Clue #133 - Fragment Code "PGVPE4EC"
Fragment Code, "PGVPE4EC" has been found on Rachel Blake's European Holiday blog. It was found by viewing the source code of her blog and discovering a string of picture files (.png). It was deduced that these file names needed to be added to the main blog url, giving us various pieces of the final glyph. Here are the pieces of the glyph:
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/They.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/say.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/that.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/everything.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/happens.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/for.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/a.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/reason.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/I.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/wish.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/I_.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/could.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/believe.png
http://www.rachelblake.com/img_new/that.png
If you put all these pieces together, you'll get this picture of the final glyph. The video fragment is of Mr. Beardy (Okay...Alvar Hanso) saying, "Valenzetti assigned numerical values to the core environmental and human factors of his equation, 4,8,15,16,23,42."
Great job to TLCM, DazzedElf, Justin and Dennis for being the first to email this clue. And a HUGE THANK YOU to Matt the Pale for his (now famous) Fragment Code List.
322 Comments:
Crap I cheated and I was not first!!!
top 5!!!
EXPLANATION
If you go to RachelBlake.com and "select all" (CTRL-A), you will see tiny little boxes scattered in the margins up an down the page. Each little box is a link to a glyph.
The glyphs spell out:
"They say that everything happens for a reason. I wish I_ could believe that_"
Man, can somebody just tell me where this one goes. I want to get this stupid vid together on my HE.com. Obviously you guys have the whole video together, So please someone tell me, Thanks...
In your face, CHEATER!
I feel so empty
Top 20?
Dr No - I think you have hit the nail on the head
vitruvian, i posted this in the previous section in response to your question.
vitruvian: my take on it is the numbers are a means of weighting certain factors. thus say, the spread of disease has a weight of only 8 in the overall equation, but the number of dictatorships has a weight of 16. what will be really interesting is how they explain this to the non-arg players? math is not traditionally one of the things that draws viewers in.
anyone else have thoughts on this?
dr. no, i think that is a very interesting observation.
i think rachel's choice of words for her hidden pictures is kind of sad. maybe she needs an apollo bar.
i also agree that the key difference between trying to change the environment and humanity caused the falling out of twm and hanso. i also think the environment term may be meant to encompass sociological issues, not just the physical environment (i.e. trying to increase tolerance of different races, not just changing the weather, etc.)
oxillini: I think you're probably right, but the numbers can also be the true numerical values of those factors. It's hard to tell whithout knowing what the factors are, how they relate to each other, etc, etc...
Is this the end of phase 3? Or it's reasonable to wait something more about the Numbers from whereisalvar?
also, i think the meaning of the numbers is kept intentionally vague. if tptb gave very specific meanings for the values (i.e. 42 is the number of biological weapons divided by the number of nations posessing them, etc.) the community would instantly rip them apart. there would be long-winded debates on what constitutes a biological weapon, etc, etc, etc. as it is, tptb said "the numbers are part of the equation and that's that, get it?"
so, regarding twm changing the human factors, what if his project in sri lanka, "the virus" inherently alters human dna. that's what viruses do, right? so 30% of the population can't handle the changes and perish. the other 70% are in some way altered but survive. the changes made to their dna somehow alter humanity. we all become shiny happy people. oh, and we all drink sprite and talk on verizon cell phones while driving our jeep compass or, for the wealthier, acuras.
I think we have to keep our eyes open today. She told us that we needed to find the video and put it together. So now that we've done that, surely she's going to tell us what to do next.
THE SRI-LANKA VIDEO, IT'S THE POISON AND THE CURE.
IT'LL BURN A HOLE RIGHT THROUGH THE HEART OF THE FOUNDATION.
I agree that the environmetal factors cover a whole raft of disciplines, and that is what DHARMA was doing on the island - looking at changing all the variables except the untouchable one - population.
Is that why they transmitted the numbers - while they transmitted 4,8,15,16,23,42 Hanso knew they had not exceed. If they heard 4,7,15,16,23,42 they would know that they had suceeded in changing one variable (and by how much) . It is far more subtle than broadcasting that you have just altered something pretty significant.
Once the transmitter had been hijacked by Danielle Hanso/DHARMA comunicated this by other media - Manipulate the lottery - everyone would see that for example - don't know how they would do this from the Island though unless they were using remote viewing or remote manipulation
Alternitively somehow the transmission of the numbers and the magnetic field had somehow dropped the numbers into the human subconcious so they just kept popping up.
oxillini: Maybe giving specific meanings for the values would be "too scientific"... Even so, they could have given us something more, like, "the numbers are recurrent values in the history of mankind" or something like that. My problem with this "explanation" is that it gave us no clue of why Dharma used this numbers as the swan restart code or why they were broacasting them from the island. If the numbers "are bad", why using them?
But I really think they should tell us something more about the hieroglyphs. Are they variables? How do they relate to the Numbers? What do they really mean?
Any idea on what we are supposed to do now?
Rachel did say that when there was enough people on WIA that there woudl be more info. So do we have to wait until all the events are done?
I am still going tomorrow...who is with me?
so are we to assume that DJ Dan will be at the same recording company like last time?
I would suspect that now that we know the "truth", that THF will have no choice but to fight back.
My guess is that they bring back their website and start a PR campaign attacking Rachel's credibility.
Expect Joop the Amazing Talking Orangatan to appear on the next episode of Grey's Anatomy.
I haven't posted in a while, just been lurking. So this part id over BUT what about WiA.com...it will reveal even more, right???
I am so confused with all this equation talk. MATH!? To quote my favorite commercial right now..."I was told there would be no math!"
Great job to all you who CAN...and to those of us (okay, ME) that just sat and waited for YOU to get it all....THANK YOU!
dark angel: I like your theory of broadcasting only the numbers instead of "OMG! We just saved humanity!". So, in your opinion, they would broadcast different values once they managed to change them?
But... why using them in the hatch? Why restarting the system every 108 minutes?
Dark Angel; that's a good thought about the purpose of the transmission of the numbers, i.e., changing the transmission only when the numbers changed. That would also be in keeping with the rule of never contacting the outside world....assuming that was a real rule, and not just for the subservient hatchies....so they could announce their success, without announcing their whereabouts and endangering the rest of the research, if someone heard the transmission....which some did.
See, we don't need no stinkin' TPTB to tell us what it all means! :-)
Hey dante, the update you just noticed...was it to rachel's travel page or stophanso? does the site monitor show two separate updates at two separate times?
well, if you want a password easy to remember, how about the very reason you are on the island in the first place. placing the numbers everywhere drives home the reason the scientists are there.
Lost...
See my post above yours about the reason for transmitting the numbers.
Basically they transmit the numbers - it's just another number station.
But if they change a variable the numbers change in the transmission and THF know what DHARMA have achieved.
AS for why they had to input the numbers to release the magnetic energy my guess is uit was an inn joke by bored DHARMA programmers.
thanks dante.
dark angel, vitruvian: i think we have a pretty good hypothesis for what's going on with the numbers. i think the numbers showing up elsewhere, like the lottery, is a tip of the cap to the "23" conspiracy. that is, if you're looking for the numbers hard enough, of course you can find them. heck there are only ten digits, right?
::gasp:: I'm commenting.
dark angel, I *do* like your theory, but my only concern is why would they need the code to relay their success or lackthereof? Didn't Alvar say in the video explaining the transmission tower that they were broadcasting in an encryption and frequency known only to them?
Would the DI have encoded the factors for the broadcast on the off chance that someone intercepted the message?
Not trying to put you on the spot, just wondering aloud ...
Nice one Oxillini
Yes easy way remember what numbers to input , especially when your on your own at 2am in the morning.
well, the encryption could be as simple as "only we know what the numbers mean"
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princechuck - do all this work and we'll give you a free candybar kind of sums the whole experience up.
Now that's funny.
oxillini said...
well, if you want a password easy to remember, how about the very reason you are on the island in the first place. placing the numbers everywhere drives home the reason the scientists are there.
Ox, I couldn't agree more. I think it was designed to serve as a constant reminder that their work was helping save humanity (they may not have even been told how pushing a button was serving such a lofty purpose, but the ominous meaning of the numbers was enough to keep them in line). In the beginning all the DHARMA lackeys working at the Swan would have known what the numbers meant. They got more obscure as time went on because somewhere along the line people came in from outside DHARMA who didn't understand their significance.
hey here is a version of the final video up on you tube. It a lot quicker to load then going to HE.com. http://youtube.com/profile?user=timdorr
Hi ambientblu
good point about the encryption, but maybe Hanso just meant they were using the numbers beacuse we know Hurley's pal in the Santa Rosa Hospital picked up the numbers as did Danielle's team
Good morning all!
Dennis said...
EXPLANATION
If you go to RachelBlake.com and "select all" (CTRL-A), you will see tiny little boxes scattered in the margins up an down the page. Each little box is a link to a glyph.
Wow! you guys are so cool to know how to find this stuff. I never would've known to do that. I've learned so much about computers since playing this game (although I'm not real sure how this last skill will benefit me in day to day computer usage-hehe). Good job everybody. Too bad the reward wasn't more revealing...I mean we've been working on this video for 6 weeks and practically had it all figured out weeks ago. So I wonder what next? Hope we don't have to wait until WIA is finished-that would be way to much of a bummer.
Didn't the french lady say that the transmition was the numbers over and over again until she changed it to her distress call?
At this point, I, too, think that the password was just something they could remember and not something that then transmitted out again to the outside world. Thought with this show, who the heck knows?
So is this the end of act 3? Wonder what act 4 is going to be like. Hopefully more action like act 2. I mean, the film is interesting and all, but how long has this been going on now? Over a month? Time for some chases and kung-fu.
If the transmission was encrypted, how could Rousseau, Leonard and Sam Tooney understand it?
chopsshaw: Dr. Marvin Candle never said "enter 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42". He only said "enter the *code*". That protocol could be a way of telling other stations and the DI headquarters (wherever that is) that the Numbers were/were not changed.
About the incident... Maybe someone managed to change one of the values but didn't warned everyone.
Someway in the process people forgot what the original protocol was and kept entering the Numbers over and over...
Sorry. I may not have been clear. What I mean is that if the transmission was the same numbers over and over again, then instead of typing the numbers differently to change it, they would have had to rerecord the message to transmit.
Did anyone have any thoughts on why the mangetism had to be released by the DHARMies? If the island had special properties in the first place, and didn't need any releasing before the DI got there, why the need after? I assume because of "the incident", and events thereof eluded to on the BD map. But are there any thoughts as to why the change? For example, did the DI find a way to physically drain or manipulate the island's mag force, etc.? That one is still puzzling me. I hope TPTB will give us some info on the incident as well as the Others this season.
I'd also like for them to wrap up some of the Vincent and Walt questions, now that we won't see him and Michael for a while.
P.S., yes I've read the Lostpedia theories, but I like Tee-Lekkers' theories better. :-)
I think that the DI tried to change one of the core values and accidentally chaged it in a very bad way. This is why the numbers must be entered, to stop the world from ending.
capcom: what if the electromagnetic energy has a strong connection to the Numbers and the fate of hummanity? what if controlling the island's electromagnetic power would be a good way of changing the Numbers?
trasher76: But Desmond turned the key and the world is still there :D
I think it's safe to say that they were only going to change the numbers if Dharma had any success - they were aware it could take years - it's not hard to rerecord the numbers for the transmission if you succeed in altering one of the factors.
So we have five numbers - weren't there five areas DHARMA were researching into - would each area of reasearch represent one of the variables to be altered?
following up on Thrasher etal...Maybe the failure of the Dharma Initiative was when they tried to alter the electromagnetism core value and they blew it. Now there has to be someone in the hatch, punching in the numbers, avoiding another incident. They used the numbers as the code since those numbers were the ones that the entire group was most familiar with.
Sorry 6 numbers - long day - can't count - almost time to go home
Question...the numbers being transmitted prior to Danielle's reprogramming. We don't know if the timing of the broadcast cycle coincides with 108 minutes do we? Danielle's broadcast was continuous, right?
So I watched the complete video!!! Very Interesting!! Can't wait to see what happens next!?!?!?!?!?
Here's my prediction, They will be able to change the numerical value, however instead of prolonging human destruction, they bring the apocalypse even closer.
Lost; Yes, that's a good possibility. They obviously tried to use the island's power to do something big with their electromag project.
So....I'm at 100% correct so far on my final prediction and not been far off so far at all. What do I win?
It's an odd thing though, the whole basis seems to be that this doomsday, that date of which has not been revealed (which means it's either for later or for the series alone to answer), is so unavoidable that each individual factor involved, environmental and human constantly brings the equation to the same conclusion. This very much puts a FATE/DESTINY angle on the whole lost thing. We've all speculated that the co-incidences with the losties are not co-incidences and that they are being manipulated by Hanso or Widmore or whatever. But what this suggests is that it may be, simply, fate that is to blame for those influences. Which is an odd one because it means they are meaningful co-incidences. Synchroicity, as Jung would say. An inescapable desity is quite a big thing to work into a mythology.
Hmm. With Alvar being scandinavian, maybe he was a bit too quick to believe in Ragnarok. If you know what I mean. In Norse Mythology Odin spends most of his time fighting against the end of the world, but always finds there is no escape and deep down he knows that Ragnarok *will* happen. Funny how his story sounds kind of similar to Alvar. It's also interesting to note some of the things that Odin did were considered bad/evil things, but were always for the greater good (in his mind), although a lot of it ended up as self fufilling prophecies.
Of course the problem is Mittlewerk and not Alvar and we are back to the second part of my theory. I am not sure they could leave Mittlewerks evil deed as contraversially grey as it currently is. Although having said that, it would be in keeping with the Lost recurring theme of science Vs Faith. Maybe *we* will be given that choice in the end. Do we choose the science of the Valencetti equation and allow Mittlewerk to kill 30% of life on the planet to change the core values and theoretically save the world or do we stop him based on our faith in humanity itself and take the risk that the world could end. If we pick the former we will never know if we were right, if we pick the later, we'll know if we're wrong but won't have much time to live with our mistake.
But the problem is, either way, it doesn't make Mittlewerk evil. It makes him very strong in his own Faith *in* science. He is killing 3 people he believes will die anyway to save 7. If you are 100% sure that all 10 will die without action it would be very compelling. There has to be something more to it. Some extra motivation. I'm not so sure that they will say the equation is false, unless they are going to move right away from the numbers in the series. Unless it is just a minor mistake, or they reveal that the numbers *were* altered by an unforseen event on the Dharma Island (i.e. The Losties did it, but we don't know how or when (show past/future)). That would make Mittlewerk evil.
Anyway, overall what have we gotten out of the many weeks of glyph hunting? Was anyone really suprised by the final fragment? Wasn't really a big reveal as they gave the info to us in such a way that we always suspected what was due next and overall I think there is only three bits of info. 1) The relevence of the numbers, 2) The purpose of Dharma and 3) Mittlewerks purpose in Sri-Lanka. each of them by themselves are big reveals. But is it just me or would they have seemed more important/relevent had we just had them dropped on us like the DHARMA acronym reveal? Everyone was going "ooooh" and "wow" then. Not so much now and yet this is bigger.
I suppose the fact is we only have very basic info on either Dharma or the Numbers. We weren't told what the stations were or what actual research was going on on the island. Or we know is what the end goal of the research was. The numbers is perhaps more complete a reveal, yet we don't know the details of why a core factor of the world can be boiled down to a number. How can something like the human genetic code = 8? Very strange. The numbers are really the big reveal and they are interesting. But we were even told that this video would reveal info on the numbers before Alvar or Dave started talking about them. So..I dunno.
Anyway, the numbers seem tied with fate both here and in the series. Perhaps the Valencetti equation is wrong in that the numbers are right and do lead to the end of the world but they have nothing to do with with weather, genetics, or anything like that. The numbers represent and influence the sequence of events that lead a certain group of people to a certain island to cause the end of the world with their bungling. Heh, almost the oppositite of that other earlier thought. I guess we're at the stage where we are all looking much more to how this will effect the show and less to how this story will conclude. Not suprising with the change of focus through these chapters. Now hopefully they can try and draw us back into Rachels story.
gavin - I've always been pretty sure that Beardy is about to say "famine" at the end of that clip, but it was right at a break in the reel.
Here's the video sequence that is consistent with the order provided over at http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Sri_Lanka_Video
http://hansoexposed.com/player/59ceb021ad4e06f8fc1bebb5a9f8a745
I just want to say, 60 comments were posted in the time it took me to write that. ROFLMAO.
I think I need professional help.
Dazzedelf - LMAO
LOL Fenris. No just keep up the theories- they're good.
peaceandnamaste
That sounds pretty plausible.
I was also wondering whether THF perhaps only assumes that the DI has failed because Rousseau changed the transmission and said "they are all dead" or something to that effect. Rather than rushing out to the island to rescue any possible survivors and thus having to explain the whole thing to the world, in particular the (assumed) death of the best scientific minds of the century, they hire a bunch of ex-military guys who are used to follow orders without asking why and have them input the numbers to effect the electromagnetic discharge to keep the island and its story hidden from the world in perpetuity.
Great Post Fenris
It's time for me to go home now - but I'll try and log back in later tonight.
See you guys - great working out the truth with such an intelligent bunch of guys and girls.
Be back later
Namaste
Morning:
Now what? Such a big buildup to this video being completed, and I feel that there are still so many unanswered questions (typical of TPTB) as evidenced by the comments so far. I still don't understand how a set of numbers being transmitted or entered in a computor can actually DO anything besides them being a code. Do we really now know the meaning of these numbers and what they relate to? More guessing and speculation. At least that's what makes the discussion here so intereting.
Great theorizing, Fenris, keep it up. (I think we all need help ;)
You say:
If we pick the former we will never know if we were right, if we pick the later, we'll know if we're wrong but won't have much time to live with our mistake.
Sounds much like Locke's dilemma in the hatch...
LOST said...
trasher76: But Desmond turned the key and the world is still there :D
Exactly, The numbers shutdown the magnatron thing that the DI messed up while trying to change on of the core values. The turning of the key also shutdown the magnatron thing as a fail safe if the numbers did not get pressed or the PC was broken.
What next?... Perhaps there is more code to decifer from all of the letters and numbers in the glyphs. That could take some time.
In the end, it probably says something to the effect of "Buy a Jeep Compass, drink Sprite, and get a job on Monster.com."
Phase 4 seems to be the Apollo Bar thing. I guess when they get enough responses, they'll provide the next clue. To bad I didn't get one of those virus laden, save the world Apollo Bars.
Yeah, what Fenris said! :-)
The one thing that would make TWM "evil" in your theory though, is the piece of info we got about him getting a complete blood change. Did he manipulate his own body to make absolutely sure that he would be one of the 70% that gets to live after the virus control is put into place, and thus leave the rest of humantiy to fend for themselves, a la The Stand? If he's only making sure that he himself doesn't succumb, and not giving anyone else the same chance, that's evil.
I'm just waiting for someone to post the complete and in sequence video on youtube
Sin,
wasn't that particular YouTube video a fake?
Maybe the incident was just an information leak and now they have to keep pushing the button in order to keep the island a secret.
lilblondedude: what's with the (10) on the number? 42 microteslas is a possible average magnetic field intensity.
thanks to Timdorr for posting his complete video on YouTube.
Sorry S1n, I was wrong, it's legit alright. There is a (very well made) fake one out there dealing with the different hatches and the work done in each.
The one you cite is legit.
Thrasher - what time are you going to be picking up your candybar tomorrow. Did you hear anything from the other RSVP people?
I still have a problem with the whole changing the future premise, and I have trouble understanding why it has been so difficult for the HF/TWM to do so.
Every day we face an infinite number of possible futures for ourselves, and every decision we make leads us to any particular possible path to our future. Why have they not been able to change one bloody factor?
I understand how they might not be able to control a factor that involves say, an off-limits communist country's input. But in the free world, why would it be that difficult to make an iota of change to factors like poverty or other sociological areas? Isn't that what "government cheese" was all about? :-) (Not changing the numbers, just changing the number of hungry people)
The reference to Utopia may be related to Population Control.
Population Control could be changed in several ways. One way is to kill off a bunch of people with a virus. Another approach would be to evolve the populace so that they could live in areas of the world that are deemed unlivable.
The question is...
Has THF factored that changing the parameters of the Valenzetti Equation could have an opposite effect than what they intend to do? Changing the numbers could bring about the end of the world sooner rather than later. They didn't exactly say when the end of the world would be. To effect an equation, you'd have to know how to change the parameters.
Mathematically, it's all nonsense (yes, it's fiction), since you could have an infinite number of factors applicable to any equation. One of the more famous predictive equations that has been accepted by some politicians and world leaders, at the expense of the lives of the people they governed, was produced by Thomas Malthus. One of his principle ideas was that the human population rate, left unchecked, overcomes the food production rate. His calculation, however, didn't take into account new technology and improvements. In addition to that, empirical evidence shows that population growth is rarely exponential, as Malthus suggested, and the food production rate has increased at the same rate as the population (actually better when you consider the costs to produce food have gone down). In short, no mathematical equation can be written to show the complexity of population growth - one of the six apparent factors of the Valenzetti Equation.
The power of population is so superior to the power of the earth to produce subsistence for man, that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human race. The vices of mankind are active and able ministers of depopulation. They are the precursors in the great army of destruction, and often finish the dreadful work themselves. But should they fail in this war of extermination, sickly seasons, epidemics, pestilence, and plague advance in terrific array, and sweep off their thousands and tens of thousands. Should success be still incomplete, gigantic inevitable famine stalks in the rear, and with one mighty blow levels the population with the food of the world.
Thomas R Malthus
Sounds a lot like another Thomas we know.
Also (adding onto Capcom's comment): It's been mentioned before that this video w/Hanso was made prior to the demise of the Cold War and the collapse of communism. Surely many factors changed when that happened, could've really thrown off the VE, so why didn't DI capitalize on all of that to enact change? Or maybe they tried and the VE still remained the same?
Thanks Arnezami, I just skimmed your theory, and I will enjoy reading it in full! :-)
Catty Girl - One person has emailed me, Dee via email, I am going to chat with him today and see about firming up plans to meet before the event....You can always email me, my info is here on tapdawgs page...
Going to lunch, be back in a few!!
Lil; I haven't seen Matrix2 yet, but I see what you are saying, that's always a possibility too.
One thing still seriously bugs me: Rachel shot the video in mid-July. Mittelwerk & Co. were just about to kill a rake of innocent Sri Lankan islanders and she took almost two months to let us know!
Alternate Reality or not - that just does not make sense, unless she managed to prevent them from carrying out their dirty deed.
Maybe the "incident" was the fact that Rousseau changed the transmission, and the way the Dharma people fixed that was to have a two-man team input the numbers manually in the Swan station.
It's important that the numbers keep transmitting for two reasons: to keep the island invisible and to keep the head dharma people informed of any breakthroughs in their research.
At the end of Season 2 the numbers appear as real factors of multiplication: 4x8x15x16x23x42=7,418,880 and that's how the Portugese guys knew to call Penny Widmore, when the report changed to "Electromagnetic anomoly detected" http://au.yahoo.com/lost/ Episode 24 clue 26
I think the number, 7,418,880 could very well be a world population number; the number that the Valenzetti equation predicts for Armegeddon. According to this site http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/world.html the world population would be at that number somewhere between the years 2015 and 2020.
Dazzedelf said... If they bring the apocalypse closer does that mean they might pick up speed on the game or do we all die before act 4 starts?
I thought we were already in Act 4:
1. TheHansoFoundation.com
2. RachelBlake.com
3. HansoExposed.com
4. ApolloCandy.Com / WhereIsAlvar.com
5. ???
6. Profit
This blog's conversations are fascinating! I have to go paint the deck now, phooey.
Scoutpost, that is true too, how did the end of the cold war and all it entailed not make one tiny little change in any of the factors? A chink in the story perhaps...suspension of disbelief turned up a notch. :-)
capcom, in response to your thoughts on making changes....i believe when you're talking about an individual, small changes can have a significant impact to the individual. if i choose not to cross this street, then i will not be hit by a car. however, on a macro scale, x number of people will be hit by a car every day. in the macro, it doesn't matter who you are. not a great example, but, all i could come up with in short notice.
however, as to the end of the cold war, doesn't he talk about mutually assured destruction? that concept kept the cold war from becoming a hot war in that both sides knew the other would blow them up if necessary. so essentially, the end of the cold war didn't change much in terms of people living or dying.
i love this dialog by the way. you guys are freakin' smart.
I hate to say it, but the US and Russia are still pointing missiles at each other, and are as ready to execute MAD as they were during the Cold War. The current threat is that the former USSR had nuclear weapon material and missiles that the Russians either never had in their territory, lost due to the fall of the USSR, or has been sold on the Black Market. One terrorist nuke placed in the right city with the right political environment could potentially set off a world wide incident.
It's possible that the fall of the USSR may have made a future nuclear confrontation more likely.
Sorry, yes lilblondedude. A big mistake. Time to recalculate:)
A prologue to Act 4 isn't considered part of Act 4? It's almost definitely not related to Act 3, is it? Were any glyphs found in Apollo Bars or was the Apollo Bar site part of the glyph hunt? If not, then it seems we are splitting hairs here.
morning all! Just got off a conference call to find it is all over. Guess that was kind of anticlimactic. Wondering what is going to happen next and hoping we dont have to wait until the 23rd to find out. I want this over by the time season 3 starts.
MiTYH: Thanks.
So I wonder where Act 4 is headed.
surfgurlie: Welcome....first posts only lead to more and more!
I agree with you. Nothing really earth-shattering in that video. After all the hoopla, I feel a big let down. IMHO, it only confirmed what we've already discussed.
wow.. lots of interesting comments...glad the last frag was found and the hunt is over, but now we are in limbo.. the most exciting thing is the Apollo bars...
Looking forward to meeting Dennis and TLCM at the Lexington event!
Actually talked to someone that is not a Lostie about what I was doing and they did not think I was bonkers! She actually thought it was neat "something different to do".
Thanks for all the Kudos.
But just got to say Capcom, your brilliant!
This is why I like bouncing theories off you. The blood change is almost certainly a way for him to avoid the virus. I had almsot forgotten about that that seems so long ago.
So we have the answer as to why he is evil. He is persuing his end, but he is messing up the whole soloution by making sure there is one of the "bad" people left alive. Therefore he will kill almost 1/3rd of the population without saving the world and ultimiately it will be he that destroys the world. But does that mean if we were to let him do it, then kill him we'd be alright?
OR
Maybe it will prevent the world, but what he has found is there is ANOTHER WAY, by doing the blood change that he can get rid off whatever it is that can lead to the end of the world that they are trying to change with the mass murder. In other words he does know there is another way and he is choosing this way (which was one of my potential outcomes in my final theory so I like that one better, lol).
Fantastic.
It fits in because it both makes Mittlewerk evil AND gives us the morale dilema AND doesn't mess with the series. Nice.
I keep half expecting to see some email from Rachel about having completed this video... argh
k.c. farmer: very astute on the us/russia MAD still going on. one issue arising from the ussr falling apart was the relative instability it caused across the regions the ussr covered. also the ussr and china were able to exert more control on other nations than russia has since their fall. so i would agree that the fall of our one, big foe has resulted in many smaller, less stable foes. and in that time, china has also developed nuclear missile subs (the ultimate weapon in the arms race) while the us and russia continue to remove them from service.
jessiepao - I was thinking that with my last post... maybe we are supposed to "share" it with Rachel to let her know we are done... hmm
In terms of Mutually Assured Destruction, it only works if you care about being destroyed. You raise excellent points about these smaller unstable countries getting one of the USSR's old nukes. I wonder how much technical knowledge and infrastructure one would need to launch an old nuke and would these small nations have that. Also, I wonder what the shelf life is for a USSR nuke? If the country dissolved in the early 90s, would these nukes eventually fall into disrepair?
Has anyone sent the Sri Lanka Video to THF or one of their goons yet?
fastenyourseatbelts: the tech required to LAUNCH a weapon is immense and very sophisitcated. the tech required to detonate just a warhead once it is in place would be many times less sophisticated. that's why there is such a push for radiation detectors at ports. Regarding the shelf life, the fuels themselves have very long half lifes (that's why waste is such a problem) the rest of the weapons have shorter lives, but still on the order of decades.
fenris, capcom, oxillini, k.c.farmer, etc.: Great postulations! TWM is definitely evil in that he is manipulating variables by making himself one of those who survive (by changing his blood). He seems to believe that dilemma that the greater good is more important than the lesser good -- the 30% fatality rate is for the greater good of the 70% remaining.
So many factors change as time has gone by since the VE was formulated. Sure the Cold War is over, but it is replaced by other powers with nuclear weapons and terrorism threatens everyone. Also, the 1970's hippy philosophy of the DI doesn't hold up in today's world...is there one utopian society that has been a success?
I don't know what's next in this story: What are we supposed to do with the completion of this video? Stop TWM and his gang somehow? I agree that we'll have to wait for the Apollo Candy thing to complete it's course by the 23rd, which is DJ Dan Day. I hope between now and then, we get some direction.
dixxee - Don't say "limbo"! TPTB will swoop down upon us and admonish all TLECers who utter such a term! ; )
Anybody contemplate this yet?
We're engaging in a task set upon us by a mysterious leader, which involves very repetitive entry of data into a computer, and finding that the end result is less than gratifying?
Is this ARG being perpetrated with a certain sense of irony? Are we the test subjects? Are we meant to grow into a tighter community for all this shared effort? Is this just a test to see to what lengths we will go to find the cheese at the end of the maze? Are we coming to the point where, like Locke in the Pearl Station, we feel that perhaps there is no cheese?
There has to be more to this than completing the video. At least I would hope so.
wow - how prophetic Kyle...
anyways.. sending that email to rachel at rachelblake dot com did not work:
That did not work:
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at www.thehansofoundation.org.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
" rachel @ rachelblake . com ":
This address no longer accepts mail.
errr..
Hi there ib4uc... how are you this fine afternoon? I agree.. there has to be more.... What now Rachel? do we go back to waiting for her next stophanso post???
thanks dixxee (at least i think you were talking to me)
sorry about the fantasy football getting cancelled. not enough tlec love for the foosball i guess!
Fenris, I am humbly honored by your compliment! Feeling is mutual.
Everyone else's ideas are so great too, I find it difficult to tear myself away at times when the blog typing is going fast and furious between everyone.
Maven, yeah, hippy utopias, what a joke. :-) But I sure bought into them at the time, they were so compelling.
BTW where is our buddy Dr. Spaongebob? I bet he has to be thrilled that #70 was finally found!
Luv ya all!!! :-)
dixxee - (re: mailer-daemon-type reply)
A brief Google search tells me that the message you received is generated by a real-world mail server, and has no in-game bearing.
That goes only for the actual message itself. The fact that the e-mail address no longer works is still important, I think, and should be viewed as an in-game development until further notice.
But, the message certainly did scare the hell out of me at first. Whew!
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dixxee: I guess we play the waiting game now. Maybe that is phase 4 (hehehe). Oh gosh, I hope not!
hey Ox.. actually I meant thebookpolice Kyle to his comment back at me for using the bad L word..haha.. but I do find all these theories quite prophetic...
As for the fantasy football, I was a bit bummed that it did not work out but that happens sometimes.. not everyone is football fanaticals... was nice to not be the only female that signed up for that one though.. GO LADIES OF TLEC!!
wv: cuhja - sister of cujo?
capcom said: BTW where is our buddy Dr. Spaongebob? I bet he has to be thrilled that #70 was finally found!
I just found out yesterday that he's an eighth grader and started school. That's why we haven't seen him lately.
Ooooh, NIK, I just processed your last paragraph, very good idea!
Dixxee, that was a good idea to email Rachel, even though they've closed it out, how dumb.
thebookpolice..... no cheese?! Say it isn't so!!
I agree though - I expected something to happen at the end of the film. A revelation, a message, something.
how did you send that to her Jessiepao?? what email did you send it to? I tried that with my video using the send sequence button and got the response I posted above...
Yes, there's definitely a feeling of "what do we do now?". We did what Rachel asked and chased down her video and put it together. We have a basic understanding that TWM is killing people. I think she needs to tell us how to stop it.
Until she reaches out to us again, I think we should all sit back, relax, turn on the tube and enjoy a nice George Lopez marathon. Won't that be fun?
so will hanso hand out government cheese, is that what we've determined?
Ox - A little cheese to go with all our whine .. er .. wine..... haha
jessipao,
Isn't that the automated message HE.com has always sent out if you email your sequence to someone?
That is the automated message that goes out when you send your sequence to someone.. that is the message they receive.. send your sequence to your own email from hansoexposed and that is the message you will receive. I did not get anything but the return error message when I sent it to rachel@rachelblake.com .
Dazzed - thanks.. I sent it to rachel@whereisalvar.com and got that same automated response jessiepao got...
Just popping in (mostly lurking and reading at work) to weigh in on the encryption debate about broadcasting the numbers from the island.
My father worked for the military in electronic intelligence. Breaking the encryption that kept the numbers secret would be no problem for the right people--they just probably wouldn't know what the numbers meant once they broke the encryption. And Sam and Leonard were at a Navy "listening" station.
And a science expedition that is going out into would have more than one person good with electronics--they would need to be to keep their own equipment going. So probably no big deal to find the source of the broadcast and change it.
I predict we will get something new today. I predict it will be between 2 and 3 central time. I predict sunday's football game will have manning as the winning quarterback.
Watching 16 hours of George Lopez is damaging to your brain.
When I save at HE and then go to the "recently saved" sequences and watch my own sequence (of all 70) there is a blank capture screen at the end. Is there maybe one more?
fasten.. that is too funny.. I am willing to bet the manning prediction will really come true! NYG vs IND!!! Go Manning Brother's...LOL
It's still shut down for me
it is still shut down for me, too.
Put money on it, dixee. ;>)
Seriously, I really can't believe that TPTB would end the glyph hunt so anticlimaticly. I really think they've got a nice cliffhanger up their sleeve to keep us going through the weekend and towards Sept. 20/23 (the end of WIA and the new DJ Dan).
belly0fdesire said... i still think WiA and ApolloCandy.com, together, are Act 4 and Act 5 is comin' up...
I agree.
Dazzedelf said... According to Nick's blog of the Manchester event, he gleaned this from the PTB there. There's another act to the Lost Experience.
That sounds like ONE more act to me.
I said I knew HE was #3, but thought #4 and #5 were apollo and WIA respectively. Apparently not.
Right. Apollo AND WIA are #4, and #5 is still to come.
That's the way I see it anyways...I don't think there is enough time for two more acts.
ChopsShaw said...
Hey sorry if this is old, but has anyone noticed that the old Hanso site is no longer shutdown.....
I cleared my cache, and it is still shutdown for me...
jessiepao - Did you set the automated mailer thing set to send you a copy of the e-mail? Or did you just send one to yourself?
Because I'm pretty sure the text of the message is meant to reflect an message sent from (say) you to me, with your frag order. That way, when I read it, the message reads as Rachel telling me that one of my cohorts has created this video order.
The vocab breaks down if you send it directly to yourself.
Fastenyourseatbelts said...
Seriously, I really can't believe that TPTB would end the glyph hunt so anticlimaticly. I really think they've got a nice cliffhanger up their sleeve to keep us going through the weekend and towards Sept. 20/23 (the end of WIA and the new DJ Dan).
It's possilbe that Act 5 could start now, since the video is complete. However, I'm guessing that Rachels big reveal will be on the DJ Dan show.
The sad thing is TPTB probably think this was a great ending to the glyph hunt with the numbers, but people have been speculating on them for so long that everyone long ago figured out they had something to do with the VE.
I hope we get something more today.
well, there they go again.. TPTB underestimating the intelligence of the players... unbelievable!! (or not)
Ok.. sarcasm over..
this is almost certainly fake but it may keep you busy for a little while because it is interesting...it came from a fake hanso careers email...
The funniest thing just happened at work.
When I went to our home page it looked just like the folder we found at LYCGY when we logged in. For a moment I thought I had accidently opened a game site and started looking in folders for clues!
I think our communications department just messed up and accidently posted their working folders for designing our new web site.
I think this game is taking over my life, I find links to it everywhere....
Well, great theories to all...I think we just have to wait till WIA.com is fully done to start the next phase. That would really suck, but it seems to be the case...I'm just glad this glyph thing is done.
I'm very happy with the video and all the info we got from it, it just took way to long.
Maybe Mittlewerk will put out his own video, having captured Rachel. We will have to send him our steam irons in order to pay her ransom. Then we will have to take pictures of ourselves in rumpled clothing and post them on wrinkledalvar.com.
TPTB may have had a few glitches in this whole thing, but they do have an idea on how to tell a story. They won't leave us waiting for weeks for the next phase.
thrasher, that's awesome. Lambda Iota Epsilon (LIE). nice! the guy behind that is a Delta Omicron Rho Kappa!
what a DORK
Oxillini - Well I said it was more than likely fake and if anything else it was entertaining....
Thrasher, very entertaining it was....Thanks for the light reading to break up the day :)
OK I've been out for the past hour or so...and trying desperately to catch up, but so many great ideas!
This topic may have been put to bed, but when I mentioned the Cold War ending and communism collapsing etc., I was not only thinking about the implications it had on the possibility of nuclear war, but the impact it had on population, etc. When communism collapsed and new countries were formed: everyone was fighting for land rights, ethnic groups were clashing, economies crumbled, people were starving, etc. So it would seem that THF could've used these factors to change VE as well. Sorry if this has already been discussed to death.
Going to finish catching up now.
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mityh
The giveaways will go on until Sep 30 in Asia (http://axn-asia.com/promotions/lost-apollo-promotion/)
but I just crunched some numbers (XY scatter of percentage values input over at lostpedia since Aug 30) and reckon we will reach 100% on WIA on Friday Sep 22.
oodles: very nerd-a-rific.
lockebox: yes, just the first to find a new glyph.
everyone: my theory is that you guys are the lost experience. Whoa. That was deep.
I know people are bummed that it is only a time issue that dictates when WIA is over...but for those of us who need our Apollo Bars shipped to us from the Apollo Trade group it has given us a chance to play too.
scoutpost: the impact of the fall of the ussr was discussed at the end of the previous post and the beginning of this one. certainly it does create more instability rather than less. regardless of what form of government it is, when a country breaks up into a dozen new countries, its bound to create chaos.
so now what? any other theories to discuss? just wait for a new update?
*twiddles thumbs*
The Apollo Trade Group....NOT a subsidiary of the Hanso Group...
I am off to lunch (or out to lunch...)
Shakey; You had me until:
"God's regimented, obedient, submissive approach against Lucifer's free thinking, self-controlled, chaotic."
I really can't buy into Lucifer having a goal toward a better humanity via "non-evil" ways such as child molestation, and other forms of man's inhumanity to man. Uh-uh. That does not compute. Lucifer, according to belief, has the specific goal of destroying mankind and the earth that God gave to mankind.
Sorry if I am misunderstanding what you meant.
Shakey, you've found a topic even more loaded than 9/11 to breach. Congratulations!
Let's all of us just take Shakey's analogy at its theoretical meaning, and leave the cosmogony at the doorstep.
P.S. And God, according to belief, has the goal of saving mankind from Lucifer's ultimate plan of destruction, by offering mankind the way out of the death spiral via the eternal life that He offered us.
OK, better stop now, getting religiousy and don't want to offend. Just wanted to comment on that "neither God or Lucifer is good or evil" thing.
dazzedelf - Wouldn't that be "nouns verbing nouns"?
Such a dirty mouth.
/thank you groucho
What if the numbers are meaningless? Hanso said Valenzetti assigned numerical values to the factors, not that those values where in some way representative of the factors. They could be just a code...
Speaking of verbing on TV, on the X-Files, did Scully and Mulder actually verb to get William? Or was he from the artificial verbing that they tried?
I never quite got that straight.
dazzed: what if tptb introduce nouns verbing nouns adverbly? explitive would that be adjective!
verbing might be the least attractive gerund i've ever heard used to describe "naughty verb"
ox,
As someone who spends most of her days correcting other people's grammatical errors, I must say that was amusing. Ah, nerd humor... ;-)
and this is what tptb have brought us to. we waited for 70 glyphs to verb about nouns. explitive you tptb! oh, and rachel, i want to verb you!
nitesea: glad you enjoyed it. there's some utility to being the child of a teacher!
although i still refuse to use capital letters.
Sorry about the previous double post...darn blogger.
So Rachel discovers what TWM is up to and takes 6 weeks or so to tell us. Meanwhile, she starts distributing chocolate bars. What did that chocolate/sign language from hell message tell us, as well as one of those strangely shredded memos? I can't remember those details (must go check Lostpedia). But now Rachel's giving out chocolate...is she trying to save the people who get them and eat them, or destroy those who eat them? Did we ever figure out if the chocolate had the virus or the cure?
dazzed, ox.. that is very amusing...good cut in also! I think folks are getting a bit grumpy with the end of the glyph hunt... thanks a bunch.
dazzedelf,
Yeah, sorry I couldn't be there... sounds like it was fun. It was just too much of a haul on a weeknight. If it hadn't been for the Tyson's event, I would've been there, but Tyson's worked better with my schedule.
After much more of this, I think the word verification jumbles are going to start making sense.
Ugh!
no problem dixxee. ever notice that when there's not much going on in the arg, the tlec community kill a little time putting things in order (since the glyph hunt started anyway), then talk theory for a while, then idle chit chat for awhile and then it usually devolves to anger at tptb. it's like we're coming down off our new info high or waking up with a rachel hangover.
Who's grumpy? No one is ever grumpy here, that's why it's such a great place to type and laugh. :-)
i'm just sayin'....
remember when the only thing really going on was the interns screwing up candy distributions, not a lot of glyphs coming out. even belly ranted!
I found something else that's kinda interesting on the S2 bonus features DVD. Should I take it over to TLC or is anyone else interested in non-ARG chatter to fill time?
Guess I can clear glyphomatic, HE.com, HE statistics, and fragment editor off my links toolbar now.
"They think they have a virus carried by local macaques..."
THINK
psychotropic compounds, anyone?
Very true...very true.. a lot of ranting happened at that point... almost time for me to head home and pick up the boys to try to make lexington by 7:30!.. should be an interesting trip...
thebookpolice - do tell, do tell!!
TBP-
I'm interested... I picked up the DVDs but haven't checked out the bonus features yet--do tell...
dixxee: have a fun time in Lexington.
thank ib4uc.. i hope to... too bad you aren't coming out too! then you could listen to my kids tell me I am crazy too :)
Here's why I think we'll get something soon...TPTB transitioned to the last two phases so dramatically with the shutdown of the Hanso site leading us to Rachel, then Rachel appearing at ComicCon leading us to HansoExposed. Does anyone remember how much of a lag there was between phases? Maybe they'll launch the next phase when Australia wakes up.
WAKE UP AUSTRALIA!!!
Admin, thanks for all you have done to lead all of us in the right direction for the glyphs and codes! The work you did on today's finale especially.
I couldn't have gone through this glyph phase successfully without everyone's input as well, so thanks to all! :-)
All - Okay then! Sorry for the delay, I had to grab a bag of pretzels for the 3-4:30 stretch of my workday. Bleh.
Anyway, it's not really a spoiler, because it's more of a character detail that doesn't have any bearing on past plot lines. (and boy, I hope it's not old news, cause this'll be quite anticlimactic)
Nevertheless, if you don't wanna know, don't read these Season 2 Bonus Features DVD SPOILERS!!!!!
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There's a feature called Lost Connections, and it's crazy. It's an interactive web of all the interactions and chance encounters the various LOST characters (Losties and non-Losties) have had over the course of two seasons (including some that are only available in the Deleted Scenes feature of S2:DVD. Anyway, it's structured like a bunch of electronic router boxes, with a screen in the middle and a varying number of cables sticking out. Clicking on these cables will take you to another character's box, where you'll see the video of those two characters' interaction, and a whole new set of wires to connect to other characters. I very briefly played with this, and came upon Christian Shephard's box. By sheer chance (does that exist anymore?) I clicked on a wire that took me to a box that no other wire led to. The "connection" of that one wire to this box appeared frayed, and there were small blue sparks jumping out of it. The screen was full of static. But then, after a few seconds (don't we all think to stare at static now?), a shadowy silhouette appeared of a man in some kind of brimmed hat, arm upraised and apparently waving. Honestly, something like this was the first thing I thought of.
Anyway, this image only appeared for a couple seconds, and then disappeared into the static. This cycle then repeated, with nothing new appearing.
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OKAY COME BACK NOW!!!
So, with the indication that this particular bonus feature will "plant seeds" for S3 plotlines, it seems to me that this character will be very important to future developments. Anyone think he might have some powerful Scandinavian acquaintances?
thebookpolice: Yeah, I ran into that static screen in Lost Connection, too. And saw the silhouette of the person with a hat waving. Once you get to that screen, you're sort of stuck there, and the "game" is over and you have to start again. I think it's just someone waving goodbye...end of connections!
I do remember that, yes. But until now, I had chalked that up to "something of reasonable if not substantial importance."
However, with the info, meager though it is, from the S2 DVD, I am left with the strong suspicion that he may very well be the lynchpin to the entire mythology of LOST.
maven - No, you can click back (I think) on the wire that took you there, to get back to the previous screen. But I never tested this; I just noted that you could move the cursor over to the wire connection again once you got to the mystery screen.
Hey, Check out ethanrommm's pic on WIA.com (page 4). He's inside the hatch with Locke and Eko...LOL
It's slow, so I'd thought you guys can use something entertaining...
Very cool pic by the way.
book: Thanks. I remember trying to get off the static screen and getting stuck. I tried clicking on the cable that got me there...but nothing. I'll have to try it out later.
Have you found where the Desmond screen is? Someone posted (I think Capcom) about it: "If you make it the Desmond screen you can click the top cable on the left side and it will take you to a blank screen. The camera zooms in on the screen and it turns into the moniter from the computer in the hatch. If you have numbers on your DVD remote you can type in the numbers and the screen changes back. A short loop plays with the numbers floating around but you can click on cables that show short clips detailing specific numbers. At the end of the video for 8 the psychic tells Claire about flight 815 and the numbers 8 and 15 show up on the screen. Then it says 8+15=23 and then 4+8+15+16+23+42=108 then the number 108 zooms in. It gets some static for a second and then you see a copy of the Valenzetti Equation book by Gary Troupe. Could this mean that they are finally gonna release a copy of the book for sale?"
Okay, so we know the numbers are part of the Valenzetti Equation. But did anyone who knows the least bit about the equation ever doubt that? I don't think we've really nailed what the numbers mean yet. Remember that the whole experience is supposed to tell us something about these digits.
I think that the VE is just another way that these numbers permeate everyday life. What does the Valenzetti Equation have to do with Hurley winning the lottery for example? Why are these numbers so lucky (or unlucky)? We're only just past the midpoint of the game, remember, and this is just reaffirming what we sort of already guessed. The numbers are significant in different ways, and I don't think we've learned all of those different ways yet.
There's more to come my friends, don't be disappointed yet.
jpike001 - Something tells me that once I got to Christian's screen (and I honestly can't remember how I got there, but it was off of Jack's, which is the one you start at), it was the bottom wire on the right side of the screen. I could be wrong, but that feels right. I'll check when I get home.
cyberyang - It was actually a little bag of peanut butter and pretzel "sandwiches," from Snyder's of Hanover. Few combinations exist in nature that are more powerful or tasty.
maven - Nice! See, I knew this feature had to be chock full of nerdy goodness. I'll have to play over the weekend. I will report back as I have time!
To all, though, beware that I found the main episode discs to be a little buggy. The bog-down between episodes is pretty bad, compared to other ABC or Fox TV show DVD releases. Even skipping ahead from the credits doesn't alleviate it in some instances, and the discs even got hung up once or twice. Just FYI, it could be my old DVD player.
hansolow - Really?....Hm. Unless there's some wire splicing by the DVD Powers That Be, I guess I don't know how that could be logically explained. Interesting...
I was wondering... Who is "going to help" THF?
Thanks Shakey, I'm good. :-)
TheBookPolice said...
"To all, though, beware that I found the main episode discs to be a little buggy. The bog-down between episodes is pretty bad, compared to other ABC or Fox TV show DVD releases. Even skipping ahead from the credits doesn't alleviate it in some instances, and the discs even got hung up once or twice. Just FYI, it could be my old DVD player."
I have only been "playing" with Disk 7. This disk has a copy protection scheme that is difficult to bypass. This may be why some of the disks act a little buggy. I am guessing here. I will delve deeper this weekend......
is anything going on in the game now??
is anything going on in this game???
2costa-Nothing Man...Just waiting and theorizing. I know, we need some action...!!!
FYI: The new People and EW have a neat insert of the LOST poster (with all the faces on it) and SIX DEGREES on the other side. I got 2 of them since I subscribe to both mags!
I really think TPTB should make a two hour special covering all the Experience. Repeating all this info in the show doesn't seem to be the best option and, that way, they would waste all this Mittelwerk-Rachel-Valenzetti stuff, which would definitely make some a great special episode!
Right on Maven, My girlfiend subscibed to those mags for this game...Can't wait to check out that poster.Thanks for the info.
thinbluemime said...
I have only been "playing" with Disk 7. This disk has a copy protection scheme that is difficult to bypass. This may be why some of the disks act a little buggy. I am guessing here. I will delve deeper this weekend......
Try RipIt4Me: http://www.ripit4me.org/
Re: Season 2 bonus features DVD
SPOILER-ISH?
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Someone on another thread mentioned a video with Marvin Candle with both arms functioning. I interpreted what that person was saying as meaning that it was another version of the Swan video, but with two working arms. However, now that I've played with it, this is in fact an entirely new orientation video. It does not appear to correspond to any particular station (could be a Pearl Station flick), but is interesting nonetheless. There's a little more insight into the daily activities of DI operatives.
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Okay, done.
Another interesting question: If Dharma was only working in the "environment factors", what was the purpose of the Pearl station?
lost: perhaps to record what happens to people in a bunker-like "hatch" environment. do they go mad? do they keep doing as told? do they rewrite shakespeare's plays, etc.
dennis, Thank You & I will :)
Ryan, why are you telling Aus to wake up? I only skimmed the thread 'coz I gotta go feed mouths, so I guess I missed something and you'll have to spell it out for me
oxillini: But isn't that a... human factor? :P
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