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Clue #93 - Fragment Code "Nanite"









In the recent issue of People magazine there is an advertisement for Sprite's Sublymonal campaign. In the ad, there is a picture of a Sprite can, within it’s reflection is the word, "Nanite," which turned out to be our newest fragment code for hansoexposed.com. The video fragment is of Thomas Mittlewerk saying, "our operatives at the VIK Institute have verified this figure"

Speaker from insidetheexperience.com also took out a column in People magazine to call attention to the Hanso Foundation. You can see images of both the Sprite ad & Speaker's column at Thrasher76's Flikr page by clicking here.

*Check out Matt the Pale's summary of all the found fragment codes at...Matt the Pale's HansoExposed Video Fragment Code List

Thanks to BeachGrrl, Frogg3r, Marcus Allen Cooper, and Crossfade for being the first to e-mail us on this code.

190 Comments:

Blogger maven said...

First! At last!

8/05/2006 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Second! Did not cheat!

8/05/2006 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger Aui said...

ah... second

8/05/2006 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger Aui said...

third then...

8/05/2006 09:29:00 AM  
Blogger SunBruise said...

Yay! new post!

8/05/2006 09:30:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Sorry, just had to do that! Morning all! (one more "session" before I leave for 3 weeks)

Gosh, this latest code is so aggravating. Great work by frogg3r! I had gotten my People, but immediately packed it to read on the plane! Imagine flying 30,000 feet and seeing that clue! LOL In reality, I would NEVER have noticed that! I agree with you fasten and ange: TPTB keep changing their rules! Maybe that's part of the game...but it's not fair to tell us one thing and begin to do something completely different. I'm almost glad I'm leaving the game for 3 weeks. The hunt for the rest of the "glyphs" is going to be so frustrating...I'm almost relieved to leave it to you guys. I feel sorry for all of you! This is not fun now!

(repost from previous thread)

8/05/2006 09:30:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Maven, have a fun, relaxing, exciting vacation! I envy you!!! And you are right the TPTB are changing the rules as they go, but I don't remember a set of rules being set-up, but like Matt the Pale has stated this is not a true ARG. I agree with him and think that they are telling a story and we are being a part of it.

8/05/2006 09:34:00 AM  
Blogger jacob said...

omg i just sent an e-mail with the same image to matt the pale and i come here and bam! theres the image lol

8/05/2006 09:36:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

Maven-Have a wonderful trip. We'll miss you!

Thrasher- Right on HE.com under instructions it says, "The codes are in the glyphs". That to me would mean we are to look for glyphs, right?

So in the Nanite clip TWM says that "operatives" at the Vik Institute have verified this figure. Hmm, is that what they're calling autistic savants these days. Verified the figure doesn't seem much like an equation to me as it does a count of something. I have a sneaking suspicion that while the orientation film TWM is showing to the guys in white coats may describe the Valenzetti Equation, we may be in for a surprise as to how it is actually being used/presented to what looks like the new recruits. I wonder if the equation doesn't do what they thought it did, or they are trying to make it do something it was never intended for.

8/05/2006 09:39:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

What can I say Jacob I'm good! I just updated the post again with a link to my Flikr page where you can see both images in greater detail if you want.

8/05/2006 09:39:00 AM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Just checking in - trying to follow along a little bit from out of town. Maven- have a great trip!!!!

8/05/2006 09:44:00 AM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Thrasher- like the new avatar

8/05/2006 09:45:00 AM  
Blogger whitefalcon said...

hey mave - have a nice vacation! chat at you when u get back.

8/05/2006 09:46:00 AM  
Blogger Fenris said...

This is a (another) strange one. I'm wondering if when a new code comes up whether we should just start putting in words we know (ARG related).

You know, they should have done this kind of thing for Act 1. The slow slow progress is fine for an intro, it's a terrible choice for halfway.

8/05/2006 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger whitefalcon said...

do yall think this means something having to do wiht the black cloud monster?

8/05/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Bare with me, my avitar will not get changed back unless the stupid page will load!!! I am getting frustrated!!!

At least I can sit back and relax listening to Buffett live from Hawaii...I got to tell you, even if you are not a big fan his show is one you should go to...last Tuesday when I saw him in Camden, NJ I had such a good time tailgating and seeing the show! I "highly" recommend it!

8/05/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

thanks scoutpost, ange, thrasher and whitefalcom -- I'll miss you guys, but looking forward to a great time!

Ange, I agree with you. Certain parameters had been set by TPTB re these codes. It started out fairly easily. We knew what to look for. Now all that is out the window. I don't envy you guys haveing to find the rest of these "glyphs" in most any place in most any form. Good luck to you all!

8/05/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger beachgrrl said...

OMG! I have been playing this friggin game from day one and I finally got a shout out from admin! I have to say, it is like hanukkah and my birthday all in one!! (Does a happy dance)

8/05/2006 10:05:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

Maven,
Congrats on being the first to post on this thread! It's appropriate that you go out in style.

I have a feeling about the codes/glyphs. I think TPTB are distributing the glyphs w/ the codes inside them to different "vendors" but they aren't giving detailed instructions about what they can and can't do. TPTB must be assuming that the "vendors" have at least read HE.com and know the "rules" about the glyphs being with the code.

They should have learned not to assume a long time ago. I hope they keep them in glyphs from now on.

8/05/2006 10:05:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

beachgrrl,
you deserve more than that measely shoutout...sorry that you've felt unrecognized. :(
We really do appreciate everyone who emails us clues. It makes our crazy lives that much easier!

8/05/2006 10:06:00 AM  
Blogger beachgrrl said...

Did my post sound sarcastic? I am seriously so psyked for the shout out! I am seriously doing a happy dance and yes, I called my mother! I am such a geek.

8/05/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger whitefalcon said...

who cares about the glyphs? they seem to be useless anyway except as placeholders for the codes .. maybe this with throw a little twist in the game, knowing the codes could be anywhere in any form

8/05/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

we know for a fact nanite technology is not apart of lost... why would they do this... this aggrivates me.

8/05/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

whitefalcon- I think that Nanites is just another way to poke fun at our theories and let us know that they are hearing what we are saying, like when they used DJ Dan to shut-down nanos too. TPTB have stated that the black cloud is not nanobots.

8/05/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

beachgrrl,
No, you didn't sound sarcastic. I was just saying that you (and all the rest of the faithful) deserve more recognition and encouragement. People like you are what make this game great! I was just saying that I was sad that there is no better way to elevate your importance than a little "thanks" on the blog.

8/05/2006 10:10:00 AM  
Blogger whitefalcon said...

there must be something different about this code - the word must mean something - its the only code that is a word, the only one not on a glyph - it has got to have something to do with the smoke monster i think - event tho the dude at the con denied that the monster was nanobots (did he actually say that? have to go back and re-read transcripts)- perhaps he was being coy

8/05/2006 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger whitefalcon said...

they said nanobots but not nanites

8/05/2006 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

whitefalcon,
2 things about glyphs...1) they may end up translating into something in the end (who knows) and 2) "glyphs can be fun"

8/05/2006 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger beachgrrl said...

admin:

Well, I can only speak for myself, but that 'little' thanks is awesome. It is kind of like being first post on the blog. We are doing this for bragging rights anyway, right? :)

8/05/2006 10:13:00 AM  
Blogger whitefalcon said...

theyre glyph-a-riffic!

8/05/2006 10:13:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Admin - David - Thanks for tweaking the post, I am not able to things with images here at work other than upload them, and that was driving me crazy today. And thanks for catching my drop on Marcus also e-mailing us...my adrenaline gets going when I see new info. and no new post! I am also giving up for the day on changing my avitar back, it keeps telling "page cannot be loaded" - - WAH!!!!

8/05/2006 10:14:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

thrasher76, you do a GREAT JOB posting since you are usually the first one to catch new clues. I understand the adrenaline rush for sure...it's one of my favorite parts of the game, posting a new clue just as it is revealed. I also have a super-anal side to me that edits my own posts 5 or 6 times before I'm satisified with it. I'm glad you're cool with it, because as long as I'm alive, I'm going to be a post tweaker! :)

8/05/2006 10:17:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

everyone thoughts on the end of the ARG? will it be a big reveal or willit be a reveal with a cliff hanger?

8/05/2006 10:19:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

jamaster,
I hate to say it but I think it will be a "big reveal" but it may end up being a reveal of something that we've already speculated on and talked into the ground. Hopefully not. I'm not sure how they'd work in a cliff hanger timeline wise...

8/05/2006 10:21:00 AM  
Blogger robc said...

hanso exposed is soooooooooooooooo f*********d up seriosuly

8/05/2006 10:23:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

I feel like this hansoexposed.com phase has been kind of a let down b/c the orientation film and Mittlewerk stuff are just kind of re-stating/affirming what we've generally believed for awhile now. I hope we haven't gotten too far ahead of ourselves...I'm sure they have some surprises up their sleeve...

8/05/2006 10:23:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

Admin,

i tend to agree on both counts... big reveal, and may not be as suprising as we anticipate. although there certainly is sitll alot of shrouded mystery.

Alos, what are your thoughts on the upcoming mini season? do you think this will tie in right away? the producers seem to keep saying this season will be more centered around action/rmoance as opposed to mystery, but also have talked about unveiling more about the ohters...

i guess what i am getting at is do you think we will be seeing the type of stuff we have learned in ARG this upcoming season?

8/05/2006 10:25:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

robc,
having trouble saving your sequence? I've just given up for now (I'm still loading all the fragments). There are ways to save it but they are pretty tedious. Once you have your sequence in order, move your clips up to storage and then back to your sequence one by one. Save again...I think that's it.

I'm just following along like THIS. :)

8/05/2006 10:27:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

Admin,

I agree on the orientation film. i feel like each time a new set of fragments comes out it just verifies what i havea lready theorized as opposed to giving us some new insites. have we gotten ahead of the game, or are they going to blindside us with something we didnt think of...

i understand releasing all the "juicy" clips like mr. beardy revealing his name at the end, but when it comes down to it im not really conifident it isnt somone we already expect.

8/05/2006 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger robc said...

i just put all of mine in order that i think they go in. saved it. went to view it. it could only see 17 of 28! so i exited everything so that the ones it cdnt c wud isappear and i cud work them out and put them in again. AND THEVE ALL GONE INTO STORAGE! (in no paticular order i hasten to add!) OMG i need a vacation, its interestiong about the new (others?) people being sent to the island though. i just wish i cud see it all the way through. Has anybody got them all in order if so cud u send a link to view yours pls

8/05/2006 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

jamaster,

I have one idea but I don't think it's that good. Here it is...

We'll be let down by the first 6 episode mini-season b/c it will have very little to do with the ARG. Then, after the break, the long stretch will start with a jump ahead 2 years to present day on the island and will intersect with the ARG (this will also help them re-engage a post-pubescent Walt). I'm hoping Rachel ends up on the island and on the show :).

8/05/2006 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger robc said...

admin ur a big help (im nt being sacracastic btw, im going to take a break now though have a juggle get a drink, lie down with a wet towel over my face, take an asprin mayb shout at some1 to relive stress and come back later

8/05/2006 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger Painki11er said...

top 50! lol

8/05/2006 10:31:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

Falcon-you got me curious when you said they discredited nanobots but not nanites, so I did a little looking. It seems, from what I found on a few sites, that the terms nanobots and nanites can be interchangeable. I agree though Tapdawg, that it is frustrating when they tell us that nanos are not part of the story then they use it in a clue. Falcon may be onto something in thinking that it means something more.

From wikipedia: The word "nanobot" (also "nanite" or "nanogene") is often used to indicate this fictional context and is an informal or even pejorative term to refer to the engineering concept of nanorobots. The word nanorobot is the correct technical term in the nonfictional context of serious engineering studies.

Oh and I think that maybe the clips, once all in order, are going to surprise us as to the true Valenzetti Equation (I posted it up a little further). I have a feeling it does not do what we think it does, or has been changed from it's original purpose. I really hope that there are surprises in store for us and not a let down.

8/05/2006 10:32:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

robc, did you see the link in my last post? Also, Matt the Pale is doing an AWESOME job at helping everyone. Check it out!

8/05/2006 10:32:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

Admin,

i think thats a very good possibility... we heard from the producers that the 6 episode min series will have a "mini cliffhanger" maybe that will that time on the island isnt as we expect it, and will allow them to jump ahead. I'd like to see rachael come into the show somehow, island or not.

Also, isnt it jsut me or is it starting to seem like the survivors, the big money actors, the stars of the show... no longer really seem like the main charecters in the grand scheme of things? im sure when all is said and done we will know that they all tie in and have a real signficance and were meant ot be on the island (or at least the plane)...

but right now, jack and charlie and everyone dont seem near as important as charecters that havent even been on the show.

8/05/2006 10:36:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

nanites do not necessarily equal nanobots. I think that's why TPTB keep saying that it's not "nanobots". It's semantics. I mean, what else could the black clouds be? If they're wanting to keep this stuff relatively anchored in real-world possibilities, it seems like it has to be some form of nanotechnology. I digress, this discussion has little to do with the plot of TLE since the only mention of nanotechnology was in one episode of a DJDan podcast.

8/05/2006 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger robc said...

yes i did, im using mat the pale site a lot at the moment. (matt the pale how did he come up with that) im so tired and it only 4:34pm where i am o well

8/05/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

jamaster,
Yeah, I've thought that too. Getting involved in TLE has made me feel like the main characters are just really dramatic extras in a bigger plot. Funny...

8/05/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

ange --

i'd also be exicted if there was some unseen reveal with the valenzetti equation. although mr. beardy seems to give it a pretty distinct definition. something along the lines of "it oreedects the amount of time until humanity extinguishes itself"

i mean our best hope is probably that the equation is accompanied by something that can alter things. we see the numbers used and broadcast all over the place. while "they have powers" seems to be to sci-fi, i can see them having some kind of user other then being the equation or its solution.

as far as nano/nanites go... id prefer they not be invovled. sure it may be cool and explain things but i think the show is really at its best when they are challenged to explain the unexplainable with practical everyday stuff... like when we say "that cant be possible" and then they give us something that makes perfect sense.

8/05/2006 10:41:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

robc,
I've wondered how Matt the Pale got his name as well. He sometimes lurks here. Matt the Pale, if you read this...I think it's time we see a picture to prove how pale you really are.

Are you THIS PALE?

8/05/2006 10:41:00 AM  
Blogger Mark Treitel said...

How frustrating is it that the "rules" set up aren't rules at all.

We were told to look only for glyphs, then we are told audio clues...

why set up rules and a game if you're not going to play by the rules.


LOCKE wouldn't like this game.

8/05/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

beachgrrl,

I'd given you credit last night both on ITE & here as I was searching for the origin & timing of the code... I think we may have been the 1st place frogger posted the clue...

this is what I posted:

"poor beachgrrl mentioned the sublymonal ad AND nanite on ITE over an hour ago, 8:03pm ITE/PST time, but she typed it into sublymonal.com and not HE.com.

Everyone on ITE started talking about nanites, but frogg3r found it in "his wife's" copy, plugged it into HE.com and then told us"

Then beachgrrl posted about it here about a 1/2 hour before frogg3r, but frogg3r (looking at his wife's copy of people magazine) plugged it into HE.com

KoriJane might have even had it 12 hours before as she had a copy of People & EW on her desk, but there was a discussion yesterday talking about an EW cover mentioning Lost and so KoriJane was focused on EW instead.

Oy vay vhat a schlep!! That took a WHOLE day with how many copies of people out there?!!?

Have a good weekend all. It's beautiful in NY. Will you be at the beach,grrl?

8/05/2006 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger robc said...

i remember a show which used pale people as the geeks the people who would play indoors instead of outdoorsm aybe he got it from that, ill have to ask my little sister about that. hmm when i next c her anyway

8/05/2006 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

jamaster,
nanotechnology does make perfect sense in the "pushing the limits of possibilities" world of Lost, doesn't it? I put it in the same category as all the bologna about electromagnetism creating an invisibility cloak/radioactivity shield over the island. It's plausible but not nearly possible in the world we live in (yet).

8/05/2006 10:45:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

admin, well........

*** spoiler for thoe who havent seen all of season 2 ****



we know that the "others" habe jack/kate/sawyer, maybe its because they serve a bigger purpose. there is the whole:

Kate-> her stepfather -> kelvin -> Dharma 4 degrees of seperation thing. although after rewatching that episdoe kelvin doesnt even speak with him (nor is kelvin the one withthe picture of kate as some speculated). here is hoping it ties in sooner rather then later...

at the same time, im not confident it will, i mean the "casual" lost fans not invovled in the ARG (what are they thinking?) might be turned off by the show switching directions thats fast over the course of 6 episodes...

i mean it took 20+ episodes from the show to go from people who are stranded on an island to all this hatch/dharma/hanso stuff. im not sure they would want to mvoe as fast for people who arent playing along

8/05/2006 10:47:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

All,
Enjoyed the morning chat...have to run for now. I plan on spending a lot more time in the comments next week. Hope to see you there! Bye!

8/05/2006 10:47:00 AM  
Blogger linklane said...

admin and jamaster,

Have either of you ever read the book "Prey" by Michael Crichton (the author of "Jurrasic Park" and many other good books)?

The use of nanites or nanobots is strickingly familar to some ideas regarding the cloud and, if you've read the book, even some resemblances to the "others".

8/05/2006 10:50:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

admin,

good point on the paralell between nanobites/EM/sheilding/island healing. jus ttook a look on wikipedia, I guess my opinion was just formed from what i heard on it and it just seemed mroe sci fi then it acually is. definetly seems possible in the word of lost/ARG. although damon/carlton saying no nanos may rule that out (could be toying with us, who knows)

all this research has my head spinning. ive done mroe researching involving lost then i did getting my degree!


here is something, on the last podcast damon/carlton did they said "you probably saw the monster in season 2, but didnt realize you were looking at it" now im not going to hit you with some "vincent is the monster, off the wall theory" but after watching the season 2 episodes several times each, they really got me with that one... and i really feel like once we know what it is we will be saying "wow it was right in front of us the whole time"

8/05/2006 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

jamaster- I agree with you about how the ARG will tie in. According to HE.com there are about 20,000 regisered...so taking off for folks that have entered more than one e-mail address we can assume there are roughly that many playing. Each week Lost rates millions of viewers, NOT 20,000...it would not be fair to the millions who watch and do not play to have the ARG reveal plot for the show, or have must know information to follow the story.

Also, I'm not sure about the signifigance of the nanites thing...TPTB already said that the black cloud is not nanos.

8/05/2006 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

linklane,

haven't read the book but have heard of it... maybe ill pick it up for a read by the pool. when you say it has ideas regarding "the cloud" are you referring to the "smoke monster" or the face in the cloud from the swan orientation film?

8/05/2006 10:54:00 AM  
Blogger linklane said...

jamaster,
"smoke monster" and the context of things not really what the seem to be, if you're going to read the book I don't want to spoil it for you.

8/05/2006 10:56:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

I think that Matt is going for this type of Trend to catch on! I already sent it to him and he got a kick out of it...

Thanks for the props David...I try my best and I do not ever mind a post being tweaked I do that myself...

8/05/2006 10:58:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Guys, admin, ange, jamaster, et al.,

I thought TPTB were adamant that the cloud (some call it part of the 3-headed cereberus) wasn't nanites...

There are quite a many uses for nanites in medical science and I believe there has been info released to the public about tests in places like the zero-gravity space shuttle

For medical purposes nanites could seek out and destroy cancer cells or rebuild the cellular structure, etc. which could also help retard the aging process. Any thoughts or further info?

8/05/2006 11:00:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

marcus - yeah TPTB seemed to shoot down the nanites thing, and i tend to take them at their word on that one. usually when they shoot down something like that they have something really creative in store for it. im really looking forward to finding out what the smoke monster is... i have my thoeries on why its out there, and what its purpose is, and how it got there.... but what it is still puzzles me.

8/05/2006 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

marcus said- "I thought TPTB were adamant that the cloud (some call it part of the 3-headed cereberus) wasn't nanites..."

They did say that:)! That's why I think we're barking up the wrong tree, and that TPTB are just giving us a nod that they hear out theories. Sort of like they did with Gary Troup being an anagram for Purgatory when they have said the Losties are not in purgatory.

8/05/2006 11:05:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

jamaster - ok, I'm saying that they shot it down as the cloud and did not say that nanites were out of the question within the science of Hanso, Dharma or the island. Just that the cloud wasn't nanobot tech.

8/05/2006 11:07:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

marcus - i see what you are getting at and i see how nanites could be a part of the LEP, etc...

8/05/2006 11:18:00 AM  
Blogger linklane said...

marcus_:
Just a thought, but remember in RB's blog how there was a sign-off with Star Trek phrase (live long and prosper) and then it wasn't there? Likely some infringements and lawyers started talking.

Well, the nanite thing, with TPTB being so adament, might be the same thing.

The usage of an idea of nanites/nanobots could be to some other sci-fi publications/story out there (e.g. Crichton's "Prey") they have to deny, deny, deny to keep themselves out of trouble and lawyers happy.

I think the underlining idea will remain, but IMHO it may be more biologically engineered/based rather than silcon/robotic base.

8/05/2006 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

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8/05/2006 11:27:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Let me go a step further:

When we're talking about Locke & Rose and their past medical problems, but now seemingly cured. Those could be the use of nanites.

I'm not too sure of where I'm going with this, but have we ever discussed WHY the island & Dharma (mid 1980s according to Hugh McIntyre on Jimmy Kimmel) were "abandoned" or is it just assumed that they went underground? We do have derelict & abandoned stations, so why if they're still around/nearby? Was there other incidents that didn't have to do with electromagnetism, but someone had to remain in the swan to push the button, so maybe there was a LATER reason for an actual quarantine which may no LONGER be necessary?

8/05/2006 11:29:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Wow! Great theorizing again!

Here's my repost from the last thread:

Are TPTB going to back off on their no nanobots thing or was this a shout out? There's other types of nanotechnology besides nano-bots (tiny metal robots). Or are they giving us another mixed signal to keep us guessing?

8/05/2006 11:31:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

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8/05/2006 11:34:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

So I'm right with you all too. So I'm right there with you guys on this nano-bot, nanite thing. Yay! This is my favorite LOST topic to theorize about.

Nanites can be biological. From the science reading I've done most nanotech is moving towards biological creation right now. Some of us have theorized that the vaccine might be nanotech.

marcus: I too think they've been cured by the use of nanotech. If nano-tech is present on the island, I think a big question is "Is it sentient?"

Admins That Be: If I find more cool articles in current science magazines where is the best place to put the references? Is the proper place somewhere on the research blog or is here ok? Do ya'll even want to see them?

8/05/2006 11:39:00 AM  
Blogger linklane said...

Locke/Rose, I agree.

Furthermore, it has been suggested the smoke monster was actually in the pilot episode, a reflection in Jack's eye in the first frames of the pilot. (I watched Season 1 DVD pilot and slow-mo the frames I can see how this is the case.) It has been suggested it "saved" Jack since he was in the jungle and the rest of the passengers/plane were on the beach.

IMHO, the smoke monster/nanites/nanobots role is to help/cure. Could it be that it is manipulated/controlled by the electromagnetism properties of the island? And only when those electromagnetism properties are not harnessed (e.g. didn't get the button pushed in time) the smoke behaves in an agressive manner?

8/05/2006 11:42:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

(Sorry for the double sentence last time.)

marcus: Also, great question - Why were the DHARMA stations abandoned? I wonder if the timing co-incided with Alvar going AWOL?

8/05/2006 11:45:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

I think that I'm posting too much or just the only one here so I will give you guys a page to start at and look at the use of nanotechnology.

It is NOT a copyrighted concept and TPTB or anyone can use it for storytelling. Don't worry about the people at Apple & their Nano as it is based out of a figure in math 10 to the power of the negative ninth as per a very small unit and nanotechnologies are the basis for extremely small technology at the nanometer scale. It does not mean science fiction. I have nanotech pants that are QUITE stain resistent and nanotech sun protection which keeps me fairly pale & younger looking than I would without it ;-)

Nanotechnology or nanites are not completely interchangeable with nanobots (let's not get into grey or green goo). Nanites are not science fiction and ARE applicable in today's science. Check out the use from this convention in May:

http://www.nsti.org/Nanotech2006/

8/05/2006 11:46:00 AM  
Blogger FYSB said...

Good question about the supposed abandonment of the DHARMA initiative, Marcus. The psychology of both LOST and the ARG are as interesting to me as the science. A couple of thoughts:
1. Experiment conducted and completed successfully. They found out what they needed to know to do X.
2. Experiment failed. Something unexpected and negative happened and they were forced to abandon the island. I lean toward this one, as Rouseau's reference to the sickness and the utterly bizarre of the Others.
3. DHARMA not abandoned. It's functioning exactly like it's supposed to, but now it's furthering the ends of Mittlewerk et al.

An ancillary question to Marcus'...the video fragments so far hint at a connection between the first DHARMA and something that Mittlewerk is working toward. What could have been learned that he's using now?

8/05/2006 11:46:00 AM  
Blogger linklane said...

Could the Swan hatch be quarantined because it is the safe place and not the infected place? This could be a control point for the nano-technology. Kept safe from the nano-technology. Doesn't seem that the word "quarantine" was on the inside of the hatch door rather than the outside of the door? That means those inside the Swan hatch were meant to know that beyound the door is a quarantine area -- not the other way around.

8/05/2006 11:47:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Twinkle - I would recomend the research blog for that kind of thing then promote it here...

8/05/2006 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger Fenris said...

linklane, I'm not quite so sure about that. The blastdoor map seems to reference a Cerberus security system and the areas it talks about it (like being heavily present near the Black Rock) does seem to suggest that is the "monster". However just because it's a security system doesn't mean it is only capable of violence. Perhaps it can do both. I'm not sure about the non-button-pushing thing causing it to be aggressive either because if it did save Jack it would have done that before it killed the pilot, so the button was pushed late, then it was helpful and then only later it was violent towards someone and killed them.

But I definetly think there is some kind of selectiveness going on with the "monster".

8/05/2006 11:54:00 AM  
Blogger linklane said...

Every ask yourselves, what's the role of all those other computers and tape drives in the Swan hatch? They're on, they're doing something.

IMHO, the hatches/stations that make up DHARMA were cutoff from one another as a result of the incident -- underground roads, passages destroyed. Thus, leaving some stations inaccessible or unusable for practical purposes. Explains the state of abandoned or derelict condition.

There are still stations/hatches yet to be disclosed to us, including the rumored "underwater" station/hatch.

8/05/2006 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Twinkle & LinkLane, et al.,

I'm going to have to leave soon, but I'd love to continue on this and we can traspose the best bits into the LostGrandTheory.blogspot.com or something like that...

The concept with nanobots are not that they are sentient as they are created for a specific task. You would conceivably need a LOT of them with different task to create a different organism... For size concept... a human hair is 70 - 80,000 nanometers thick. Nano is SMALL like working on the molecular level small. They can be biological or biomimetic (bionic)

8/05/2006 11:59:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Hey, guys. Been reading all the great talk re nanites, tying the ARG in with LOST, DHARMA hatches, etc. Just wanted to "poke" my nose in one more time before I go off-line before my trip. I really am not up to getting into any deep discussion right now, just want to refer you guys to The Lost Grand Theory Blog in which jamaster and I put forth some possible ideas as to what happened on the island in the 1980s to about 2001.

Keep finding those glyphs (or whatever they are now)and have that video done for me when I get back. LOL
Thanks to Shellma for offering to email me updates (if I can get to a computer). Will miss you all. Till later, Maven

8/05/2006 12:00:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

As far as nanites go, I'm still of the belief that their are nanites present in the vaccines on the island. I still kinda think the nanites may be there partially to aid repairs and partially to provide a mental connection between people, probably developed as part of the calculating processes for the Valencetti Equation but potentially put to other uses too. Maybe even as a kind of mind control. If Charlies was jacking himself up on it, it would explain his change of character if he was indeed being manipulated, it would also make Micheal less responsible for his actions if he was being manipulated by a mental connection via nanite technology.

8/05/2006 12:02:00 PM  
Blogger linklane said...

Just a thought, everyone on the island assumed the new supply of food came from something that flew over. But no one heard anything.

If it didn't come from overhead, there's only one other logical place it could have come from. Underfoot or up from the ocean. DHARMA wasn't abandoned, just restricted or minimized where operations could function from.

Fenris, I concur, your description of "selectiveness" seems the best description.

8/05/2006 12:02:00 PM  
Blogger sean said...

well, do nanites have healing powers?

8/05/2006 12:03:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

On Hatches, I'm wondering if the stations are as cut off as they first appear. The "Door" hatch is an interesting one. Combine that with the blocked passageways in other stations and perhaps there are actually passageways inside but they are disguised as rock and only open for people with some kind of singallying device. Or possibly they only open from the other side.

I also had a bit of a crazy theory. What if the Island is entirely artificial, inside an entirely artificial sea of limited size and the whole thing is contained within some kind of giant bunker thing with artificial sunlight and weather (kinda like the Truman Show). The enterance points for it are actually within the hatches and are the rocked off parts. That is perhaps why Quarantined is on the inside of the hatch.

As I said, that one is a bit of a crazy puzzle. But still, I am absoloutly certain there is more to these underground passages and especially to "The door".

8/05/2006 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Well I don't know about real life science on nanites, but certainly in movies healing is probably nanites primary function.

Of course I am basing that statement on such things, so stooped in fact as "Jason X" and "Red Dwarf" (the series). :o)

8/05/2006 12:13:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Wow, awesome start and I'm ALMOST sorry that I have to go... ;-)

It is an awesome day in NYC and I have things to do, so I'll be back in a few hours and have to get through all this interesting chatter.

Till later guys

8/05/2006 12:17:00 PM  
Blogger GhettoGumby said...

Why cant the stupid hansoexposed website ever remember my saved sequence....it seems like every time I go in there it throws random clips back into storage.

grrrr

8/05/2006 12:32:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

marcus: Sorry to have missed you. Maybe you can catch this later. The Black Smoke and other goings on make me wonder if something non-human is sentient and acting on the island, nanites come aware, as it were. But it could be artificial intelligence programming too.

In the real world nanites are not sentient and there are loads of articles about nanotech in places like sciam.com. newscientist.com, and discover.com. I found a New Scientist article from June about nano nueral nets. I'm not sure how the research blog works and I don't know enough about the subject but maybe someone could start a nanotechnology thread. TPTB said that the smoke monster was not *nanobots*, a la The Prey, but that doesn't mean a different form of the technology isn't at use on the island.

Thanks! Ducking out again...

8/05/2006 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger Mark Treitel said...

Maybe the fact that "nanite" is a code, means that all the fragment codes will actually spell something.

This is probably our best proof yet.

8/05/2006 12:44:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

ghetto - I haven't tried this yet, but it's been suggested that the way to get the pieces to save is to move them back to the storage area and then back to the view order one at a time. I suspect it fails to save them sometimes when you move the segments within the view order. As I said, I haven't tried it yet. I may do it in a bit though.

Gonna finish watching the Wild Bunch first.

8/05/2006 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Noblelawyer around or any other lawyers in the house today?

Q: Is there a law the prohibits a gift card/certificate from having an expiration date?

8/05/2006 12:58:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

thrasher76: Half hour and no answer, huh? I'm not a lawyer but last I heard they could make your gift cards expire. Check out this article at Consumer Reports

8/05/2006 01:45:00 PM  
Blogger MissMegs said...

i think it depends on what state you're in. Theres one in california.

8/05/2006 01:46:00 PM  
Blogger robc said...

Hey there all this is just another theory which has been done be4 but im about halfway through reading these posts from where i left and i wanted to input,
i think that the lost is 2 universes colliding, ours and that of another similar but with slight differences. The vallanzetti equation has either discovered or found information on this and that what the island is about trying to hold off the collision. The black smoke i dont think is nanobots, nanites, or nits (lol) but is something to do with the univereses colliding

8/05/2006 02:07:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

HEY EVERYONE!!! I see names I know!! YAH!!!

MAVEN....I had a feeling you would show up today LOL Hope your trip is the best!

I MISS EVERYONE!! At least I am not really missin out on clues, except the frags, but that can wait for the DSL! LOL

8/05/2006 02:10:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Lena!!! YAY!!! Glad to see you back in action! How is everything and everyone doing?

And no you are not missing a whole bunch these days!

Thanks for the info. Twinkle!

8/05/2006 02:17:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

You're welcome! I can't keep straight where everybody is from but I hope you're in California like MissMegs.

8/05/2006 02:26:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

robc: Interesting theory. We do need a non-nano explanation for the black smoke because they've been so adamant about it not being nanobots. They don't want their secrets explained that easily. :-P

8/05/2006 02:28:00 PM  
Blogger Uncaged said...

Hello everyone, I have been really busy at work as of late so havent had much time to search for the glyphs. SO I am glad you are all doing such vigilant work at finding them. Now as for people saying this is frustrating and slow, well I am finding it just the opposite, especially with me being so busy at work. I can't even keep up some days. I get home at night and input the clues that everyone has found, and then go look at them.

So thanks to everyone once again for all their hard work. Hope to see you all in the chatroom someday soon, but I now must head back to work before they catch me using the computer for this...lol.

8/05/2006 02:28:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

hey there thrasher! meet me on AIM when you have time OK? I cant promise that I wont get booted off, but would like to chat with ya!

8/05/2006 02:32:00 PM  
Blogger robc said...

thanx twinkle im sure i cud incorperate more lost strangeness into it but atm id like to just be able to say that thats my basis and the finer details will come together when all is revealed. Something hit me and it seems really obvisue but there cud be many reasons why its nt and why it cant be but:
i think "adam and eve" are gerald and karen degroot" if that has been said be4 im sorry but it seemed really obviuse when i thought of it. Im sure you cant prove me wrong after all we have heard from neither of them and we dont know the date of A & E's death it hasnt realy got much to do with stuff atm but it just seems likly

8/05/2006 02:32:00 PM  
Blogger Corbob said...

This has already been suggested I'm sure but do the Glyphs themself actually have any meaning or are they for fun?

I ask this because nanite doesn't have a correlated Glyph with it. Does this mean we need to expect frags without glyphs from now on?

8/05/2006 03:12:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

corbob: That seems to be the question of the day. And does this mean the the glyph pictures are meaningless?

8/05/2006 03:38:00 PM  
Blogger Brett said...

damon and carlton already denied that the cloud are nanobots/nanites.

8/05/2006 04:04:00 PM  
Blogger The Alternative said...

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8/05/2006 04:06:00 PM  
Blogger The Alternative said...

Corbob and Twinkle

There are at least two code fragments without corresponding glyph images: IG3X from the Offical Lost Podcast and NANITE from the subLYMONal ad. Just because all the glyphs are not represented does not mean they do not have some ulterior meaning. Time will tell...

The Alternative One

8/05/2006 04:08:00 PM  
Blogger mrmouseofthe12ozstopinghansoinamerica_yea_yea_bowy said...

thrasher76...
are you there ???

8/05/2006 04:13:00 PM  
Blogger mrmouseofthe12ozstopinghansoinamerica_yea_yea_bowy said...

thrasher76...
the magizene that had the sprite ad in, what was on the cover(the title)???

8/05/2006 04:15:00 PM  
Blogger oodles said...

robc,
re Adam & Eve: someone made the same suggestion at Lostpedia
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Adam_and_Eve
The pros and cons are discussed there too.
I think it is a distinct possibility, especially since they carried the black and white stones.

8/05/2006 04:33:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Twinkle - it may only appear as smoke... I thought I saw images in it as it passed by ecko and was waiting for it to do something like the water creature in the film The Abyss that mimicked Mary Elizabeth Mastroiantonio's physiognomy. Nanites & nanobots can be programmed to do certain tasks, but not alone. There may need to be a certain amount of them to complete a certain task and there's nothing to say that whatever pulled the pilot out of 815's cockpit wasn't taking on a necessary solid shape, but is still able to be permeable (or something that less than solid), but we've been told that the "smoke" is not nanites or nanobots - no denial to them being in the science of the show. What if the smoke is something like when Walt (there may be "others")or whomever is projecting themselves, they may take on another form or be plugged into the island's security system, cereberus.

Thrasher - there are laws in certain states or countries that prohibit an expiration date, but the companies can take a monthly fee to keep the account active after the card has been partially used.

ROBC - it was surmised that Adam & Eve must have been there almost 50 years with the way that the clothing had deteriorated (that's 50 island relative years no matter what you believe about the island). Maybe Amelia Earhart and her co-pilot lived there for awhile before they died ;-)

8/05/2006 04:52:00 PM  
Blogger oodles said...

Follow-up on possible explanation for time format in Pearl Station log printout - link with Fu Hsi / Bagua / Trigrams:

Just came across an interesting paper (found through Google Scholar) by a Korean physicist "I-CHING PHILOSOPHY AND PHYSICS" (a talk presented at the XXI International Workshop on the Fundamental Problems of High Energy Physics and Field Theory)
http://dbserv.ihep.su/~pubs/tconf98/ps/kim.pdf
Lots of interesting stuff on trigrams, hexagrams, I-Ching but the final paragraphs are particularly tasty [straight quote - never mind the grammar]:
According to the I-Ching [4,5], there a turning point changing Hsien-t'ien (World of Thought/
A priori World) to Hou-t'ien (World of the Senses/A posteriori World), and they say that we
are now just at Hou-t'ien. It is told that the turning point was on 1948 year, and thus, we have
passed that point half century ago.
I am sure for the 21 century and a new millennium that all the human beings hope and wish
to enjoy happily their own life in an Utopia. But, science and technology has been advanced
greatly ,and then established the so-called high-tech societies, even so as the time goes on, the
societies become complicated more and more. Therefore, the human species are loosing our own
humanity and the Utopia which we really hope to establish goes far away. Why ? Because we
lost the balance and harmony in our lives. Now, we should stand on the balance with a new
readiness and a new perception to recover this unbalanced socity. How ?
Concluding my talk I propose for the next millennium a simple prescription that the Western
science and the Eastern philosophy should be harmonized and synchronized by comparing and
matching with their independently obtained consequences through the understanding each other.


Sounds familiar?

8/05/2006 05:27:00 PM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

Concerning "damon and carlton already denied that the cloud are nanobots/nanites."

Cuse & or Lindelof have said that the Lost story is not science fiction, but have reversed that position as of late. They also said the numbers would probably never be revealed, and have reversed that as of late.

"There could not possibly be aliens because, as everyone knows, this is not a science fiction show" - Damon Lindelof

What's a Poor Boy to Believe????
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=52552

8/05/2006 05:46:00 PM  
Blogger lostmyid said...

spliced together my fragments in this order...

http://www.hansoexposed.com/player/e7da5e8b3a831ca9401bcab732c3ae8d

dont think its right, but i have to start somewhere.

btw; saw talledega nights with will ferril... you will have trouble breathing from all the laughter\!!!!!

8/05/2006 05:51:00 PM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

oodles said...


"It is told that the turning point was on 1948 year, and thus, we have
passed that point half century ago."

Hmmmmm...1948...first link below is an introduction to cracking the "numbers" code, part 1 of 6 parts
The 2nd link is the summary....revealing the date with out the 6 part details
http://users.newblog.com/thinbluemime/?post_id=1034
http://users.newblog.com/thinbluemime/?post_id=1043

(the six parts were meant to be read starting at ONE and proceeding backwards thru the blog to number SIX, note the Blog entry Date...January, 2006)

MARCH 4, 1948

8/05/2006 06:03:00 PM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

Wow, a lot has happened. Been gone for a week and still in NY. I fly out tomorrow. Can't wait to put these glyphs in. Haven't read the comments, but this is the first time I've been able to get on. High everybody, and see ya later

8/05/2006 06:17:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

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8/05/2006 06:49:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Ok, thinblue,

I've read everything and am intrigued as well as not sure how the show could be based around things related to the date 3/4/48, BUT read it all and will need to process!

Next, it seems that even if Damon & JJ were "secretly" doing a Sci-Fi show, there comes a point that when you tell people that, they go off the deep end. Routed in science or pseudo-science is fine and you don't have to have aliens to have science fiction. One could have done X-files without aliens. Think The Twilight Zone, Outer Limits or even The Prisoner, The Pretender, John Doe or even Eureka, etc., it's an element of the storyline, but doesn't open its boundaries to the far reaches of the galaxy or the totally unbelievable...

8/05/2006 06:52:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

Hey everyone!!!!

Video research blog updated!!

click here to go!

Remember: if you have been there before, you MIGHT need to hit refresh!

Thanks,
Teamlena

8/05/2006 07:06:00 PM  
Blogger robc said...

i remember when i first saw the villige that i was really disappointed with it and how it ended. However the biggest disapointment was that i had almost worked the hole thing out in the first scenes. The villige is almost the opposite of lost or maybe its the same im nt sure.The village is a society created by a bunch of people who want to get back to basics (as an experiment or they just dont like technology im nt sure this was a long time ago) The village is located within a nature reserve and the outside world doesnt know who lives there and aircraft have been banned from flyingover head. Now the offspring of the original villagers have no idea about the outside world and the hole village acts like a village would hundreds or years ago with basic tools growing there own food, without medice or vacinations from desieses, (as a result they seem to have a large mortalitly rate). So far this has very little to do with lost but where approaching it. The elders creates a type of monster which strolls on the outside of the village evrynow and agian meaning they cant leave. (its relaly just elders in a costume.) The monster doesnt like red. The villagers belive there is an unspoken agreement with the monsters, we dnt enter the forest they dont kill us. Howver right at the start of the movie i saw a greenhouse and i could not understand why there was a green house. Poor editing, maybe they had them back then, but it didnt fit, so the sudden turn of genre from expected horror with the monster to a starnge kind of lets just see what happens didnt hit me very hard. At the moment i can see lots of tie ins with lost with that and all i can say is that if it does goto a sci fi thing i hope it is in the least expected way possible and not just some "somg and dance" about nanobots

8/05/2006 07:33:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

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8/05/2006 07:41:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Hey Lena,

I read it all and I must say you ARE persistent. You finally got through to that guy when he must have been BOMBarded by emails & queries. I liked his story, but he went too far with the 2nd film mysteriously showing up on his doorstep, especially when it is supposed to be an old film (look at the period of the clothing the people are wearing on the island in the video). A bit of a laugh.

Although I saw the YOuTube video a long time ago, I was not convinced of any of its validity, then I saw/read about the original images to the ones used in the orientation films.

I'm sure you must have noticed that in the 1st film after the countdown which is definitely reminiscent of films of earlier periods like those films we saw in school when we were kids... that it goes from this countdown and then to a very modern computer made title card (I can't read the copyright date), but it doesn't fit at all... is this supposed to have been added during the expensive film transfer?

Doesn't make sense to me unless we're trying to tie this guy to the making of TLE videos or WHAT are you looking for / trying to conclude?

8/05/2006 07:45:00 PM  
Blogger washu2010 said...

Here is some interesting info an a famous Dutch psychologist Adriaan De Groot taken from wikipedia.

De Groot found that much of what is important in choosing a move occurs during the first few seconds of exposure to a new position. Four stages in the task of choosing the next move were noted. The first stage was the 'orientation phase', in which the subject assessed the situation and determined a very general idea of what to do next. The second stage, the 'exploration phase' was manifested by looking at some branches of the game tree. The third stage, or 'investigation phase' resulted in the subject choosing a probable best move. Finally, in the fourth stage, the 'proof phase', saw the subject confirming with him/herself that the results of the investigation were valid.

I find the different phases in choosing a chess move interesting with some relation to Lost and choices that poeple on the island make.

Another note about nanotechnology. I have had some experience working with nanoparticles that can recognize cancer and then release a toxin (diptheria toxin to be specific) once they come into contact with the cancer. The particles can be made to recognize specfic cancers based markers on the cancerous cell surface. Could somehow relate to Rose and her healing or/and the vaccine.

Let me know what you think about either bit of info.

8/05/2006 09:20:00 PM  
Blogger R2K said...

Nanite!

That is from the computer game System Shock 2!

8/05/2006 09:57:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

There seems to be some misunderstanding... Alex or anybody else who is concered..? Nanite, nanobots nor nanotechnologies which are part of nanoscience are not copyrighted; although there may be some processes that if copied and manufactured would be at fault.

The first mention of some of the distinguishing concepts in nanotechnology (but predating use of that name) was in "There's Plenty of Room at the Bottom," a talk given by physicist Richard Feynman at an American Physical Society meeting at Caltech on December 29, 1959.

The term "nanotechnology" was defined by Tokyo Science University Professor Norio Taniguchi in a 1974 paper (N. Taniguchi, "On the Basic Concept of 'Nano-Technology'," Proc. Intl. Conf. Prod. Eng. Tokyo, Part II, Japan Society of Precision Engineering, 1974.) as follows: "'Nano-technology' mainly consists of the processing of, separation, consolidation, and deformation of materials by one atom or one molecule."

There isn't any idea in the LOST universe that if used via a sci-fi tech or variation of wording that would probably infringe on any book, game, movie or any such artistic concept. I'm sure that TPTB are free to use it any way they see fit. There aren't any legal issues either with them using any of these concepts artistically.

8/05/2006 10:20:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

Well, did some research again....

and OMG! I can safely say where BOTH the orientation video AND the hoffitt film BOTH got their footage from without any doubt at all.

Question, does anyone think that could tie them together as being from same person?

REMEMBER, JWH1972 on flickr posted pics from orientation film SAME DAY THE VIDEO CAME OUT TO US...June 19th. If this JWH isnt an insider of some type then how would he have found this source so fast ON THE DAY OF VIDEO RELEASE????????

All I can say is, this is getting GOOD.

8/05/2006 10:35:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

research is just updated...

click here and hit refresh, its worth it!

8/05/2006 10:57:00 PM  
Blogger potterhead360 said...

anyone seen the video on speaker's site now. can't wait! (although, it wa a bit creepy at 12:15 AM, lol)

8/05/2006 11:21:00 PM  
Blogger hunter2342 said...

Hello, this is my very first post. I've always been checking the posts but never signed up. Watching TV tonight and I noticed some very familiar music during a commercial. If you remember the hanso number that we got at the very beginning of the game, (check clue #7 if you want the transcript), when you called it you sometimes got the music "New York Streets" in between messages. I heard that exact music during a brand new "JEEP" commercial and I immediately remembered the music from the phone and recorded it. The commercials had lots of bobble heads in it. When I was playing it back, I didn't see any code or anything that stuck out, but there was a part where one of the bobble head dolls was on a bench and it looked exactly like the "Mr. Beardy" on the hansoexposed.com film. Wondering if anyone else saw the new commercial and saw Mr. Beardy or found any code in there.

8/05/2006 11:22:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

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8/06/2006 12:41:00 AM  
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8/06/2006 12:45:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

If you remember correctly there is a bobble head in Darla & Hugh's apartment...

These Jeep Compass Bobblehead ads?

The four TV ads, set to '80s rap song "Steady Bounce" by KRS-One

"It's Your Life. Keep It Moving." Get it...bobble heads keep moving.

http://www.jeep.com/en/compass/photos.html?section_num=3

The Speaker Video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcPhBe7gGIw

8/06/2006 12:54:00 AM  
Blogger audiopimp said...

A little bit off topic here, but just wanted to post some thoughts which have to do in part with a theory on the smoke monster, atlantis, and also the whole end of the world thing, which i've been thinking about since watching tv last night...
On the discovery channel there was an interesting show on Edgar Cayce, a nostradamus-like american from recent times who gave 'readings' while entranced, and could accurately and descriptively talk about any topic asked, be it people, diagnosis and cures for health problems, history, even future events etc... Apparently his subconscious could tap into some sort of universal knowledge pool.
I found it really interesting, as i had never heard of him before.
Anyway, some of his readings gave descriptions of atlantis - it's lolcation, inhabitants, advanced technology and eventual demise. I won't get into it all here (easy to find by googling if you're interested) but basically he said it was the place where the first beings/spirits manifested themselves into the physical realm, and that psychic communication and understanding was a large part of the natural way of the world at that time.
- i'm thinking the smoke monster may actually be a live being which is a remnant of the atlantian era? It is not a physical form as such but can manifest, and can communicate on a psychic plane level as it reads and displays the minds of the losties.

Their 'age' ended as their advanced technologies caused a catastrophy resulting in the sinking of most of atlantis (the great flood all religions acknowledge) and the burying of their culture and various species, ushering in a new wave of mankind which is what we know today.
- giant foot statue origin? (on that note - the sphynx is meant to be from the atlantians, and atlantian history records are supposed to be buried under the sphinx's foot - undiscovered as of yet..)

The relevance to LOST here as i see it, is that he also spoke of our era of mankind coming soon to an end as a certain level of spirituality is reached. He predicted a physical shift in the magnetic poles of earth which would bring about great geographic change (meant to happen in the years leading up to the 1990s).
- valenzetti equation possible prediction purpose?

Also, the next era of mankind to progress is supposed to be much more 'spiritually tuned in' and utilise psychic and other mind powers which are not such a common part of people today. Perhaps dharma etc is all a proactive way to prepare and select gifted individuals (walt & the vision having bunch) for the dawning of the new age?
Or possibly a means to try to unlock secrets of the mind in order to themselves (hanso etc) develop the abilities and then control the lineage of the new world? Imagine wielding the power to effectively shape the foundations for the coming era of life on earth! Sounds like something Hanso & Co. might be interested in no? The "One true way" and all that...

Sorry for posting long like that, but there were just too many concepts there which seemed to tie in perfectly with the lost-happenings to ignore...
*side note - I see lostpedia has already some info on Edgar Cayce and related, so i apologise if anyone has gone over this before, just that i've been following for a long time and it was all new to me and seemed exciting!
I reccommend checking out his atlantis readings and other topics like that he got into... crazy stuff!

8/06/2006 01:53:00 AM  
Blogger Heather's Brain said...

hey hunter...not sure if you are still on but I saw that too! I was certain there had to be something on that because it seemed so familiar even though I knew it was new! Couldn't see anything though and I didn't get to record it so I can not view again...but I am with you on it has to mean something!

ALWAYS SEARCHING NOW!!!! ALWAYS!

8/06/2006 04:33:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

@thinbluemine
Interesting bit of research and nice tie in with the I-Ching predicted turning point in 1948. The only problem I have with reversing and decoding the numbers is that they are more often than not shown as individual one or two digit numbers (as on abc.com).
My current pet theory, after reading all that I-Ching info on wikipedia is that the numbers represent hexagrams (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_ching) and that the sequence of numbers/hexagrams perhaps predicts the same event that the Valenzetti Equation predicts.
Perhaps the deGroots were amongst the first Western scientists who tried to merge Western science with Eastern philosophy (... the 'dawning of the age of Aquarius' in the late 1960s...) and consulted the I-Ching as an oracle to see where the world is headed, finding out that the predictions they derived matched Valenzetti's prediction upon which they founded the Dharma Initiative with a view to accelerating individual, social, cultural, scientific and technological development in order to prevent mankind from extinguishing itself.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_aquarius#The_Age_of_Aquarius_.28Aquarius-Leo.29)

@teamlena
Great bit of digging. Question is: As players/viewers are we supposed to have found the old films? Are we supposed to accept the orientation videos as 'real' for the purposes of LOST and TLE or are we supposed to regard them as half-forged, further undermining the reputation of THF and Dharma?

8/06/2006 07:57:00 AM  
Blogger winged_eel said...

Umm..Shellma, thanks for your letting me use your excellent vocab skills. I got kicked out of the room before I could say thanks..so..

Thanks!

8/06/2006 08:17:00 AM  
Blogger Jamaster said...

audiopimp, dont quite agree with your theory about magnetic poles and the valenzetti equation being linked... Mr. beardy says the equation predicts the amoung of time until "humanity extinguishes itself" froma llw e have seen an heard it seems to predict the amount of time until we nike each other to death.

8/06/2006 08:25:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Lena - If you get on and read this, check your video research blog I left you a comment. I am full on in on this now. I will do what can to assist you depending on what it is and where I am at. I am litited at work but limitless from home. Super creepy, super interesting...I am thinking more and more that fact is going to be stranger than fiction...

8/06/2006 09:04:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Oh, and thanks to all of oyu that have also checked out some of my other photo's on flickr, it was not my intention, and boy oh boy you guys have viewed the sprite add and speaker column over 1000 times each...

Just checking in won't be back on until tomorrow....

Peace & Namaste

wv: hoebgz - hoe bags?

8/06/2006 09:08:00 AM  
Blogger irisopen3 said...

Get R. blake on the island.
http://www.petitiononline.com/LostRach/petition.html

8/06/2006 09:16:00 AM  
Blogger robc said...

... nobody has spoken in quite a while there aint a new blog is there?

8/06/2006 10:19:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

IrisOpen3-

This is a great blogger full of some well-thought people, but (I don't know) is there anyone here that is gung-ho on seeing more of The Actress More Known As Rachel Blake, TAMKARB*? I know she did a MORE adequate job at ComicCon then she ever has before, but a lot of people (not just me) haven't bought into her brand of reality.

********An RB reality breaker********

Strangely, when I thought I'd already made up my mind about RB=P, a discussion that I had with my brother, the other day, (he is one of those people being able to catch up during Act III and he was having trouble believing our bumbling RB could be the ever so sly Persephone) it led to some alternate theorizing. Along with my Bro leading me into his probability that Rachel is not Persephone (NOW bear with me for some minor rambling as it's interesting)

We contemplated that Rachel is not who we have been led to believe and is a fake or a plant sent by Hanso to eventually lead us through a PR campaign that turns out to be just what the company needed for their global marketing campaign. I mean, come on, TPTB would not have hired such a bad actress or at least would have had someone who understood the FULL storyline as a director for Rachel/TAMKARB*. So, you see, she was so unbelievable in some of those videos, etc., so that it would foreshadow and eventually be believable that she wasn't what she seemed. She's not real. You get me!?! (I don't even know where this idea is going. Isn't irony a bitch?)

[This blogger comment has been sponsored by the coalition against having Jamie/Rachel/TAMKARB, etc. from ever being allowed to cross over to LOST, the TV show.]

*TAMKARB - The Actress More Known As Rachel Blake

Do you

8/06/2006 11:24:00 AM  
Blogger hanso_usurper said...

Apologies if it's already been discussed somewhere in here...

Was watching the episode "Numbers" last night (Hurley's flashback). Keep in mind that Leonard = psych ward patient playing Connect Four, Sam = his friend/acquaintance.

When Hurley asks how Sam knew Leonard (or something like that), Sam's wife says they both served in the Navy together. They were both stationed in the Pacific one night when they heard the numbers picked up on some frequency. Sam uses it to guess the number of beans a couple years later, etc.

The fact that they both eventually went crazy leads me to believe that this may be a subtle tie-in to the Philadelphia Experiment. The only part that doesn't seem to suggest it is the fact that the PE was conducted in the Atlantic, not the Pacific.

8/06/2006 11:31:00 AM  
Blogger bigdog said...

marcus - Would gladly sign the TAMKARB petition.

thrasher - Love the early avatar of the evil monkey in the closet

lena - nice information on the research blog.

with that my catch up reading is complete

8/06/2006 11:50:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

BigDog-

Just to make it clear (irony is not necessarily sarcasm)... my "portrayal" of TAMKARB & her future is against her being in a LOST episode...

8/06/2006 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

oodles said...

"@thinbluemine
Interesting bit of research and nice tie in with the I-Ching predicted turning point in 1948."

I think the "numbers" have several meanings, with March 4, 1948, being just one of them, albeit very significant. Stumbling upon the date via reversing the "numbers" and plugging then into the Julian Day (Calender) assisted me into then doing searches for "links to that date, and the Lost story line". The linked stories, or real world events, are too close to the Lost story line to be coincidence...Sawyer with Ellory, Autaud with the Theater of Cruelty (One Shoe like in the Jack in the Jungle opening of the Pilot)....and the Aussie woman with the missing baby aka Claire.....I am still looking for real world clues and connections. If nothing else, LOST has caused me to raise my horizons reguarding my reading material, LOL..I love this show!!!!

8/06/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger Ratmanislost said...

I AM BORED!!!
This is too slow!!!

8/06/2006 01:12:00 PM  
Blogger Monday Lad said...

Jamaster - I quite like the image of us Nike-ing each other to death - some sort of mass sneaker* wielding frenzy!?

;-)


*trainers to us UK folks...

8/06/2006 01:17:00 PM  
Blogger Kinetic said...

Hey all,

Wanted to say apologies for the chat room moves. We've finally settled on a good network and we are staying. The link on the message board needs changed, i'm working on that now. If you use an irc client catch us on irc.freenode.net #lostclues. If you want to use the web client:

http://tlec-irc.trip62.co.uk

Again sorry for all the moves, but looks like we've found our network.

Namaste

8/06/2006 01:22:00 PM  
Blogger amlocke said...

Kin, where you been man?

8/06/2006 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

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8/06/2006 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

hOla ThinBlue & Oodles-

Jack isn't the only "one shoe" incident ... I did think there was some mention to it being Christian Shepherd's sneaker hanging on the tree that Jack passes in the pilot..? Jack is wearing dress shoes or is it just one dress shoe..?

Dave (hurley's hallucination?) lost a slipper that Hurley was carrying around. Didn't he get peanut butter on it?

"Hey you got your peanut butter on my slipper" (FYI, my jokey reference to an old Reeses ad. Just being retro again as Anything Is Possible ;-)

8/06/2006 01:26:00 PM  
Blogger robc said...

i jus wtahced the uk channel 4 catch up lost at end said goto www.channel4.com/lost to unravel mysteries of the numbers. Nothing there but uk Blog and experiance catch up but mayb we will find out wht they do mean whcih is why both us uk aus etc can play it. Im nt sure it does mean march 4 1942 its too convienient with the 4th and the 42 but if that is right it will b every interesting if they start using that date. i think we will be ment to think its just anothe 4, 42 reference but its actualy more. Also i could see the being the day when a spirit came down from heaven and Hanso realised he was living a bad life and decided to change it. On the uk catch up i saw it say that apparently at some point his conise caught up with him. Could this be the day?

8/06/2006 01:48:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

Hey marcus, sorry about dissappearing last night, got booted.

HEY KINETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LONG TIME NO SEE!!!!!!!!! Where are you these days??

8/06/2006 01:59:00 PM  
Blogger robc said...

this is so quiet what time wud it be in the US?

8/06/2006 03:16:00 PM  
Blogger irisopen3 said...

Clobberin' Time

8/06/2006 03:22:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Some people haven't seen the episode with Hurley's flashbacks yet. Is it Australia then if you all from UK referenced it? Are you all done with season 2 then? Or is it the other way around?

8/06/2006 03:29:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

lena:
I'm really confused by the stuff you've uncovered. I haven't read everything yet on hoffitsfilms. Our choices are either it's in game or not in game right? But if it's not in game the guy doing it has access to the same rough footage that TPTB made the orientation video from?

8/06/2006 03:31:00 PM  
Blogger Kinetic said...

hiyas lena and amlocke :)

ive been in chat all week... ive never been one to post on the blogs or forums much

8/06/2006 03:51:00 PM  
Blogger Sam to the rescue! said...

Roll on some new codes *yawn*

8/06/2006 04:13:00 PM  
Blogger patchwork3930 said...

Twinkle- We Aussies will see the second half of the final ep. this week on thursday, but I think our UK friends are several eps. behind us.

OT- Someone sent our Ninja a virus and he can't use his computer at the moment. Nice, eh? Grrrr....

8/06/2006 04:46:00 PM  
Blogger robc said...

us in the uk i just saw the 1 with sayid A.L. and and charlie GOING off to the supposed ballon place last tuesday but im a week ahead of many of my fellow ukers as channel4 to a "first look" thing a week before on E4 anothe r channel 4 channel so were a little over half way through season 2

8/06/2006 05:34:00 PM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

What's up everybody. Back in CA after a 10 day trip of the East Coast. Just downloaded the 12 clips I missed and put them in order(THANKS TO MATT THE PALE) I like how he's got them down...

Sucks that this is all we have, but glad to be back in the game again. We'll see what happens tomorrow...

8/06/2006 05:38:00 PM  
Blogger capcom said...

washu,

Very interesting angle about the nanotechnology, and the healing of Rose, et.al. I wish that I could have had that to take for my cancer instead of chemo and rads, I'd probably be in a lot better shape physically by now!

Also liked the info on the real DeGroot fellow as well.

Ciao

8/06/2006 05:52:00 PM  
Blogger capcom said...

BTW,

I want a Mr. Beardy bobble-head!!!!!!! Please, someone make them!

:-)

8/06/2006 05:58:00 PM  
Blogger oodles said...

BTW
http://oceanicflight815.com/
is back online

8/06/2006 06:06:00 PM  
Blogger capcom said...

Marcus,

I have been put off by TAMKARB's Valley Girl act since day-one. Do you think that TPTB made a choice to use an actor who would appeal to the Gen-X/Gen-Whatever demographic, instead of utilizing someone more Bond-like or mature like the 60s-type spy girls such as Diana Rigg, or even the great Sgt."Pepper" Anderson, Angie Dickenson? A woman like that would have been much more believable and interesting, even to me....a woman. TAMKARB sometimes doesn't even seem old enough to drive, let alone smart enough to zip all over the world like a jet-setter!

Just my $.02

8/06/2006 06:19:00 PM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

Has time slowed down or are the clues just coming less frequently....I feel a magnetic anomaly coming on...... (wink)

8/06/2006 06:46:00 PM  
Blogger Monday Lad said...

I think you're all getting a bit serious about the whole believability [?] of TAMKARB. I think she's doing a good job - she doesn't (one assumes) write the corny scripts or choose what RB is going to do next and where.

TPTB chose her - so I think we should cut her some slack - she's a person in RL like the rest of us - and is more than likely reading this too.

Rant over.

8/06/2006 07:05:00 PM  
Blogger FYSB said...

I'm with Monday Lad. Goofy scripts and low budget aside, she did a fine job with what she had to work with. I had a lot of fun finding and watching the videos and I like the idea of a young woman standing up against the odds. Honestly, I miss the Rachel videos...at least then we were sort of interacting with the game and had someone to identify with. Now we're a bit rudderless until the rest of the fragments are handed to us over the coming days.

Am I the only one hoping Joop makes a cameo in a fragment?

8/06/2006 07:23:00 PM  
Blogger Monday Lad said...

Perhaps he'll lean in and pull beardy man's false beard off.

8/06/2006 07:29:00 PM  
Blogger srsizzy said...

Hey, guys, there's this "game" thing being made on myspace right now. It's just starting, but it's something to do while waitng for all these glyphs/clues.

Just add this profile and start looking around. There's still some stuff being set up, but it's almost ready and should start by tomorrow.

http://tinyurl.com/hgqcm

It's definately not huge or anything, just a fun little thing. The email is "srsizzy@hotmail.com". Myspace is stupid and it won't make the profile not private and not require an email address.

TLE rocks, but this glyph thing is getting boring.

8/06/2006 07:37:00 PM  
Blogger FYSB said...

Or perhaps ..... beardy pulls off the mask mittlewerk is wearing, dastardly ponytail and all, revealing joop as the real evil mastermind, who exclaims bitterly..."and my plan would have worked if it hadn't been for those meddling kids!"

This concludes this week's episode of Scooby Do theater.

8/06/2006 07:47:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Sorry Fasten & Monday...

I state for a fact the TAMKARB did an AWESOME job at ComicCon, but the early videos had ZERO sense of what was at stake or how dear the info was to HER...

There wasn't any sense of immediacy, danger or conflict... the script aside, a LOT of us had a hard time believing her and RB in no way was believable that she could have been Persephone as I've been hearing from people catching up, too. Maybe there is a reason for that..?

Jamie/James if you're reading this, you're not entirely at fault, but you'd assume that TPTB would have given you more background on the character or someone to direct your sequences that understood the stakes. All this secrecy may have left you in need of more info. Just keep up with what you found with the live performance at ComicCon (you do have more experience with a live audience) and try to keep that when you make contact with us through video means again. Good luck with everything!!

8/06/2006 08:18:00 PM  
Blogger FYSB said...

No need to apologize Marcus (but your consideration is appreciated). Everyone's opinion has value here and we have a lot of fun hashing things out. I am a huge movie buff and LOVE discussing film and writing (hence the All About Eve nod in my nom de blog). My main reason for posting what I did is that when we start analyzing the actors, we pull ourselves out of the experience. And I'd prefer to maintain the illusion, such that it is.

8/06/2006 08:40:00 PM  
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8/06/2006 09:01:00 PM  
Blogger FYSB said...

Hey Marcus...just reread my post. I was going for polite and respectful, but I'm afraid it could be read as condescending.

As a penance, I'm forcing myself to watch House of Wax, though I have to admit, I felt a bit of schadenfreude when Paris Hilton got whacked. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

8/06/2006 09:28:00 PM  
Blogger oodles said...

Morning all,
has anyone figured out what's with the login code at http://oceanicflight815.com/ (bottom - barcode link)?

8/07/2006 04:25:00 AM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Morning All! About ten min. before school... :(

8/07/2006 07:07:00 AM  
Blogger StopSHADE said...

The members of S.H.A.D.E. are getting out of hand, and have now started a spam campaign to try and get DJ Dan to join them. They have already sent spam e-mails to:

- ABC and Disney Marketing Department
- ABC Media Relations - Jennifer de la Rosa Verti
- ABC Public Relations - Tracy Brawley & Chris DiIorio
- Sr. VP of Marketing, Advertising and Promotions at ABC - Mike Benson
- World News Tonight, Nightline, John Stossel and 20/20

I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting fed up with their antics, so I started a petition to get them to stop their spam campaigns before they ruin the ARG for the rest of us.

Sign the petition here:

http://www.petitiononline.com/no2shade/petition.html

P.S. Out of fear of becoming a target of their Spam attacks, I used a fake name, and have created a separate e-mail account to administer the petition with.

8/07/2006 07:27:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

From Wikipedia: nanite
The word "nanobot" (also "nanite" or "nanogene") is often used to indicate this fictional context and is an informal or even pejorative term to refer to the engineering concept of nanorobots
Nanorobotics is the technology of creating machines or robots at or close to the scale of a nanometre
Some hold the view that nanorobots capable of replication outside of a restricted factory environment do not form a necessary part of a productive nanotechnology

Rossum's Universal Robots, note the date of the blog entry - Again, the "numbers" reversed and plugged into Julian Day Calender, to acquire March 4, 1948 <-Better take another look at that date.

COULD the NUMBERS be a part of the predictive ability of the Valenzetti Equation?

http://users.newblog.com/thinbluemime/?post_id=1036

8/07/2006 07:36:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

SHADE is an anagram for HADES..... coincidence??? (as is HEADS)

8/07/2006 07:39:00 AM  
Blogger nb said...

Guys you don't get it

They're not trying to spam

They're trying to make this ARG more fun by making real life groups like Hanso but protesting against them

Like an anti-Hanso group

They're doing no real harm and are just making this ARG more real

8/07/2006 08:23:00 AM  
Blogger StopSHADE said...

The thing is though, is that they are sending e-mails to REAL executives at ABC and Disney. The only thing that that would accomplish is piss off the powers that be, and it may even be a deciding factor when the execs at ABC decide whether or not to it would be worth doing another ARG in the future. Spamming someone's inbox isn't exactly an ideal way to get them to do something.

8/07/2006 08:40:00 AM  
Blogger R2K said...

System shock 2? Anyone?

8/07/2006 05:28:00 PM  
Blogger SunBruise said...

Just got here, to much to read but did anyone find Frag. 29?

8/07/2006 07:12:00 PM  
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