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Lost Experience Podcast Episode 13

RyanDrumz joins David as the first ever "phone in" co-host. He did a great job discussing with David their "Final Four" important questions of The Lost Experience:

1) How does Apollo Candy fit into the overall plot of TLE...What will happen when we get enough "Golden Tickets"? Will we get the answer to "Where is Alvar" and if so, how?

2) We've been promised the "meaning of the numbers", what do we speculate that will be?

3) If there was to be one big twist in the plot what would it be?

4) What will be the final fate of Rachel Blake?

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435 Comments:

Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

FIRST!

8/26/2006 05:55:00 PM  
Blogger FYSB said...

top 3

8/26/2006 05:56:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Great! Just as I get all my thoughts typed out! :-) Time for a repost:

Who's love Dalen as Rousseau!?

8/26/2006 05:59:00 PM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Fourth!

8/26/2006 06:00:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Oh and continuing the Wal-mart thing - that's where I spent my afternoon!

8/26/2006 06:00:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Glypherific!! Podtastic!!

8/26/2006 06:02:00 PM  
Blogger jpike001 said...

Administrator what happened!
I never got a call!

8/26/2006 06:02:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

babylon rour

8/26/2006 06:02:00 PM  
Blogger katlevosb said...

for a lurker i am in top 10! Woohoo!

8/26/2006 06:03:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

jpike were u the first captain of the enterprise

8/26/2006 06:03:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

jpike001, Ryan and I talked for 30 minutes AFTER I spent 40 minutes with microphone problems. I was too tired to do the other interviews I had considered.

I figured I'd have you on next time when you were at your computer so you felt more comfortable and prepared...I'm surprised to see you at your computer! Thought you were cliff jumping? :)

Sorry dude. Next time?

8/26/2006 06:05:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

dalen and sheridan together 4ever

8/26/2006 06:05:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

i think i have reveled too much of my sci-fi nerdom

8/26/2006 06:06:00 PM  
Blogger Rufio said...

1. How does Apollo Candy fit into the plot? What will happen when we get enough Golden Tickets? Will we get the answer to "Where is Alvar" and if so, how?
well, i'm since so few have shown up on the website, i'm hoping those who did find them and took the time to upload their picture get a really cool prize. As for the rest of us, I think it might be another puzzle to solve, the end result of which will be, presumably, finding alvar hanso. But will he appear in person?? Or will it be Rachel just telling us where he is?? And if it is revealed, and he is on the island as some have theorized, will the end result be the location of the island itself??
2. We've been promised the "meaning of the numbers". What do we speculate that will be?
When it comes to the number, I'm really stumped. They could be so many things!! I like my wife's idea of it being the end result of the valenzetti equation, meaning the world will end april 8th, 2015, at the 16th hour, 23 minutes, and 42 seconds ( It does say exact moment of humanities extinction). Then again.... would they have that kind of information just written anywhere??
3. If there was to be one big twist in the plot what would it be?
When it come the ARG, I think it would be Rachel actually etiher A) being an employee of the hanso foundation, or B) being manipulated by them for some sinister purpose. It seems like this could be a possiblity. And who's to say their sinister after all??
4. What will be the final fate of Rachel Blake?
I guess that all depends on the big twist at the end ;)

8/26/2006 06:07:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

i like simon Adebisi(oz) as mr eko, that should get me some street cred back

8/26/2006 06:07:00 PM  
Blogger jpike001 said...

I just walked in the door...I was afraid maybe I had missed a call or something and then I turned on my computer and BOOM. the podcast was up! Bummer...But, yes, I would love it if you would still contact me for the next one...which will be soon I hope.

8/26/2006 06:08:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Admin: Sorry you had technical difficulties this week. Thanks for pulling it off anyway.

2Costa: But did you catch the cliffhanger with the keeper being put in a present for their son. I don't think they ever fully answered that issue. I wish stories from these universes could have gone on and on. But Star Gate and Babylon 5 had a good run. Firely/Serenity was just as good, maybe better in some ways, and it just got cut down! A million $ an episode will do that to you.

8/26/2006 06:08:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Very revealing podcast!! David is NOT Gay, not there's anything wrong with that!! LOL Just kidding guys! Very interesting! And David I would love to do the podcasts with you, especially when the new season starts.

8/26/2006 06:08:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

spoiler ++++ the number at the end of season two where the dudes called penny was the magic numbers multiplied by each other

8/26/2006 06:09:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

jpike001, Thanks for being cool about it and understanding. I can't wait to have you on next time..

8/26/2006 06:10:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

babylon five was way low buget but the stories were good, what was londo apprentice's name

8/26/2006 06:10:00 PM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Twinkle said... Oh and continuing the Wal-mart thing - that's where I spent my afternoon!

Love the Wal*Mart!

Why Wal*mart though...I orginally thought this stage would play out by visiting local Jeep dealers or Verizon Stores for "clues" that we would all have to share.

I'm dissapointed that every bar doesn't have a code - like the Coke/Pepsi under-the-cap contests. You don't even need to actually have a bar to post your picture... just a photoshop version is fine...

OK...off to listen to the podcast...

8/26/2006 06:10:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Veer. He was one of the kids from some other movie, right?

8/26/2006 06:11:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

David is also NOT a StarGate, Babylon 5, Firefly, Serenity fan...not that there's anything wrong with that.
:)

8/26/2006 06:11:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

hey admin are u gonna keep some kind of blog going when this game is over, maybe a lost blog

8/26/2006 06:12:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

And here I thought we had so much in common. ;-)

8/26/2006 06:12:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

hey what about the prisoner david that is a tripped out show, sort of like lost

8/26/2006 06:12:00 PM  
Blogger HereAndThere said...

If only I had more time to chill and not be worrie I would've done it!!! Because I just got back on and thought "if it's not done... I'll send the email...." and it's done :-\

8/26/2006 06:13:00 PM  
Blogger jpike001 said...

Admin...
Yeah...no sweat...
Just definitely keep in contact with me for the next one

P.S. The Day was a total bum, I found $20 while cliff jumping

8/26/2006 06:13:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

oooh another podcast!

8/26/2006 06:13:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

LMAO David you are hysterical!!!!

8/26/2006 06:14:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

so u are saying being fans of those shows is an alternative lifestyle choice?

8/26/2006 06:15:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

2costa,
I've been thinking about that...I would love to keep this community going. This Experience is the first place I've actually engaged in discussions with people online! I used to always check the Numbers Forum during the season but it was always so confusing for me. I like the way the comments work. It would pose a problem for international readers who aren't on the same schedule. I also don't know what I would post...just a synopsis of the episode and then let people have discussions in the comments? What do you guys think?

8/26/2006 06:15:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Ryan - you did a glyphtasticly awesome job on the podcast!! Nice Job!!!

8/26/2006 06:16:00 PM  
Blogger tole212 said...

Regarding Mira Furlan...

She is Croatian and so am I :)

8/26/2006 06:16:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

thats a sweet idea cause the other forums have a lot of gimps on them

8/26/2006 06:16:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

i hope you forehead doesnt look like delins

8/26/2006 06:17:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

toni kucok

8/26/2006 06:18:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

luka kovach

8/26/2006 06:18:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

David - I think that is a great idea. We could try to not put spoilers in it, but I think the UK/AUS gang would have to know that we are doing it in advance...so we may or may not lose some folks. But I do think it would be really cool to continue the blog and the excellent "watercooler" types of conversations.

8/26/2006 06:19:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

oh i thought this was famous croations for 200

8/26/2006 06:19:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

2 costa,
I honestly don't know enough about those shows or their fandom to classify it as an alternative lifestyle. I'm actually not big into classifying people into categories like that...I hope everyone understands that the whole "gay thing" on the podcasts is just my way of injecting a little self-deprecating humor and is by no means intended to be any sort of social commentary. Like I said, I don't like categories or labels...I just think peole that watch those shows are nerds.

8/26/2006 06:19:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

i feel bad for all the people that have to wait past oct 4th

8/26/2006 06:20:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

i was referring to the seinfeld there is not anything wrong with that

8/26/2006 06:20:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

peole = people

(I hate typos)

8/26/2006 06:21:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

im with u i hide my nerd stripes

8/26/2006 06:21:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

my wife will catch me watching c-span then i get all embarassed that i now how govt works that type of thing

8/26/2006 06:22:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

2 costa,
I know you were joking. I just wanted to put out a little disclaimer...And add a little joke of my own.

8/26/2006 06:22:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

aereola=aardvard ilike this game

8/26/2006 06:23:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

i like the way u think david

8/26/2006 06:23:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Did you eat one of those bars David? I think we are like 2 or 3 nerd classifications below Trekkies!! I totally understood your commentary on the podcast...I was just trying to be funny...

Well, the podcast is great!!! Both of you!!! I am off to try and not be sick anymore today!!!

8/26/2006 06:24:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

tole212: Go, Croatians! She's an amazing actress that's for sure.

So do the UK and AUS have their seasons end this summer and then have a long dry boring period until their season starts up again? At least in the US we got to have the Experience while waiting for season 3, but they won't have that. Man.

Another idea would be to do character spotlights. Well, since each episode usually centers around a character that might be the same as a summary of the episode. Except that reviewing the information we have about a character can really help in interpreting an episode about them. I'm constantly forgetting tidbits.

8/26/2006 06:24:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

wait.....I have not heard the podcasts yet but you said those that watch stargate sg-1 are nerds????

8/26/2006 06:24:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

i'm with u david most forums i just dont fit in,not like i fit in here, but i have never posted as much as here

8/26/2006 06:24:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

Gotta take off guys...hope you enjoy the podcast and I also hope it spurs some "big picture" thinking. I do want to give Matt the Pale some credit for helping me come up with the questions when we chatted the other night. Thanks Matt...Look forward to having you on the podcast sometime soon.

8/26/2006 06:25:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

he was kidding

8/26/2006 06:25:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

if u watch a lot of sci-fi and dont know u are a nerd then u are very delusional

8/26/2006 06:26:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

nerd cool will be the new thing like trucker chic

8/26/2006 06:26:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

8/26/2006 06:26:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

i gotta go beat my

8/26/2006 06:27:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

kids,jk

8/26/2006 06:27:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

8/26/2006 06:28:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

Twinkle,
I like those ideas. I just know that once the season starts, "water cooler discussion" will be unavoidable and Americans will gravitate towards those discussions. Can international viewers not get the iTunes versions or the ABC.com versions of new episodes? That would be one way for us all to track together.

Noblelawyer,
I was just aiming at "humor in irony" earlier in the comments when I said, "I don't like categories or labels...I just think peole that watch those shows are nerds."

8/26/2006 06:29:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

I'll get it right this time!

Noble: Have you taken your Inner Geek test yet?
http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html

Don't forget to add 5 for participating in a Lost blog and watching StarGate (great show, BTW)! ;-)

8/26/2006 06:30:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

Okay...I really do have to go!!! This thing is so hard to tear yourself away from sometimes!
Twinkle, I'll take the test and get back to you on the results. By the way, you need to drive up to Dallas for the Apollo giveaway.

8/26/2006 06:32:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Hi, Admin!

Looking forward to listening to podcast.

Would love to continue this community whenever TLE ends and S3 begins. Something should be able to be worked out for UK/Aussies.

8/26/2006 06:34:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

if you recognize charlie from lost from some other movie you might just be a nerd

8/26/2006 06:34:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

at first when lost came out i called jack charlie from his role on party of five so it was very confusing

8/26/2006 06:35:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

LOTR

8/26/2006 06:35:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

i love this thread all to myself ver yroomy

8/26/2006 06:36:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

roomy

8/26/2006 06:36:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

I'm not so sure, Maven. Do you have some ideas? What could we talk about if not the Lost episodes we just viewed? And UK/AUS are on a different schedule, right? It's a bummer.

8/26/2006 06:39:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Toni- I just got back, but do have plans to go to 2moro's 1/2 marathon with some people... I don't really need to run all over town, but if I was with guys that want some backup, I'd go to TS and also head down to BP... Either way, I should be able to print it out for you as mine printed ok... how/what did you did you save it [as]?

DeD- that chick playing Claudia Black's daughter is SO hot!! She's also in the Serenity movie..? I've been putting it off, but NOT any longer ;-) I didn't read the comparison to Serenity earlier as I don't like "spoilers" for things that I have no previous context, etc. Like if I'd known the "twist" in Sixth Sense... it would have ruined the end for me, etc.!! BTW, my pic got rejected (it was a take on my icon photo) and I don't know if it was my pic or my Golden code as I'm trying to figure out the missing part?!?

8/26/2006 06:39:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Marcus: Yeah, then don't read the spoiler 'cuz it stated the whole point of the movie that you don't figure out until the end. But *do* go see Serenity and pick up Firefly to watch while you're at it. :-)

Sorry you're having trouble with you WIA pic.

8/26/2006 06:43:00 PM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

David, I am just now listening to the new podcast with Ryan. Keep up the good work, don't burn out, and the "name callers" are just jealous.

Remember, Anna Lucia questioned Sawyers sexuality several episodes ago as the tail section crew were traveling to return Jin, Michael and Sawyer back to the losties of the mid section. So, acusations are just weak minded ppl attempting to intimidate. I wish more hetro men would feel secure in their masculinity to tell other men , "I Love You".

David and Jonathan of OT fame were manly men, and expressed their love to each other. I tell my adult sons I love them, and hug them frequently. Life is short.....TELL the ones we love, that we love them...one day it will be to late.

Be of good cheer...stay the course, and God Bless!!!

8/26/2006 06:48:00 PM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

I'm never in the right place at the right time. Would've done the podcast with you admin (although I would have no idea what to say)- maybe another time if you're in a bind. Going to go listen to it now.

8/26/2006 07:01:00 PM  
Blogger ib4uc said...

Thrasher76 said...
David - I think that is a great idea. We could try to not put spoilers in it, but I think the UK/AUS gang would have to know that we are doing it in advance...so we may or may not lose some folks. But I do think it would be really cool to continue the blog and the excellent "watercooler" types of conversations.

I think this is a good idea also. It would be so much better than some of the alternatives out there.

8/26/2006 07:01:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

So where's the podcast? ;-)

8/26/2006 07:01:00 PM  
Blogger tonilost said...

Marcus, aka, MAC-funny I just found the new thread and you answered me, I'm going to Battery Park as it's a bit later, the neighbors kid likes Lost so I have a lil croney.As far as the VIP pass I just sent it as a page thru email to 2 people neither of whom could open it. I sent it to myself to see what they were on about and I couldnt open it either. Maybe I'll see you there, I know Dharmachick is going too. This time I'm getting me a bar!

8/26/2006 07:10:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

1) So the cool mysteries of Acts 1 and 2 were probably written by TPTB. Acts 3 and 4 seem to be turned over to marketers. We'll get some big reveals, but we've had so long to speculate on them they won't be total surprises anymore. I think that we're getting back to the part of the game where TPTB are back in charge and more of their brilliant plot planning will show forth. So I agree with the podcast, that the reveal for WIA.com will be big, and I hope the we get the answer to WIA.

All that said, I'm still confused about why a Hanso subsidiary seems to be helping the efforts of Rachel Blake? Is THF falling apart from within?

8/26/2006 07:11:00 PM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

Hey all, hope you guys like it. I was honored to do this with David...DAIVD-Call me anytime, I'm down to do this till the end...
Thanks so much for the compliments...
MAVEN-WHAT'S UP, GLAD TO SEE YOUR BACK!!!

8/26/2006 07:14:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

If THF is falling apart from within and Alvar is underground hiding from Mittlework, maybe parts of THF are realigning themselves with Alvar instead of Mittlework? Maybe Alvar is driving the whole push to take down THF?

8/26/2006 07:16:00 PM  
Blogger DeDJeZTeR said...

David,

I know you were joking but, People who watch those shows are nerds... Have you seen that Glyphs are fun T-short commercial... that is the epitomy of nerd right there in a little bundle... lol ... My favorite part was when the girl asks you

Q) Where did you get that shirt??

The response has nothing to do with the question.

A) Glyphs are fun T-shirt... Only a nerd would completely ignore the question and give a response based on there own personal feelings... lol j/k

Marcus, Yes Morena Baccarin is extremely hot and played Inara Serra (the companion) on firefly. She was on the latest episode of stargate and will be reappearing until the end of the season/series...:(

Gonna listen to the podcast now...C-ya

8/26/2006 07:16:00 PM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

Die Hrad Lost UK fans (as well as many others)are getting episodes of Lost nearly at the same time as the USA via torrents, newsgroups and P2P networks....they can not be spoiled LOL

8/26/2006 07:17:00 PM  
Blogger DeDJeZTeR said...

Oh and to who ever said that Adam Baldwin is not a Baldwin brother... think again, He most certaily is a Baldwin Brother... sorry to disappoint you.

8/26/2006 07:18:00 PM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

DIE HARD I can not spell OR Type tonight :)

8/26/2006 07:18:00 PM  
Blogger kiddoc said...

There is a time when guys tell each other they love them, twinkle - usually after drinking all night:

Dude 1: I love you, man!!!
Dude 2: No, man, I love you!!
Dude 1: Man, you're the best friend I've ever...urrgh...whooooeeeeepp.....blargh!
Dude 2: Man, you puked all over your shoes! Woah!
etc. etc.

8/26/2006 07:18:00 PM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

Dedjezter ...I read it on wikipedia...so it must be true (wink)

8/26/2006 07:19:00 PM  
Blogger tonilost said...

twinkle, I think every act was corporate plugging at it's worst. I did like the old old and the new old Hanso sites tho, not to mention a certain ape walking Doc.

8/26/2006 07:19:00 PM  
Blogger DeDJeZTeR said...

Just kidding, he is not a Baldwin brother... just wanted to see how many peeps went crazy when I said that... Teee Heeee

8/26/2006 07:21:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

kiddoc: LOL!

And Adam Baldwin plays this tough, dumb thug named Jayne! Ya gotta see the Firefly episode about the planet where he's a hero!

8/26/2006 07:21:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

toni: It's just gotten worse since Act 3 started. I'm hoping we get back to story and away from promotions to close this thing out. What's your take on the whole Apollo/WIA thing?

8/26/2006 07:22:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Just saying creating a scifi western with tension between freedom fighters and the "ideal" society, all with Chinese swear words - Genius!

8/26/2006 07:24:00 PM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

Movie time..... 8 hour download...tis better be a good one

Serenity Now, Serenity Now.... :)

8/26/2006 07:25:00 PM  
Blogger DeDJeZTeR said...

Jayne! The man they call Jayne!
Oh he robbed from the rich and he gave to the poor
Stood up to the man and he gave them what for
Our love for him ain't hard to explain
The hero of CANTON, the man they Call Jayne

Our Jayne saw the mudders backs breakin'
He saw the mudders lament
And he saw the magistrate takin'
every dollar and leavin' five cents

So he said " you can't do that to my people"
Said "You can't crush them under your heel"
So Jayne strapped on his hat and in five seconds flat
Stole everything boss Higgins had to steal

Mow here is what seperates heroes from common folk like you and I
The man they call Jayne, he turned round his plane and let the money hit the sky
He dropped onto our houses
He dropped it into our yards
The man they call Jayne, he stole away our pain
And headed out for the starrrrrrrrrsssssss

SO do I officially get my nerd stripes now... lol

8/26/2006 07:37:00 PM  
Blogger tonilost said...

twinkle, I have no clue why they think it's believable that Rachel would be involved in the candy production, let alone that it's supposed to be undercover but there we are putting are pics up for the evil doers to see. At this point it's mindless fun, and eventually we'll see the original orientation vid and maybe how/why Hanso aged so much from that till the UN speech. I think for them to throw out there that Rachel is Alvar's kid is why they had to make him not so ancient. My emails to Dj Dan might have had something to do with that, lol, I told him Rachels mom liked wrinkly ol man arse, all I could think of was the Bunny chicks and Hefner, ewwww.

8/26/2006 07:37:00 PM  
Blogger tonilost said...

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8/26/2006 07:38:00 PM  
Blogger DeDJeZTeR said...

Tonilost and twinkle,
I agree with the why would Frachel be involved... but when a pic is rejected from WIA.com it comes with a message telling you it is inapprpriate, and it is signed...
Rachel
Oh and you can't reply back to ask why it is inappropriate... that sucks

8/26/2006 07:42:00 PM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

Serenity - first 10 min, review WOW!!

The brain probe has me thinking about the head scars I have noted at my blog ,here
http://users.newblog.com/thinbluemime/?post_id=4314
and here
http://users.newblog.com/thinbluemime/?post_id=3994
for starters.

Back tomorrow, niters everyone!!

8/26/2006 07:42:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

ded: You are amazing!! LOL!

toni: Good way of putting it. Mindless fun. Best not too look too closely and hope they come up with a good story.

TBM: Enjoy your movie!

8/26/2006 07:48:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

TBM: Headscars! Freaky!

8/26/2006 07:53:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Go, Ryan! New Life!

8/26/2006 08:12:00 PM  
Blogger Rich said...

twinkle:Do you happen to like really bad jokes too? Cuz I got a doozy of a blog and love other people's submissions: lostyourhumor.blogspot.com. (ok, last plug for today :-)


Yeah, I saw that, and I have to admit, some were amusing, while others, I was thinking, "Huh?".

8/26/2006 08:24:00 PM  
Blogger capcom said...

Admin; It would be awesome to be able to continue this entertaining community of conversation after TLE is over and done with. I myself have no one to talk to about watching Lost in my social circle. I agree that most other forums are too harsh and annoying most of the time, and waste too much space rambling on about non sequiturs and off-topics. Although I do enjoy reading the personal quips from our contributers here, amid the Lost subjects. It would be great it you could make that happen for us all. :-)

8/26/2006 08:26:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

rich: Yeah, my humor does that to people. ;-) Feel free to point out the bad ones and/or make suggestions! I'm new to the making up my own jokes thing.

8/26/2006 08:29:00 PM  
Blogger Howard said...

Hi all

I know this wasaddressed on another comments page, so I apologize. I finally up loaded my pic to WIA andd got the "Only on submission a day" e-mail from Rachel. Since it was my first time submitting, I don';t get it. Did we ever figure out what the problem was (other than the obvious answer that TPTB have no idea what they are doing)?

Thanks
Howard

8/26/2006 08:36:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

DeD -

LMAOwms; funny about Adam Baldwin... he made it on the scene around the same time as Alec, BUT the film, My Bodyguard, will always be a STRONGer image in my brain. Looking forward to seeing what happens with Alec starring in the new Tina Fey / Lorne Michaels comedy, 30 Rock, but LMAO anyways...

Toni- what time are you in BP with the neighborhood kids... you live downtown? I may convince who I'm with to head down there, but considering Time Square is my front yard and Central Park in the back... it's SO inexpensive to stay in my neighborhood!! I just spent more than a few bucks sending bars to Ireland, Oregon & Canada...

8/26/2006 09:03:00 PM  
Blogger Patrick said...

David- I think they're calling you gay just cuz they're jealous that TLEC is the BEST @#$@#%@% LOST SITE ON THE WHOLE $#@#$@#$@ PLANET!

In other news, today was one of the slowest experience days ever. period. and also, i think that the KKK is behind the Hanso Foundation. Check out the picture of the alone oracle apollo bar, the 3rd, 4th, and 5th letters are KKK.

8/26/2006 09:08:00 PM  
Blogger Patrick said...

howard-- tons of this flash stuff is glitchy, they'll notice it and fix it eventually.

8/26/2006 09:09:00 PM  
Blogger Benito said...

Just to let everyone know, I was post 242 on savejoop.com. David rocks, peace out.

8/26/2006 09:15:00 PM  
Blogger DharmaChick said...

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8/26/2006 09:22:00 PM  
Blogger DharmaChick said...

Howard -- the same exact thing happened to me. The following morning in the wee hours I got an email saying that it had posted, and there it was. So there's nothing that you did incorrectly, and there shouldn't be anything that you have to do to remedy this, it's just some wierd glitch.


...and I'm off to attempt sleep earlier tonight.
No sleep leads to posts riddled with typos...

8/26/2006 09:29:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

DeD-

LOVE your picture of you and your HUGE Apollo bar... did you shrink yourself like Mike TeeVee or what? Can't believe it was accepted by WIA.com and then later removed... WTF?!!?

http://www.drkdesign.com/cluesmb/viewtopic.php?p=7339#7339

8/26/2006 10:12:00 PM  
Blogger Carol said...

1. How does Apollo Candy fit into the plot? What will happen when we get enough Golden Tickets? Will we get the answer to "Where is Alvar" and if so, how?

re the "find out more at the giveaways"... they've only been giving the choc, so unless there was supposed to be something else happening but hasn't, it seems all we are supposed to get from it is the "whereisalvar.com" site. I think Apollo is involved simply as a means for Rachel to subvert THF (remove the bad things they put in it and put the website on it maybe?) to contact a bunch of people. I think when enough Golden Tickets, sorry... Golden Oracles have been posted on there we will get some form of communication from Alvar. I think this ties into the DJDan podcast and the message Malik... I think by now Rachel and Alvar have been in touch and I don't know if they have met in person or what... but I suspect we will get a video of Alvar that is recent, from within the last few weeks. But with any luck we won't have to piece this one together...

2. We've been promised the "meaning of the numbers". What do we speculate that will be?

I think they will be constants in the VE... but I won't be surprised if they are not :D

3. If there was to be one big twist in the plot what would it be?

something noone has thought of... or something people have dismissed as too outlandish :D I really hope it isn't something people have picked right from the start, but you never know.

4. What will be the final fate of Rachel Blake?

good question. I know most people think she is a relative of Alvar, especially after ComicCon, but maybe he simply played a key role in her life that brought her to where she is today. And once this game is said and done... why can't she be on the show in some completely unrelated role? We don't have to pretend any more... we don't have to suspend that disbelief... it's just like any other actor in another role... even those who play different roles on the same show :-P But... you know... I don't know that she will end up on the show other than as some minor flashback character as an in-joke for TLE players. But her fate... I wouldn't mind her being killed off, but it would have to be done really well... she takes one for Alvar who really is a good person that was over-shadowed by the evil Mittelwerk? I don't think we are going to get a happily ever after though.

8/26/2006 10:54:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

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8/26/2006 11:08:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

NI-ice, Lavenda,

If that contact we had from IronMan, W.Malik, was real, then he was trying to get Rachel & Hanso together...

Could the end of this glyph and golden oracle (a person or agency considered to be a source of wise counsel or prophetic opinion; an infallible authority, usually spiritual in nature. It can also be a prediction of the re, from the gods, that is spoken through another object or life-form) hunt mean that enough people are involved who will witness the next step, Act V of this journey and "a" big reveal including the 2006 image of Alvar Hanso (not dressed in a get-up from a previous war-torn era) may be seen and we can all look forward to a resolution of what is happening in the future of the "island/Hanso" story which will almost be like having something to look forward to... HOW will we progress in the future of LOST through a storyline that could EVENTUALLY connect with what we now know?

8/26/2006 11:12:00 PM  
Blogger minipulator said...

Rufio, I had the exact same idea a while ago. See:
http://lost-theories.com/theories/2006/jun/08/numbers-and-valenzetti-equatio/
for details. It's kind of cool to hear she came up with the same theory independantly, because I've never heard it anywhere else before.

8/26/2006 11:15:00 PM  
Blogger Abby said...

Couldn't sleep tonight. Worried about packing tomorrow. So I did some searching and as of 2:05 am in NYC djdan.am is down. The site is down.

8/27/2006 01:15:00 AM  
Blogger s1n said...

Lol david dude, I don't know when the last time u were a teenage boy, but nowadays "[so-and-so] is gay" is more like an insult than a comment on your sexual orientation. it's stupid, you should just ignore it. besides, those people are gay ;)

PS: you and your podcast rock. internet trolls need to get a life

PPS: it's T-LEC! (tee-lec)

8/27/2006 01:27:00 AM  
Blogger Abby said...

Ok. Abby again. Still can't sleep. but as of 2:35 AM NYC time, djdan.am is back up and running again.

8/27/2006 01:40:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

Administrator said. "I do want to give Matt the Pale some credit for helping me come up with the questions when we chatted the other night. Thanks Matt...Look forward to having you on the podcast sometime soon."

I'm sorry that I missed you earlier today David -- next time just e-mail me and make sure we have a set time for the recording, and I'll be there. In the meantime, I've listened to the podcast, and I will think of some other things to talk about in addition to what we already discussed.

8/27/2006 02:55:00 AM  
Blogger Felix Felicis said...

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8/27/2006 06:17:00 AM  
Blogger Felix Felicis said...

Has anybody noticed that the percentage counter on WIA seems to be rising with no relation to the number of bars found?

8/27/2006 06:25:00 AM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

Hello Hello TLEC commenters!

It's my BIRTHDAY!

27 on the 27th.

MAGIC Birthday.

GOLDEN BIRTHDAY.

Woo-hoo!

(worship me)

8/27/2006 07:09:00 AM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Morning all

Wouldn't suprise me if the % counter was just going up based on time rather then bars found. But I've not been paying that close attention. Anyone been taking notes?

Anyway, my responses to the podcast questions:

1) I'm guessing, given the name of the site, the reveal must be something to do with Alvar Hanso. I don't think it will have anything to do with the chocolate bars themselves unless it's in relation to what was discussed in sign language (i.e. Mittelwerk tried to put his compound into the bars but got sussed, so it could be about whatever that compound was for (the "vaccine"?). Personally I think this stage is just a gimmick, so the reveal is just being held back until we finish the gimick off and getting the bars themselves (especially the oracle bars) will be meaningless. It's got to be the lead on from Malicks message on the live DJ Dan podcast. I.E. Rachel meeting Alvar.

2) I'm sticking with my theory that they are the only constants in the Valencetti equation. I'm sure a lot of people are still in the answers camp and while it may seem more glamerous I think the question camp is the one that makes more sense. Now the reason for them being the constants could actually be quite interesting. It would tie in with pushing the button every 108 minutes. Of course maybe the numbers are kind of the question and the answer. If you imagine there to be periods of time where the destiny of mankind can be effected and pushing the button keeps it on a non-destructive course, but only in such a way as winding back the countdown on the end of the world, it never stops the end of the world just postpones it. But maybe the sequence could only be activated when the countdown until the end of the world was some other combination of the numbers. Having said that, my brother pointed out that the button isn't pushed at precisely 108 minutes every time. So I don't know.

But anyway, saying the numbers are the answer or the question doesn't actually tell us what the numbers are or indeed their whole significance. I still say if they are nothing but the numbers that happened to be achieved in the calculation as a countdown from that point in time when Valencetti first did the equation, then there is nothign magical or indeed currently significant about the numbers. Similarly if they are constants in the equation then the big question is still WHY. Personally I'm not sure we will get the full significance of the numbers but my personal guess (i.e. what I think would be cool) is for it to be something to do with points of time in which you can influence the future (i.e. Destiny).

3) Well this difficult. Certainly the big theory that seems to be going around pretty much since the start (or at least by Act 2) is that Rachel is the bad guy and Mittelwerk is good. I don't think that's likely. But the obvious plot twist that Alvar is Rachels father is a bit too obvious to be the only plot twist for my liking. So my theory is that the plot twist will involve either the function of the origional Lost Island and it's current state, or to do with the Valencetti equation itself and the end of the world. Possibly both. I've always said that I felt that the equation was essentially a road map to either causing or preventing the end of the world and if that control can be had from the centre of the Dharma initiative then it could be that the power to end or save the world has mistakenly fallen into the hands of the Losties and that power is still active. We could be watching our favorite castaways stumbling around knowing that they could stumble their way to destroying the world. But anyway, I don't think there will be any big plot twists involving Rachel. She may have been related to people off the origional Island, she may be Alvars daughter or grandaughter and she may have been genetically altered as part of a hanso experiment. But none of that would be really suprising by now. Nor would the vaccine being nanites for that matter.

4) Well now this is about the only place they could give us an RB plot twist. I.E. Kill her off. Which will no doubt get some applauds and is therefore somethign I would find unlikely as it wouldn't be the reaction they would want (then agan maybe they weren't expecting the Rachating). I also think that the "Rachel Love interest" casting call was a Red Herring and so I don't expect her to go off into the sunset with our favorite IT guy/Assasin. What I suspect is that there will be some kind of continued fight or responsibility she will have to continue to fufil probably at some sacrifice to herself.

I guess a lot of my POVs are based around the assumption that I don't expect this to totally conclude. Sure they have to sort out the main things, find Alvar, probably take down Mittelwerk, but as Dave was just taking over from Alvar to begin with there is no reaosn the big Hanso/Widmore/Valencetti thing to be concluded especially with it's relevence to the series.

Alternative (non-serious) Theories:

1) Rachel has got a "fat" complex, and so is trying to get all the women involved in fighting Hanso to put on weight by the consumption of chocolate bars so she can feel better about her self. The chocolate is of course extra fattening.

2) It's periods of time between when Rachel eats a doughnut. See it couldn't be chocolate because then she'd eat her own product and ruin evil scheme no.1

3) Speaker is Rachel Blake - I mean you've seen how much weight he's put on right?

4) She decides she really does like chocolate, gorges herself on her own bars and get's stuck in a door.

8/27/2006 07:09:00 AM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Oh yeah, thanks Admin (& Ryandrums) for giving me something to actually DISCUSS! Lol. :) Haven't done an enormous post for a while.

8/27/2006 07:16:00 AM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Ohh and Happy Birthday Kristin!

(worship)

there you go. Have a good one.

8/27/2006 07:20:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY to you KB! Woohoo!

Fenris Wrote:...if that control can be had from the centre of the Dharma initiative then it could be that the power to end or save the world has mistakenly fallen into the hands of the Losties and that power is still active.
I HOPE that isn't the case or that I am wrong in some of my theories. I can't stand the idea that the fate of the entire world rests in the hands of some guy pushing a button on an abandoned island in the middle of nowhere!

Also, The Unanswered Questions Thread updated (again) to incorporate David's final four questions. Check it out, and post if you want anything added or feel something has been answered.

Unasnwered Questions

8/27/2006 08:09:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Fenris: I agree that the Numbers or the power to end or save the world is finished on the island. Also I too expect some mysteries to be unresolved at the end of the ARG.

As for plot twists, we knew about hansoexposed before it became active. They did the whole Mel0Drama sign language thing to let us know about the URL on the chocolate bar when we already knew about that and had guessed what it was. We're finding glyphs before they're released. The Sri Lanka video isn't giving us much new so far except confirming that they're using an engineered virus for something. And even that we'd guessed at.

These pieces were pre-determined earlier in the ARG and aren't adapting for the stuff we've figured out. I have little confidence that anything they'll reveal will be shocking or something we haven't discussed. We're just too good.

I hope I'm wrong.

8/27/2006 08:29:00 AM  
Blogger linklane said...

Just noticed something looking at WIA xml stats, of the 7 oracles, 6 have been in the UK and 1 in the US.

And I saw and talked to the Indiana_Josh at the Indy event after he got that oracle bar. I encouraged him to get that bar registered on WIA.

My guess, there are a lot of oracle bars in the US ending up eaten and the wrappers discarded.

8/27/2006 08:32:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

re numbers / Valenzetti
I have no idea how the numbers could relate to the Valenzetti equation but what has been bugging me is that TWM speaks of mathematical certainty in relation to the possibility of ending all famine, war, and poverty.
So Valenzetti predicts the end of the world with mathematical certainty, and Mittelwerk says he knows with mathematical certainty that the world can be saved.
A mathematical formula of that nature would contain a variety of constants and variables. Looks like Mittelwerk knows how to change the variables in mankind's favour? But that would make him the good guy, right? My theory: TWM is trying to do the right thing using the wrong means.

8/27/2006 09:00:00 AM  
Blogger Nai said...

For those of you who are looking for today's NYC Apollo bars they're at Albany and West St. They'll be there till 1 pm. Bring a BAG.

8/27/2006 09:16:00 AM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Link - Yeah, the UK distribution has at least avoided the mass releasing of bars to the oblivious public. Save for a few no doubt muched by Forbidden Planet employees and the odd mad guy that walks into shops saying random words and happens to say "Rachel Blake" (probably right before he announces "Cuckoo!" to the world), the bars have headed straight to the ARGonites (hehe). In the US they've been traded for ice creams, given away to people doing fantasy football draws and probably thrown into the streets to aid some gangsta's get away from overweight police officers (okay I made that one up). They probably should have stuck with the codeword plan universally, but too late for that now.

Oddles - That kinda fits in with what I theorized about the idea of effecting the variables in the equation to find a way to avoid the end of the world. Dave has the power to either stop, or create the end of the world and things are so hush hush my suspicion is those working for him think he's doing the former and he's actually doing the later (with a backup plan to save himself of course).

Twinkle - You are probably right. But we can always hope for some kind of "woah!" moment at least.

Ange - Once again, that unanswered questions thread rocks. They had something similar at the fuselage and even though I haven't posted there since the end of Season 1, I do go back and check it. That kind of thing is dead useful.

Right I'm off until much much later today. Have fun all. :)

8/27/2006 09:20:00 AM  
Blogger bolddoyler said...

"are you one of the good ones?" - Easter Egg,

"We are the good guys" - Mr Niceguy.

What if THF's research has discovered a method of identifying persons who are genetically predesposed to oh... I dunno good or evil, violence etc... Could MVM be designing a biochemical weapon to wipe out the "bad guys" and offering "Precise Genetic targets" the cure? I know there has been discussion about Mittelwerk bringing about the apocolypse and re creating it to siut himself. this would fit in with his belief that he is "saving the world"

8/27/2006 09:22:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Morning all!! Feeling better!! YAY!!!

Happy Birthday Kristen!!!!

Fenris - It was nice to see a long post by you, haven't in sometime!!! I agree!!!

DedJezter - It is awesome to have you back in full force on the blog.

Me - I wish I had more to add!!!

Team Lena - I will be in touch with you sometime today to record my part for your podcast!!! Promise!!!

8/27/2006 09:40:00 AM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

hi everyone
guess we are waiting for the next release....zzzzzzzzzz

8/27/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger HereAndThere said...

I am 99% sure it's just my computer... but it is being weird and not loading ANY in-game sites, yet it loads EVERY out of game ones...

8/27/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger AmbientBlu said...

So I just got back from the Times Square giveaway about an hour ago. I was up at 5:30 this morning to make it to the city in time to be one of the first to accost the Apollo distributors (talk about dedication).

I met up with Marcus around 7:10 and together we hit as many Apollo people as we could find. Dharmachick joined us not too long after and we had a nice leisurely walk around the city. I'd brought my mom along so we could spend some time together (and so she could snag me some bars too, of course) and between the both of us, we were able to get 26 bars ... yes, 26. The distributors were handing them out like ... well, like candy. After I take a much needed nap, I'll be signing up for the trade for anyone in need of a bar.

It was actually kind of fun wandering around the city tracking down candy bars!

8/27/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger Christine#2 said...

good job ambientblu, times square is a fun place!

8/27/2006 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

Happy bday, k.barrick!

On a vaguely related note: anyone know anything about the Chicago giveaway? The date has disappeared from the Apollocandy.com site again...

8/27/2006 10:18:00 AM  
Blogger Nai said...

How can I sign up for the trade center for the candybars? I have at least 20 and I'm going to go get more while I'm out this afternoon.

8/27/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Happy Birthday, k.barrick! 27 on the 27th!

Ambienblue: Thanks for the info on the Times Square giveaway. It must be fun to meet up with fellow TLECers! I guess there were no Golden Oracles yet.

Having been gone for 3 weeks, I'm just beginning to grasp the significance behind these Apollo giveaways. I'm planning on going to the Sept. 16th Santa Monica one. Rachel must have a big "exposing THF" budget to manufacture candy bars and promote them everywhere! LOL I'm a little perplexed re the significance of the WIA site, though.

8/27/2006 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger BarbaraJay said...

Just got my VIP pass for the Washington DC ESPN giveaway, 9/7. My daughter Becca and I will be there early wearing Lost-related shirts. Looking forward to meeting fellow TLEers.

8/27/2006 11:06:00 AM  
Blogger Patrick said...

how do you get a pass?

8/27/2006 11:55:00 AM  
Blogger DharmaChick said...

It was really great to meet you, AmbientBlu!
Marcus and Oroku, good to see you again, it was rainy (again) but fun.

I got back just a little while ago, as I went down to Battery Park, too, to meet up with some friends there.

There were crowds, of course, for the marathon, and EVERYONE had bars.

It was kind of discouraging because there were wrappers and uneaten bars in garbage cans (and the streets, naughty litterbugs!)...

Here's a pic that I took of one: http://tinyurl.com/l7tyh

...and that was just ONE bin. :( I felt terrible when I saw that, knowing how many people don't have bars! Plus it is frustrating, because you just know that at least one of the Golden Oracles was in one of those bins.

The most frustrating thing is that I saw someone in Times Square who walked away with what I'm fairly sure was an oracle bar, but I didn't realize it until she was too far away in a crowd.

The problem is that there are a TON of these free handout type things in nyc. Most people are annoyed by them and pay them no attention, which I saw happening a lot in Times Square.

8/27/2006 12:00:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

can't listen to podcasts. keeps stopping a couple minutes into it. :((

8/27/2006 12:02:00 PM  
Blogger superdifey said...

Am very happily in possession of 3 Apollo Bars! Went into the Forbidden Planet store in London, but they were being very strict and only handing out one per person. So I sent my husband and 4 yr old son in after me to get another 2!! Am very excited!!!

8/27/2006 12:03:00 PM  
Blogger BarbaraJay said...

Patrick, the registration for the DC event is here:

http://abclocal.go.com/promotions/ntvs/ntvs_acuraTech06/splash.html

Answer "yes" to all of the survey questions except "I prefer to spend most of my time at home" to increase the chance of getting a VIP pass.

Hope to see you there.

8/27/2006 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger cestdupropre said...

I don't wanna be a burden, but I am french, and because I will go in NYC only in november, how could I get one of these apollo candy ??
Please ! Lhorse have you any idea ?

8/27/2006 01:22:00 PM  
Blogger Ange said...

cestdupropre-Go to the main page and click on the link for missmegs Apollo trade blogspot. Sign up for a bar, and someone will send you one. It is right on The Lost Experinece Clues front page below the title banner.

8/27/2006 01:50:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

FOR PEOPLE NEEDING TO GET A VIP PASS FOR THE ACURA EVENTS---

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS LIKE OTHERS HAVE SAID

AND

CHECK THE BOX FOR "MORE INFO FROM ACURA" AT THE BOTTOM OF THE QUESTIONAIRE. YOU WILL (i'm 99% positive) GET A VIP PASS THIS WAY.

8/27/2006 01:53:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Happy Birthday, Kristen!

Maven said: Rachel must have a big "exposing THF" budget to manufacture candy bars and promote them everywhere! LOL I'm a little perplexed re the significance of the WIA site, though.

Aren't we all!

wv:plnaiik - Your cousin, Nai? Did you get how to sign up for the swap?

8/27/2006 02:01:00 PM  
Blogger DeDJeZTeR said...

*****This may have spoilers for season 2, not sure where the other countries are*****





Hey, has anyone thought of the possibility that when TWM says that it is obvious that the Dharma initiative fail that he is in actuality speaking in response to the Hatch blowing up.


Maybe the Hatch being destroyed by Desmond with Kelvin's magic key was the very thing that set TWM master plan into effect. This is just my opinion but that is what I think happened. When the Hatch blew and the Island appeared on the plain of our dimension (or whatever it did to make it visible, EM pulse or something) That it only appeared for a little while. The guys in the Arctic made reference to the blip having been seen before. Most likely when Desmond failed to hit the button the last time, and crashed the plane. The Hanso foundation saw this blip as well since they actually knew where the island was located. This started the process of what to do if it fails (they knew it didn't since the island went invisible again) and start planning for it. Then the Island goes postal and reappears again when it blows, leading it to become visible again and actually shows evidence of going totally postal.. They then go into this frantic search for the island and start the process of doing what ever they can to fix the problem before its to late, and this process has been going on this entire time. All the projects they have been working on are almost ready for implementation but they need to figure out the last bits of info and do some stage three human testing to see if their work will really save the world in the end. All the while they are trying to figure out the equation because Alvar is the only one who knows what it is and he is in hiding, dead, or even cryogenically frozen.

They need they equation because as long as the Hatch was there it was doing it's thing and the world was safe, now it's gone and they not only need to make a new one, but they need to figure out the equation and train people in what to do with it. The Sri Lanken island is just another location that had been planned for the original Dharma experiment and the only one that THF could locate and start anew. The only problem is that this island has a population on it. The infected in this population could have any number of medical problems and they use this knowledge to go in and actually give them a virus that will wipe them all out, the genetic targets are the people on this new island who are most easily infected by this virus they will unleash on them and also the most likely to spread it on to others with in the social community.

With all the villagers dead they can swoop in and do there thing from the safety of their quarantined ship, build their new Hatch and continue to save the world in the way they happen to think is the best way to do it.

JMHO, but hey you never know.

And Happy Birthday Kristen.

DeDJeZTeR ----- Wheeeeew that was long

8/27/2006 02:11:00 PM  
Blogger DeDJeZTeR said...

K.Barrick,

I got one for the New York Event and did not select any of the extra info stuff, so I am not sure you have to do that part to get it.

8/27/2006 02:13:00 PM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

DeDJeZTeR, that's an interesting idea, but I don't see it as being especially likely given that the game was made for a world-wide audience and thus should not be referencing events from episodes not yet aired in all places where Lost is shown.

Note, however, this does not mean that you are wrong! Given all the errors made on the behalf of TPTB (including that mysterious diappearing Chicago date - again, ANYONE know ANYTHING about that?), it would not at all surprise me for something as unfair and foolish as this to be part of the storyline.

Man, I don't know whether to ;) or :( here.

8/27/2006 02:20:00 PM  
Blogger oodles said...

dharmachick,
your pic of the bars in the bin is heart-breaking to any of us players... sigh
So many of us are going so much out of our way and some are going way out of their way for others who can't get there in the first place!
Hurray for the British system - no wonder they have yielded most of the oracle bars!
And in any case, I can't STAND seeing FOOD being thrown away. Arrogance of the affluent western world.
Grrrr...

8/27/2006 02:33:00 PM  
Blogger capcom said...

Happy Sunday T-LECrs. I have some confusion about why TWM thinks that he can do a better job than the D.I. at the world-saving task, but perhaps that is only because we do not know the reason that the D.I. went all to heck eventually, as the situation on the island shows in the series. But still, I can't help thinking that (so far to our knowledge) TWM himself seems oblivious to the possiblility of the Chaos variable (didn't TWM see Jurasic Park?!) happening to his plan as well. He seems extrememly confident that if everyone follows his plan to the letter (assuming that everyone will), that nothing can go wrong with his version of the cure for the equation prediction. JMHO.

8/27/2006 02:37:00 PM  
Blogger superdifey said...

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, for the UK TLECers, The Other Girl is asking people to email her with the location of their nearest city, for something that will become significant soon.
Sounds interesting....

8/27/2006 02:42:00 PM  
Blogger oodles said...

Interesting theories Dedjezter,
but I would quibble with the 'wipe-out the local population theory'. SE Asia is very densely populated and if the Sri Lankan island is where I think it is, (http://www.fallingrain.com/world/CE/31/Vallan.html) such a horrible deed would not go undetected.
I have also wondered whether the Dharma Initiative 'failed' in 2004. But looking at our Losties' island I would think that it failed earlier. The Others did not seem too bothered by the whole electromagnetic pulse thing. They were acting like someone who lives in a low-flying military zone - "just cover your ears, it'll be over shortly", like they are almost used to it or at least they must have known exactly what's going on and thus I guess they have experienced the blast before.

8/27/2006 02:43:00 PM  
Blogger superdifey said...

I forgot to ask - for anyone who tried to upload the photo onto WIA and got the message from Rachel saying only one photo in 24 hrs - did it work the next time you tried it the next day?

8/27/2006 02:44:00 PM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

Capcom, it's my guess that chaos that is what's making TWM want to act now. Enough of however many variables in the equation are right to the point where, by acting at a specified time in a particular way and with great precision, THF can actually make it all happen. This is the "hastening" I've been talking about for a week or two now: they're manipulating reality to make the VE *right* when they know they can do so, and thus do it in a semi-controlled manner and have as little negative impact as possible, thus somehow saving the world from poverty, famine, etc. Of course, this "minimal bad stuff" approach does not mean that the number of victims/casualties will be small, but rather, will be small compared to allowing things to run their course naturally.

8/27/2006 02:45:00 PM  
Blogger HereAndThere said...

I kinda have a theory on the wia.com consiracy haha, if that's what you want to call it (I do). But, if you've noticed (I hope it's not just me) wia.com doesn't update for hours at a time but how can that be if people are constantly updating their pictures!?!?! It's a public thing and I don't see every single person saying "okay, every six hours we will post but not in between that time". I think this part was destined to last so long and at the rate people were getting Apollo bars (Europe people because the America one is not as fun I think :-\) it was throwing TPTB off. At first it seemed like like it was going faster. Also, every day it goes up 3-4%, so that's why I think it's destined to last so long. Oh, I got a little off track and forgot what I was going to put. But what I was going to say next is that that is why I think people are getting emails saying they can't post more than once in 24 hours. If everyone posted when they got the opportunity, TPTB would lose their controll over the game and that would not be cool for them.

8/27/2006 02:52:00 PM  
Blogger capcom said...

N.I.K., that's a good thought. I agree that TWMs immediacy in rushing the project now is, to him, crucial to making it happen and making it work once and for all. But TWM must also be ignoring good ol' Benjamin's saying that "haste makes waste". :-) For us viewers/gamers, the missing variable is still WHY the D.I. failed on the first try. I am dying to know the answer to that, and I hope that S-3 will reveal some of that to us.

8/27/2006 02:53:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

oodles:

***Possible season 2 spoilers***

Thanks for the link to the possible island. If the Others were used to the electomagnetic thing, it would explain Fenry's flippancy about it to Locke. I think they made it clear in the show that entering the numbers allowed the system to vent some of the electromagnetic charge to prevent some kind of event. But the big blast didn't seem that bad of a thing to prevent. My questions about the numbers and the Hatch are, what happened so that some point in time they had to start entering the numbers to leak energy slowly? Why did they choose the numbers related to the Valenzetti equation? Why didn't they set up a computer program to do it automatically?

I also want to chat with someone about the episode Dave. But I'm going to wait for interest and go ahead since it could be spoiler material for some. UK, AUS, and US have all seen the episode Dave as of last week, but I want to talk about it in light of the season finale. Anybody interested? Anybody think it's best to wait?

Finally, TVM is playing God, thinking he can choose what are acceptable casualties in order to end poverty, war, and famine. The ends do not justify the means, TVM. Maybe I'm starting to feel as disgusted by him as Rachel.

8/27/2006 02:54:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

(meaning as Rachel is disgusted by him)

8/27/2006 02:55:00 PM  
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8/27/2006 02:57:00 PM  
Blogger JoAnn said...

dharmachick.... I hope the picture you posted with all those Apollo Bars and wrappers in the trash makes it to TPTB!! Let them see what a mistake their way of giving out the bars has been, especially when there are sooooo many that live too far away from a distrubution site!! So many that really want them can't get them. They should have at least had some sort of request by mail deal.

Grrrrrr!!!

8/27/2006 02:59:00 PM  
Blogger capcom said...

Hereandthere, I think you may have something there. The W.I.A. could very well be artifically slowed down by TPTB. The fulfilling of the percentage could definitely trigger the next step and if they have the timing planned out, it wouldn't be good for TPTB if we finished before they planned it out. :-( They certainly underestimated the players/fans then, if they thought that it would take us a long time to do a project as simple as retrieving an object and plugging it into the program. :-D

8/27/2006 03:00:00 PM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

Capcom, given the spoilers that we've gotten about major story archs for S3, I'm pretty sure that's where we're going to be getting our answer. The backstory stuff revealed in the game fills in small details but raises bigger questions about what happened between the launch of the DI and the "present" of the show chronology, and, IMHO, this component of the game material is the run-up to the new season. This TWM-centric intrigue stuff probably won't figure in to the story anywhere near as much, if it all.

8/27/2006 03:02:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Then that means they don't want us to get all the bars, only a small percentage and they won't be bothered by them in the trash. :-(

8/27/2006 03:03:00 PM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

I agree with the notion that TPTB are artificially slowing things down. Given the size of the ARG community and the comparatively large number of bars being distrubted, we have *no way* of saying, "Oh, but we know X many bars were given out today, and we've gotten X% of those, so now it's time for some answers!" I'm beginning to think, more and more, that the real key to this stunt...er, phase of the game is having a substantial unknown somewhere in the ten to hundred thousands and using that to delay progress for as long as TPTB think are necessary. All you glyph-finders must be perceived as too skillful or something...

8/27/2006 03:05:00 PM  
Blogger capcom said...

Oh boy N.I.K., hope you're correct! This TWM thing is great, but I'm anxious to know what's going to go on with the show more.

8/27/2006 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

Damn right, twinkle. TPTB aren't concerned with the waste, and that's just one more reason to find out where they work and commence with the red paint flinging. ;)

8/27/2006 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger LucyBob said...

Evening everyone... going to go get my appollo bar on tuesday in London but I was jw, can u actually eat these bars?! Im scared they might kill me :(
Maybe im just a paranoid dumb blonde :)

8/27/2006 03:10:00 PM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

Of course I'm right. If I'm not, they've gone to the extra expense of hiring a slightly more experienced actor to play AH, produced an orientation film stylistically consistent with the previous orientation films, and implied that, for THF personnel, knowing the reasons behind the failure of the DI is a given and doesn't need to be addressed between them...uh, all for nothing. *phew*

8/27/2006 03:10:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

I'm trying to hold on to my love for the authors of Lost and TLE by blaming the current atmosphere on the marketers they put in charge. That would explain in the shift in treatment of fans. I think Speaker, Other Girl, and Ninja see what's happening and feel our pain. Damon, Carlton, Javi et al would too, but they're hopefully busy now getting ready for Season #3.

It's like who takes care of your Ferrair better, the owner or his hired hand?

N.I.K.: That's a great idea that this is all just set up for explaining the failure of the DI in the show.

8/27/2006 03:17:00 PM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

Didn't mention it above, but I point out the actor thing because all the other ARG actors range from wretched to passable in terms of their respective portrayals. Decided difference in quality. Most of the ARG stuff was probably shot quickly as it's highly disposable.

The orientation film, by contrast, seems like a more carefully coordinated effort. I'm now wondering if this wasn't first produced for screening in the show and then got incorporated into the game as an afterthought. The flubs/errors would be the result from years of wear from play and deterioration of the film stock. I would guess that any copy THF had in-house would be better cared for and thus the transfer would be cleaner. Of course, they'd already processed the footage for the show, so why bother trying to make a second copy look similarly old but not as damaged when it would just be for the ARG over the summer?

8/27/2006 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

That's *Ferrari*

8/27/2006 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

Twinkle, that idea is based off the fact that we've already been told we're not going to get extremely important info about the show in the game. Thus far, we haven't. Just details that further a few minor points, but not much regarding any events that have happened on the island, the various "incidents" alluded to in certain places in the show, the history of the Others, or any of that other stuff which would be essential information for the show. Makes sense that we shouldn't get such from the game, too: we'd either be bored when it'd get revealed on the show, or people who didn't play the game would have to be confused.

8/27/2006 03:21:00 PM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

David and Ryan,

Thanks so much for the podcast! I personally loved it! So sorry there are idiots in the world who post such immature stuff about you David. Undeserved in more than one way LOL

YOU ROCK DAVID!

PS, you inspired a new skit in my podcast. Cant tell anyone yet, but I will tell ya when its up.

8/27/2006 03:22:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Yeah, we should get info from the ARG that others just watching the show wouldn't care to know specifics about. We may not get much but at least we've gotten more over a break than anybody else watching any other show, even if we did have to put up with adverts.

8/27/2006 03:24:00 PM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

Yeah! So take that ye...casual tv watchin' jackanapes! ;P

8/27/2006 03:26:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Of course some of those casual watchers may have accomplished something this summer other than the ability to hit F5 with their eyes closed. ;-)

8/27/2006 03:30:00 PM  
Blogger oodles said...

re WIH.com
Their numbers seem to indicate that 4000 = 100%.
They probably manufactured 40.000 hoping that one in ten would be entered on the website. The 24hr rule is there in order to even out the opportunity for each person to get their picture up, given that the distribution events will go on for a while yet. Also, they probably want as many pics of different individuals as possible, rather than 20 shots of one person.
I'd also hazard a guess that we will get some info from Rachel when there are 100 and 200 golden oracles respectively. Mind you TPTB might have to revise that figure given that there is a total of ONE US oracle bars entered so far.
And yes, I agree that Lost Ninja and Speaker seem to share our disappointment. I love Speaker, he has such a sweet sense of humour!

8/27/2006 03:39:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

So anybody here want to talk about the Dave episode? I've only got a few minutes so I can save it for later too.

8/27/2006 03:41:00 PM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

All I can say about "Dave" is that it's either A) a bad episode or B) is a really good episode that will only be viewed as such once we get some additonal information explaining the strange nature of hallucinations on the island, such as how they can all be so individual-specific but also realized/materialized enough to where they can, say, hit Losties with coconuts.

8/27/2006 03:44:00 PM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

Oh, and there's also the twist reveal at the end, but we know that'll be dealt with somehow, and so I don't tend to count it myself. Seems like a tacked-on throw-away that could've been worked into any Hurley flashback in the, uh, right locale.

8/27/2006 03:46:00 PM  
Blogger tonilost said...

Dharma chick, I cant believe there are all those unopened bars in there, where was that, in TS? do you think it was the people hired to give them out, because it seemed they only had to do it till they gave them all away. who'd throw out candy? with all the homeless, couldnt they at least give it away, seems wierd to me.I never saw anyone do that with chocolate it's blasphemy!

8/27/2006 03:47:00 PM  
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8/27/2006 03:48:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

n.i.k.: Have you seen the rest of Season 2?

**Season 2 spoiler**

In the final podcast, TPTB revealed that we have seen the monster elsewhere in the show but didn't recognize him. Lostpedia says: "...according to the May 26 podcast, we have seen the "Monster" in season two without realising we were looking at it. Gregg Nations later claimed this sighting is to be situated somewhere after episode 'The 23rd Psalm'. "

We know that the monster can pull images out of people's minds like he did with Eko in 'The 23rd Psalm'. I submit that it can also project them. I believe many of the visions on the island including Dave to Hurley (and two others after 23rd Psalm) were the Monster. The visions seem to have special information not available to the persons' own conscious and seem orchestrated for a purpose.

8/27/2006 03:59:00 PM  
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8/27/2006 04:03:00 PM  
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8/27/2006 04:04:00 PM  
Blogger DharmaChick said...

toni -- no, that was actually on our way yout of Battery Park. Yeah, I found it pretty odd how many of those trashed bars were unopened.
If someone didn't want chocolate, why would they take it? Maybe because dark choclolate is less popular? Or perhaps the person suddenly realized that they were on a diet? lol.
Who knows. Terrible waste, though. :(

8/27/2006 04:06:00 PM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

h, interesting, twinkle. I have indeed seen the rest of the season but hand't considered the possibility you're suggesting before. Very interesting concept, and, if correct, raises the question, "How exactly is the monster privvy to details of a person's concious mind and yet exterior information as well?" Is it sentient and capable of reading minds, or does someone with such capabilities have to direct it? Only time will tell the truth. But again: very cool idea!

8/27/2006 04:06:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Just found the theory suggested on Lostpedia too. I have the same questions you do too. It certainly acts sentient.

If Dave was a manifestation of the Monster, the question is what was it trying to do to Hurley? That makes Dave a much more interesting episode.

8/27/2006 04:11:00 PM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

Well, that's obvious: it was either trying to get rid of him or test him somehow. I think the more important question relevant to this instance is "why". Could it have something to do with that mysterious "good"/"bad" metric we don't understand yet? I think if it was trying to kill him, it could do so outright, much like happened to the pilot. Maybe it has some limitations imposed on it somehow?

8/27/2006 04:19:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

***Season 2 spoiler***

But Hurley was one of the ones the Others required Micheal to bring. Did the monster know that they would want him? How do the Others see Hurley? Why did they want Hurley only to do with him what they did?

8/27/2006 04:23:00 PM  
Blogger AmbientBlu said...

So I just got an e-mail from rachel telling me that I am only allowed to upload one picture per 24 hours, which is funny, because I only tried uploading one picture. I know other people have gotten this, but I'm not sure if anyone responded to her. I'm sure it'll either bounce back or just end up in some mailbox, only to be deleted by an ABC intern, but still ...

Here's the exchange.
HEY THERE, AMBIENTBLU. MAYBE I WASN'T CLEAR ON THE RULES.

I'VE GOT AN UPLOAD LIMIT OF ONE PIC PER 24 HOURS. YOUR UPLOAD TO WWW.WHEREISALVAR.COM WAS DENIED.

SORRY, BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO TRY AGAIN TOMORROW.

- RACHEL

******
Actually, you were quite clear on the rules, but perhaps all this running around trying to expose the Hanso Corporation has impaired your ability to calculate simple math. This is the first and only time I have attempted to upload a picture to whereisalvar. Perhaps you should check the coding on your site and make sure it's all correct. Otherwise, you'll be hard pressed to get your supporters to post their pictures on the site and prove to Mittlewerk that you're serious.

8/27/2006 04:23:00 PM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

Twinkle:

***spoiler***



Two guesses:

1) Hurley is not seen as a threat and is well-liked among the Losties. Perhaps the Others believe they will listen to him, and in turn they will be left in peace to continue on whatever work they're concerned with?

2) Hurley is not seen as a threat and is well-liked among the Losties, but ultimately, the Losties also see him as a weak individual. The Others have chosen Hurley to pass this information on *expecting* the Losties to defy this order based on it source.

The problem with both of these is that neither explains the "Dave" occurences. Assuming it's the monster, we must not forget that the information from the map regarding the "Cerberus" system and the CV vents seems to suggest it was added later. It's highly possible that the monster acts independently of the Others and may even somehow be there in opposition to them.

8/27/2006 04:30:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

**Spoiler**




Yeah, that's what I mean. The monster being "Dave" adds a new element to all that.

Fun, fun discussion!

***end spoiler***

Thanks, everyone, for putting up with the spoier stuff. I've been holding that in since the end of Season 2!

8/27/2006 04:37:00 PM  

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