. Take a deep breath, say a prayer, and THINK. We are ALL in this together.
http://users.newblog.com/thinbluemime/?post_id=2277
i dont know either megs. maybe abc forgot about us.
havent seen you around here in a while.
Next week is the Lost episode "Whole Truth." I speculated that with the pace they are releasing the clues and the DJ Dan podcast that they are timing the end of this Act to coincide with the week this episode airs. There was at least one other instance where something in TLE and the reruns/first runs internationally coincided.
tell me about it.
and i have no AC in this room. im basically in a giant oven.
you dont really mean that megs.
ive been coming in and out. i cant stay in here for too long at once. its brutal!!!
anyway, it sucks that they arent showing lost anymore. lousy george lopez.
They will. Next week. Have hope. I'm hoping I'm not just grasping at straws that next week will be an amazing week.
i know megs. i need my fix too. i am going into serious withdrawl. plus, the rehab center near my house said lost isnt a "legitimate" addiction.
well, no. i didnt.
well, it was great chatting. i have to find some air conditioning and FAST!
bye.
thinbluemime
checked out your page and I don't think there is anything too far from the truth there. Abrams is jewish and probably put certain mythological elements in that could connect up with certain historical events etc. there is no doubt in my mind that the story arc is finished and everything else is just smoke and mirrors as details to keep everyone guessing.
however, just as star wars was based on classic archetypes and mythology, I don't see any problems with LOST having the same agenda but with a different cultural twist. what is so great about the show thus far is that all these metaphors are allowed to co-exist AT THE SAME TIME so that different viewers walk away with different meanings of the same verifiable facts.
i think it is called "the indeterminancy of language" in philosophy. what this show proves (much like William Gibsons novels as well) is that because so much of our shared reality is dependent on language and communication...and not necessarily emotion, we literally construct the world by what we SAY or DON'T SAY (the whole biblical "in the beginning was the WORD"). So rather than LOST being a show where you try to determine who is lying and who is telling the truth, you are able to see how each character is trapped in a prison of their own making based on things they have said. The great thing is that the things they FEEL normally come into odds with the things they SAY. (cognitive dissonance)
so I would love to hear more of your ideas about the historical implications of the different levels of LOST. (such as the numbers and that letter...didn't quite understand)
just understand that for me, what I enjoy most about LOST is that it shows in the BEST POSSIBLE WAY how people all live in their own realities and that there isn't necessarily an objective world. That is to say, there may be an objective physical world but the emotional world is extremely relative. (Walt and Fake Henry are perfect examples of this)
wtf, we still haven't so much as a clue? I quit. Somebody wake me up when this phase is over.
lost ninja is reporting a possible glyph sighting in Aus.
No, he's just reporting an email he'd received. Very doubtful story too.
sounds to me like it's them leading us to a clue without being as obvious as last time with Ninja going out and finding it himself. Trying to keep us some aspect of interactivity to the game to avoid the complaints about spoonfeeding probably...
actually, I think there is a glyph there. Damn I am 3 hrs away and have school pick up in half an hour...
well i did say possible. wtf do I know anyway.
well I'm off to bed. Hope those Aussies come through for us by morning...
I would just Like to say that I am not happy with the new TLEC chatroom. It is not Mac friendly (or at least my mac) and that really annoys me since I was having a grand ol' time chatting with a lot of you in the old romm, which I still use ... lol ... but all bymyself :(
patch only problem is the code people have been given isn't working! I've even tried changing a few of the characters on the off chance someone got them slightly wrong, but nothing has worked... it's looking more and more like this is another one that was released early
It was indeed leaked early... Comic book stores are all on a national distribution schedual, which equals Wed.
It is Wed. there before it is Wednesday here so it got put up with thier incoming merchandise. This will most likely be a cose for tomorrow in the United States. (C/o Diamond Distributers, the largest Comic distribution chain in America)
Also in case there are any artists out there who have done works based on or inspired by LOST, I have created a thread on the message board to display your stuff.
http://www.drkdesign.com/cluesmb/viewtopic.php?t=534&highlight=art+inspired
C-ya and Namaste
Fragment 22 was found --> 750nzf8x
Mr.Beardy: "The equation is the brainchild of the Italian mathematician Enzo Valenzentti"
Glyph #22 has been found but I haven't been able to find it yet.
Seems to be a "Brits only glyph" as "Other Girl" wrote today:
Then yesterday, I heard rumblings that Ninja had been informed that someone had seen another on a poster around Sydney, and then I got a call telling me to 'be more mobile'. Well - frankly, I was a little confused, and then I figured it out! I'll let you do the last little bit of hunting for yourselves, but you need to head to the Channel 4 mobile portal - you access it by texting Mobile to 83188. This'll get you the link you'll need to find the next glyph. Will probably turn up on the Channel 4 blog.
oodles: I used timdorr's script ;-D
@lost
Don't know how that works. Did you use it to find the fragment or to find what's IN the fragment?
VOU8VPNPS5X is working now guys!
oodles: I used it to find the fragment. Check it out --> http://timdorr.com/exposehanso.php
DO NOT REFRESH IT :-D
VOU8VPNPS5X
Mittelwerk: "So now, you have to take radical action."
or "we have to take radical action"
so what is #25? I have #22,#23,#24 but not the latest one.
are you sure #25 has been found?
working on it...
Yes. it has been found. I looked at the stats file.
scoutpost: yeah, 100% sure!
Does anyone know where 22 and 24 were found?
#24 was found in the window of a comic bookstore in Australia...see Ninja's blog. It is: vou8vpnps5x. You can double check MTP's site, but he only has through #24 right now.
cubeberg said...
Guys, check out this page - http://www.se-nse.net/ixalon/codes.php, it has all 25 frags
Yes this one is up to date. Good job cubeberg. I was a little slow on the last post.
25 --> nz59
Mittelwerk: "So when we go in, you have to keep up the story"
I've never understood if it actually matters what number is attributed to them, since we have to arrange them anyway. Thought it was just a way to keep track of what's found. Do you know? BTW- thanks guys for the update and help with the latest.
LOL cubeberg... I love how these things lurk for a while and suddenly they're all over the place...
I noticed earlier that the listings on the ixalon page are a little out for recent clues, I agree with weezknight that "nz59" (which was in the secret clue posted on channel 7's site at teh end of Lost episode tonight) is #24
I agree cubeberg- it would be fun for Speaker to tip us off to one and then have someone go find it, or any other variation of that.
Guess RB must be in Australia.
cubeberg: It would be nice to see a "Portugal clue"...
Morning everyone! Great job finding this clue, way to go Cross for getting the shout out on the main page.
I am still unsure on what order to put these in, maybe I will figure it out when we get more clips...
Off to get ready for work...until later...
Another frag on the wild! Are they crazy today or what?!
"When you go in, you'll have to keep up the story"
I'm guessing these guys are going onto the island with a new objective, but are going to have to pretend they are there for the reason the others are.
I have some groups of 5 fragments together.
Hey, how about creating a new post?
dazzedelf: I forgot it's only 8 AM in the US :-D
dazzedelf - It was doing screwy stuff like that the first day when there were only 5000 of us. Glad you found a way to make it work. I hadn't thought about the cache. I thought the problem might be communicating the new sequence back to the server. You can play with your downloaded clips even without an internet connection. You just have to have the connection to get new ones or to save.
I have found a group of 5 fragments that seem to go together.. you can check the first and last frames.
See here: http://lost.joestrong.co.uk
Really cool for them to be posting the glyphs in the real world, even if they have to give us clues to find them. I'm glad stuff is happening in UK and Aus because Act 1 and Act 2 seemed very US centric. Still it will be exciting when they do a live glyph here!
i must admit. i have never actually found a glyph myself. i try, but then i see someone else already found it.
for anyone who is having problems viewing the "secret clue" video from the channel 7 site for the nz59 glyph I've made a re-creation of it here
gah, oouups on the fuselage was able to get a screen cap here
according to the XML, it was found ular
I'm not even going to try looking anymore. Chances are, for glyph #26, you have to text the entire lyrical score to the phantom of the opera to some obscure cell phone number in Zimbabwe only to learn they have no cell phones in Zimbabwe. Then we will have to wait for someone vacationing there to return with a picture of the glyph that they found on the butt of a wild lion.
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The sequence of 5 is this:
7hkbh
7ti
3ZGT
1EY8AZCZNA2
vix7zxt97
"As with all you've already been told, you are bound by your honor and commitment to keep what you are about to hear a secret. | In a few weeks, after your induction, counselling, and survival training, you and your colleagues will be shipped to a top-secret facility. | "The precise location of the facility is known only to myself | and the DeGroots, the few high-ranking members of my organization. | Why all the security? All the secrecy? The answer is simple:"
I think there is a space between 7ti and 3zgt
oodles, I have the same sequence. Sometimes it's hard to tell if the cuts between clips are other clips that are supposed to fit in later, or bad editing, like we saw on the other two orientation vids.
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oh nvm. I was wrong! D:
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