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Clue #133 - Fragment Code "PGVPE4EC"



Fragment Code, "PGVPE4EC" has been found on Rachel Blake's European Holiday blog. It was found by viewing the source code of her blog and discovering a string of picture files (.png). It was deduced that these file names needed to be added to the main blog url, giving us various pieces of the final glyph. Here are the pieces of the glyph:

http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/They.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/say.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/that.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/everything.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/happens.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/for.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/a.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/reason.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/I.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/wish.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/I_.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/could.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/believe.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/that.png

If you put all these pieces together, you'll get this picture of the final glyph. The video fragment is of Mr. Beardy (Okay...Alvar Hanso) saying, "Valenzetti assigned numerical values to the core environmental and human factors of his equation, 4,8,15,16,23,42."

Great job to TLCM, DazzedElf, Justin and Dennis for being the first to email this clue. And a HUGE THANK YOU to Matt the Pale for his (now famous) Fragment Code List.

501 Comments:

Blogger Dennis said...

First!

9/08/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Crap I cheated and I was not first!!!

9/08/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger LockeBox said...

Third! Yea!

9/08/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

top 5!!!

9/08/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger LockeBox said...

Blast! I was fourth! Oh well, my best yet!

9/08/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

EXPLANATION

If you go to RachelBlake.com and "select all" (CTRL-A), you will see tiny little boxes scattered in the margins up an down the page. Each little box is a link to a glyph.

The glyphs spell out:

"They say that everything happens for a reason. I wish I_ could believe that_"

9/08/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

Man, can somebody just tell me where this one goes. I want to get this stupid vid together on my HE.com. Obviously you guys have the whole video together, So please someone tell me, Thanks...

9/08/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger rhettoric said...

the movie is done!

9/08/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

In your face, CHEATER!

9/08/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger LockeBox said...

So, does this mean the numbers stand for the factors? Like 4 corresponds to nuclear warfare and 8 for famine, etc, etc?

9/08/2006 09:55:00 AM  
Blogger InEnglandAndLost said...

I feel so empty

9/08/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger katlevosb said...

Do we have to each of us put the video together to move to the next quest???

9/08/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger Dr No said...

Top 20?

9/08/2006 09:57:00 AM  
Blogger Vitruvian Man said...

top 20! Because I can.

9/08/2006 09:58:00 AM  
Blogger Dr No said...

Re-posting from the last comment board:

Hanso: "only by changing the environment...will we be able to give humanity a chance to survive..."

Could Mittlewerk's acceptance to manipulate the human side of the equation be the falling out between him and Hanso?

9/08/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Top 20?

9/08/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger Tiu Brunow said...

OMG..GLYPH HUNT IS OVER....

9/08/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger LockeBox said...

So, does this last glpyp go in spot 23 (after RXMHJH9Y - "His results are chilling, and attention must be paid.")?

9/08/2006 10:00:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Dr No - I think you have hit the nail on the head

9/08/2006 10:00:00 AM  
Blogger cyberyang said...

I wonder if we will be treated to something else today.

9/08/2006 10:00:00 AM  
Blogger sire316 said...

Thank goodness it's over! I'm a little disappointed that nothing amazing happened when I finished my sequence. I thought it might at least play continuously without all those red blips. Ah well.

Have to wait for Saturday morning to see what DJ Dan has in store for us...

9/08/2006 10:00:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

vitruvian, i posted this in the previous section in response to your question.

vitruvian: my take on it is the numbers are a means of weighting certain factors. thus say, the spread of disease has a weight of only 8 in the overall equation, but the number of dictatorships has a weight of 16. what will be really interesting is how they explain this to the non-arg players? math is not traditionally one of the things that draws viewers in.

anyone else have thoughts on this?

9/08/2006 10:00:00 AM  
Blogger FYSB said...

dr. no, i think that is a very interesting observation.

i think rachel's choice of words for her hidden pictures is kind of sad. maybe she needs an apollo bar.

9/08/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger lostmyid said...

ryan...

http://www.hansoexposed.com/player/6a4d96dc3bdf5ea748d14b581c038faf

9/08/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger Vitruvian Man said...

Also from previous board:
So the numbers "represent" the core human and environmental factors according to Mr. Beardy's explanation, so Valenzetti used 4 8 15 16 23 42 instead of say alpha, beta, etc. Am I reading this right? So something like this could be gleaned: "4 represents the population of the earth, 8 represents the presense of nuclear arms, etc." I am just crazy?

oxillini said...
vitruvian: my take on it is the numbers are a means of weighting certain factors. thus say, the spread of disease has a weight of only 8 in the overall equation, but the number of dictatorships has a weight of 16.



Interesting take, oxillini, but I wonder why he wouldn't say "assigned weights to the core values" or something he just said gave numerical values for the core factors. Either way I'm glad this part is OVER!

9/08/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

i also agree that the key difference between trying to change the environment and humanity caused the falling out of twm and hanso. i also think the environment term may be meant to encompass sociological issues, not just the physical environment (i.e. trying to increase tolerance of different races, not just changing the weather, etc.)

9/08/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger Vitruvian Man said...

Wow, ox, we are good : )

9/08/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger Scott said...

I believe that it goes between "rxmhjh9y" and "xqgrmh", which if it does, and my sequence is correct, then this newest clip falls into the 23rd slot...kinda funny...I guess.

9/08/2006 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger fgradel said...

Top something...

9/08/2006 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger Vitruvian Man said...

Yep, I totally agree that TMW is going to try to alter the human factors since, as he put it in the video, trying to change the environmental factors (Dharma Initiative) failed.

Pretty cool.

9/08/2006 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger dizzy said...

So I guess TWM thinks that by introducing a virus to the world, it will change some of the numbers enough to make a difference.

9/08/2006 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger Lost In Portugal said...

oxillini: I think you're probably right, but the numbers can also be the true numerical values of those factors. It's hard to tell whithout knowing what the factors are, how they relate to each other, etc, etc...

Is this the end of phase 3? Or it's reasonable to wait something more about the Numbers from whereisalvar?

9/08/2006 10:05:00 AM  
Blogger Dr No said...

well, i just checked wia.com...no changes. I guess we wait til dj dan tells us what to do tomorrow morning...

9/08/2006 10:05:00 AM  
Blogger lost & confused 2 said...

Is Dj Dan tomorrow or the 23rd???

9/08/2006 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger Dr No said...

my bad, its the 23rd

9/08/2006 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger Dr No said...

guess i just wanted it to be tomorrow

9/08/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger ChopsShaw said...

OK, this kinda sucks, I thought we were gonna get the meaning of the numbers.....

Scott and lockebox..here's what I have and mine seems to flow perfectly..
http://www.hansoexposed.com/player/aa1ee7be05cd8cc1c2a56a4153a3c019

9/08/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

also, i think the meaning of the numbers is kept intentionally vague. if tptb gave very specific meanings for the values (i.e. 42 is the number of biological weapons divided by the number of nations posessing them, etc.) the community would instantly rip them apart. there would be long-winded debates on what constitutes a biological weapon, etc, etc, etc. as it is, tptb said "the numbers are part of the equation and that's that, get it?"

9/08/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

If anybody cares, here's a full-size version of the new glyph;

http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/3400/glyph70finishedzo9.gif

I was in the middle of piecing it together when it was uploaded to TLEC. No matter how fast you do something, there's always someone who can do it faster. That's the curse and the blessing of the intrawebs.. lol :)

Any idea where this last frag fits into the sequence?

9/08/2006 10:10:00 AM  
Blogger LockeBox said...

So, are we supposed to believe THF are good guys? Good guys that do bad things for good reasons?

Granted, this video is straight from THF. Of course, it's going to have the pro-THF slant.

9/08/2006 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger dizzy said...

Yeah peaceandnamaste, I was still pasting it together when it got activated.

9/08/2006 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger LockeBox said...

peaceandnamaste: segment 23, between "rxmhjh9y" and "xqgrmh".

9/08/2006 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

so, regarding twm changing the human factors, what if his project in sri lanka, "the virus" inherently alters human dna. that's what viruses do, right? so 30% of the population can't handle the changes and perish. the other 70% are in some way altered but survive. the changes made to their dna somehow alter humanity. we all become shiny happy people. oh, and we all drink sprite and talk on verizon cell phones while driving our jeep compass or, for the wealthier, acuras.

9/08/2006 10:14:00 AM  
Blogger FYSB said...

I think we have to keep our eyes open today. She told us that we needed to find the video and put it together. So now that we've done that, surely she's going to tell us what to do next.

THE SRI-LANKA VIDEO, IT'S THE POISON AND THE CURE.

IT'LL BURN A HOLE RIGHT THROUGH THE HEART OF THE FOUNDATION.

9/08/2006 10:14:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

I agree that the environmetal factors cover a whole raft of disciplines, and that is what DHARMA was doing on the island - looking at changing all the variables except the untouchable one - population.

Is that why they transmitted the numbers - while they transmitted 4,8,15,16,23,42 Hanso knew they had not exceed. If they heard 4,7,15,16,23,42 they would know that they had suceeded in changing one variable (and by how much) . It is far more subtle than broadcasting that you have just altered something pretty significant.


Once the transmitter had been hijacked by Danielle Hanso/DHARMA comunicated this by other media - Manipulate the lottery - everyone would see that for example - don't know how they would do this from the Island though unless they were using remote viewing or remote manipulation

Alternitively somehow the transmission of the numbers and the magnetic field had somehow dropped the numbers into the human subconcious so they just kept popping up.

9/08/2006 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger Benito said...

*Sniff* It's over... No more glyph hunts.

9/08/2006 10:17:00 AM  
Blogger Lost In Portugal said...

oxillini: Maybe giving specific meanings for the values would be "too scientific"... Even so, they could have given us something more, like, "the numbers are recurrent values in the history of mankind" or something like that. My problem with this "explanation" is that it gave us no clue of why Dharma used this numbers as the swan restart code or why they were broacasting them from the island. If the numbers "are bad", why using them?

But I really think they should tell us something more about the hieroglyphs. Are they variables? How do they relate to the Numbers? What do they really mean?

9/08/2006 10:17:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Any idea on what we are supposed to do now?

Rachel did say that when there was enough people on WIA that there woudl be more info. So do we have to wait until all the events are done?

I am still going tomorrow...who is with me?

9/08/2006 10:17:00 AM  
Blogger MegaPrime33 said...

I'm really curious to see what's next in the game, now that the video is complete. I wonder if we'll ever see Hanso

9/08/2006 10:17:00 AM  
Blogger dante said...

anybody else see on the site monitor that Rachel Blake's page just updated again? Is there anything else new, or is that from this morning fragments?

9/08/2006 10:19:00 AM  
Blogger Princechuck said...

Wow, I feel like this whole thing reminds me of real life work. Work work work and in the end, the paycheck really wasn't worth it at all. Did anyone NOT know the numbers were part of the equation? For some reason I think the whole thing of....do all this work and we'll give you a free candybar kind of sums the whole experience up.

9/08/2006 10:20:00 AM  
Blogger tapdawg said...

so are we to assume that DJ Dan will be at the same recording company like last time?

9/08/2006 10:21:00 AM  
Blogger LockeBox said...

Anyone else's case of glpyhilis clearing up now?

9/08/2006 10:21:00 AM  
Blogger Dazzedelf said...

HI IT'S ME RACHEL BLAKE. SORRY I'VE BEEN AWAY SO LONG BUT I FOUND ALVAR....ALVIE. HE HAS A REALLY POSH PLACE HERE AND I'M TOTALLY DIGGING IT. SO I FOUND OUT I WAS COMPLETELY WRONG ABOUT THE HANSO FOUNDATION. YOU SEE THEY PAY REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, WELL. AND THEY HAVE AWESOME HEALTH BENEFITS. PLUS THEY ARE HIRING ALL OVER THE WORLD. SO IF ANYONE GETS SICK THEY CAN JUST GET A JOB WITH THE FOUNDATION AND THEY WILL BE CURED. OH ALIVE WANTED ME TO TELL YOU ALL THAT TOM HAS THAT PONYTAIL BECAUSE HE LOST A BET AND THE PONY TAIL IS A REMINDER THAT ALVIE OWNS HIM AND THAT TOM WILL ALWAYS HAVE A LEASH.

NAMASTE,

RACHEL BLAKE

9/08/2006 10:22:00 AM  
Blogger FYSB said...

I would suspect that now that we know the "truth", that THF will have no choice but to fight back.

My guess is that they bring back their website and start a PR campaign attacking Rachel's credibility.

Expect Joop the Amazing Talking Orangatan to appear on the next episode of Grey's Anatomy.

9/08/2006 10:22:00 AM  
Blogger Heather's Brain said...

I haven't posted in a while, just been lurking. So this part id over BUT what about WiA.com...it will reveal even more, right???

I am so confused with all this equation talk. MATH!? To quote my favorite commercial right now..."I was told there would be no math!"

Great job to all you who CAN...and to those of us (okay, ME) that just sat and waited for YOU to get it all....THANK YOU!

9/08/2006 10:23:00 AM  
Blogger Lost In Portugal said...

dark angel: I like your theory of broadcasting only the numbers instead of "OMG! We just saved humanity!". So, in your opinion, they would broadcast different values once they managed to change them?

But... why using them in the hatch? Why restarting the system every 108 minutes?

9/08/2006 10:24:00 AM  
Blogger capcom said...

Dark Angel; that's a good thought about the purpose of the transmission of the numbers, i.e., changing the transmission only when the numbers changed. That would also be in keeping with the rule of never contacting the outside world....assuming that was a real rule, and not just for the subservient hatchies....so they could announce their success, without announcing their whereabouts and endangering the rest of the research, if someone heard the transmission....which some did.

See, we don't need no stinkin' TPTB to tell us what it all means! :-)

9/08/2006 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger FYSB said...

Hey dante, the update you just noticed...was it to rachel's travel page or stophanso? does the site monitor show two separate updates at two separate times?

9/08/2006 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

well, if you want a password easy to remember, how about the very reason you are on the island in the first place. placing the numbers everywhere drives home the reason the scientists are there.

9/08/2006 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Lost...

See my post above yours about the reason for transmitting the numbers.

Basically they transmit the numbers - it's just another number station.

But if they change a variable the numbers change in the transmission and THF know what DHARMA have achieved.

AS for why they had to input the numbers to release the magnetic energy my guess is uit was an inn joke by bored DHARMA programmers.

9/08/2006 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger Vitruvian Man said...

lost said...
But... why using them in the hatch? Why restarting the system every 108 minutes?



Maybe the "protocol" was originally to actually type in what the most recent values you have observed (but since the DI failed, everyone kept just putting in 4 8 15 16 23 42 until it became the "new" protocol). Just a theory

9/08/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger dante said...

fysb: 'Rachel Blake' (her travel page) listed as updating at 06:22, 07:16, and 08:10. That was like 12 minutes ago. It could be a glitch I suppose.

9/08/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger FYSB said...

thanks dante.

9/08/2006 10:31:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

dark angel, vitruvian: i think we have a pretty good hypothesis for what's going on with the numbers. i think the numbers showing up elsewhere, like the lottery, is a tip of the cap to the "23" conspiracy. that is, if you're looking for the numbers hard enough, of course you can find them. heck there are only ten digits, right?

9/08/2006 10:31:00 AM  
Blogger AmbientBlu said...

::gasp:: I'm commenting.

dark angel, I *do* like your theory, but my only concern is why would they need the code to relay their success or lackthereof? Didn't Alvar say in the video explaining the transmission tower that they were broadcasting in an encryption and frequency known only to them?

Would the DI have encoded the factors for the broadcast on the off chance that someone intercepted the message?

Not trying to put you on the spot, just wondering aloud ...

9/08/2006 10:32:00 AM  
Blogger ChopsShaw said...

OK, but if they are trying to change the numbers, then how will the losties, or anyone else know they have changed the numbers when they have been instructed to enter those exact numbers, ie what would happen if they did enter 4,8,13,16,22,42??

9/08/2006 10:32:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Nice one Oxillini

Yes easy way remember what numbers to input , especially when your on your own at 2am in the morning.

9/08/2006 10:33:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

well, the encryption could be as simple as "only we know what the numbers mean"

9/08/2006 10:33:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

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9/08/2006 10:33:00 AM  
Blogger TheBookPolice said...

princechuck - do all this work and we'll give you a free candybar kind of sums the whole experience up.

Now that's funny.

9/08/2006 10:35:00 AM  
Blogger NiteSea said...

oxillini said...

well, if you want a password easy to remember, how about the very reason you are on the island in the first place. placing the numbers everywhere drives home the reason the scientists are there.


Ox, I couldn't agree more. I think it was designed to serve as a constant reminder that their work was helping save humanity (they may not have even been told how pushing a button was serving such a lofty purpose, but the ominous meaning of the numbers was enough to keep them in line). In the beginning all the DHARMA lackeys working at the Swan would have known what the numbers meant. They got more obscure as time went on because somewhere along the line people came in from outside DHARMA who didn't understand their significance.

9/08/2006 10:35:00 AM  
Blogger s1n said...

Here's a thought: the other day someone suggested the "others" were old test subjects left behind by the Dharma researchers... whether or not this is exactly true, it's apparent they know a thing or two about Dharma and the numbers. And even at the end of season 2, we're still left wondering what EXACTLY is special about Walt.

Well, here's a posulation: Walt has the ability to alter his environment (see season 1 and 2 anomalies like the dead bird, the polar bear--a theme for him-- and his reappearance in different spots). Dharma researchers apparently failed to change any of the values of the V-Eq (see Mittelwerk in the Sri Lanka video), so Hanso is convinced they have to take radical action... apparently, so are the Others. However, if Walt can change his environment, he could somehow effect the numbers

Of course, we're completely LOST (sorry guys, coudln't resist) as to how one measures the Valenzetti numbers, which could really help understand what is going on and what those numbers individually represent (and why they have to be ordered the way they are).

9/08/2006 10:36:00 AM  
Blogger howienight said...

hey here is a version of the final video up on you tube. It a lot quicker to load then going to HE.com. http://youtube.com/profile?user=timdorr

9/08/2006 10:36:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

Hmm... I'm really psyched that we've got the whole video. But didn't TPTB say that doing TLE won't be a prerequisite to understanding what's going on in LOST? But the HansoExposed.com video gives us the answers to some of the most fundamental questions in LOST; why was the island created, what were they doing they, what are the numbers, etc? I hope that after all this, they don't give us all the same information in LOST, or it'll make everything we've been doing in TLE a waste of time.

Again, i'm really psyched that we finally understand the significance of the numbers, the island, and everything else we've learnt from the HE.com video. :)

9/08/2006 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Hi ambientblu

good point about the encryption, but maybe Hanso just meant they were using the numbers beacuse we know Hurley's pal in the Santa Rosa Hospital picked up the numbers as did Danielle's team

9/08/2006 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger Vitruvian Man said...

Yes, I agree, oxillini - who else whould know what that meant (since Hanso was the only dude with the VE).

ChopsShaw said...
OK, but if they are trying to change the numbers, then how will the losties, or anyone else know they have changed the numbers when they have been instructed to enter those exact numbers, ie what would happen if they did enter 4,8,13,16,22,42??


That "protocol" was only after "The Incident" happened. Maybe they didn't want to continue to experiment at the moment or didn't want anyone from THF to come to the island or something - they just wanted to investigate it themselves, etc. That's why it's been the same numbers over and over (we haven't been able to alter it yet - nothing to see here).

9/08/2006 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Good morning all!
Dennis said...
EXPLANATION
If you go to RachelBlake.com and "select all" (CTRL-A), you will see tiny little boxes scattered in the margins up an down the page. Each little box is a link to a glyph.

Wow! you guys are so cool to know how to find this stuff. I never would've known to do that. I've learned so much about computers since playing this game (although I'm not real sure how this last skill will benefit me in day to day computer usage-hehe). Good job everybody. Too bad the reward wasn't more revealing...I mean we've been working on this video for 6 weeks and practically had it all figured out weeks ago. So I wonder what next? Hope we don't have to wait until WIA is finished-that would be way to much of a bummer.

9/08/2006 10:38:00 AM  
Blogger jj_jimmy said...

Found all the fragment codes now. So does anyone know what will happen when all the golden oracle bars are found?
What do we do with the codes from the oracle bars and do we have to wait till oct 23-06.

Ow so many questions!

9/08/2006 10:38:00 AM  
Blogger Gavin said...

PeaceAndNamaste:
Surely we will see this orientation video show up in season 3, otherwise you're right, non-TLE LOST fans will be missing out on important stuff

9/08/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Blogger Anne said...

Didn't the french lady say that the transmition was the numbers over and over again until she changed it to her distress call?

At this point, I, too, think that the password was just something they could remember and not something that then transmitted out again to the outside world. Thought with this show, who the heck knows?

So is this the end of act 3? Wonder what act 4 is going to be like. Hopefully more action like act 2. I mean, the film is interesting and all, but how long has this been going on now? Over a month? Time for some chases and kung-fu.

9/08/2006 10:40:00 AM  
Blogger Lost In Portugal said...

If the transmission was encrypted, how could Rousseau, Leonard and Sam Tooney understand it?

chopsshaw: Dr. Marvin Candle never said "enter 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42". He only said "enter the *code*". That protocol could be a way of telling other stations and the DI headquarters (wherever that is) that the Numbers were/were not changed.

About the incident... Maybe someone managed to change one of the values but didn't warned everyone.

Someway in the process people forgot what the original protocol was and kept entering the Numbers over and over...

9/08/2006 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger inatrancer said...

yeeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaaaa the final piece of the puzzle

good luck and namaste

9/08/2006 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

s1n, that theory was suggested in part by myself, shaky and dark angel. I think the most persuasive idea was that The Others aren't just scientists or test subjects, but a mixture of both. After all, they may have been there for years, since DHARMA seems to have been abandoned a long time ago, so it's natural that after a long time on the island, all groups would become one.

Yes, i'm still curious as to HOW the numbers represent, well, whatever it is they supposedly represent. I think we're going to get all the answers we can get on that subject though, as it is probably a mathematical impossibility, and TPTB would only create more problems if they tried to explain the numbers too precisely.

I'd still like to know how and why the numbers constantly reoccur everywhere. We know now why they were being transmitted on the island, and can hazzard a guess as to why they have to be inputted in the Swan computer (liek somebody said, probably just bored DHARMA programmers), but how is it possible that they were also Hurley's winning lottery numbers, etc?

9/08/2006 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger Scott said...

It has been said that this season of Lost will explain what the Others are all about..so it is very possible that "Weird Beard" (What is it with THF and Beards)will give a condensed view of the orienation video in some monologue, etc.

9/08/2006 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger reiss said...

I wonder if when the hatch was blown up, it changed one of the factors? Just an idea. I hope the next phase will be more exciting, even though the video was interesting, it's been what, two months, just to see the whole things.

9/08/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger Anne said...

Sorry. I may not have been clear. What I mean is that if the transmission was the same numbers over and over again, then instead of typing the numbers differently to change it, they would have had to rerecord the message to transmit.

9/08/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger capcom said...

Did anyone have any thoughts on why the mangetism had to be released by the DHARMies? If the island had special properties in the first place, and didn't need any releasing before the DI got there, why the need after? I assume because of "the incident", and events thereof eluded to on the BD map. But are there any thoughts as to why the change? For example, did the DI find a way to physically drain or manipulate the island's mag force, etc.? That one is still puzzling me. I hope TPTB will give us some info on the incident as well as the Others this season.

I'd also like for them to wrap up some of the Vincent and Walt questions, now that we won't see him and Michael for a while.

P.S., yes I've read the Lostpedia theories, but I like Tee-Lekkers' theories better. :-)

9/08/2006 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

I think that the DI tried to change one of the core values and accidentally chaged it in a very bad way. This is why the numbers must be entered, to stop the world from ending.

9/08/2006 10:46:00 AM  
Blogger Lost In Portugal said...

capcom: what if the electromagnetic energy has a strong connection to the Numbers and the fate of hummanity? what if controlling the island's electromagnetic power would be a good way of changing the Numbers?

9/08/2006 10:46:00 AM  
Blogger Gavin said...

Alvar mentions 6 things in the fragment CHOCOLATES:

"Nuclear Fire,
Chemical,
Biological Warfare,
Conventional Warfare,
Pandemic
Overpopulation"

Is this a coincidence? Or are these the 6 factors the numbers represent?

9/08/2006 10:46:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

One more thought (please forgive me if this has already been said)...

Perhaps the numbers being transmitted is a way for the people on the island to know if the numbers have been manipulated (don't ask me how, it might take a long stretch of the imagination), but entering the numbers into the Swan is a way for the DHARMA researchers to let the Hanso Foundation know of their success.

If the island was top-secret, the researchers put there were isolated from the outside world, and then the island, via some form of electro-magnetism or something, was 'hidden' from the outside world, then the DHARMA researchers would not be able to contact The Hanso Foundation if and when they succeeded. Entering the numbers into the Swan computer is a way of telling the system that they still don't have a result... When they enter a sequence of numbers different to the original sequence, then it sets off some sort of EM charge/pulse/whatever that then renders the island visible to the rest of the world. Hanso, via that remote monitoring station with the two Portuguese speaking guise, sees the discharge and knows that the DHARMA researchers have succeeded.

9/08/2006 10:47:00 AM  
Blogger Lost In Portugal said...

trasher76: But Desmond turned the key and the world is still there :D

9/08/2006 10:48:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

I think it's safe to say that they were only going to change the numbers if Dharma had any success - they were aware it could take years - it's not hard to rerecord the numbers for the transmission if you succeed in altering one of the factors.

So we have five numbers - weren't there five areas DHARMA were researching into - would each area of reasearch represent one of the variables to be altered?

9/08/2006 10:49:00 AM  
Blogger FYSB said...

following up on Thrasher etal...Maybe the failure of the Dharma Initiative was when they tried to alter the electromagnetism core value and they blew it. Now there has to be someone in the hatch, punching in the numbers, avoiding another incident. They used the numbers as the code since those numbers were the ones that the entire group was most familiar with.

9/08/2006 10:50:00 AM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Good Morning,

I missed it.

:/

I am very sad.

Catching up now.

9/08/2006 10:50:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Sorry 6 numbers - long day - can't count - almost time to go home

9/08/2006 10:52:00 AM  
Blogger FYSB said...

Question...the numbers being transmitted prior to Danielle's reprogramming. We don't know if the timing of the broadcast cycle coincides with 108 minutes do we? Danielle's broadcast was continuous, right?

9/08/2006 10:52:00 AM  
Blogger Passafist said...

So I watched the complete video!!! Very Interesting!! Can't wait to see what happens next!?!?!?!?!?

9/08/2006 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger Beana said...

Here's my prediction, They will be able to change the numerical value, however instead of prolonging human destruction, they bring the apocalypse even closer.

9/08/2006 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger Dazzedelf said...

If they bring the apocalypse closer does that mean they might pick up speed on the game or do we all die before act 4 starts?

9/08/2006 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger cyberyang said...

Beana- interesting theory.

9/08/2006 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger capcom said...

Lost; Yes, that's a good possibility. They obviously tried to use the island's power to do something big with their electromag project.

9/08/2006 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger Fenris said...

So....I'm at 100% correct so far on my final prediction and not been far off so far at all. What do I win?

It's an odd thing though, the whole basis seems to be that this doomsday, that date of which has not been revealed (which means it's either for later or for the series alone to answer), is so unavoidable that each individual factor involved, environmental and human constantly brings the equation to the same conclusion. This very much puts a FATE/DESTINY angle on the whole lost thing. We've all speculated that the co-incidences with the losties are not co-incidences and that they are being manipulated by Hanso or Widmore or whatever. But what this suggests is that it may be, simply, fate that is to blame for those influences. Which is an odd one because it means they are meaningful co-incidences. Synchroicity, as Jung would say. An inescapable desity is quite a big thing to work into a mythology.

Hmm. With Alvar being scandinavian, maybe he was a bit too quick to believe in Ragnarok. If you know what I mean. In Norse Mythology Odin spends most of his time fighting against the end of the world, but always finds there is no escape and deep down he knows that Ragnarok *will* happen. Funny how his story sounds kind of similar to Alvar. It's also interesting to note some of the things that Odin did were considered bad/evil things, but were always for the greater good (in his mind), although a lot of it ended up as self fufilling prophecies.

Of course the problem is Mittlewerk and not Alvar and we are back to the second part of my theory. I am not sure they could leave Mittlewerks evil deed as contraversially grey as it currently is. Although having said that, it would be in keeping with the Lost recurring theme of science Vs Faith. Maybe *we* will be given that choice in the end. Do we choose the science of the Valencetti equation and allow Mittlewerk to kill 30% of life on the planet to change the core values and theoretically save the world or do we stop him based on our faith in humanity itself and take the risk that the world could end. If we pick the former we will never know if we were right, if we pick the later, we'll know if we're wrong but won't have much time to live with our mistake.

But the problem is, either way, it doesn't make Mittlewerk evil. It makes him very strong in his own Faith *in* science. He is killing 3 people he believes will die anyway to save 7. If you are 100% sure that all 10 will die without action it would be very compelling. There has to be something more to it. Some extra motivation. I'm not so sure that they will say the equation is false, unless they are going to move right away from the numbers in the series. Unless it is just a minor mistake, or they reveal that the numbers *were* altered by an unforseen event on the Dharma Island (i.e. The Losties did it, but we don't know how or when (show past/future)). That would make Mittlewerk evil.

Anyway, overall what have we gotten out of the many weeks of glyph hunting? Was anyone really suprised by the final fragment? Wasn't really a big reveal as they gave the info to us in such a way that we always suspected what was due next and overall I think there is only three bits of info. 1) The relevence of the numbers, 2) The purpose of Dharma and 3) Mittlewerks purpose in Sri-Lanka. each of them by themselves are big reveals. But is it just me or would they have seemed more important/relevent had we just had them dropped on us like the DHARMA acronym reveal? Everyone was going "ooooh" and "wow" then. Not so much now and yet this is bigger.

I suppose the fact is we only have very basic info on either Dharma or the Numbers. We weren't told what the stations were or what actual research was going on on the island. Or we know is what the end goal of the research was. The numbers is perhaps more complete a reveal, yet we don't know the details of why a core factor of the world can be boiled down to a number. How can something like the human genetic code = 8? Very strange. The numbers are really the big reveal and they are interesting. But we were even told that this video would reveal info on the numbers before Alvar or Dave started talking about them. So..I dunno.

Anyway, the numbers seem tied with fate both here and in the series. Perhaps the Valencetti equation is wrong in that the numbers are right and do lead to the end of the world but they have nothing to do with with weather, genetics, or anything like that. The numbers represent and influence the sequence of events that lead a certain group of people to a certain island to cause the end of the world with their bungling. Heh, almost the oppositite of that other earlier thought. I guess we're at the stage where we are all looking much more to how this will effect the show and less to how this story will conclude. Not suprising with the change of focus through these chapters. Now hopefully they can try and draw us back into Rachels story.

9/08/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger TheBookPolice said...

gavin - I've always been pretty sure that Beardy is about to say "famine" at the end of that clip, but it was right at a break in the reel.

9/08/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger K.C. Farmer said...

Here's the video sequence that is consistent with the order provided over at http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Sri_Lanka_Video

http://hansoexposed.com/player/59ceb021ad4e06f8fc1bebb5a9f8a745

9/08/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger Fenris said...

I just want to say, 60 comments were posted in the time it took me to write that. ROFLMAO.

I think I need professional help.

9/08/2006 10:58:00 AM  
Blogger Beana said...

Dazzedelf - LMAO

9/08/2006 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

LOL Fenris. No just keep up the theories- they're good.

9/08/2006 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger LOST_DETECTIVE said...

There is still alot missing here. TVM only refers to the DI as 'failed'... as if its no longer active. He is working on changing a factor to control population. The TVM portion of the video gives us no help with the island.

9/08/2006 11:01:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

peaceandnamaste
That sounds pretty plausible.

I was also wondering whether THF perhaps only assumes that the DI has failed because Rousseau changed the transmission and said "they are all dead" or something to that effect. Rather than rushing out to the island to rescue any possible survivors and thus having to explain the whole thing to the world, in particular the (assumed) death of the best scientific minds of the century, they hire a bunch of ex-military guys who are used to follow orders without asking why and have them input the numbers to effect the electromagnetic discharge to keep the island and its story hidden from the world in perpetuity.

9/08/2006 11:01:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Great Post Fenris

It's time for me to go home now - but I'll try and log back in later tonight.

See you guys - great working out the truth with such an intelligent bunch of guys and girls.

Be back later

Namaste

9/08/2006 11:01:00 AM  
Blogger Benito said...

thebookpolice: You're right, I've heard "famine" a few times while playing the video. At first I thought I was just hearing things, but I heard it multiple times after that.

9/08/2006 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Morning:

Now what? Such a big buildup to this video being completed, and I feel that there are still so many unanswered questions (typical of TPTB) as evidenced by the comments so far. I still don't understand how a set of numbers being transmitted or entered in a computor can actually DO anything besides them being a code. Do we really now know the meaning of these numbers and what they relate to? More guessing and speculation. At least that's what makes the discussion here so intereting.

9/08/2006 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger s1n said...

This could be a challenge for the research blog, maybe trying to come up with possible areas the 6 numbers could stand for. Methinks it could be tied closely with all the different areas of science they mentioned in the Swan orientation video-- which, a quick YouTubing reveals, are meteorology, psychology, para-psychology, zoology, electro-magnetism, and utopian... whatever (sociology?). Six areas of research, six numbers. If they're in order, than the following numbers correspond to the following fields:

4- meteorology
8- psychology
15- parapsychology
16- zoology
23- EM
42- sociology

me thinks it would be wise of our smart geniuses over at the research blog to start looking for mathematical relationships between these numbers and themselves, or the fields they represent.

also, keep in mind these numbers have significance OUTSIDE of the island. I havn't been keeping a list, but I think I can remember a discussion as early as season 1 of where the numbers appeared in the lives of the Losties (the most obvious was Kate's reward of 23,000).

9/08/2006 11:05:00 AM  
Blogger LOST_DETECTIVE said...

Also, are we to believe that noone was officially sent to the island since 1980... Kelvin had to be sent there more recently than that to have run into sayid on the outside.

9/08/2006 11:07:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

Great theorizing, Fenris, keep it up. (I think we all need help ;)
You say:
If we pick the former we will never know if we were right, if we pick the later, we'll know if we're wrong but won't have much time to live with our mistake.
Sounds much like Locke's dilemma in the hatch...

9/08/2006 11:08:00 AM  
Blogger lilblondedude said...

I emailed this to the guys but I know that the earths magnetism is, in standard form, 42(10). This must be relevant to the magnetism element of this 4815162342 equation...do you think?

9/08/2006 11:08:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

LOST said...

trasher76: But Desmond turned the key and the world is still there :D

Exactly, The numbers shutdown the magnatron thing that the DI messed up while trying to change on of the core values. The turning of the key also shutdown the magnatron thing as a fail safe if the numbers did not get pressed or the PC was broken.

9/08/2006 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger K.C. Farmer said...

What next?... Perhaps there is more code to decifer from all of the letters and numbers in the glyphs. That could take some time.

In the end, it probably says something to the effect of "Buy a Jeep Compass, drink Sprite, and get a job on Monster.com."

Phase 4 seems to be the Apollo Bar thing. I guess when they get enough responses, they'll provide the next clue. To bad I didn't get one of those virus laden, save the world Apollo Bars.

9/08/2006 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger capcom said...

Yeah, what Fenris said! :-)

The one thing that would make TWM "evil" in your theory though, is the piece of info we got about him getting a complete blood change. Did he manipulate his own body to make absolutely sure that he would be one of the 70% that gets to live after the virus control is put into place, and thus leave the rest of humantiy to fend for themselves, a la The Stand? If he's only making sure that he himself doesn't succumb, and not giving anyone else the same chance, that's evil.

9/08/2006 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

I'm just waiting for someone to post the complete and in sequence video on youtube

9/08/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Blogger lilblondedude said...

***I think is it 42(10) in guass? But that is definately the amount of units***

9/08/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

Sin,
wasn't that particular YouTube video a fake?

9/08/2006 11:11:00 AM  
Blogger Lost In Portugal said...

Maybe the incident was just an information leak and now they have to keep pushing the button in order to keep the island a secret.

9/08/2006 11:11:00 AM  
Blogger lilblondedude said...

oodles...
I think he means when on the orientation video he mentions all the areas, not the fake all text version on YouTube.

9/08/2006 11:14:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

lilblondedude: what's with the (10) on the number? 42 microteslas is a possible average magnetic field intensity.

9/08/2006 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger Young Wallace said...

thanks to Timdorr for posting his complete video on YouTube.

9/08/2006 11:17:00 AM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

noble: you mean this?

Fenris: very well said, man... wow...

9/08/2006 11:17:00 AM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

young wallace: good morning... you beat me by 1 second...

9/08/2006 11:18:00 AM  
Blogger lilblondedude said...

42 (10) is the number of times you multiply 42 by, I was just so amazed when I saw that figure...a bit freaky.

9/08/2006 11:20:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

Sorry S1n, I was wrong, it's legit alright. There is a (very well made) fake one out there dealing with the different hatches and the work done in each.
The one you cite is legit.

9/08/2006 11:21:00 AM  
Blogger Gavin said...

s1n:
I think we have to take some occurences of the numbers in the show as just the writers playing with us, eg hurley (i think it was him) going past 6 members of a football team in the airport, guess what the numbers on the backs of their shirts were? This clearly has no influece on the island the hanso foundation etc, they just sneak it in whenever they can for fun
K.C. Farmer:
"Phase 4 seems to be the Apollo Bar thing. I guess when they get enough responses...", Number of responses is irrelevant by the way, it will reach 100% on the 20th of September regardless of the number of bars

9/08/2006 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger arnezami said...

Don't want to do a large post here.

Here is my partial theory.

9/08/2006 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger CattyGirl said...

Thrasher - what time are you going to be picking up your candybar tomorrow. Did you hear anything from the other RSVP people?

9/08/2006 11:30:00 AM  
Blogger capcom said...

I still have a problem with the whole changing the future premise, and I have trouble understanding why it has been so difficult for the HF/TWM to do so.

Every day we face an infinite number of possible futures for ourselves, and every decision we make leads us to any particular possible path to our future. Why have they not been able to change one bloody factor?

I understand how they might not be able to control a factor that involves say, an off-limits communist country's input. But in the free world, why would it be that difficult to make an iota of change to factors like poverty or other sociological areas? Isn't that what "government cheese" was all about? :-) (Not changing the numbers, just changing the number of hungry people)

9/08/2006 11:30:00 AM  
Blogger K.C. Farmer said...

The reference to Utopia may be related to Population Control.

Population Control could be changed in several ways. One way is to kill off a bunch of people with a virus. Another approach would be to evolve the populace so that they could live in areas of the world that are deemed unlivable.

The question is...

Has THF factored that changing the parameters of the Valenzetti Equation could have an opposite effect than what they intend to do? Changing the numbers could bring about the end of the world sooner rather than later. They didn't exactly say when the end of the world would be. To effect an equation, you'd have to know how to change the parameters.

Mathematically, it's all nonsense (yes, it's fiction), since you could have an infinite number of factors applicable to any equation. One of the more famous predictive equations that has been accepted by some politicians and world leaders, at the expense of the lives of the people they governed, was produced by Thomas Malthus. One of his principle ideas was that the human population rate, left unchecked, overcomes the food production rate. His calculation, however, didn't take into account new technology and improvements. In addition to that, empirical evidence shows that population growth is rarely exponential, as Malthus suggested, and the food production rate has increased at the same rate as the population (actually better when you consider the costs to produce food have gone down). In short, no mathematical equation can be written to show the complexity of population growth - one of the six apparent factors of the Valenzetti Equation.

The power of population is so superior to the power of the earth to produce subsistence for man, that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human race. The vices of mankind are active and able ministers of depopulation. They are the precursors in the great army of destruction, and often finish the dreadful work themselves. But should they fail in this war of extermination, sickly seasons, epidemics, pestilence, and plague advance in terrific array, and sweep off their thousands and tens of thousands. Should success be still incomplete, gigantic inevitable famine stalks in the rear, and with one mighty blow levels the population with the food of the world.

Thomas R Malthus


Sounds a lot like another Thomas we know.

9/08/2006 11:33:00 AM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

mmmm... gov't cheese :)

9/08/2006 11:33:00 AM  
Blogger scoutpost said...

Also (adding onto Capcom's comment): It's been mentioned before that this video w/Hanso was made prior to the demise of the Cold War and the collapse of communism. Surely many factors changed when that happened, could've really thrown off the VE, so why didn't DI capitalize on all of that to enact change? Or maybe they tried and the VE still remained the same?

9/08/2006 11:34:00 AM  
Blogger lilblondedude said...

capcom, I dont know if you have ever seen the matrix 2, but there is a very good explanation on that film about even though we think we have choices...it is simply an illusion. We may think that we have chosen the second option from the first, but in fact, the first option simply doesnt exist. This is porobably the same premise as this recent development.

9/08/2006 11:35:00 AM  
Blogger capcom said...

Thanks Arnezami, I just skimmed your theory, and I will enjoy reading it in full! :-)

9/08/2006 11:36:00 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Catty Girl - One person has emailed me, Dee via email, I am going to chat with him today and see about firming up plans to meet before the event....You can always email me, my info is here on tapdawgs page...

Going to lunch, be back in a few!!

9/08/2006 11:37:00 AM  
Blogger capcom said...

Lil; I haven't seen Matrix2 yet, but I see what you are saying, that's always a possibility too.

9/08/2006 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

One thing still seriously bugs me: Rachel shot the video in mid-July. Mittelwerk & Co. were just about to kill a rake of innocent Sri Lankan islanders and she took almost two months to let us know!
Alternate Reality or not - that just does not make sense, unless she managed to prevent them from carrying out their dirty deed.

9/08/2006 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger Codysmom said...

Maybe the "incident" was the fact that Rousseau changed the transmission, and the way the Dharma people fixed that was to have a two-man team input the numbers manually in the Swan station.

It's important that the numbers keep transmitting for two reasons: to keep the island invisible and to keep the head dharma people informed of any breakthroughs in their research.

At the end of Season 2 the numbers appear as real factors of multiplication: 4x8x15x16x23x42=7,418,880 and that's how the Portugese guys knew to call Penny Widmore, when the report changed to "Electromagnetic anomoly detected" http://au.yahoo.com/lost/ Episode 24 clue 26

I think the number, 7,418,880 could very well be a world population number; the number that the Valenzetti equation predicts for Armegeddon. According to this site http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/world.html the world population would be at that number somewhere between the years 2015 and 2020.

9/08/2006 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger dizzy said...

All the theories I see so far are pretty intriguing but there is one thing that I don't see mentioned.

What is the significance of Sri Lanka? Why are they going to try to mess with the Fallam and Vitualami population as a test? Is there some significance to where they are located geographically?

Who knows.

9/08/2006 11:39:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Dazzedelf said... If they bring the apocalypse closer does that mean they might pick up speed on the game or do we all die before act 4 starts?

I thought we were already in Act 4:

1. TheHansoFoundation.com
2. RachelBlake.com
3. HansoExposed.com
4. ApolloCandy.Com / WhereIsAlvar.com
5. ???
6. Profit

9/08/2006 11:41:00 AM  
Blogger capcom said...

This blog's conversations are fascinating! I have to go paint the deck now, phooey.

Scoutpost, that is true too, how did the end of the cold war and all it entailed not make one tiny little change in any of the factors? A chink in the story perhaps...suspension of disbelief turned up a notch. :-)

9/08/2006 11:41:00 AM  
Blogger FYSB said...

capcom, in response to your thoughts on making changes....i believe when you're talking about an individual, small changes can have a significant impact to the individual. if i choose not to cross this street, then i will not be hit by a car. however, on a macro scale, x number of people will be hit by a car every day. in the macro, it doesn't matter who you are. not a great example, but, all i could come up with in short notice.

however, as to the end of the cold war, doesn't he talk about mutually assured destruction? that concept kept the cold war from becoming a hot war in that both sides knew the other would blow them up if necessary. so essentially, the end of the cold war didn't change much in terms of people living or dying.

i love this dialog by the way. you guys are freakin' smart.

9/08/2006 11:42:00 AM  
Blogger lilblondedude said...

7,418,880????
Thats seven million? Have you made a mistake?

9/08/2006 11:45:00 AM  
Blogger K.C. Farmer said...

I hate to say it, but the US and Russia are still pointing missiles at each other, and are as ready to execute MAD as they were during the Cold War. The current threat is that the former USSR had nuclear weapon material and missiles that the Russians either never had in their territory, lost due to the fall of the USSR, or has been sold on the Black Market. One terrorist nuke placed in the right city with the right political environment could potentially set off a world wide incident.

It's possible that the fall of the USSR may have made a future nuclear confrontation more likely.

9/08/2006 11:47:00 AM  
Blogger Codysmom said...

Sorry, yes lilblondedude. A big mistake. Time to recalculate:)

9/08/2006 11:48:00 AM  
Blogger MiTYH said...

fastenyourseatbelts: but alvar mentioedn that MAD was something that could still happen at any moment

maybe he was trying to make sure it never happened? sounded like typical cold war talk of the time i suppose

and codysmom: the populations around 6 billion. nice theory though

9/08/2006 11:48:00 AM  
Blogger Dazzedelf said...

Whereisalvar is not act 4. That was confirmed by the UK TPTB people during the manchester glyph hunt on wednesday.

I believe Whereisalvar is the prologue for act 4, and it will be announced when Rachel has decided all that free chocolate has made us fat enough to move on.

9/08/2006 11:48:00 AM  
Blogger K.C. Farmer said...

A prologue to Act 4 isn't considered part of Act 4? It's almost definitely not related to Act 3, is it? Were any glyphs found in Apollo Bars or was the Apollo Bar site part of the glyph hunt? If not, then it seems we are splitting hairs here.

9/08/2006 11:51:00 AM  
Blogger MiTYH said...

my bet is that WIA wont be done until the last giveaway, which is the 23d i believe, or thereabouts

9/08/2006 11:51:00 AM  
Blogger MiTYH said...

kcfarmer: speaker posted a hint to a glyph on WIA

9/08/2006 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger DiggityDirge said...

morning all! Just got off a conference call to find it is all over. Guess that was kind of anticlimactic. Wondering what is going to happen next and hoping we dont have to wait until the 23rd to find out. I want this over by the time season 3 starts.

9/08/2006 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger K.C. Farmer said...

MiTYH: Thanks.

So I wonder where Act 4 is headed.

9/08/2006 11:54:00 AM  
Blogger SurfGurlie said...

Hi, long time lurker here...I have spent a lot of time piecing the video together & I gotta say, I'm a little disapointed. Does anyone else feel this way? I mean I don't really see anything in it that will TEAR A HOLE THROUGH THE HEART OF THE FOUNDATION! We already knew TWM was a little corrupt. Am I missing the big revelation?

9/08/2006 11:55:00 AM  
Blogger Dazzedelf said...

The proluge for Act4 can also be the epilogue for Act3. Though they need to start something up soon if they plan on doing 5 acts between now and 10/4 when season 3 starts in the states. I believe that WIA.com will eventually let us know what Rachel has been doing while we've been glyph hunting for 2 months. Probably tracking down Alvie. We'll see what happens next I'm sure.

9/08/2006 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

surfgurlie: Welcome....first posts only lead to more and more!

I agree with you. Nothing really earth-shattering in that video. After all the hoopla, I feel a big let down. IMHO, it only confirmed what we've already discussed.

9/08/2006 11:58:00 AM  
Blogger dixxee said...

wow.. lots of interesting comments...glad the last frag was found and the hunt is over, but now we are in limbo.. the most exciting thing is the Apollo bars...

Looking forward to meeting Dennis and TLCM at the Lexington event!

Actually talked to someone that is not a Lostie about what I was doing and they did not think I was bonkers! She actually thought it was neat "something different to do".

9/08/2006 11:58:00 AM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

WiA/Apollo isn't Phase 4? If they plan to kill this whole thing off before S3 starts, they haven't left very much time for the final 2 phases...

9/08/2006 11:59:00 AM  
Blogger alecj said...

I woke up today and realized the last piece had been found.....but instead of being pysched i sat back and thought--- this whole glyph thing has to have a bigger payoff than just the video. There has to be more to it. I could have come up with a glyph hunt-- this is ABC and people way smarter than me. I kind of feel like the guy who comes out of his house and sees the burning bag of poo but steps on it anyway cause.....well.......theres a glyph on it---.....i hope im right and there is another reason for this colossal bag of poo.....


on a side note--- ive loved everything else about TLE. and you guys here, on this site are the best. I would have drifted away from the glyphhunt if it wasnt for you guys.......TLE clues is the man---- uh....you know what i mean...

9/08/2006 12:01:00 PM  
Blogger Dazzedelf said...

According to Nick's blog of the Manchester event, he gleaned this from the PTB there.

There's another act to the Lost Experience. I said I knew HE was #3, but thought #4 and #5 were apollo and WIA respectively. Apparently not. He didn't give any details away, but simply said there's a little more yet. I'll let you guys speculate as to what he meant...

You can read the entire post here:
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/User:Nickb123/manchester

9/08/2006 12:02:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Thanks for all the Kudos.

But just got to say Capcom, your brilliant!

This is why I like bouncing theories off you. The blood change is almost certainly a way for him to avoid the virus. I had almsot forgotten about that that seems so long ago.

So we have the answer as to why he is evil. He is persuing his end, but he is messing up the whole soloution by making sure there is one of the "bad" people left alive. Therefore he will kill almost 1/3rd of the population without saving the world and ultimiately it will be he that destroys the world. But does that mean if we were to let him do it, then kill him we'd be alright?

OR

Maybe it will prevent the world, but what he has found is there is ANOTHER WAY, by doing the blood change that he can get rid off whatever it is that can lead to the end of the world that they are trying to change with the mass murder. In other words he does know there is another way and he is choosing this way (which was one of my potential outcomes in my final theory so I like that one better, lol).

Fantastic.

It fits in because it both makes Mittlewerk evil AND gives us the morale dilema AND doesn't mess with the series. Nice.

9/08/2006 12:03:00 PM  
Blogger dixxee said...

I keep half expecting to see some email from Rachel about having completed this video... argh

9/08/2006 12:05:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

k.c. farmer: very astute on the us/russia MAD still going on. one issue arising from the ussr falling apart was the relative instability it caused across the regions the ussr covered. also the ussr and china were able to exert more control on other nations than russia has since their fall. so i would agree that the fall of our one, big foe has resulted in many smaller, less stable foes. and in that time, china has also developed nuclear missile subs (the ultimate weapon in the arms race) while the us and russia continue to remove them from service.

9/08/2006 12:05:00 PM  
Blogger JessiePao said...

Are we supposed to send the video to someone ( rachel?) for confirmation, perhaps to launch the fouth phase of the game?

9/08/2006 12:05:00 PM  
Blogger Timothy said...

(longtime lurker)
RE: disappointment in the final video
What with the level of scrutiny leveled on it, and the depth and detail of theories proposed, it was perhaps inevitable that the final video would disappoint, unless they brought something in from way out in left field. In fact, as a mathematician, I have an equation here that predicts just when the core principles of the video would be guessed by the fanbase...

But seriously (speaking of wacky theories), perhaps Valenzetti himself saw the error of his ways, his own youthful hubris in designing an equation that would eventually become outdated, and tried to contact Alvar -- but events spun out of their control?

9/08/2006 12:07:00 PM  
Blogger miniver_cheevy said...

Is anyone have problems with the chocolates fragment (#37)? It's not going past it when im logging in or if im viewing someone else's sequence. Is the Hanso Foundation shutting me down? (Insert DJ Dan shutdown noise here) Also, does anyone know how to work the glyphomatic site? It's not letting me save my sequence.

9/08/2006 12:07:00 PM  
Blogger dixxee said...

jessiepao - I was thinking that with my last post... maybe we are supposed to "share" it with Rachel to let her know we are done... hmm

9/08/2006 12:10:00 PM  
Blogger FYSB said...

In terms of Mutually Assured Destruction, it only works if you care about being destroyed. You raise excellent points about these smaller unstable countries getting one of the USSR's old nukes. I wonder how much technical knowledge and infrastructure one would need to launch an old nuke and would these small nations have that. Also, I wonder what the shelf life is for a USSR nuke? If the country dissolved in the early 90s, would these nukes eventually fall into disrepair?

9/08/2006 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

i still think WiA and ApolloCandy.com, together, are Act 4 and Act 5 is comin' up...

9/08/2006 12:12:00 PM  
Blogger K.C. Farmer said...

Has anyone sent the Sri Lanka Video to THF or one of their goons yet?

9/08/2006 12:13:00 PM  
Blogger Dazzedelf said...

I'm on page 2 on wia.com in case anybody cared. that golden oracle guy on page 2 "the golis" was 2 people behind me and asked me if having the golden sticker meant he would get a glyph!!! "grrrr"

9/08/2006 12:14:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

fastenyourseatbelts: the tech required to LAUNCH a weapon is immense and very sophisitcated. the tech required to detonate just a warhead once it is in place would be many times less sophisticated. that's why there is such a push for radiation detectors at ports. Regarding the shelf life, the fuels themselves have very long half lifes (that's why waste is such a problem) the rest of the weapons have shorter lives, but still on the order of decades.

9/08/2006 12:17:00 PM  
Blogger Dazzedelf said...

I've applied for a job on hansocareers.com but they haven't responded to my resume.

9/08/2006 12:17:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

fenris, capcom, oxillini, k.c.farmer, etc.: Great postulations! TWM is definitely evil in that he is manipulating variables by making himself one of those who survive (by changing his blood). He seems to believe that dilemma that the greater good is more important than the lesser good -- the 30% fatality rate is for the greater good of the 70% remaining.

So many factors change as time has gone by since the VE was formulated. Sure the Cold War is over, but it is replaced by other powers with nuclear weapons and terrorism threatens everyone. Also, the 1970's hippy philosophy of the DI doesn't hold up in today's world...is there one utopian society that has been a success?

I don't know what's next in this story: What are we supposed to do with the completion of this video? Stop TWM and his gang somehow? I agree that we'll have to wait for the Apollo Candy thing to complete it's course by the 23rd, which is DJ Dan Day. I hope between now and then, we get some direction.

9/08/2006 12:17:00 PM  
Blogger n.i.k. said...

Encryption issues aside, I believe that the broadcast of the numbers is for much the same reason as other people have suggested: to report all the current core values of the VE and indicate a change.

This answers the question of why human action is necessary at the Swan computer. If it was simply an issue of suppressing or dissapating magnetic charge every 108 minutes, why bother to have a human being trigger it manually? If you've got a computer connected to the equipment that manages the charge, you could write a simple program to handle it automatically. Instead, the numbers have to be entered to indicate if one of the values have been changed. In the event of failure to enter the numbers, the charge builds up to a high enough level where the island becomes "visible" again (assuming it's hidden in the first place to prevent interruption of DI work). This would alert THF that something has gone wrong and that they need to send in non-DI personnel to investigate. The failsafe mechanism exists for a different sort of emergency, perhaps one such as the computer terminal being damaged beyond repair or otherwise destroyed, and allows a longer build-up of charge and subsequent dissaption, which somehow disables all the equipment and returns the island to its natural (yet still admitedly freaky) electromagnetic state.

One thing that's just occurred to me: if Danielle & Co. crashed on the island sometime in the late 1980s and ultimately changed the broadcast (again, ignore the problems with encryption; we're sure to get some sort of explanation down the line), could the cease of the broadcast of the numbers themselves be what led to THF finally "officially" cancelling the DI and sending in US military/intelligence personnel to investigate what happpened? This would coincide nicely with that one statement made in the infamous Jimmy Kimmel interview...

9/08/2006 12:18:00 PM  
Blogger Protean1 said...

I guess Elpaw wins then...

Shouldn't he get a special prize or something?

(no, not a free chocolate..)

9/08/2006 12:21:00 PM  
Blogger TheBookPolice said...

dixxee - Don't say "limbo"! TPTB will swoop down upon us and admonish all TLECers who utter such a term! ; )

Anybody contemplate this yet?

We're engaging in a task set upon us by a mysterious leader, which involves very repetitive entry of data into a computer, and finding that the end result is less than gratifying?

Is this ARG being perpetrated with a certain sense of irony? Are we the test subjects? Are we meant to grow into a tighter community for all this shared effort? Is this just a test to see to what lengths we will go to find the cheese at the end of the maze? Are we coming to the point where, like Locke in the Pearl Station, we feel that perhaps there is no cheese?

9/08/2006 12:21:00 PM  
Blogger ib4uc said...

There has to be more to this than completing the video. At least I would hope so.

9/08/2006 12:24:00 PM  
Blogger dixxee said...

wow - how prophetic Kyle...

anyways.. sending that email to rachel at rachelblake dot com did not work:

That did not work:

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at www.thehansofoundation.org.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

" rachel @ rachelblake . com ":
This address no longer accepts mail.

errr..

9/08/2006 12:26:00 PM  
Blogger dixxee said...

Hi there ib4uc... how are you this fine afternoon? I agree.. there has to be more.... What now Rachel? do we go back to waiting for her next stophanso post???

9/08/2006 12:28:00 PM  
Blogger oxillini said...

thanks dixxee (at least i think you were talking to me)

sorry about the fantasy football getting cancelled. not enough tlec love for the foosball i guess!

9/08/2006 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger capcom said...

Fenris, I am humbly honored by your compliment! Feeling is mutual.

Everyone else's ideas are so great too, I find it difficult to tear myself away at times when the blog typing is going fast and furious between everyone.

Maven, yeah, hippy utopias, what a joke. :-) But I sure bought into them at the time, they were so compelling.

BTW where is our buddy Dr. Spaongebob? I bet he has to be thrilled that #70 was finally found!

Luv ya all!!! :-)

9/08/2006 12:31:00 PM  
Blogger TheBookPolice said...

dixxee - (re: mailer-daemon-type reply)

A brief Google search tells me that the message you received is generated by a real-world mail server, and has no in-game bearing.

That goes only for the actual message itself. The fact that the e-mail address no longer works is still important, I think, and should be viewed as an in-game development until further notice.

But, the message certainly did scare the hell out of me at first. Whew!

9/08/2006 12:36:00 PM  
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9/08/2006 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger Dazzedelf said...

Actually the email address doesn't accept mail, it's just for sending automated messages. Nothing freaky about that at all.

9/08/2006 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger Gavin said...

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9/08/2006 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger ib4uc said...

dixxee: I guess we play the waiting game now. Maybe that is phase 4 (hehehe). Oh gosh, I hope not!

9/08/2006 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger dixxee said...

hey Ox.. actually I meant thebookpolice Kyle to his comment back at me for using the bad L word..haha.. but I do find all these theories quite prophetic...

As for the fantasy football, I was a bit bummed that it did not work out but that happens sometimes.. not everyone is football fanaticals... was nice to not be the only female that signed up for that one though.. GO LADIES OF TLEC!!

wv: cuhja - sister of cujo?

9/08/2006 12:40:00 PM  
Blogger ib4uc said...

capcom said: BTW where is our buddy Dr. Spaongebob? I bet he has to be thrilled that #70 was finally found!

I just found out yesterday that he's an eighth grader and started school. That's why we haven't seen him lately.

9/08/2006 12:41:00 PM  
Blogger alecj said...

i guess thats the "big question"--- whats "next"-- also wheres rachel-- she was able to "release" the glyphs for "the video" so she must be "ok". i think we all are "left" with this "feeling" of "glad thats over......now what"-- i also think TPTB would be "wise" to throw us a "bone" before the weekend after we "stuck it out" through this glyph "craptasticness"

im really into using air quotes when i talk right now so i thought id try it out in my post......not sure it translates......

9/08/2006 12:41:00 PM  
Blogger s1n said...

Yea, I just realized that TLE has reached a major slowdown. With the stoppage of glyphs and the fact that the Apollo quest is pretty... well, empty (I think someone up there posted that no matter what happens, it will reach 100% by a certain date), we have like... nothing to do but blog at each other. And since Lost is off the air, which I suspect we're going to need to go any further with these numbers, I'm starting to feel a mando let-down from the creators...

Where is Rachel!?

9/08/2006 12:41:00 PM  
Blogger JessiePao said...

I sent my video to rachel and she responded:

THANKS FOR HELPING ME PIECE TOGETHER THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HANSO FOUNDATION.

THE VIDEO YOU'RE PUTTING TOGETHER COULD BE THE KEY TO TAKING THEM DOWN ONCE AND FOR ALL.

HERE'S YOUR LATEST VIDEO SEQUENCE:

http://hansoexposed.com/player/7bc4f319576c4b346166389c5e66c5a0

LATER.
RACHEL

Nothing earth shattering or next-phase-ish has happened yet.

9/08/2006 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger capcom said...

Ooooh, NIK, I just processed your last paragraph, very good idea!

Dixxee, that was a good idea to email Rachel, even though they've closed it out, how dumb.

9/08/2006 12:43:00 PM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

thebookpolice..... no cheese?! Say it isn't so!!

I agree though - I expected something to happen at the end of the film. A revelation, a message, something.

9/08/2006 12:44:00 PM  

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