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Clue #129 - Fragment Codes "FLHO6CUM181", "354G8", & "2NG39Z"

Fragment Code "FLHO6CUM181" was found late Tuesday night while many of us were enjoying Jimmy Kimmel. You'll find a new video on Speaker's YouTube account. Watch all the way to end of the video for the two riddles that will lead you HERE (to ctrl F "tigger"and follow the link provided) and then to HERE. (to click "TLEC podcast"). Once you have those two pieces, you know where to look for the other two! Ninja has new post with one piece here and the clue in his post about "rocks" leads you to the last one here (click namaste). The video fragment is of Mittlewerk saying, "The optimal mortality rate is 30%".
















Fragment Code "354G8" was spotted on Jimmy Kimmel's coffee mug. The video fragment is of Mittlewerk saying, "When the deaths begin, you must comfort everyone with compassion and empathy."

Fragment Code "2NG39Z" was found in the Manchester glyph hunt documented on Ixalon's blog. The video fragment is of Mittelwerk saying "This inscrutable equation keeps bringing us back into the numbers."

Stay up to date with your hansoexposed.com fragment codes by visiting Matt the Pale's Fragment Code List.

Thanks to Alex, ShoxTP, Tresbien, Dennis, Chris, Justin, Nighcrawler, Sleeper Unknown, Aidan, Sleeper, and Diggity Dirge for helping us with these clues!

354 Comments:

Blogger Dennis said...

First!

9/06/2006 12:39:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

top 5!!!

9/06/2006 12:39:00 AM  
Blogger stacey said...

Wow...fast work on the Speaker/Ninja glyph!! Who figured it out?

9/06/2006 12:39:00 AM  
Blogger mountain girl said...

top 5?

9/06/2006 12:39:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

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9/06/2006 12:40:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

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9/06/2006 12:41:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Hey, ryandrumz: You're always in the right place at the right time! LOL

Can't wait until all this glyph stuff if finally over...I can see the light at the end of this long, boring tunnel!

9/06/2006 12:42:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Agree to disagree til it's released...

9/06/2006 12:42:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Are they going to make us watch Kimmel all week?

9/06/2006 12:44:00 AM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

it all seems kind of anti-climactic to me... i mean we pretty much already know what the whole of the video is about.

i really hope they saved some juicy stuff for the last few fragments

9/06/2006 12:46:00 AM  
Blogger BarbaraJay said...

No, no! Don't make me watch Jimmy Kimmel all week! Noooooooo!

;)

9/06/2006 12:46:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

Maven, No. They are going to make all the east-coasters watch it all week, so they can find it and let us (west-coasters)know as soon as they get it...LOL.
Goodnight all, and this time I'm serious.

9/06/2006 12:47:00 AM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

no doubt. i figure that code was the main reason they wanted us to.

9/06/2006 12:47:00 AM  
Blogger Rantzman said...

Top 20 again !

9/06/2006 12:47:00 AM  
Blogger BarbaraJay said...

It was fun but I probably won't do it again. Goodnight!

9/06/2006 12:48:00 AM  
Blogger sire316 said...

I vote Kimmel's is 3456B and goes active after the show plays on the West Coast.

9/06/2006 12:48:00 AM  
Blogger sire316 said...

Whoops. 3546B

9/06/2006 12:49:00 AM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

i won't find out till tomarrow, so G-night everyone... as if i'd been talking or something and everyone would miss me. whatever

9/06/2006 12:50:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Sorry DeD, but my photo image was flickering so I used the video of my camera, but I'm not experienced with it and others said they had it... though I mentioned that on the commenter...

See you manana directly under the big screen in El grande apple ;-)

9/06/2006 12:51:00 AM  
Blogger Dman176 said...

Ok, checked out that picture with a magnifying glass...

It looks like it could be one of these 4:

JS4GB
J54GB
JS46B
J546B

9/06/2006 12:53:00 AM  
Blogger DeDJeZTeR said...

I agree with the 33456B, I am off to bed so I can wake up early to get to the city for the event... see anyone who is going there.

9/06/2006 12:54:00 AM  
Blogger LockeBox said...

Top 25? Well, it's the lowest for me so far.

9/06/2006 12:54:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Ded - make a choice... there's only 5 characters, LOL

9/06/2006 12:56:00 AM  
Blogger DiggityDirge said...

guess I'll go thru the pain of watching Kimmel since it starts in 5 mins. See every1 tomorrow.

For those of you that are lucky enough to live in a city where an apollo give-a-way is going on, have fun tomorrow!

9/06/2006 01:00:00 AM  
Blogger LockeBox said...

None of these combinations (if they're even correct) are active yet. 'F' this, I'm mobile. Someone wake me when JK airs in the West. I, too, am suffering from glyphilis. Night and namaste, all.

9/06/2006 01:01:00 AM  
Blogger emma_the_sleepy said...

wow, that whole thing appeared and was figured out in the two hours between me checking.

Maybe australia will get a TV glyph now, since uk and us did.

9/06/2006 01:10:00 AM  
Blogger jpike001 said...

anyone have an idea of where to put this glyph?

9/06/2006 01:12:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

Yakobus1 said...
i really hope they saved some juicy stuff for the last few fragments

lol

9/06/2006 01:16:00 AM  
Blogger Carol said...

emma, you think Ninja will get an email to watch Celebrity Survivor? A glyph tattooed on the butt of The Pleasure Machine??? :))

jpike, no I don't have any idea... I finally sat down and sorted out my Mittelwerk frags today but I am out of the zone now!

9/06/2006 01:17:00 AM  
Blogger biotronx said...

so...were the rest of the santa monica pier events cancelled? i know they were taken down from apollo, but figured they'd go back up...

9/06/2006 01:17:00 AM  
Blogger sire316 said...

I have FLHO6CUM181 between pfkab5qxk and Nanite.

"The optimal mortality rate is 30%. Our operatives at the Vik Institute have verified this figure."

Sequence

9/06/2006 01:18:00 AM  
Blogger kiddoc said...

Sploich said... in the last comment section...

I suppose that flho6cum181 comes right before nanite?

Yes, and I am more convinced than ever that after nanite is irz7 and then all the rest with NO breaks.

FLHO6CUM181
NANITE
IRZ7
OUDW
FRXRUK9TQ
VE5SMC
THEFLASHLIGHT
BAX5OUX8T
GLLV8B
QUARANTINE
5XW3O

I also think that RGMR is followed immediately by 56LHZJDCL7A4. There is so much splicing in this film, I think that the script goes:

RGMR "Although the equation has been buried by those who comissioned it..

spliced missing words - "in a" (not a clip to be found)

56LHZJDCL7A4 "..panic, It's always been my belief that we ignore warnings at our own peril. And thus, the DHARMA Initiative was born."

And for my last ordering statement I think the other newest clips go in this order WITHOUT clips missing:

RXMHJH9Y "[static] Its results are chilling, and attention must be paid."

XQGRMH "Only by manipulating the environment by finding scientific solutions to all of our problems..."

7C8R "...we will be able to change those core factors and give humanity a chance to survive."

RGMR "Although the equation has been buried by those who comissioned it..

spliced missing words - "in a" (not a clip to be found)

56LHZJDCL7A4 "..panic, It's always been my belief that we ignore warnings at our own peril. And thus, the DHARMA Initiative was born."

9/06/2006 01:40:00 AM  
Blogger Breetai's Missing Eye said...

Call me crazy, but I see Narvik and perhaps one more between Nanite and IRZ7, with Narvik being connected right to IRZ7. Course, I'm also seeing 4HO as immediately leading into FLHO6CUM181 ("ho" and "cum" in a glyph? Sheesh, this thing is getting downright pornogyphic...)

9/06/2006 01:45:00 AM  
Blogger kiddoc said...

Except that Narvik comes before after 4ho - end of Narvik is a box with a knothole in the middle, and that is what 4ho begins with ... so Jih, I am gonna call you crazy

9/06/2006 01:53:00 AM  
Blogger kiddoc said...

kiddoc said...

Except that Narvik comes before after 4ho - end of Narvik is a box with a knothole in the middle, and that is what 4ho begins with ... so Jih, I am gonna call you crazy

sorry Narvik comes before 4ho (too tired to properly delete words like after)

9/06/2006 01:54:00 AM  
Blogger punchy sue said...

I just figured out that Narvik goes after 44ku2vkq right in the beginning of Mittlewerk's speach. followed by 4ho. I'm using Paw's frament player and it's so much easier matching the clips together.

9/06/2006 02:09:00 AM  
Blogger punchy sue said...

Oops! - fragment

9/06/2006 02:11:00 AM  
Blogger DiggityDirge said...

k....so the Kimmel frag got activated as expected. West Coast viewing just ended.

9/06/2006 02:13:00 AM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Hey all. Just thought I'd pop in and say good morning to you all.

I may not be around so much over the next few days (mostly due to being back at work), but will try to keep up.

Looks I missed the fun yesterday. Had to sleep and stuff. Ah well.

Btw, check out the audio clip on my blog profile. :)

and don't forget to send me your money shots (LOL).

Diss gave me a better url subdomain for that site but it's not up yet so it's still at the old location

I haven't even watched the last 3 clips yet (and wont do until I get back from work) so can't really comment on things just now.

9/06/2006 02:14:00 AM  
Blogger DiggityDirge said...

someone got it!!!

9/06/2006 02:21:00 AM  
Blogger Mick said...

354g8, but i wasn't the first to get it.

9/06/2006 02:23:00 AM  
Blogger Dt7 said...

Eh? 354G8 has given me the OUDW clip again...

9/06/2006 02:25:00 AM  
Blogger Mick said...

yeah same here

9/06/2006 02:27:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

354g8 -- "We need not take anymore lives than is absolutely necessary." We've seen this one before. Surprise!

9/06/2006 02:27:00 AM  
Blogger Joe said...

Yeah, I got that hand-raising guy too... something is screwy in HE world

9/06/2006 02:28:00 AM  
Blogger biotronx said...

hahahahahaha


wow tptb find new ways to mess up every day!!

9/06/2006 02:29:00 AM  
Blogger DiggityDirge said...

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9/06/2006 02:32:00 AM  
Blogger DiggityDirge said...

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9/06/2006 02:32:00 AM  
Blogger Gavin said...

wow that is one enormous error from TPTB... we should probably expect to see it mysteriously change in HE of its own accord at some point when they put the correct video in its place.

9/06/2006 02:53:00 AM  
Blogger Gavin said...

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9/06/2006 02:56:00 AM  
Blogger arnezami said...

since this new code is #65 and oudw is #56 this is probably just a typo and easy to fix.

9/06/2006 02:58:00 AM  
Blogger Fenris said...

LOL. Just logged in from work (no one else is here. typical, that won't last though). Seems TPTB are jealous of my comedy act and are trying to do their own again. :)

Anyone remember the Monty Python De Ja Vois sketch?

9/06/2006 03:01:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

For anyone who is interested, Ixalon is blogging in real time while on the Manchester glyph hunt. Here is his blog:
http://manchesterglyph.blogspot.com/

9/06/2006 03:12:00 AM  
Blogger punchy sue said...

Hey! I would have posted my glyph find first here, but the server was down. I guess it really wouldn't have helped since it's a glyph we already have! Someone messed something up - AGAIN!

9/06/2006 03:24:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Man,

Wow lots going on whilst I slept! Well this certainly seems to verify the theory that TVM is planning on stopping the population from reaching the point in which the valenzetti equation comes into play.

So it seems the plan is to wipe out 30% of the population. Clearly vacinating 4.2 billion people is not viable and neither is targetting 1.8 billion specifically.

So either he has a virus that has a 30% mortality rate, although this might still destroy civilisation if say 70 or 80% actually get sick. Or he has a virus that only affects 30% of the population, is there a trait or genetic marker that 30% of the population have. The obvious one is O+ blood.

The virus is then used for those people that have the gentic marker/trait or whatever but you need to save. Hanso employers, Nuclear technicians, the owner of your favorite deli, you mother (does TVM have one of those? )

I wonder if the sickness is a prototype of the virus tested on the Island. The 'good' ones represent the 70% naturally imune to the virus. Those that are not imune have to take the vaccine. But why are our losties not ill - well 70% should be OK anyway but remember the Dharma food drop. It was full of Apollo bars - could these be vaccine full Apollo bars. And who could resist a lovely Apollo bar. One bite and your virus immune!

it is also interesting that after I mentioned the similarity between "The Numbers" and the Fibonacci numbers, Speaker mentions this on his blog and states that valenzetti attended the Fibonacci institute!

9/06/2006 04:13:00 AM  
Blogger HansOz said...

Is it just me...or is the "student" raising his hand in the 354g8 sound EXACTLY like our Admin David? Does anyone know if that's him?

9/06/2006 04:13:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

Dark Angel,
How do we know he wants to kill 30% of the world population?
So far we only know about his Sri Lanka island activities.

9/06/2006 04:16:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Hi Oodles

I am taking this from the fragment that says "The optimal mortality rate is 30%. Our operatives at the Vik Institute have verified this figure."

I am assuming therefore that this is the percentage by which the population needs to be reduced by to avoid the total destruction predicted by the Valnzetti equation without destroying civilisation.

It sounds possible, we survived the Black death in the 14th Century with a higher mortality rate.

9/06/2006 04:27:00 AM  
Blogger Monday Lad said...

dd/twinkle - Thanks for the help last night guys, but the xml/stats page doesn't work for me, there's no scroll and the list of users is horizontal - perhaps it's cus I'm on a Mac and using Safari.

Stacker - Yes BIIIIIG King fan, read and own all. especially love the DT series.

Sorry I didn't reply straight away it was almost 2am here in the UK!

9/06/2006 04:27:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Hi Monday Lad

So the virus that Hanso is producing - could it be similar to Captain Tripps?*


*For those of you not familiar with The Stand - Captain Tripps was the virus that wiped everyone out.

9/06/2006 04:37:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

HansOz said...
Is it just me...or is the "student" raising his hand in the 354g8 sound EXACTLY like our Admin David? Does anyone know if that's him?

I think only David can answer that but I would be very suprised!

9/06/2006 04:39:00 AM  
Blogger Benito said...

Monday Lad, right-click (or ctrl-click if you have a single button mouse) the page and then click "View Source". You should be able to see the information that way.

9/06/2006 05:01:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

The real fragment is working now. "When the deaths begin, you must comfort everyone with compassion and empathy."

9/06/2006 05:19:00 AM  
Blogger boyo81 said...

where does the new bit go? i'm havvinh loads of trouble figuring this all out now, wish they'd just release all the other glyphs and be done with it. bring on series 3

9/06/2006 05:35:00 AM  
Blogger Benito said...

Goes right in between 748l and 307l97bdb9.

9/06/2006 05:36:00 AM  
Blogger Rissy5959 said...

So I have been thinking that maybe the point of the virus is not to kill 30% of the population randomally, ie those not immune, but instead to kill those with certain genetic predispostions to "bad" things, like violence. "must hit certain genetic targets" There is a genetic component to a lot of our behavoir and by eliminating the "bad ones" this will prevent the VE from being fulfilled. This would also explain why they have to kill the correct number of people. If "good people" die then they can't save the world. If not enough "bad" people die then the world is still going to heck. a lot of this has already been brought up I just think that the virus might be specific to those with violent tendencies.

9/06/2006 05:37:00 AM  
Blogger boyo81 said...

damn lostpedia! right, i'm listening to you now, lostpedia can go jump

9/06/2006 05:38:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

dark angel,
hmm, don't think so. I reckon right now he's talking about 30% of the villagers on the island in Sri Lanka (which is horrible enough) but as to what he intends to do afterwards we don't really know except to take the bodies on board the ship and do a 'full genetic work-up'.
I think he might isolate the dead, then go back to the survivors, isolate antibodies to the virus, use those to manufacture a vaccine, vaccinate a chosen segment of the world population and then unleash the virus on the world. Yikes. Maybe not. Pure speculation on my part.

9/06/2006 05:44:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

rissy5959,
he said "we must hit precise genetic targets we have engineered into the virus", so I'm not really sure whether the 'targets' are a certain section of the population.

9/06/2006 05:47:00 AM  
Blogger Rissy5959 said...

oodles, Yeah that is what I think he is saying. that THF created a virus to hit certain genetic targets. Or if THF is giving them a vaccine then the people might have already been latently infected with a virus. then the combo of the virus and the vaccine will cause just the "bad" ones to die. I understand the whole ;too many people so lets just bump off of a few idea. But I think that the THF is tring to get rid of just the "bad" ones. this ties into the show better. But since we are social animals and capable of more than just what our genes program us to be. by targeting only those with genetic tendendices to bad, then they will kill a lot of innocent people as many people could overcome a predisposition toward violence or they haven't done anything bad yet. It takes free will and choice out of our hands. thus THF=evil

9/06/2006 06:01:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Hi oodles

Its difficult to tell but if he is talking about Sri Lanka surely the reason he needs 30% mortality in the villager is becase that is the figure needed globally.

Rissy5959 -

We had a discussion about this yesterday and the problem is there is no single cause for agression, anti-social behaviour etc. The idea of an agression gene is attractive but could not be further from the truth. I won't repeat my previous comments here but I have a background in genetics and a degree specialising in animal behaviour so I talk with some authority. Behaviours, especially in humans are highly comlex and ultimately are as a result of thousands of genes all of course with multiple fuctions elsewhwere. On top of this you have the influence of upbringing, culture, experience, culture, peer pressure etc etc.

It is certainly in theory possible to target a virus which will only effect individual with a specific genetic marker but not to a virus that only affected people who behaved in a specific manner.

I still think that this is far more about reducing the global population by 30% to prevent the apocalypse predicted by the Valenzetti Equation. The chances are at some point we will have an epidemic at somepoint that will do this anyway (Avian Flue, Ebola Renton?). it is a classic population model - a poplulation grows to a point where it can no longer support it self and then crashes due to a combination of starvation and disease. In small isolated population diseases are self limiting, the village or colony is killed but thats it. In our modern world a virus could spread across the world in weeks.

IMHO the Hanso Foundation are simply speeding up the inevitable in a controllable manner. Wipe out 30% of the Worlds population, solve the problems. You just ensure that those perople you really need - maybe 1000, 4400, 144,000 - I'm not sure.

9/06/2006 06:02:00 AM  
Blogger Benito said...

Another fragment was just released.

9/06/2006 06:03:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Rissy5959 -

Just read your latest comment - I like the theory that the Hanso Foundation are evil beacause they are wiping out those with the potential to be bad ignoring the fact we can all overcome this.

I just have a problem with the scientific viability of this - but then again I guess that could be I suppose true for a lot of lost.

9/06/2006 06:07:00 AM  
Blogger arnezami said...

LIVE coverage here:

http://manchesterglyph.blogspot.com/

9/06/2006 06:09:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

I assume the fragment is the one from the Manchester Glyph hunt

9/06/2006 06:10:00 AM  
Blogger arnezami said...

The glyph:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4407/3467/0/image-upload-21-752933.jpg

9/06/2006 06:21:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

The Manchester Glyph has been found - but no codeyet -

check out http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4407/3467/0/image-upload-21-752933.jpg

9/06/2006 06:21:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

Ixalon's glyph looks like streets, yes?

9/06/2006 06:22:00 AM  
Blogger Rissy5959 said...

dark angel, i also have a science background, immunology to be precise, so don't get me started on the bad virus premise. i know my theory is silly in real life but since hollywood thinks that Ca chelators kill vampires,DNA can LOOK human, and T cells make antibodies, (Blade, mission to mars, X-files) I pretty much just leave my brain off when dealing with them. I get too mad otherwise.

9/06/2006 06:28:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Hi Matt

I think you have it - it is a map with the location of the three parts of the code.

On a side note for some reason my companyies software seems to block your avatar and website from view. They obviously consider you subversive or dangerous! ;)

9/06/2006 06:29:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

rissy5959 -

You're right I'm probably giving the writers to much credit.

So if you're theory is right - which as you have pointed out fits in with the general direction of the show - if I'm a little bid bad do I get a little bit ill? :P

On a more serious note - is that why our Losties are not ill - they have all made mistakes but they are all basically 'good' and hence they have a chance to redeem themselves.

God that sounds all to Christian for my liking 'Redeem yee sinners or be dammed'

9/06/2006 06:38:00 AM  
Blogger arnezami said...

google

9/06/2006 06:38:00 AM  
Blogger Rissy5959 said...

yes DARK angel, you will get a slight chill ;)

9/06/2006 06:39:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

arnezami said...
google
9/06/2006 06:38:29 AM

Wait a minute, that's just a guess of mine. I can't guarantee that's the right answer.

9/06/2006 06:42:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Phew Rissy - that's ok I was worried about full on Plague ;)

Arnezami - nice one - I was too lazy to look

9/06/2006 06:44:00 AM  
Blogger arnezami said...

credit goes to Matt the Pale for that one.

9/06/2006 06:45:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. Party Boy said...

I appreciate the link of where to find the clues, but could guys at least ATTEMPT to make it some what coherent. Go HERE, then go HERE, then follow the link to HERE. Come on guys try and make your recaps a little more in depth please and explain how the clues were found.

9/06/2006 06:45:00 AM  
Blogger Rissy5959 said...

well, off to drive for 12 hours. have fun with the hunt!!

9/06/2006 06:48:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Urgh... good luck Rissy hope your journey os traffic free

9/06/2006 06:55:00 AM  
Blogger Gavin said...

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9/06/2006 06:58:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

Ixalon has three

9/06/2006 06:59:00 AM  
Blogger Sleepy said...

was it where we suspected I wonder....

9/06/2006 07:00:00 AM  
Blogger R2K said...

: )

9/06/2006 07:01:00 AM  
Blogger The Lost Bird said...

So are we assuming that #66 is the one the other girl blogged about being in the UK?

9/06/2006 07:04:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

The Lost Bird -- Not assuming! We know for a fact it's the same one, because Ixalon is there on the scene, and he now has THREE codes, so he's the one who found #66 in Manchester!!

9/06/2006 07:06:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

So what are the codes, where did he find them, etc? Sorry, i've been out fo the loop for a week or two, i'm not even sure where everyone is looking for them anymore.. lol

9/06/2006 07:07:00 AM  
Blogger Benito said...

We haven't been informed yet. We would have the code by now, but he didn't save his sequence for some reason.

9/06/2006 07:10:00 AM  
Blogger Makin said...

http://www.hansoexposed.com/player/c105e3ec262de293eca73fb88ea73266
Perfect Order (65 Fragments)
Copy and paste in your navigation bar.
^^

9/06/2006 07:11:00 AM  
Blogger punchy sue said...

What board does Ixalon usually post on?

9/06/2006 07:17:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

punchy sue -- ITE and Unfiction. His blog, however, is here:
http://manchesterglyph.blogspot.com/
He hasn't updated it yet, but no doubt he will very soon.

9/06/2006 07:20:00 AM  
Blogger Benito said...

The code is 2ng39z.

9/06/2006 07:29:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

Did anyone ever answer my question yesterday?

I found that the name of Jonah's 'Map of The Lost world', converted from numbers to letters, gave me "HELRPACHEL" which as you can see says "HELP RACHEL". Was this significant or not? Maybe just Jonah or Speaker messing around? Or something we've missed?

Nobody answered yesterday, so i'd like to know if anybody's discussed this previously.

9/06/2006 07:29:00 AM  
Blogger Grimlock said...

Fits between 4ho and vou8vpnps5x?

9/06/2006 07:37:00 AM  
Blogger jonahadkins said...

i was just messing around....

9/06/2006 07:38:00 AM  
Blogger MakoMK said...

Hmmm - it's Mittelwerk saying, "This inscrutable equation keeps bringing us back to the numbers". What do you reckon - is he referring to those numbers?

9/06/2006 07:47:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Hi Guys

back from lunch - could someone let me know what the video fragment says - no audio at work
:(

thanks

9/06/2006 07:48:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Wow Makomk - you read my mind

thanks

Could be he is referring to 'The Numbers' or it could be the numbers of people who need to be eliminated

9/06/2006 07:50:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

Jonah, thanks for clearing that up.. lol

Here's my sequence so far;

http://www.hansoexposed.com/player/6b0a07e441ba2d1dc68958b896411a5f

It includes the latest glyphs.

9/06/2006 08:02:00 AM  
Blogger jonahadkins said...

Time for a new post..???..Clue 130???

9/06/2006 08:07:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

David is in Dallas though and It's only 8am there so he may not be able to update the Blog

9/06/2006 08:11:00 AM  
Blogger punchy sue said...

I just wanted to thank Dennis for getting the screen shot (W/ an actual camera) of the Kimmel mug. Although I did watch the show, I could only get 3/5 of the code and 1/3 of that was wrong. So thanx Dennis! You got me somewhere I never dreamed of - on the leader board (whatever that's worth)! I know it means I could finally give something back to TLEC, another representitive leading the pack!

Congrats Ixalon on #3. Now that takes some dedication!

9/06/2006 08:18:00 AM  
Blogger Benito said...

I have a feeling that instead of the bars giving us the virus, they're giving us the vaccine. Just a feeling though, just a feeling...

9/06/2006 08:21:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Good Morning Losties!!! WOW!!! What a busy 24 hours!!! 4 more codes until this is over...YAY!!! Great Job to all of you who find these codes!!!

9/06/2006 08:23:00 AM  
Blogger Grimlock said...

Morning, Prime!

9/06/2006 08:26:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

After watching the entire sequence again, I have a few questions which are been bugging me....

1) According to Hugh McIntyre, the DHARMA Initiative was scrapped in 1985. In the HE.com sequence Alvar Hanso says "In 1965, 13 years ago.." which places the time of the DHARMA orientation video as 1985.

2) How do DHARMA fail? And why continue with it so long after it's failure?

3) What does the Island have to do with the equation? We know there are ties (on the Blast Door Map there are references to Valenzetti).. But I just don't understand the connection..

I'd like to know what your theories are :)

9/06/2006 08:27:00 AM  
Blogger Gavin said...

Dark Angel:
He had better be talking about "the numbers" in Lost otherwise I'm not playing anymore!
We need some sort of payoff and we all started playing this game beacuse it promised information about the TV show. Plus the abc press release said we'd know by the end of TLE the meaning of the numbers

9/06/2006 08:28:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

Grrr, another thing.

If LOST is 'just a TV show' in the universe of TLE, then how could the producers know about the Valenzetti equation, the numbers, the island, etc? I'm sure MtP could answer this.. hehe

9/06/2006 08:33:00 AM  
Blogger Gavin said...

PeaceAndNamaste:
1) The cuban missile crisis was in 1962, which places the video in 1975
2) It sounds like dharma's job was to change some of the equation's factors to change the end result, the date of the end of the world, but as it kept coming back to the numbers every time, it failed... thats the way it sounds to me at the moment, I might be proved wrong by another fragment!

9/06/2006 08:33:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

I imagine Hugh was lying about the DHARMA Initiative being scrapped in 1985.

My thoughts are the Island is used as a location away from the World where DHARMA can carry out what research they want in total privacy.

I think the Island is also an area where things can be tested - the sickness, remote viewing, old smokie, the polar bears.

9/06/2006 08:36:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

punchy sue said... I just wanted to thank Dennis for getting the screen shot (W/ an actual camera) of the Kimmel mug. Although I did watch the show, I could only get 3/5 of the code and 1/3 of that was wrong. So thanx Dennis! You got me somewhere I never dreamed of - on the leader board (whatever that's worth)! I know it means I could finally give something back to TLEC, another representitive leading the pack!

You are welcome! I'm glad someone from here was able to get it (if it wasn't going to be me :)

I just couldn't stay up any later to wait for HE to catch up.

Congratulations!

9/06/2006 08:37:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

gavin, oops!!! I don't know how I came to 1985 from 1962+13, lol... My bad :)

Yeah, that's the angle I was seeing it from. The island and DHARMA were researching into how to manipulate the end result of the equation, and they kept coming back to The Numbers.

After reading MtP's theory I think this is right. It looks like DHARMA was meant for this purpose, but failed, so now they're trying something else.. Perhaps they're going to more extreme lengths to manipulate the equation, such as releasing a disease into the population and then curing it..

9/06/2006 08:37:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

I wonder if DHARMA tried to manipulate the variables in the equation but shied aweay from the most obvious but least favourable variable to alter - the worlds population.

It is possible that this is what caused the split between Hanso and DHARMA. TVM was prepared to kill 30% of the Worlds population whilst DHARMA and perhaps Alvar Hanso were not.

9/06/2006 08:39:00 AM  
Blogger KlikMaster said...

HAHA on WIA.com someone has just photoed their bar with an oracle, but didnt put the oracle code in! :p

9/06/2006 08:39:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

dark angel

It seems to me like DHARMA and The Island were set up to be to used to research ways into manipulating people and other effects that would have an effect on the end result of the equation.

However their methods failed, as the end result was always the same (ie, the numbers), no matter what the variables were.

Now TVM is planning to use more aggressive methods to try and altar the end result, thereby literally saving the world from destruction. Perhaps the numbers signify a date, time or place that they've discovered means the world is going to end pretty soon, and so TVM is willing to use whatever means necessary to stop it.

9/06/2006 08:44:00 AM  
Blogger Benito said...

We still don't know what the incident was, which I hope will somehow be revealed in some sort of flashback, if only to make it more dramatic.

Also, 70% of the world's population wouldn't be too far off of 4,815,162,342 people.

9/06/2006 08:47:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

Edit: Dark angel, your theory makes sense.. In the video when they mention the figure of '%30' is it exactly clear as to what he's referring to? I don't quite remember

9/06/2006 08:48:00 AM  
Blogger dixxee said...

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9/06/2006 08:48:00 AM  
Blogger MissMegs said...

whoa.

9/06/2006 08:49:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

PeaceAndNamaste said...
If LOST is 'just a TV show' in the universe of TLE, then how could the producers know about the Valenzetti equation, the numbers, the island, etc? I'm sure MtP could answer this.. hehe


The simplest answer is that the Hanso Foundation had a hand in the creation of the television show LOST.

9/06/2006 08:49:00 AM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

peaceandnamaste:

1) See Gavin's comments above.

2) DHARMA "fails" because either the work gets interrupted (i.e. through one or more "incidents") or because either DHARMA scientists or THF decides that simply altering variables in the VE only delay the inevitable. I'm guessing it's probably more interruption than failure, but I also believe that TWM is very dissatisfied with the delay tactic.

For some time now, I've been saying that his goal is to speed up the process of "solving" (satisfying) the equation in a calculated manner with minimum collateral damage. The most recent evidence continues to point towards this: 30% of some population (the village? the world?) is going to be killed off for some ultimately beneficial "for the greater good" sort of purpose.

As for why DHARMA seems to have kept going: I believe some elements presented in the Lost Grand Theory, such as the Others = renegade DHARMA scientists, the original initiative has been drastically changed or suspended, and the fact that someone has been recruiting former military and/or intelligence personnel to maintain minor operations on the island, possibly with the intention of at some point re-taking it from ex-DHARMA personnel without damaging or destroying any valuable research materials or special conditions of the island. This is the only explanation I can think of that would explain why the food drops continue to come, why there's the modern washer and dryer in the Swan, and so on. I'm still dying for details and I'm sure we won't know until season 3.

3) It's possible that the island target in the ARG = Lost Island, but it's seeming less and less likely now due to the fact that we know that the island target is inhabited by some indigenous people(s). What's the connection to Lost Island? One thing's for sure: that's where the DHARMA initiative was carried out. That's pretty relevant, don't you think so?

9/06/2006 08:49:00 AM  
Blogger MakoMK said...

I wonder if there's more to it than just killing a certain percentage of people. Mittelwerk says "It is not fair that innocents have to die so that we can perfect this virus", which sort-of implies that all the people killed once the virus is perfected shouldn't be counted as innocents IMO. (BTW, I just noticed this in the description of an episode of The 4400 I just recorded: "A member of the 4400 is deliberately passing on a plague in an effort to purify humanity." Nice coincidence ;-)

9/06/2006 08:52:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

benito -- interesting idea... 70% of the current Earth population is 4579635649.

9/06/2006 08:54:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

PeaceandNamaste

I think you are right, The Others are the original DHARMA team. They have split from HANSO. The question is wether they are still working to find a way to save the world

or

are they just trying to create a society to survive the end of the world. Is this the reason they need more people, just to make their society viable, they are however picky. they are not prepared to take people who would decide their fragile little society.

I wonder if Desmond knows more than he let on, thats why he asked if the World is still out there. He knew DHARMA had failed and assumed therefor ethe world had ended.

Was the button somehow linked to a method of trying to change one of the other variables hence Desmonds claim of Saving the World

Anyway I need to go to a meeting - "Claimks Philosophy" - yes it is exciting as it sounds.

9/06/2006 08:55:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Morning Grimlock! I love how we have all of these transformer names and avitars!!!

9/06/2006 08:57:00 AM  
Blogger capcom said...

Dark Angel;

That's good, so that would make (in Fenry's eyes anyway) Dharma people = The Good Guys, and TWM people = The Bad Guys. I.E., the reason why Fenry replied to the Lostie's question on the dock, "We're the Good Guys." Fenry thinks that the Dhamra people are the Good Guys because they tried to solve the equation problem via humane methods, and TWM's "Phase 2 Radical Action", is not doing it humanely, as you said.

9/06/2006 08:58:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

Mr. Party Boy said...
I appreciate the link of where to find the clues, but could guys at least ATTEMPT to make it some what coherent. Go HERE, then go HERE, then follow the link to HERE. Come on guys try and make your recaps a little more in depth please and explain how the clues were found.

Sorry Mr. Party Boy...I had a hard enough time understanding how/where all four pieces were found let alone crafting a legible post in bed, half asleep at 1am! I tried to clarify it a little this morning at 5:30am when I got up to check updates on the Jimmy Kimmel code. Since then I have made further edits. Sometimes, we've just got to give you guys the links and let you have some fun figuring it out on your own. To explain long glyph hunts like that would make for some REALLY long posts and we like to keep them brief. Sorry to disappoint you.

9/06/2006 09:03:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

Everyone,
I was "all-in" yesterday but today I have to focus on some work stuff. Sounds like the latest fragments are confirming/sharpening the excellent discussions from the last thread. Just wanted to cheer you guys on and say "keep up the good work" and also say that I'm excited about going to the Apollo Candy event in Dallas tonight to meet some of you guys in person!

9/06/2006 09:05:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Hi Capcom

I really must get to that meeting, but yes I agree -

I think that the Others may be the good guys - although I am not sure about the Ethan /Aaron thing though.

Our Losties though are not the purest of the pure - half of them are responsible for at least one death - Kate, Jack, Sawyer, Anna Lucia, Boone, Sayid etc

right 3 o'clock I'm off

Namaste

9/06/2006 09:07:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

dark angel, capcom, excellent points.

Dark angel, I really like the idea of Desmond and the Others deciding to remain on the island in order to continue society (at least their society) after the world has ended. Obviously they would know (or assume) the world had ended because it was they who were trying to research ways to prevent it from happening at the time the Equation predicted it would.

That idea really does tie in to the attitude of The Others and the way they describe people as Good or Bad. If they had been DHARMA researchers then they may believe the idea of 'purifying' humanity, as makomk put it.

However this doesn't quite fit, as the arrivel of the LOSties would surely tell them that the world had not yet ended. Perhaps they know the exact or approximate date of the end of the world, and the rest of this idea would still fit.

Edit: Hey Admin, don't worry.. The rest of us think you're doing a great job! :P

One more thought.. Perhaps the Others are interested in the 'Good' because they are still trying to continue the research of DHARMA, long after the Hanso Foundation abandoned the project due to lack of any signifcant result. If they are still researching it somehow, then perhaps a part of their research includes theorising how 'purifying humanity' (by saving the Good and eliminating/excluding the rest) would effect the end result of the Valenzetti Equation. :)

9/06/2006 09:11:00 AM  
Blogger capcom said...

Yes, the Dharma people seem to have lost their way as well over time (if our theories are correct). But I think that Fenry, et.al., still believes that compared to the TWM-driven phase, they are the Good Guys.

Although, this does not explain why the old Dharma people seem to have TWM's vaccine. Perhaps both teams are on the island at the same time and working at cross purposes? Thus why the Dharma people might be in hiding, maybe from the TWM team?

Aw heck, I dunno. :-) Can't wait to find out!

9/06/2006 09:15:00 AM  
Blogger capcom said...

P.S. Agreed, Admin, you are doing a great job!!! Nothing wrong with using the K.I.S.S. principle in this very complicated wild goose chase! :-)

9/06/2006 09:18:00 AM  
Blogger BarbaraJay said...

I definitely had the impression that the Island Dharma people had been infiltrated by the military, either government sponsored or paramilitary.

9/06/2006 09:20:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

David - I am all in today unless I get super busy at work! Go take care of bussiness I have it covered if need be. I have my doubts we will get much more today, but you never know....

9/06/2006 09:20:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

GOOD MORNING TLEC!!!
Cool, we're almost done. Just wanted to say what's up...
WV-KISDAY...Kiss Day, right on!!!

9/06/2006 09:21:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

My spin on the Others:

I think it's pretty obvious that the Others are the former DHARMA scientist, but how can they possibly know about Mittelwerk and his current direction?

According to McIntyre the DHARMA Initiative was scrapped in 1985, however we also know from other sources that all those who worked on the DHARMA Initiative were never seen again.

Given the sensitive nature of the project, THF intentionally isolated the DHARMA scientists from the outside world to perpetuate the secret.

However the DHARMA team have continued their work all this time, but the isolation has warped their perspectives and work into a Doomsday cult, an almost fanatical religion trying to prevent the end of the world: under DHARMA they were good guys, and they still are.

And with no contact with the outside world, how can they possibly know of Mittelwerk's direction and approach?

9/06/2006 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

Perhaps the original researchers on the Island were there under false pretences. They may have believed they were there to research certain things, when in actual fact the whole thing was an experiment into how to effect certain variables in the Equation.

This may explain the existence of the Vaccine, which people have theorised isn't actually a vaccine at all, and may explain why certain of the hatches relate to other hatches in strange ways. For example, the one hatch which had the purpose of spying on The Swan, when in fact that hatch was being monitored too.

I think the Others were originally under the impression that they were there to research the Valenzetti equation, when in actual fact they were the research. Perhaps due to unforseen circumstances (an 'incident') they were left there when DHARMA was disbanded. If they have been there since way back in the 70s (is that possible? i'm not sure of the timeline precisely) then perhaps they are the indiginous people TVM is referring to in the HE.com video.

Meh, i'm probably way off, but I like throwing ideas around :P

9/06/2006 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

shakey, you just summed up the general idea of what I was trying to say.. Thanks, and great theory! :P

9/06/2006 09:25:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

Also, one point I missed:

The Others don't have Mittelwerk's vaccine because they have not been exposed to Mittelwerk's virus.

Mittelwerk's virus/vaccine programme is seperate research from the closed DHARMA project.

9/06/2006 09:25:00 AM  
Blogger capcom said...

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9/06/2006 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger capcom said...

Sheesh, and BOTH teams think that they are the Good Guys, just because they are making the attempt to save the world.

"We're the good guys!", "No, WE'RE the good guys!"

One thing puzzles me in our theories though, how is it that in real-time, TWM is just now getting his virus out, and the Dharma Island Team (via our show in 2004-time) already has one? Maybe the Dharma team did have a faction working on this solution, and TWM's just ticked off that it took them too long to perfect it because they were trying to be humane about it. Perhaps they are still injecting themselves with their vaccine that really didn't work as well as TWM's?

9/06/2006 09:33:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

Perhaps the DHARMA island was also being used to create/research the virus, and the 'incident' referred to on the Blast Door Map was somehow related to it. The virus may have been accidently released into the islan's population, hence the reason for the Others remaining on the Island long after the DHARMA research has ended.

This would also explain why food is still being dropped onto the Island.

9/06/2006 09:35:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

capcom:

The answer to your question is obvious:

The Others/DHARMA team DON'T have a virus.

Mittelwerk's virus programme is operating in 2006. Unless we're told otherwise, the Others are operating in 2004, 19 years after they were shut down and have gone mad ever since.

Whatever research they did and have continued since doesn't include bioengineering. The only hint at bioengineering we've seen is whatever was inside that injection Desmond and Aaron have taken, but as that's part of the DHARMA supplies it's likely that's not involved with research, more a placebo/control system to keep the DHARMA team in check.

9/06/2006 09:39:00 AM  
Blogger DiggityDirge said...

Good Morning all,

Glad to see TBTP fixed the Kimmel code, and looks like the UK thing is going well.

9/06/2006 09:51:00 AM  
Blogger FYSB said...

Question for those of you who are more familiar with the frags than me...we lack four fragments at this point...how many gaps do you think we have left in the Mr Beardy and TWM sections of the video?

I'm curious to find out if any of the frags left will shed more light on Rachel's capture and escape.

-still hoping to validate my "Saved by a Chocolated Crazed Joop" theory-

9/06/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

shakey, remember that we still haven't seen many parts of the island. And due to what we've seen on the Blast Door Map, it could be possible that there is or was alot happening on the island that we don't know about. Research into bioengineering could easily be one of them. It could explain the presence of a virus/vaccine in LOST and also could be the catalyst for TWM's use of a virus in 2006.

9/06/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

If anyone wants to see the videos from the Lost - Season 2 - Best Buy Exclusive DVD, they are on YouTube:


On Location 'The Other 48 Days'

On Location 'What Kate Did'
Hidden Blooper
Deleted Scene from 'Everybody Hates Hugo'
Deleted Scene 'Scissors'
Deleted Scene 'Good With Kids'

9/06/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger Kylelane said...

I am on board with Dark Angel and Benito. As soon as I saw the latest frag I calc'ed out that 4815162342 is 26% below the current world pop of 6542341037.

It makes a lot of sense that the numbers would be the maximum human pop that the earth can support. First of all, I can see an equation having that result. And it's so much simpler to explain on TV than, say genetic targets (my previous theory!).

It also makes the DI/THF divide a little easier to explain. DI perhaps wanted to figure out how to manipulate the environment so the earth could support more people. But TWM doesn't have the patience and prefers to just cull the population.

The open question is what is the nature of the virus? Is TWM just targeting some genetic market present in 30% of the pop as an expedient way to prune back (as suggested by Dark Angel)? Or is he going for a more selective approach?

9/06/2006 10:03:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

peaceandnamaste:

Granted, there is a lot of the island we've not seen and I hope that we'll get more of a "tour" to complete the blast door map in season 3 before the story focuses on...

** SPOILER FOR US UK GUYS **



...Jack, Sawyer and Kate's escape from the Others...



** END SPOILER **

...but to be honest I don't think we're going to. Not enough was made of the blast door map IMO for it to become a plot device or indicate that we should know more detail about the island - apart from a few seconds in the black light and Locke trying to redraw it, we've not had a close enough look for most people to remember it. Obviously it's been presented in enough quality for dedicated fans to sit down and recreate it more clearly for the rest of us fanatics, but I really think it's going to be this ARG that fills in the gaps and gives detail on DHARMA, not the show.

To that end, I'm more inclinded to believe that viral approaches to altering the VE factors are the domain of Mittelwerk and 2006 technology, not the antiquated approach and fanatical warping of DHARMA/the Others.

Just my opinion.

9/06/2006 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger Shakey said...

fasten:

I'm convinced we have at 2 Hanso fragments missing which only leaves 2 left for Mittelwerk.

Judging by how I've pieced together Mittelwerk's portion I think 2 is accurate, but it would be nice to have one fragment clearly showing Rachel breaking away from her captors - it certainly looks like she wriggled out of something denim (here's hoping it's her jeans *perve* it looks like them) and got away, but we know she's safe anyway because she launched this site and was at ComicCon.

9/06/2006 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger FYSB said...

Thanks Shakey. Perhaps we'll never know how she escaped. Not sure I'm ready to see her racing around in her bloomers. I would like a clip of TWM recognizing her and saying "I can't believe it's you! How dare you betray us?"

If anyone is interested in the Manchester glyph hunt, Nickb123 is posting an overview of the search here:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/User:Nickb123/manchester

9/06/2006 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger boyo81 said...

Ok, here goes.

There are a lot of good theories about 'the numbers' being banded about, but there are a few problems with some of them. The one about it being a population percentage, or a date seem good enough, but why would it be written like it is (4, 8, 15 etc) instead of the way it would usually be written (48,151,62 etc)?
Also, while these theories might explain one part of them, it doesn't hold up when they are considered in the context of the show itself, such as the numbers being on the broadcast, and Hurley using them to win the lottery. Unless a) THF controlled the lottery in a ridiculously complicated plot to get hurley to take a certain flight, b) it's all in his head or a dream, which I think would be a bit of a cop-out and I seem to remember has been discounted already, or c) it's just a massive coincidence, which is just stupid, I think it's safe to assume that there is some element of the numbers that we haven't found yet.

Most elements of the show have been explained in at least some way by now, such as the sightings and the smoke monster, which have been at least alluded to on the blast door map and by Rousseau, but so far I don't think that there is a sufficiently watertight theory for the numbers. And it's annoying the bejesus out of me.

There. Rant over.

9/06/2006 10:25:00 AM  
Blogger Rufio said...

I still think the numbers are the end result of the equation, but, I think it's possible it's actually the date and time of the end of the world. april 8th, 2015, at the 16th hour, 23 minutes, and 42 seconds

9/06/2006 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

shakey, I disagree. The Blast Door Map is going to become more crucial to the story line in the next series. We're left with Locke frantically trying to recreate it - there must be a reason for that.

Kylekane, I love your theory! It's probably the most accurate theory that any of us have come up with so far, lol..

However, if the DHARMA island was investigating the Valenzetti Equation and was only coming up with the numbers, and now TVM knows that the Numbers mean the exact number of people that the planet can safely sustain, then why would he have referred to the DHARMA Initiative as a 'failure'? Surely it was a success? Or perhaps the island and DHARMA were set up to explore the [i]meaning[/i] behind the numbers.. After a long time of no results they gave up, and since then other research has given them this true meaning. As a result they've decided to release a virus into the population to 'trim' the population..

One thing i would like to know, though.. We're thinking along the lines that Mittelwerk and his crew are going to be releasing a virus into a group of people somewhere.. This might be true, but haven't they already done this!?

Remember way back when RB was hacking THF.org, and we got to see some correspondence between certain doctors within THF and it's subsiduaries. I don't remember the details exactly, but the general idea was that some sort of virus or disease had been released into a population (I think in Sri Lanka also) and that THF were responsible. Later on another letter is seen to retract all responsibility from THF, which we know was a cover-up because the person who originally made the allegations was replaced by none other than *forgot the name* (it was on of the top guys in THF, im sure someone will remember his name, it might have even been Mittelwerk himself).

Also in the HE.com sequence Mittelwerk says something along the lines of "they think they will be getting the cure" when in actual fact they will be gettign the virus. This implies that they are infected already.

So how does this all tie in?

9/06/2006 10:27:00 AM  
Blogger dixxee said...

Dennis - Can you message me on my blogger email? Would like to meet up at the Lex event if possible...

Thanks

9/06/2006 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger Paw said...

Rufio said...

I still think the numbers are the end result of the equation, but, I think it's possible it's actually the date and time of the end of the world. april 8th, 2015, at the 16th hour, 23 minutes, and 42 seconds


I think, with Valenzetti, Hanso, Mittelwerk and almost everyone else involved with the numbers, being non-americans, it's more likely to be 4th August 2015 @ 16:23:42.

9/06/2006 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

I'm not a mathematics major, but I don't see how it would be possible for an equation to spew out a string of integers that would be the numerical equivelant of a date... How could that happen?

9/06/2006 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger boyo81 said...

it doesn't fit I tells ya!

9/06/2006 10:35:00 AM  
Blogger Sam said...

A wizard could do it.

9/06/2006 10:36:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Has anyone been to tone of the apollo events that also had an Acura event along with it? How did it go?

9/06/2006 10:36:00 AM  
Blogger boyo81 said...

so could superman. probably

9/06/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

The "Numbers" most likely, and this makes it VERY complex, have more then one meaning or significance. Depending on how the 4815162342 numbers are strung together, they could point to:
The depopulation amount
The Beginning of the Dooms Day Equation
The actual Isle Location
and several others

When we learn (as promised by TPTB) the meaning of the numbers by TLE Game conclusion, it may only be ONE part of the overall solution.

We thought it was complex before...it may become more so...soon....
http://users.newblog.com/thinbluemime/?post_id=9633

9/06/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger dixxee said...

PeaceAndNamaste said...
...the person who originally made the allegations was replaced by none other than *forgot the name*

Peter Thompson...

9/06/2006 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

Remember back in the first season, we found out that the radio tower on the island was originally broadcasting the numbers over and over again? Could that have been part of one of the experiments, or the Dharmas attempt to broadcast that information off of the island? Maybe they discovered the numbers onthe island, and were trying to get that info to Hanso when Rousseau took over the tower.

9/06/2006 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

PeaceAndNamaste said...

"I'm not a mathematics major, but I don't see how it would be possible for an equation to spew out a string of integers that would be the numerical equivelant of a date... How could that happen?"

I already have, and without plugging my research anymore, the above link explains in part the date of March 4, 1948, and how it easily converts from 4815162342 via a Julian Day Conversion Chart

9/06/2006 10:47:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Hi Guys

Catching up after returning from my meeting .

Some very good points, I'm torn between the numbers being the optimum population figure and the date. But it could be both, what if the numbers were a kind of universal constant. A bit like the Fibonacci sequence (the golden ratio) which shows up all over the place. So it could be the numbers are not only essential to the Valenzetti Equation but also appear naturally in all sorts of situations.

I think more likely that we will never find out why the numbers appear everywhere and that it just TPTB messing with us.

9/06/2006 10:48:00 AM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Belly -

I'm heading out to the Acura event TS, but have a meeting at 1pm so I can't come back to report anything... If you're around and want to call before 1pm EST (10am PT), then go for it.

9/06/2006 10:51:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

thinbluemime, i've read aout that efore, and tried it myself. Every 'Julian Day Convertor' or Julian Date Convertor I have found always gives me the same result: 5th August, 1318

Can you please show me or link me to how/where you came up with March 4 (oh, thats my birthday lol)1948? Thanks :)

9/06/2006 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger boyo81 said...

I kind of got the feeling watching lost that EVERYTHING had a meaning, so if the numbers have many purposes then I think that they will be shown. it doesn't make sense for the producers and writers to spend so much time and effort concocting this story for it to then not be totally explainable at the end. If they did that I think that the majority of people would get very annoyed.

9/06/2006 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

I think the numbers appearing everywhere within LOST is just a way for the producers to convey to us that they are significant in some way... Like dark angel said, a plot device. :)

9/06/2006 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Marcus: Just got in... will do! Have fun! :)

Everyone... good morning! 4 more glyphs ppl... EXCITING! Reading through the comments to get caught up now.

9/06/2006 10:58:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Well Guys I'm off home - I'll check in later

Looking forward to the London Glyph hunt tommorow - pity I don't still work in London d'oh

9/06/2006 11:00:00 AM  
Blogger capcom said...

Boyo81......I kind of got the feeling watching the X-Files, that everything had meaning...then in the end, they explained very little and copped out with the Mayan calendar date for the end of the world. I certainly hope that Lost doesn't end like that, and that TPTB make the effort to tie up the loose ends that they've thrown out in the show, the way a good mystery writer should.

9/06/2006 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

Morning belly0fdesire. We're just debating the significance of The Numbers (what else? lol), and how they may fit in with LOST, DHARMA, the HE.com sequence, and the ARG as a whole.. :)

9/06/2006 11:03:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

Man, I want to shoot HE.com right in it's freakin head. It just screwed up all my glyphs...ARRRGGGG!!! Well, cack to the drawing board...

9/06/2006 11:04:00 AM  
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9/06/2006 11:06:00 AM  
Blogger Atem Ra said...

The blast door map was safely hidden away up in the celling, so I assume Locke will pull it down and Desmond, Eko, and Locke will have it to explore, maybe not, but I must point out that "?" was really the day before the one we are currently starting with in the premire of season 3, so the last thing we did with Locke and Eko was to follow dreams and be led to another station. "we wait for further instructions", Locke and Eko are not done exploring the island and locating the "?" (question mark) which is what his brother said he must do, but he did say there will be obsticles along the way. In this dream the Swan station shook, I believe that was Yemi telling eko if the swan gets destroyed keep going, keep looking. Also not positive, maybe I should go watch it again, but does Yemi say, "The work being done here is important Eko", but doesn't say the swan station, maybe he meant the island in general. Anyway, just some thoughts.

9/06/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Blogger boyo81 said...

capcom - oh man please don't let it be like the x-files! it'll be in series 247 and jack will have left and been replaced by another doctor, no one will understand what is going on, and locke will get strangled (prob by me) for continually telling everyone that will listen about 'his destiny'.

Yeah, the x-files ended really badly, but my housemate has just bought all the videos and insists on watching them allin order. he hasn't seen all of them, and I have to shit there with my mouth shut and not scream 'it's rubbish and nothing happens!'

9/06/2006 11:14:00 AM  
Blogger boyo81 said...

i mean to say sit, sorry for swearing, typo

9/06/2006 11:16:00 AM  
Blogger capcom said...

Boyo81, that was too funny about characters being replaced, etc.! :-)

9/06/2006 11:19:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

PeaceAndNamaste said...

"thinbluemime, i've read aout that efore, and tried it myself. Every 'Julian Day Convertor' or Julian Date Convertor I have found always gives me the same result: 5th August, 1318

Can you please show me or link me to how/where you came up with March 4 (oh, thats my birthday lol)1948? Thanks :)"

Yes, go here 1st:
http://www.tesre.bo.cnr.it/~mauro/JD/

Reverse the "numbers" to get 2432615184
Add a decimal to stay within the Julian Day Date conventions:
2432615.184

And your results will look like this:
http://lostdude.com//lostpics/March41948JulianDay_4815162342Capture.jpg

I will be away from the keyboard for a while, work beckons.....I hope this clears up some confusion. Also there are other Julian Day conversion sites, I have tried several, following the above process, and March 4, 1948 is the end results.

9/06/2006 11:20:00 AM  
Blogger mightybk said...

Here's a theory i thought of while trying to pretend to work -

The Others are *not* the original scientists for Dharma. Here's my thinking:

The scientists that saw the original orientation movie back in 1975 were sent to the island to come up with a way to change the parameters of the equation. I believe that when they got to the island, they 'recruited' test subjects to carry out their experiments. These test subjects were shown movies (circa 1980) that features Marvin Candle, one of the original 1975 scientists.

Somewhere after 1980, either thru death or being taken away in 1985 as per P. Thompson's history, the original scientists left the island, leaving the 'test subjects' to themselves. Once they started looking around the island and finding all the hatches and other 1980 films, they decided to take up the Dharma initiative themselves, thus the cult-ish feel of the Others.

Agree? Disagree? Thoughts?

9/06/2006 11:20:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

lol boyo, i'm not a big fan of toilet humout, but you almost made me spit my coffee all over the monitor.. :D

I hope that doesn't happen either.. I don't think it would really be fair to imply that these numbers are really significant and then just give us the "they're significant because they mean nothing" answer. :(

9/06/2006 11:21:00 AM  
Blogger boyo81 said...

there is of course the 'dallas school of endings' to think about, I hope JJ abrams realises that people may well hunt him down if they cop out with the explaining.

9/06/2006 11:28:00 AM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Dennis: thank you for posting the links to the "exclusive" best buy vids... great stuff...

David: Have fun at The meet tonight! I'm sure allotta Texans are just as excited to meet you! As sad as it is, I've been here, all day, almost everyday since the beginning of May (that rhymes)... so no worries about coverage...

Thrasher: glad you're here today :) I can breath a little easier. But I still don't wanna be counted out for these last 4 glyphs, so I'm sure I'll be around too.

9/06/2006 11:30:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Morning all: Some great, thought-provoking discussions (as usual) re the meaning of it all!

Here's my take in a very short version: Alvar had the VE which predicted the "exact" date of armageddon. Sets up Dharma to prepare humanity for this event...very hippy-like vision of an uptopian, Shangra-La society emerging afterwards. But somehow things begin to go wrong and the Dharma scientists don't like where Dharma is heading with THF. TWM takes over THF and has a much different vision than Alvar realizing that the variables in the VE can be manipulated. Funding cut off for DI and scientists remain on the island in isolation thinking maybe armageddon did take place and they are left to re-inhabit the world. Are surprised and suspicious when the Losties arrive. Meanwhile, TWM, with the "new" Hanso Foundation begins to manipulate the variables of the VE towards their own purposes: population control, tribal wars, organ harvesting (leading to life extension), etc. TWM seems under a time pressure to get all this going (although why Rachel is taking such a long time to get this video out is beyond me). He is trying to control the variables with the "thinning" of the population via this genetic engineered virus/vaccine. He plans to set up a new Dharma Initiative on the island (most likely the LOST island) to survive the aftermath of armageddon and be in control of the brave new world.

This is a simplified rendition of my thoughts, and there are probably a lot of holes in this, but I wanted to get in my 2 cents into the discussion. Thanks.

9/06/2006 11:32:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

Mightybk-I like that theory...
BTW, All of them are good, his just stuck out...

9/06/2006 11:34:00 AM  
Blogger boyo81 said...

maven, that all sounds good but if the DI had all it's funding cut and stuff, why is there still food drops?

9/06/2006 11:35:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

Mightybk, good thinking. If the Others were the original scientists on the island, then that would beg the question who were their subjects? At least some of the research on the LOST island (if the LOST island does infact exist in the ARG world) was studying human behaviour, the evidence for this being The Swan hatch, and the hatch deisgned to monitor The Swan. So it would make sense that there were originally two groups of people, the scientists and the subjects. In fact there may have been more than two groups, as some things indicate certain people believing their actions are essential when in fact they are just for research purposes.

I like the idea that the LOSTies are the DHARMA scientist's test subjects. There are other scenarios that I can imagine, but we could speculate on this forever if given the chance.. lol

My theory is that the 'incident' referred to on the Blast Door Map was the accidental release of some sort of virus into some of the population of the island. This led to the scientists being evacuated or leaving, and the test subjects were left stranded on the island. That may explain vaccines/food being still being dropped on the island.

It may even be that the 'incident' was staged by the HF, viral agents were released on purpose and the results were monitored from a location away from the island.

9/06/2006 11:47:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

boyo81: I warned you there can be holes! LOL The way I can explain the continued food drops is that since, according to Alvar, these were set up in perpetuity, nobody got the memo to stop them! That's the simple, silly answer.

However, maybe THF knows those scientists were left behind, but since Radzinski, Kelvin and Desmond are still maintaining the Swan hatch through the years, they kept up the food drops, until they decide what to do with the island and all that they invested in the construction on it. (Another simplified answer)

9/06/2006 11:47:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

maven - I agree with a lot of what you're saying (especially the idea of Dharma as a bunch of hippies - I have ALWAYS thought that!), but here's another take - when Dharma didn't like where HF was heading, they pulled away deliberately, and kept working on the solution on their own. Maybe Hanso made a point of ensuring that the food drops would happen in perpetuity for a reason - this way, Dharma could fly under the radar, without continuous funding.

I also think that the Others were not at all surprised by the plane crash. With the speed with which Goodwin infiltrated them (and presumably, Ethan as well), they must have been prepared. I don't know how, but it would seen to be too much of a coincidence that they could have their people in the right place at the right time otherwise.

WV: gabwoks.... chatty, gossiping ewoks?

9/06/2006 11:48:00 AM  

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