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Clue #126 - UK's Final Glyph Hunt & Other News

Over on Channel 4, Other Girl has a post titled "Listen Up!!" about a press release she recieved and verified to be accurate. According to her, two more fragments are to be tracked down in Manchester and London next week in an unprecedented real-world glyph hunt race of sorts. Check out Other Girl's Blog for all the details.

Thanks to Grafik & Grissy42 for emailing us the info.

In other news, we're eager about continuing to build on the chemistry that our commenters have found with one another on this blog. When The Lost Experience ends (who knows when) and Season 3 begins (on October 4), we're hoping to leave this blog as a "time capsule" of TLE and move our community discussions over to a new blog we're calling "The Lost Community". It's still "Under Construction" but head on over, check it out, and let us know what you think!


Blogger Fenris said...


9/02/2006 10:51:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Glyphaltastical on ICE!!!

9/02/2006 10:51:00 AM  
Blogger Sam said...


9/02/2006 10:52:00 AM  
Blogger Dan said...


9/02/2006 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger Nightcrawler said...

So close but yet so far

9/02/2006 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger vgpavao said...

go manchester!!!

9/02/2006 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger Dr.Spongebob "Chris" Shephard said...

man i hope they can find the glyph soon

Good Luck

9/02/2006 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger Patrick said...

top 10!

9/02/2006 10:56:00 AM  
Blogger FYSB said...

Top 10!

And now, since there are no glyphs to hunt, I'm off to mow the yard.

9/02/2006 10:58:00 AM  
Blogger Rufio said...

hope they do something like that out here

9/02/2006 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Morning everyone! Happy Saturday!

9/02/2006 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

I think since we had a few here in the states and the Aussies have like 15 they wanted to include the UK folks. I hope it is fun for you guys!

9/02/2006 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger xdef said...

sounds kinda like a treasure hunt or something, with a bunch of people looking for the same thing it's sure to be violent and crazy.

9/02/2006 11:11:00 AM  
Blogger Ratmanislost said...

Top 20?

9/02/2006 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Thrasher- like your new avatar!

9/02/2006 11:16:00 AM  
Blogger Ratmanislost said...

Isn't it funny how the battle to bring down a bad corporation takes the weekend off?

9/02/2006 11:17:00 AM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Yes- and that RB took 5 weeks to release a video that has time sensitive material re: the take down of that corp. in it.

9/02/2006 11:19:00 AM  
Blogger Ratmanislost said...

I guess some things are just too hard to simulate on the game. Plus, it looks like she gets captured on the tape... so how did she splice it up and spread it out over the internet????
Too many questions... my head is going to explode.....

9/02/2006 11:21:00 AM  
Blogger Brett said...

Umm. top 15
On LOST in a charlie episode the batersea POWER STATION there was a sign that said widmore corperation this could be where one of the glyph's is. In a hurry gotta go.

9/02/2006 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Thanks Scout! Fenris helped me by resizing it...I may change it back or keep it, meh...not sure...

There are 2 more days left to join the TLEC fantasy football league...there are 9 teams so far...I like when we have an even number, that way no one has a bye week and is always playing...so lets go people...

9/02/2006 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Did anyone see savejoop.com? It has been hacked...by Muslims.

9/02/2006 11:26:00 AM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

And...speaking of fantasy football: how do I actually pick players for my lineup? I couldn't figure it out yesterday, then ran out of time.

9/02/2006 11:28:00 AM  
Blogger HereAndThere said...

scoutpost- YOUR RIGHT!!! I HAD to look at savejoop once you said that! And it seems like a REAL hacker, not some made up one...

9/02/2006 11:34:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

Kinetic posted about the savejoop hacker earlier in the other comments section. It seems to have been there for a little bit, but still disturbing that one of "our" sites has been targeted.

9/02/2006 11:41:00 AM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Weird huh? Poor Joop- as if extending his life to 105 wasn't enough, now the only website dedicated to his release has been taken over by extremists.

9/02/2006 11:42:00 AM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Yeah Ange- Kinetic's post is what led me there. Didn't know it had been there for a while. It is freaky. Wouldn't seem like a likely website to hack.

9/02/2006 11:44:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

Ratmanislost said...

it looks like she gets captured on the tape... so how did she splice it up and spread it out over the internet????

In the video fragment the jeans leg on the floor looks awfully flat to me, no leg inside, the leg legged it !
(or perhaps it's an arm of a jeans jacket?)

9/02/2006 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger gretna-dragon said...

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9/02/2006 11:53:00 AM  
Blogger Benito said...

Because you've all been so good lately, a new Season 3 commercial with all new footage. Enjoy!

9/02/2006 11:57:00 AM  
Blogger Slappy said...

30th! or maybe 31st! possibly 32nd! but no way 33rd!

9/02/2006 12:13:00 PM  
Blogger goingdark! said...

apparently u can contact the douchebag that hacked it at

lets nail that prick. honestly what the f@%k is the point in that what a nobend

9/02/2006 12:15:00 PM  
Blogger goingdark! said...

im talking about save joop.com

9/02/2006 12:16:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Geesh, that hack of savejoop.com is pretty scary. Why in the world would that be hacked? And by a Saudi hacker? Joop isn't Jewish, is he?

Benito: Thanks for S3 commercial.

9/02/2006 12:18:00 PM  
Blogger goingdark! said...

that trailer is cool. who wants to bet that there being held in the underwater hatch that was supposed to be found in season 2. the cable on the beach that runs into the water leads to it. sayid believes its reasseus coz she captured him while following it. i beleive she set the trap up to catch one of the others if anything went wrong

9/02/2006 12:19:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

goingdark: Yeah, I bet they are in the underwater hatch. I remember the producers saying something to the effect that the hieroglyphics on the countdown clock actually said "underworld" which might relate to a world under the sea. Sayid's cable would definitely lead to an underwater hatch.

9/02/2006 12:25:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Hmmmm....perhaps it is Atlantis???

wv = uscfan

Ah, NO! I am not a USC Fan!! Penn State Baby!!!

9/02/2006 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger capcom said...

Re: savejoop.com hack; that, is the creepiest and most disturbing thing that I've seen so far in this game. Hope they can fix it back SOON.

9/02/2006 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger Tresbien said...

Maven, your post reminded me of some research earlier in the game when bellydancer and I were trying to figure out the meaning of the cables in parthenogenesis. I don't know how valid the space elevator is from a scientific perspective, but I found the whole idea of it intruiguing, particularly in terms of how it could be used to store things for use after a nuclear event.

9/02/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Tresbien: I don't know how realistic that space elevator thing is. Seems pretty far-fetched to me. Lindehof said the cuntdown glyphs meant "underworld" on July 31st. And an underwater hatch has been alluded to.

9/02/2006 12:45:00 PM  
Blogger tdciago said...

I just wanted to say that I think the meeting places for the British glyph hunts are brilliant:

The Chinese Arch (painted with DRAGONS and phoenixes)in Manchester, and the Isle of DOGS in London.

9/02/2006 12:45:00 PM  
Blogger PyscoUno said...

hmm to head down to london or not

9/02/2006 01:12:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Tresbien - I thought that was interesting as well...here is another Cool thing to check out!

9/02/2006 01:15:00 PM  
Blogger JB said...

Hey all, I'm in Harrisburg as we speak and just got done picking up my very own Apollo bars! Despite driving two hours through a hurricane, the pickup was flawless. I was able to find the ABC television station's booth and the two men inside were extremely polite and nice. Their booth was stacked with boxes FILLED with Apollo bars and they were even kind enough to give me some for my five kids who were hunkered down in the van with my husband while I treked downtown Harrisburg in search of the nanite chocolates!

9/02/2006 01:19:00 PM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Congratulations JB! So glad to hear that someone actually got the bars without a hassle. I'm on the trade list, but still jealous that I didn't get to go get a bar myself. Enjoy- and go get out of the hurricane- are you insane?!! LOL

9/02/2006 01:45:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

Did anybody mention that this weeks EW has a Verizon ad with half a glyph, and another message from the speaker in it?

9/02/2006 01:49:00 PM  
Blogger tole212 said...

passafist: nobody mentioned it!

is there half a code on half a glyph?

9/02/2006 01:52:00 PM  
Blogger Thelostgospels said...

www.savejoop.com scares me now, why would someone hack a site asving tortured monkeys........i don't understand

9/02/2006 01:52:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

Well there's a glyph, but no code!! It's the Verizon Ad from a few weeks ago with the womens face and the film reel spooling out of her one eye. Above the picture it says BE THE DRAMA. MOVIES ON VERIZON BROADBAND ARE RICHER. DEEPER. BROADER.

and on the bottom is says FLINCH FASTER. SCREAM SOONER. FEEL MORE. WWW.RICHERDEEPERBRAODER.COM 2006 Verizon. All Rights Reserved.

And their is a glyph it's an hourglass tipped on its side.

9/02/2006 02:07:00 PM  
Blogger tole212 said...

Just a few thoughts on season 3...

They said we'll see Libby again and many people speculate that this will be in Hurley's or Desmond's flashbacks.

I think Penelope will have a flashback this season and Libby's story will be explained there.

Also, we probably wont see Danielle's flashback until the episode where she and Alex are reunited and this could happen in the last season.

9/02/2006 02:11:00 PM  
Blogger tole212 said...

I guess probably there'll be a glyph on Verizon on Monday...

9/02/2006 02:13:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

they are definetly in an under water hatch in season 3

9/02/2006 02:14:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

So UK gets the last two glyphs but we've got 10 to go, right?
TLE took a break on Monday for UK's bank holiday so chances are it will take a break for US Labor Day on Monday. That means either OT was exaggertating about them being the "last two" or we're going to have a really crazy Tuesday and Wendnesday!

9/02/2006 02:15:00 PM  
Blogger HansoLow said...

passafist, nice jpb finding that ad! Any chance you can get a scan or a picture of it (the glyph)?

9/02/2006 02:19:00 PM  
Blogger k.barrick said...

Hey Glyph-mad compadres,

Reading over Other Girl's post, I think she means the last two UK GLYPHS. Meaning the last two that were given to her/UK distributors. Like Ninja saying that he would be releasing his last two sometime (he didn't say this). It's the last two for the country.

Let's not presume that the glyph search ends Thursday. Inevitably it won't and then we'd just be pissed off.

9/02/2006 02:21:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

I've tried to take a picture of it but it's very dark and I don't have a picture scanner?!?! SOrry!!!

9/02/2006 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Kristen, yeah that makes sense. But I bet a lot of people will read it wrong and be upset.

9/02/2006 02:31:00 PM  
Blogger HereAndThere said...

Ok.... I'm guessing the slow day is the cause for no one talking about the awesome new blog put up for after TLE... http://thelostcommunity.blogspot.com/

It's kinda in the main part of the post so....

9/02/2006 02:58:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Did you all see the change on the front for the new Lost Community blog ?

Can't wait!

9/02/2006 02:59:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Great minds, hereandthere!

9/02/2006 03:00:00 PM  
Blogger HereAndThere said...

That is so, twinkle!

9/02/2006 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger AdelphiaDella said...

I love the idea- the lost experience community. I don't post alot but i've been here for quite some time now and really appreciate the diverse group here and the various opinions and views that span the globe. When you first go to a blog it's most times "clique-like & unwelcoming" NOT HERE, not this crowd. Everyone is heard and people respond. I like it. A "community" is the best desciption of TLEC.
Thanks for keeping TLEC alive after the arg, I'll be here til the end and move to the new neighborhood when the time comes.

I was worried about the VOID that'd be left when this was all said and done. Now I don't have to

9/02/2006 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger Tresbien said...

Thrasher, thanks for that link to the article about stargate. I would love to see that for myself in Peru. Often formations like that have geological explanations, even when they are very symmetrical like that one, but it does look carved at first glance. Think I'll try to do a little research on that--fascinating!

9/02/2006 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger HereAndThere said...

Dee-you should post that same thing in TLC. Hmm is that what it's going to be called? Yay, I can be the first to officially say it in the comments :-D.

9/02/2006 03:10:00 PM  
Blogger AdelphiaDella said...

hereandthere- will do, as i am currenty checking it out anyway

9/02/2006 03:11:00 PM  
Blogger Dr.Spongebob "Chris" Shephard said...

Hmm... the community looks good.

I'm happy my blog is both about Lost and The Lost Experience so i won't have to end it soon..

9/02/2006 03:21:00 PM  
Blogger Dr.Spongebob "Chris" Shephard said...

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9/02/2006 03:28:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

The new Lost Community blog is great. Thanks so much for starting it up! Greatly appreciated.

9/02/2006 03:31:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Spongebob - Please stop spaming your blog...people here read almost all of the comments on this blog...if they want they will check yours out...

9/02/2006 03:34:00 PM  
Blogger oodles said...

Good on you, admins.
It'll be nice not to loose touch.

Have you guys noticed that the RDB site has been revamped?
Haven't found a glyph or anything resembling it though. Might be Monday.

9/02/2006 03:37:00 PM  
Blogger Dr.Spongebob "Chris" Shephard said...

sorry thasher76 i'm gonna delete them right now David e-mailed me and told me about it.... I feel really bad .....(sigh)

9/02/2006 03:55:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Spongebob - No worries I did not mean to come across mean or anything...you would not be the first and I am sure will not be the last...to do it...

I am off until Tuesday guys! Have a great weekend!

Peace & Namaste!!!

9/02/2006 04:01:00 PM  
Blogger Dr.Spongebob "Chris" Shephard said...

i'm nearly done


I'm really sorry about what i have been doing. I was on a rampage. It won't happen Ever Again!!!

(sigh) I'm really stupid at times

9/02/2006 04:02:00 PM  
Blogger Dr.Spongebob "Chris" Shephard said...

thanks Thrasher and thanks David

9/02/2006 04:04:00 PM  
Blogger Dr.Spongebob "Chris" Shephard said...

hmmm....Man i hope we get these glyphs soon.

Good Luck everyone that is searching

9/02/2006 04:08:00 PM  
Blogger Stacker/House said...

passafist: that's an older glyph. i forgot which one, but it's one that we've gotten already.

9/02/2006 04:30:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

Yes I believe the Verizon Ad is the same from clue 109. But the Glyph Picture is very different and it's in this weeks TV PREVIEW of EW.

9/02/2006 04:38:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

The Glyph picture looks like an Hourglass flipped on it's side?!

So no it's not an older glyph!

9/02/2006 04:40:00 PM  
Blogger PyscoUno said...

yay was wondering what would happen to the group when the game ends glad its just gunna move. are you guys still going to do some sort of a podcast for lost itself

9/02/2006 04:46:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

The Jeep Channel on You Tube has also been updated. Part 2 takes place during the Apollo Candy bar Central Prak Giveaway.

9/02/2006 05:00:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

That's Central Park!!!

9/02/2006 05:01:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

Watching these they don't seem game related but if you were there you might see yourself on video.

9/02/2006 05:06:00 PM  
Blogger inatrancer said...

81 im getting faster lol

9/02/2006 05:11:00 PM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Hy Guys

Just a quick shout to say hi - Looking forward to the UK live glyph hunt - um like the new Avatar Thrasher I think the TLC blog idea is really cool

anyway I'm off to bed

see you guys tommorow or Monday

9/02/2006 05:18:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

passifist: I'm looking at the Verizon ad in this week's EW. I do not see this glyph listed on Lostpedia. (Kind of like a bowtie). There is no code on it. RDB is most likely where the code will be.

9/02/2006 05:25:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

Thank YOu Maven

9/02/2006 05:26:00 PM  
Blogger goingdark! said...

did i miss something or has a new glyph been released?

i checked the xml stats but didnt see a new one unless it has been found already?

by the way i LOVE the new blogspot guys. ill be on after i download the new ep here in the uk

9/02/2006 05:27:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

Goingdark there is half a glyph (just the picture) in the new issue of EW! IT's a bowtie shape! The Verizion Ad it's featured on is the same as in clue 109.

9/02/2006 05:31:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Passafist: I just toured RDB. Gosh, it's really been updated. Something tells me the code will be there...eventually. I couldn't find anything there yet!

9/02/2006 05:36:00 PM  
Blogger Dr.Spongebob "Chris" Shephard said...

hey everyone how is the hunt going?

By the way Maven what does RBD stand for???

9/02/2006 05:42:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

RDB stands for richerdeeperbroader.com (Verizon site)

9/02/2006 05:45:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

RicherDeeperBroader.com - It's the Verizon In-Game Site

9/02/2006 05:46:00 PM  
Blogger goingdark! said...

ok cool cheers passifist. have u guys seen the new lost s3 trailer


(by the way can some tell me how to make links in this page? ie like the one above but so its a direct click and ur there? thanks in advance

9/02/2006 05:50:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Goingdark: I think I can tell you how to make the direct link:

Type it this way: open bracket (<)
followed by: a href=
followed by: quotes around the URL address you want to link to ("url address you want to link to")
followed by: closed bracket (>)
followed by: words you want in blue
end with: open bracket (<) then / then a then closed bracket (>)

Hope this explains it.

9/02/2006 06:00:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

I believe if you put

Link Text

It should work!!! Let Me Try!!

CLick Here For SEason 3 Preview

9/02/2006 06:01:00 PM  
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9/02/2006 06:03:00 PM  
Blogger goingdark! said...

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9/02/2006 06:07:00 PM  
Blogger goingdark! said...

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9/02/2006 06:10:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

goingdark: after the <, add a href="

after trailer add >

then after the > add the words you want in blue

follow that by <

/a and >

9/02/2006 06:13:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

I have to type this all out, otherwise I can't post it. :(

9/02/2006 06:14:00 PM  
Blogger goingdark! said...


9/02/2006 06:14:00 PM  
Blogger Mira Irene said...

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but I saw what looked like a new glyph in the September 4th issue of People at the salon today. I couldn't see the numbers, but it was in a Monster ad that said "General Manager" at the top. There was a guy sitting on bleachers, and one of the seats had a small "Hanso Foundation" logo on it. Let me know your thoughts.

9/02/2006 06:18:00 PM  
Blogger goingdark! said...

poo im not goodat this lol. i will get it though
this is Sooooo embarrasing

S3 trailer

9/02/2006 06:24:00 PM  
Blogger goingdark! said...

YAY final cheers mavin and passafist

9/02/2006 06:25:00 PM  
Blogger Dr.Spongebob "Chris" Shephard said...

i have the promo i got it from jackandkate.org

it looks really good

9/02/2006 06:27:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Mira irene: That's old. I think it was Clue #122. We all spent a lot of time trying to even see the code on it, but it ended up being on Monster.com. Think it was related to Narvik Travel and the code was "narvik"

9/02/2006 06:27:00 PM  
Blogger Mira Irene said...

my bad.

9/02/2006 06:30:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Don't celebrate yet, gettingdark! Still not right!

9/02/2006 06:31:00 PM  
Blogger Ange said...

Just want to mention that there have been repeat glyph types in ads in magazines, so don't discount anything too quickly. The monster one from this week that led to Narvik was thought at first to be an old one for Tropics. These ads may not contain actual codes, but may lead us somewhere. Also, Manny sent me a message earlier this week mentioning looking in EW and not National Geographic. Just food for thought.


9/02/2006 06:37:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

Getting dark I think in your code you forgot the http:// after the = sign!

9/02/2006 06:38:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Hi, Ange: The new EW "bowtie" glyph looks new to me; however, there's no code on it. Related to RDB site probably.

9/02/2006 06:39:00 PM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Didn't someone mention yesterday- or maybe the day before about the new EW and there being a glyph w/no code in it? I can't remember- I can go look. Thing is, no new fragments have been released according to the stats page. So I wonder if there is anything out there to find yet. hmmm

9/02/2006 06:51:00 PM  
Blogger goingdark! said...


one more try, if not ill try again tomoz

< a href=http://"www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EyCZQUEvig" s3 trailer< /a>

i think i just had the longest word verification in my life. any way its nor working it just keeps telling me the tag is broken ill try tomoz when im more awake its nearly 1 am here in the uk.

9/02/2006 06:51:00 PM  
Blogger goingdark! said...

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9/02/2006 06:53:00 PM  
Blogger goingdark! said...

im off to bed any way ill see u guys tomoz. have a good labour day to any one in the states.

9/02/2006 06:54:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

So close you forgot to close off the url with one of these ">"

Good night

9/02/2006 06:55:00 PM  
Blogger goingdark! said...

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9/02/2006 07:03:00 PM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

OK is this the same glyph as you guys (Maven and Passafist) have?

UnseenPresence said...
Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am both ecstatic and annoyed right now.

As I have FOR THE THIRD TIME found a Glyph first.

And for the SECOND TIME...

it doesn't have a damn code...just the Glyph.

Yes, that's right:

The RicherDeeperBroader ad (with the woman who has a film for her eye) has shown up again in EW (the September 8 issue, with the Fall TV Preview cover.)

Once again, there is a Glyph there--and it's a different Glyph than before. I've checked and it doesn't seem to match any other Glyph.

So I went to RDB.com. I scoured the damn place.

And either I just can't find it based on the clues from the ROT board (and yes, there are some) OR it's not up yet.

So yet again, I'm first to give y'all the news. :)

And yet again, I won't manage to get ON the HE Leaderboard. :(

The trials and tribulations of being a Super Hero, I tell you.

Here is a link to the ad:


And here is the link to the close-up:


There's also a new column from Speaker. I'll upload that in a second.

9/01/2006 02:22:40 AM

9/02/2006 07:09:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Scoutpost: Yep, it's the same one! I just got my EW today.

9/02/2006 07:27:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

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9/02/2006 07:27:00 PM  
Blogger capcom said...

Funny thing on the ROT site, did anyone notice yet? No matter what you click on in the site, it all takes you to the chat page, without plugging in the pword. Sorry if this is old news.

9/02/2006 07:36:00 PM  
Blogger capcom said...

Woops, now ROT goes directly to the chat page, without showing the original first page about Wally, et.al.

9/02/2006 07:44:00 PM  
Blogger HansoLow said...

I'd like to make a prediction (although I'm sure I'll be wrong):

Last time there was a Verizon ad like this, it led us to the RDB site where we found the "VACCINE" clue by clicking on the drive-in speaker. Looking at the new layout for the RDB site, you can see that they've added a "game" section that includes a picture of an X-BOX 360. As of now, if you click on the power button on the X-BOX, it will take you back to the homepage. Why would RDB use that as a link back to the homepage when there is already a link back home right below it?

I can't help but think that one of the clues we were given the other day in the ROT chatter ( "WHAT'S IN THE BOX...WHAT'S IN THE BOX?") might lead us to our next fragment code. Maybe sometime soon (Monday or Tuesday?) that "X-BOX powerbutton" link will instead reveal the code.

Again, this is just pure speculation...something we can check at the begeinning of next week when we're looking for a new code.

9/02/2006 08:12:00 PM  
Blogger Passafist said...

Scout that's the Glyph I discovered and posted about earlier. It makes sense that the Glyph wouldn;t be posted til monday, that's when the magazine hits newstands!

9/02/2006 08:16:00 PM  
Blogger Human Pawn said...

Can't wait to take part in the new community. Don't post much here as I often get left behind, so should be interesting to share ideas with folks.

Best of luck with it!

As for the Glyph hunt in Manchester and London, those who are on it....enjoy! Very jealous stuck up here in Dundee!

9/02/2006 08:26:00 PM  
Blogger capcom said...

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9/02/2006 08:55:00 PM  
Blogger capcom said...

The ROT site has its main page back now, but you can still get to the chat page via any link, without the password. Wonder what gives over there, since they are no longer under the "Hanso tutelage"?

9/02/2006 08:59:00 PM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

So those of you who already have the new EW got it because you're subscribers? It would make sense if there wasn't a code with it til later- just like you said Passafist. So I guess we should pay attention on Monday when it hits newstands.
Hansolow- I think you are right on with your prediction. I will predict that your prediction is correct!

9/02/2006 09:08:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Yes, scoutpost, I subscribe to EW and just got the Fall Preview issue today.

Hansolow: Your prediction makes perfect sense. They sure did change the RDB site, didn't they. We always wondered what those blank screens and billboards were for. Guess we have to be patient and wait until after the holiday. Darn it! :(

9/02/2006 09:43:00 PM  
Blogger BoulderLovinCat said...

capcom--re: rot page--if you clear your cookies, etc. then reload the page it goes back to needing a password

9/02/2006 10:10:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

I predict that scoutpost's prediction that hansolow's prediction will be correct, will be correct.
It looks like their funky system of releasing glyphs & codes at staggered times has now become normal to us.

9/02/2006 10:11:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Oh no, it's my infamous write a really long post before bed.

Okay so here is a different take on my previous theory.

I said that the "numbers" were the constants in the equation and that the variables were factors involving politics, environment, genetics, etc. The variables were what they were trying to change. The outcome was something different and pressumably meant the end of the world was soon.

So I have another theory. What if there are sub-equations. Like for instance six sub sections of the equation taking into acount various factors. Each one of those can be taken down to individual numbers which in combination are fed into the next part of the equation that calculates the end of the world. So by throwing off any one of those sub sections you force a re-caculation of the equation and therefore stave off the end of the world (though by how much we don't know). Now you must have seen where I was going with this. Six numbers? Yes exactly. It seems a little far fetches to suggest you can simplify something as complex as human genetics into the number (for example) 23, but maybe that is just how it works for the part that is moved on to the final part of the equation.

So what we have is six stations looking to independantly change their individual part of the equation, their one number. That of course brings us back to the speculation about the various stations and what they do but this information would help with that.

But basically, this is why Hurley was right. The Numbers ARE bad and changing them is what the Hanso Foundation was all about. So I was right in that they are the question, but wrong in saying the were the constants, they are the variables in a way. They just aren't as variable as THF or the world in general would like.

That is my final theory on Dharma/Numbers.

However it doesn't explain why Mittelwerk is a *bad* person. I'm still on what I said before with that. He needs to either be 1) Pushing the equation the wrong way, 2) ignoring a less drastic way for his own benifit (somehow?), 3) Following this drastic action while the equation is not true (which only makes him bad if he knows it is untrue). Otherwise he is trying to save us all from dying while Rachel wants the world wiped out.

I would vote for 3 of those. Final Answer. I reckon Alvar Hanso realised the equation was flawed and that is why he axed the Dharma Initiative, however Mittelwerk being high up in the company and benifiting from all the secret funding Governments and Companies have been giving THF to solve this problem didn't want to loose all that and the lifestyle to which he became accustomed. So he usurped Alvar and tried to kill him and stifled the info about the equation including Troups book that debunked the myth about it (something he and his publisher kept quiet). That would just leave this current drastic action, which I would put down as a government sanctioned operation that is really a ploy to justify extending the end of the world. Obviously when the date came and went Mittelwerk and THF would look pretty bad and so he decided he needed to do something big (bigger then the token stuff he had done before). Changing the number just sets a new date of destruction. It doesn't stop the end of the world, and if it was say 100 years time he would still have a good reason to keep getting funding for the duration of his (possibly extended) lifetime.

So that's my final Mittelwerk/Alvar/THF/plot twist theory.

The only bit that doesn't confortably fit in (that I can recall anyway) is Mittlewerk curing Pete Thompsons cancer. But then just because the equation is wrong doesn't mean they didn't discover stuff on the island. So it doesn't have to be fundemental to it.

Okay that's it, going to bed, finally.

9/02/2006 10:15:00 PM  
Blogger Rantzman said...

Hey everyone-
I am in Pennsylvania this weekend and took a trip into Harrisburg today to hit the rain soaked Kipona Festival to track down our own Apollo bars. Sad to say, by the time we got there (around 5:30), most of the event had been rained out and the people at the WHTM booth had left. They had a sign posted that they'd return on Sunday. There was a news van parked by the booth area, and inside i saw boxes of the bars. AGGGHHH !!!!!!! So close, yet no bar. We are going to head back in the morning, as the festival reopens at Noon. Wish us luck.
Will let you know of our quest when I get back into Ohio Sunday evening.

9/02/2006 10:15:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Speaker has a new post mentioning that we should watch Jimmy Kimmel next week (couldn't say which day). Any guesses on who will be on? Rachel, Alvar or TWM?

9/02/2006 11:33:00 PM  
Blogger mountain girl said...

***Spoiler from Season 2*** (Can we assume yet that everyone's seen Season 2?)

I always assumed that the Other's list of "good" flight 815 survivors was some sort of moral good v. evil thing. But knowing what we now know from TLE, maybe it means the "genetically good ones." maybe the list is of the people that fit whatever genetic profile it is THF is looking for to infect with the virus. Would that make sense?

9/02/2006 11:52:00 PM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Mountain Girl- yes that makes a lot of sense. I definitely think that "good" vs. "bad" has some other connotation/qualifier than morality.

Here in Phoenix they just showed an Entertainment Weekly Lost Survival Guide on ABC. It was primarily a summary or primer of what lost is, and the major story lines from Season 1 and 2 for anybody who might want to start watching. Nevertheless, it was entertaining, and I so can't wait until Oct. 4th!

9/03/2006 12:19:00 AM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Ok so I'm reading through the Unanswered Questions thread on the message board. Lots of questions that we still don't know the answer to- esp. info we got from the hacking of THF.org. I had forgotten about a lot of that stuff. One in particular that I am wondering about is where do missing organs and parthenogenesis fit into this story? We've had a lot of discussion lately on the VE and viruses- and maybe missing organs fits into that, but what about the parthenogenesis? Anyone have any ideas?

9/03/2006 12:41:00 AM  
Blogger Friday's_Child said...

"HansoLow said...

Last time there was a Verizon ad like this, it led us to the RDB site where we found the "VACCINE" clue by clicking on the drive-in speaker. Looking at the new layout for the RDB site, you can see that they've added a "game" section that includes a picture of an X-BOX 360.

As of now, if you click on the power button on the X-BOX, it will take you back to the homepage. Why would RDB use that as a link back to the homepage when there is already a link back home right below it?"

Hey, Hansolow! I raced over to RDB to have a look at the X-Box, and I'm guessing that the "power button" link is SO CLOSE to the "Home" signpost that it's actually the same link. See how "Home" brightens as you hover your mouse over the X-box button?

If I'm wrong, let me know. I didn't see any other button...

Yawn...getting late...

9/03/2006 01:04:00 AM  
Blogger MissMegs said...

ok - for those of you in the APolloTrade - I FINALLY got the list updated and put up another silly post to go with it. You can check it out and let me know if I messed up anyone's info at apollotrade.blogspot.com

Now to catch up on all the stuff I missed this week while I was messing with that...

9/03/2006 01:09:00 AM  
Blogger Dman176 said...

I had figured there would be another ad popping up in this week's issue of EW, and that it would be for Verizon, since it was the only remaining sponsor that didn't have a second word-related code. I realized, though, that considering Monday is a federal holiday and that many businesses and companies are off for Labor Day, it is quite possible new codes won't be released until Tuesday. On the upside, it seems likely that by Friday, all of the codes will be released and we'll FINALLY be able to watch the complete video.

By the way, I also checked the new issue of People (with Jessica Simpson on the cover), and there are no further ads from Speaker (I didn't expect there would be, but checked anyway just to be sure). So, I guess once we figure out what this new EW word code is on the RDB site, that'll be it for the word codes.

Oh...and great idea to create the new blog/board. I've already bookmarked it and will hopefully come out of lurker status and post more often. I can't wait for Season 3 to begin! :)

9/03/2006 02:36:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

Good morning, admins.
Could you please delete the telaat post above? Bl***** spammers.

9/03/2006 05:45:00 AM  
Blogger Fenris said...

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9/03/2006 06:16:00 AM  
Blogger superdifey said...

Save Joop is back to normal, thank goodness. How freaky was that hack ...

9/03/2006 06:36:00 AM  
Blogger void said...

Here some statistics taken at random points from whereisalvar.com:

Bars/Oracles = Completed

400/16 = 28%
415/17 = 30%
415/17 = 31%
437/22 = 31%
443/23 = 34%
443/23 = 35%
443/23 = 38%

"Only when enough of the Golden Oracles have been found, ... only then will I give further instructions"

Yeah, sure...
I bet we'd be at 38% even if nobody at all had uploaded a picture. This is ridiculous...

9/03/2006 07:14:00 AM  
Blogger Fenris said...

I'm beginning to worry that we'll be at 100% before I've had a chance to do more then one crazy bar picture. :S

At this rate we may be 100% by monday.

I think they must have realised this Act 4 thing is a bad joke and are just trying to rush it out of the way.

9/03/2006 08:00:00 AM  
Blogger Makin said...

443/23 = 34%
443/23 = 35%
443/23 = 38%
This is ridiculous..invisible bars!!!cheap!!!

9/03/2006 08:24:00 AM  
Blogger Pharmacopaeia said...

They're obviously trying to hurry it along for something, and are altering their 'final' number based on the current amount of uploads, I guess. When the count first started I think someone worked out the goal to be approximately 4000 bars, and now we're looking at less than 1200.

I just hope mine arrives in the mail before they throw in the towel altogether!

9/03/2006 08:57:00 AM  
Blogger smokey2271 said...

One would think with Speaker giving away G.O. Bars at Dragoncon that the # would have changed from 23 in the last 24 hours or so...

9/03/2006 08:59:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

I feel like with all that has gone wrong with the give-aways, bars ending up in the trash, cancellations, etc. That they may have to re-think their target number and when they will give us this BIG information. I agree with Pharmacoapeia and Fenris, I hope it is not too soon....my bar is currently being held hostage my UPS!

9/03/2006 09:09:00 AM  
Blogger goingdark! said...

guys there has been 4,000 bars made. and only 400 found and we are nearing 50%. so they blatently made more bars than neccisary.

its all good.

p.s. **spoiler**

when hanry attacked anna he said she killed two people who where leaving them alone, ur the murder anna.

she killed two of the others? i must have missed something. but i get the comment about her being a murder killing the guy who shot her.

9/03/2006 09:35:00 AM  
Blogger void said...

The question is whether they're changing the final number
or whether the Complete percentage has since the beginning only been increasing with time and with no relation to the bars or the golden oracles whatsoever!

9/03/2006 09:41:00 AM  
Blogger Fenris said...

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9/03/2006 09:57:00 AM  
Blogger goingdark! said...

free chocolate people free chocolate. but i can understand how people are getting frustrated with this due to travelling all the way to a distribution and not getting a bar id be pissed aswell. but guys its only a game dont stress urselfs over it. but for what its worth i think they stared the site with the intention that the counter would go up with uploads, but now they releasised that loads of bars have been lost given away to none players TPTB have altered the counter on the website so that the final piece of juicy info wont be lost and the game ruined.

and i think they should have had a P/W or daily code in the us distributions so that only players got the bars and that way not as many would have been lost to chocy hungry strangers who didnt know anything about the Lost experience.

9/03/2006 10:14:00 AM  
Blogger Gavin said...

ana killed two of the others a fe days after they crashed when the tailies were still on the other side of the island (which we saw quite near the beginning of series 2 in the episode that went back to day one from their point of view)

9/03/2006 10:15:00 AM  
Blogger stacey said...

Actually, I think the 'completed percentage' is of the 1200 bars that Rachel said we needed to find...not sure where the Golden Oracles fit in yet.

9/03/2006 10:45:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Morning all: One more day closer to Oct. 4th! LOL

This U.S. candy distribution has not been every well thought out. By giving candy bars away to anyone at different venues doesn't make for a very accurate distribution to TLE players. We've all seen the photos of thrown away candy wrappers in trash cans! They should have done something similar to the UK Forbidden Planet method. Go into a store with a password and get a candy bar! TPTB have really angered some players by "making" them drive long distances to find chaos and confusion at different venues.

I don't even have a bar yet. I'm planning on going to the Sept. 16th Santa Monica/Acura venue. But I'm very unsure about it as it was on then off, then on again. And I can't get confirmation that Apollo candy will even be there at all. I hope to meet up with some fellow TLCErs (and that will be fun), but I hope the trip is fruitful candy-wise!

9/03/2006 10:47:00 AM  
Blogger capcom said...

Boulder; I already tried erasing the cookies and the ROT page still acted the same. My computer must be funky.

Fenris; I agree with your separate variable theory (unless I am understanding it incorrectly). I think that we got a hint about that on the Hanso website (under MFI?) at the different areas on the map where separate values were plugged into each location or situation. Those would be examples of the changing figures that feed or complete the variables of the equation. Unless I misunderstood that part as well.

It's also interesting what you said about TWM being the individual responsible for the burying of the Troop VE book, I always assumed that it was Hanso. Troop may have indeed exposed or put forth some sort of flaws in the equation's structure or accuracy, such that it could have appeared that TWM would have slower or more methodical and humane alternatives to his "fixes" for the world. E.G., changing the specific variables by more peacefull means (like feeding hungry nations) instead of controlling by forced tribal wars or the killing of precise percentages of people. TWM's need to take radical action would then be merely his own sense of urgency, to make the finale represent the outcome that he alone desires?

9/03/2006 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger Jack Gladney said...


In addition to the two others Ana and Eko killed their first night on the beach, Ana killed Goodwin a few weeks later. That would make two others killed, although it's debatable as to whether either of them were "leaving her alone." Both incidents occurred in "The Other 48 Days."

9/03/2006 11:43:00 AM  
Blogger trevorgladez said...

Don't know if it has already been discussed, but there is a Lost "survival guide" on ABC at 1:30 pm Central time today with Lindelof and Cuse on it. Has this already been on before? Perhaps a glyph?

9/03/2006 12:13:00 PM  
Blogger goingdark! said...

oh i know she killed goodwin, i just didnt remeber her killing anyone else. on the island anyway.

9/03/2006 12:14:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

thats why henry was so scared when they put eko in the hatch with him, he recognized him

9/03/2006 12:21:00 PM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Trevor- that show was on here in AZ last night. No glyphs or anything TLE related. Mainly a show for people who know nothing about LOST- an attempt to get more people to watch it I think. Just a basic review of Season 1 and 2.

9/03/2006 12:26:00 PM  
Blogger trevorgladez said...


9/03/2006 12:32:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

hey did anything ever come out of that rot chatter the other day

9/03/2006 12:41:00 PM  
Blogger 2costa said...

are we thinking there is gonna be a glyph of richer deeper broader???

9/03/2006 12:43:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

2costa: Well, the new glyph with no code in EW is linked to richerdeeperbroader. Have you been to the site recently? A lot has changed on it. A new game and sport section. And all the blank screens and the billboard are now "showing" promos (we sure spent a lot of time speculating on those. LOL) My guess is that the power game section might give us the code sometime next week.

9/03/2006 12:55:00 PM  
Blogger HansoLow said...

Friday'sChild said...

"Hey, Hansolow! I raced over to RDB to have a look at the X-Box, and I'm guessing that the "power button" link is SO CLOSE to the "Home" signpost that it's actually the same link. See how "Home" brightens as you hover your mouse over the X-box button?"

I now have to go on record as saying that the info that went into making my prediction was flawed. It looks like the "home" link on all of the sections of RDB.com is very wide. So it seems like the placement of the X-BOX power-button right above the "home" link is just a coincidence.

It still wouldn't hurt to check though when we're looking for the code next week.

9/03/2006 01:05:00 PM  
Blogger Friday's_Child said...

Yes, HansoLow, you're so right. One just never knows when or if RDB will all of a sudden 'alter' itself, and that button might then have a link of it's very own: leading to a glyph!!

If that happens, then you'll be the one who mentioned it FIRST!

I liked your reasoning when you stated, "I can't help but think that one of the clues we were given the other day in the ROT chatter ( "WHAT'S IN THE BOX...WHAT'S IN THE BOX?") might lead us to our next fragment code. Maybe sometime soon (Monday or Tuesday?) that "X-BOX powerbutton" link will instead reveal the code."

Yes, yes, yes!

Good job!

9/03/2006 01:55:00 PM  
Blogger Friday's_Child said...

P.S. Are we looking for a code or a glyph? Those two items are synonymous in my mind...

9/03/2006 01:57:00 PM  
Blogger Friday's_Child said...

Man, it's really, really quiet here today. I'm going to have three posts in a row!


9/03/2006 01:58:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Hey, friday'schild: You almost woke me up! LOL

We do have a glyph from the EW Verizon ad (it looks like a "bowtie") but there is no code on it. Hopefully, RDB will have something next week.

9/03/2006 02:01:00 PM  
Blogger Friday's_Child said...

Since it's so quiet, I'll tell the ghosts in this here blog the story of how I got my 'handle'.

You know the poem, part of which reads:

"...Friday's Child is full of grace..."

Well, that's me, born on a Friday afternoon in a tiny hospital here in Northern Arizona.

9/03/2006 02:02:00 PM  
Blogger Friday's_Child said...

Oh, hi, Maven! Ha ha! You posted while I was busy composing my 'story'.

9/03/2006 02:03:00 PM  
Blogger Friday's_Child said...

Since you're here, Maven, I've been meaning to compliment you on the pic of your beautiful kitty-cat! I have THREE cats that could be your cat's siblings. All three are orange sherbet.

9/03/2006 02:07:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Friday'schild: Thanks for your username "story"!

If anyone is curious "Maven" is a Yiddish term that means an expert in a certain field. I don't know what I'm "expert" in, but I do try!

9/03/2006 02:08:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

I have three cats, too. My avatar pic is named Pumpkin. I can't get a good pic of all three of them! So Pumpkin won!

9/03/2006 02:10:00 PM  
Blogger Friday's_Child said...

Pumpkin is a really clever name! Mine are Latte (as in the coffee drink), Mr. Peanut, and Snicker. They're 3 brothers, and are great.

Geez, we must be the only two people logged in today!

9/03/2006 02:13:00 PM  
Blogger HansoLow said...

Hi friday'schild, here is the glyph that was found in the Verizon ad (with no code):

EW Glyph

...and here are links to the ad that is was found in:

Verizon ad in EW

close-up of glyph

9/03/2006 02:15:00 PM  
Blogger Friday's_Child said...

Also, I know what the word 'maven' means, but I didn't know that it's Yiddish. Cool!

You're a maven at ARGs and computer stuff, Maven!


9/03/2006 02:15:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Thanks for those links, hansolow. I have the actual ad, but it helps those who do't get EW.

Hope everyone is having a great Labor Day Weekend. I'm sure TPTB are out bbq-ing somewhere!

9/03/2006 02:18:00 PM  
Blogger Friday's_Child said...

Hi, HansoLow! Thanks for the links! I've seen this glyph called either a 'bow-tie' or a 'sideways hourglass'.

Do you know if either image gives any kind of clue to where we might find the code?

9/03/2006 02:18:00 PM  
Blogger Friday's_Child said...

I mean, if it's supposed to represent a sideways hourglass, one could surmise that TPTB are hinting that the game is half-over.

Oh well, who the heck knows... I'm just rambling here...out of boredom, I guess.

9/03/2006 02:25:00 PM  
Blogger Friday's_Child said...

Guess I'll check in later since things are so quiet.

A BBQ sounds like a good idea, Maven!

9/03/2006 02:27:00 PM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Friday's Child- do you still live in AZ? We live in the Phoenix area.

Maven- Pumpkin is a beautiful cat. I love cats but my hubby is not crazy about them and my MIL is allergic, so no cats for us right now. One day I do plan on getting another...regardless of what anyone says. haha

Very s-l-o-w day, but glad to see that everybody has lives outside of TLE....

9/03/2006 03:16:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Hello, ladies who seem to be the only ones on right now!

Fenris said:
However it doesn't explain why Mittelwerk is a *bad* person. I'm still on what I said before with that. He needs to either be 1) Pushing the equation the wrong way, 2) ignoring a less drastic way for his own benifit (somehow?), 3) Following this drastic action while the equation is not true (which only makes him bad if he knows it is untrue). Otherwise he is trying to save us all from dying while Rachel wants the world wiped out.

From the beginning I've had trouble being all that upset about TVM. Rachel seemed to be overreacting to me. I thought if he was only a man with good intentions trying to do something questionable for the benefit of humanity then he wasn't really much of a bad guy.

Recently I've changed my mind. First I think (hope) some twist will be revealed that shows his true stripes. My second reason is much more complex. I'm going to have to think about it for a bit. See next post...

9/03/2006 03:22:00 PM  
Blogger inatrancer said...

cmon people give me a fragment im bored here~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

9/03/2006 03:24:00 PM  
Blogger inatrancer said...

neeeeeeeeeeeeeed a glyph!!!!!!!

9/03/2006 03:24:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

The more I see of the Sri Lanka video the more TVM disgusts me. It's not that he's taking lives to save the world or what he might do to Rachel, although that's part of it. I think it's his arrogance. By saying that with this equation he can change the world's outcome, by using any means necessary to accomplish that, by deciding for us, for all humanity, what is good and what is bad, he is playing the role of God. This makes me (in game) angry.

Famine, hunger, war, pestilence are awful things. It is right that we should work to end them. But not at any cost. There are only two ways to end these things: 1) By wiping out humankind all together or 2) By radically changing the human make-up.

If everyone on the face of the earth were wiped out, what would that accomplish? If the world were remade into the image of TVM, what is the cost? Not just the cost of actually doing it like lives lost and money spent, but what would be the cost to our humanity?

I know I'm treading on delicate waters here because my reaction is all bound up with my faith. But Damon and Carlton have said that they want to explore issues of faith and meaning in the show. It's just not right for any human to act like he knows better than God.

9/03/2006 03:38:00 PM  
Blogger Carol said...

I may have got things completely wrong, but wasn't there a report a while back saying this phase of the game was for newbies to catch up? I know that could have been the glyph phase too, but there's not a lot to bring new players in at the moment except the chocolate... so as frustrating as it is to see bars in bins etc etc maybe we have to accept it as part of their crazy method.

9/03/2006 04:00:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Yeah, lavenda! And the more people who watch Lost come October, the more money they're going to have to show us cool stuff!

9/03/2006 04:10:00 PM  
Blogger FYSB said...

Hi Twinkle...

Not that I disagree with you about TWM (that pony tail alone is criminal), but I thought I would add some musings, just for the sake of argument.

For me, the question is..if you could save the human race, how far could you go before it's too far? If everyone is going to die no matter what, then anyone that lives because of your actions (vaccine, genetic manipulation) you've saved.

Of course, if everyone is going to die and you know how and when and yet you take it upon your self to make the decision on how to proceed, that IS playing God.

On a side note, I was reading a mag while the Food Network was on in the background and the designer that came on Restaurant Makeover was named something DeGroot. I sat bolt upright wondering if I had missed a clue. It's amazing how sensitized I've become to the names and places of TLE.

9/03/2006 04:20:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

fasten: Good question. And who/what would those people you saved have to become in order to not die? Maybe we only think we're saving ourselves when in reality we're just creating a bigger hell?

9/03/2006 04:31:00 PM  
Blogger oodles said...

yep, know the feeling... there is a yellow lab in the village... :)

9/03/2006 04:32:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

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9/03/2006 04:39:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

All these heavy thoughts on a holiday weekend (at least in the US)!

I've always thought TWM was the bad guy. Just by his demeanor alone -- and let's not forget that absurd ponytail! He just seems sinister, while Rachel seems ernest and sincere. Just my gut reactions to the way the actors are playing them.

But what TWM is doing is definitely evil. He is taking a god-like stance and making decisions that are affecting a lot of humankind. Like Fenris commented on previously, he is manipulating variables for his own purposes...changing populations, genetically changing people and/or viruses, causing tribal wars that wipe out populations, altering the lifespan of people, spreading disease. He is trying to control the outcome of what the Valenzetti equation predicts and to remake the world in the image he wants. Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac, and he seems almost Hitler-like in trying to create a perfect world with people that he deems perfect and worthy. That is pure evil.

9/03/2006 04:42:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Another question is - What purpose does famine, war, and disease play in our lives? It is right and good to help those who suffer and to fight against injustice. But in our current state, what would our lives be like without suffering teaching us to be humble, to depend on each other and on God, to teach us how to truly love one another? It is partly the struggle to alleviate suffering in the world that can bring out the best in us. TVM can't know the consequences of taking that struggle away. Only God would and know what to do about it.

9/03/2006 04:42:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

maven said...
All these heavy thoughts on a holiday weekend (at least in the US)!

Well, Fenris started it! ;-)

9/03/2006 04:44:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

maven: Do you think we're becoming less alert to the dangers of thinking like TVM's, less inclined to see how evil it is? Why or why not?

9/03/2006 04:52:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

I know he did, twinkle!

Fenris, you always have such interesting thoughts and theories...and then you go to bed! It must be difficult to fall asleep with your mind racing like that! LOL But we all appreciate your questions and insights, you always throw some great ideas out there for the rest of us to ponder!

9/03/2006 04:55:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Twinkle: I can see your point about taking away suffering. I don't know of one utopian society that has succeeded, do you? Shangra-La does not exist in the real world.

People helping and aiding those who suffer or have less is one of mankind's great traits. Although it's that same mankind that causes a lot of suffering throughout history, people do eventually come through for eachother.

I do think more and more that people are aware of the evil in this world. This may be because of the current tensions with the Muslim world and how they perceive the evil Westerners. I really don't think that people are unaware of evil. We might be beginning to be complacent because we hear the same bad news over and over...a bombing here, kidnappings there. Even natural disasters are becoming mundane...another hurricane/earthquake, etc. (Even though the cable news plays them up, most people just go on with their lives maybe donating some money and feeling sorry for the victims.)
The face that TWM and his gang are putting out to the general public via their recent publicity campaign (the ads touting how great THF is) are covering up the real truth. Once Rachel and Alvar and all of us expose them, I think that this type of evil will not be overlooked. We think that with the defeat of Hitler and Nazism that this type of thinking died, too. But (in the ARG) it hasn't. Although, leaders of places like North Korea and Iran are pretty evil these days, too, and I think we do recognize it.

9/03/2006 05:09:00 PM  
Blogger Dr.Spongebob "Chris" Shephard said...

B-O-R-E-D So B-O-R-E-D

9/03/2006 05:14:00 PM  

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