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Clue #139 - RachelBlake.com, StopHanso.RachelBlake.com, & WhereisAlvar.com Updates









There is a new post on RachelBlake.com. Converting the binary to text gives hex, which then converts to what appears to be a reply to Rachel from Malik saying, "R -- I respect your caution. Suppose it's warranted, after all you've come through. I can't remember it exactly, but I think when we were in the stairwell in Paris, you muted the mic as I said "Because he wanted me to help you, and I can't question a man who would launch the Mental Health Appeal... to save a loved one." Say what you will about him now, his heart was once in the right place."

There is also a new post on stophanso.rachelblake.com. The octal decodes to "IiY'nCmN" which can be rearranged to read "I'm in NYC."











Rachel has posted another encrypted message at whereisalvar.com. See the picture posted by user "rachel@whereisalvar.com". Because of all the excellent decoding/encoding work in the comments, the message has been translated to say, "You lived in 3 different apartments. Be waiting outside your second at 7:45 PM. I'm sending a car. Hope you remember the brand of iron you hit me with, because that's the code."

Thanks to makomk, Vashti87, Donn, Kenneth, Main, Mark, and Bassclef42 for emailing us this information.

320 Comments:

Blogger thinbluemime said...

Hello, Is AnyBody Out There....

9/14/2006 07:17:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

How did rissy5959 get "I'm in NY?"

9/14/2006 07:22:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

sorry, what's an octal (something with 8 but what exactly)?

9/14/2006 07:22:00 AM  
Blogger The Penuels said...

I've been on the old Hanso site looking for info on the MHA...I miss the mystique of that soothing music.

9/14/2006 07:26:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

Thanks peaceandnamaste.

9/14/2006 07:29:00 AM  
Blogger The Penuels said...

makomk,
Thanks a ton for emailing us so quickly. I love rolling out of bed and seeing new clue emails! :)

9/14/2006 07:34:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

Any one seeing rachels site kinda messed up?
http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/2006/09/111151131047156103155116056.html

Here is what I am seeing...Just me?

http://lostdude.com/lostpics/stophanso.rachelblake.com_2006-09-14A_2.jpg

9/14/2006 07:35:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

aaggh - top 15 - I was busy working this out and posting on the last thread.

9/14/2006 07:35:00 AM  
Blogger The Penuels said...

peaceandnamaste,
yeah. Did you see how I deleted my post? I realized how stupid my question was. I haven't had my coffee yet.

9/14/2006 07:38:00 AM  
Blogger ib4uc said...

Good job makomk!

9/14/2006 07:46:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

Good morning, all -

I just wanted to post this from the last thread - did anyone else see this last night? Was it new, or had it been seen before?


"ABC showed a preview of the new season tonight. I just watched the drama preview at 9:30 Eastern time. At the end, just before 10, there was a segment on Lost.


***spoiler***

They showed a clip from season 3 with Sawyer in a cage. He pushes a button marked with a knife and fork and gets a warning message. A kid in a different cage (sounded like Sawyer called him Kyle) warns him not to do that, but he pushes it again and is blasted back.

They also played the same spot that I've seen on Youtube, although the earlier spots say "65 days ago. they fell from the sky" and the one tonight said "67 days ago.""

I watched all the spots that Dixee posted yesterday, and hadn't seen the scene with Sawyer before. I'm also curious as to why they changed the number of days.

9/14/2006 07:49:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

Yes Credit to Makomk - Super fast - I would like to say I was slow because I am at work but I'm on my lunch break ;)

9/14/2006 07:51:00 AM  
Blogger ib4uc said...

Melissa: I saw the previews for S3 also. Didn't catch or pay attention to the days thing though. What the heck's up with the cage and who is that boy? Just another mystery...

9/14/2006 07:56:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

Melissa_Lossa
curious.... 65 vs 67
I will keep eye open for new Lost promos, if the "day count" changes again, it may be a clue of some sort

9/14/2006 07:57:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

p&n -

That's kind of what I figured about the dates as well. I can't imagine it has any other meaning.


***spoiler***

In the scene with Sawyer, he is in a cage in the jungle. He sees the knife and fork button, and underneath it is some kind of chute. He looks around the cell and sees a big red pedal, which he steps on; nothing happens. He then sees a red lever, which he pushes; again, nothing happens. He then pushes the knife and fork button and a voice says "warning." Somewhere in the middle of this, there's a quick shot of the kid, who's in another cell and is wearing a t-shirt and jeans or khakis. He looks maybe 17 or 18. I assumed he was one of the kidnapped tailies. Sawyer pushes the button again and gets the same "warning." The kid says "I wouldn't do that," or something to that affect. Sawyer answers "when I want your advice, (Kyle?), I'll ask for it." He pushes the button again and is blown back across the cell. The scene ends with Sawyer saying "son of a b----."

Hopefully, someone puts it up on youtube. I can't be the only one who saw it!

9/14/2006 08:02:00 AM  
Blogger ib4uc said...

cubeberg: I thought the same thing, only I was thinking maybe a gorilla or ape (Joop?).

9/14/2006 08:03:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

cubeberg - I thought the same thing. With the buttons and levers, it definately had a zoo or animal testing feel to it.

9/14/2006 08:03:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

A polar bear type feel?

9/14/2006 08:07:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

dark angel - could be a polar bear, or another type of animal. That pedal on the floor was pretty big, so it could have easily been for a large animal like that. However, when I saw the knife and fork button, with the chute underneath, I immediately assumed (as did Sawyer, I'm sure) that it was for food. I don't know if an animal would associate utensils with food. Curious.

9/14/2006 08:10:00 AM  
Blogger Your Mother said...

Morning all. I have to agree that it seemed like a cage you'd see in a zoo, but I'm not entirely sure that animals would get the knife and fork. Why not just have a red button?

Also, thank goodness for this site, otherwise I'd be completely "lost" on all this binary business.

9/14/2006 08:12:00 AM  
Blogger Your Mother said...

Haha, posted my thoughts about a minute too late Melissa_lossa. You put it much more eloquently tho.

9/14/2006 08:13:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

Melissa_Lossa-I Just found it on youtube, and "67" days ago....is exactly as you saw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1GocGVIkb4

9/14/2006 08:13:00 AM  
Blogger Your Mother said...

true cube, but why get them to associate the picture in the first place? they wouldn't associate the picture with food until pushing the button had worked a few times ... **** SPOILER ****

which it appears it doesn't as it says "warning" and then shocks you (or something). Whoever or whatever is in that cageis meant to think food will come from pushing that button.

9/14/2006 08:19:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

thinbluemime said...

Any one seeing rachels site kinda messed up? Here is what I am seeing...Just me?

Are you using Firefox? It's OK for me in IE, but messed up in FireFox.

9/14/2006 08:19:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

Yeah, after watching that again, it definately looks like a cage for an animal. And I think Sawyer says Carl, not Kyle.

9/14/2006 08:23:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

dennis...I am using Opera, so that may be the problem, Thanks!

9/14/2006 08:25:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

**************spoiler*****************








Melissa_Lossa said... (sounded like Sawyer called him Kyle)

Sounds like he said "Carl" to me...

Very interesting clip! Thanks

**************spoiler*****************

9/14/2006 08:26:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

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9/14/2006 08:28:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

Mmn Very interesting - watched it without sound but those buttons /paddles / pedals do all look bear-sized.

The electric shock might be part of some Milgram-esque psychology experiment.

No wonder the poor bears always seem so pissed off. They never know whether they are going to get
Bear Food (seal puree or porridge I guess) or a nasty shock.

9/14/2006 08:29:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

Thinking about it I don't know what would me worse for Sawyer, an electric shock or a batch of seal puree - mmmn nice!

9/14/2006 08:34:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

good thought, ular98, and it goes along with the cages being out in the middle of the jungle, isolated

although, the people or animals in the two cells could see each other... interesting

9/14/2006 08:49:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

Could it be that the two animals/prisoners have to work together to get a reward. If they both press their buttons together they are rewarded. If they act indepndently they are punished.

9/14/2006 08:57:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

o.k. so Hanso launched the mental health appeal to save RB, his stupid daughter.

Obviously he failed.

9/14/2006 08:58:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

noblelawyer said... o.k. so Hanso launched the mental health appeal to save RB, his stupid daughter. Obviously he failed.

LSHNEMB!!!!

Don't be a playa hater :)

9/14/2006 09:00:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

leelee - I'm really interested in that as well, although it's actually from the season 2 finale, I believe. I also find it interesting that the promo says something about finding out that we don't really know what we think we know. My guess is The Others will turn out to not be so bad afterall - in a sense, they are the "good" guys.


Dark Angel - I like that theory about them having to work together - kind of fits into the whole Dharma idea.

9/14/2006 09:07:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Morning, everyone!

Why does Malek need to know RB is in NY to meet her in Norway?


****Spoiler***
Assuming the cage was part of the Dharma Initiative and assuming that DI started out honest like has been suggested most recently by Malek, then I think that 1) the cage was meant for an animal, 2)the buttons don't do anything because they are no longer activated and the original experiment is no longer active, 3) the cage has been rewired to serve the purposes of the Others, and 4) this is another example of how the Hanso Foundation and DI, while starting out on the right foot, has gone totally wrong.

About the time difference, it could be explained by a 2 day gap between the end of season 2 and the start of season 3, meaning we left the kiddos on the pier and the next time we see them it is two days later.

9/14/2006 09:08:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

a lot of the material from the promos is from season 2 though.

9/14/2006 09:10:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

*********UK spoiler********

that was from the end of season 2 before Michael boated away with Walt. We have long been speculationg on what the other's have meant by "Good ones" and "good guys" through out season 2

9/14/2006 09:12:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

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9/14/2006 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

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9/14/2006 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Ugh! Let's see if I can get it right this time!



*****Spoilers****


Dark Angel: Yeah, the work together theory is good too.

Also about the good guys, I'm reminded about a show somewhere where there was an island with soliders on it fighting WWII because they had lost all communication with the outside world. Those soldiers would have said they were the "good guys" too, but they were acting on outdated information and fighting an irrelevant cause.

I think something similar may be happening here. The Others started out as the good guys, scientists of the Dharma Initiative. In the mean time, their actions have changed as they've been left to fend for themselves. They could be "bad guys" in their actions but in their minds still consider themselves to be good guys because they started out that way.

9/14/2006 09:16:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

Twinkle said...
*****Spoilers****


Dark Angel: Yeah, the work together theory is good too.


I knew specialising in Animal Behaviour at Uni. would be useful one day!

I wonder if Sawyer is being held at the Zoological Research Station?

9/14/2006 09:17:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

about the cage in the season preview -

Those are not bear size paddles.

they are Orangatang and Gorilla sized paddles. And Gorillas and sometimes orangatangs can learn meaning of symbols (like the knife and fork) although I don't know why they would use utensils for apes.

The fact that there are utensils on the button and a verbal warning (can't hear at work but from prevous posts here seems to be a verbal warning) It would seem that it was made specifically for humans.

Would not be at all surprised if was always intended for humans but made very much like an animal cage to dehumanize the prisoners.

9/14/2006 09:17:00 AM  
Blogger Your Mother said...

Thta's a good way of looking at it noble ...

9/14/2006 09:19:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

So the quote attached to the MHP, specifically, "...those who can not shine for themselves." Makes me think that the MHA was not started to help Rachel. I am leaning toward the idea that the "loved one" referred to by Malek was perhaps Rachel's mother.

Oh and agreed Dennis...when I saw the Lost sneak peek last night I heard Carl.

9/14/2006 09:20:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

ular98 said...
It sounds sort of like an RPG...put the block on that lever, while shooting an arrow into this one and when the light comes on hit the last one. LOL

Joking aside you might be close to the truth - it may take a co-ordinated effort from both prisoners to activate the food delivery.

I still reackon these a polar bear cages though.

9/14/2006 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

noblelawyer said...

they are Orangatang and Gorilla sized paddles. And Gorillas and sometimes orangatangs can learn meaning of symbols (like the knife and fork) although I don't know why they would use utensils for apes.

Is this where Joop was trained?

I think that even if they don't need the fork & knife symbol for the animals in the cage, it might be there to remind the the trainer -- as in, "what was that button for...?"

9/14/2006 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Dark Angel said: I wonder if Sawyer is being held at the Zoological Research Station?


*****Spoilers****
That's what makes the most sense to me. IMHO the utensils and voice warning could be modifications made by the others for human experiements. But I believe that the DI started out clean and honest and has changed, so we're not seeing the cages in their original configuration. We can't neccessarily take the way the cages are now for the way they have always been since the start of the DI. Same with the Others.

9/14/2006 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Ange said...
I am leaning toward the idea that the "loved one" referred to by Malek was perhaps Rachel's mother.


Yeah, me too.

leelee: Good point. That could be the conflict TPTB are trying to set up.

9/14/2006 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

twinkle - I agree. Whatever the original purpose/experiment was, it has certainly been altered.

And back to the game - I definately think that it was Rachel's mother that the MHA was supposed to help. Could be the age old story - Alvar's a bad, gun running dude until he falls in love with a sweet lady (although apparently a mentally unstable lady) and decides to change his ways.

9/14/2006 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger High Power Rocketry said...

I think alvar hanzo is secretly a woman.

9/14/2006 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

The symbols on the button could be for the researchers, or for example to make it clear in a video observing the bears of what the button was for. Imagine film that was going out to researchers who didn't sahre a common language. It would be clear what the button was for even if you didn't understand the dialogue, or if there was no dialogue.

I think these cages weere originally used for the poor polar bears but are now being used purely as safe place to put a very angry (and therefore potentially dangerous) Sawyer. I wonder if the other guy - Carl(?) is one of the Talies

9/14/2006 09:29:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

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Is your F5 key wearing out from over-use?
Are you using Firefox?

Check out this cool FireFox Ad-on: ReloadEvery

It will refesh any webpage automatically, just right-click and set any interval you want. (Just make sure you turn it off before you start typing any comments)

BTW, I did not make it, but I like it.

9/14/2006 09:30:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

PS apologies for all the typos - alternating between work and TLEC (real work)

9/14/2006 09:30:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Alex: So then he's Rachel's mother? LOL!

The casting call for the Alvar character mentioned something about a love interest I think. Does anyone have the link to those casting calls? They're interesting to refer to as the story progresses.

Boy, it's nice to have something new to discuss and theorize about!

9/14/2006 09:31:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Melissa_Lossa said...

I definately think that it was Rachel's mother that the MHA was supposed to help. Could be the age old story - Alvar's a bad, gun running dude until he falls in love with a sweet lady (although apparently a mentally unstable lady) and decides to change his ways.

I agree. But maybe she's not so much "mentally unstable", but more like Alzheimer's disease.

9/14/2006 09:32:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

dennis, Opera has that function built in :)
Now if it would only display Rachels site correctly :(.......... LOL

9/14/2006 09:33:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

GOOD MORNING TLEC!!!
Man cool new promo vid, can't wait for S3.
I hate when I wake up and get on and the clue has been found for the day...Oh well. Hopefully we'll get more today.

9/14/2006 09:34:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

leelee - I agree that figuring out how the Others define "good" is crucial to the story of the show.

A psycopath may have a definition of good that is contrary to what is known as good in civil society.

And many many atrocities, in fact just about all atrocities committed by us have been done in the name of what is good.

The Nazis exterminated the Jews for the good of the ariane race.

The Inquisition was done for the good of those they killed and tortured.

The Crusades were done to exterminate and/or convert the muslims for their own good and the good of christianity

The institution of slavery in thte United STates was done for the good of the blacks they enslaved because they were too stupid to take care of themselves.

See how as humans we have a way of rationalizing the horrible things we do to one another? We rationalize and say things we do are for the good of those we do the things to, when really it is purely selfish reasons.

I think the dharma initiative failed because while it tried to figure out how to improve the human in race and condition, it ended up just boiling the people down to their most elemental and brutal origins.

9/14/2006 09:35:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

thats what i was thinking noble. a bad guy never thinks of himself as a bad guy. it all depends on point of view.

9/14/2006 09:42:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

Twinkle said...
Boy, it's nice to have something new to discuss and theorize about!

I agree twinkle (and hi:))...it's been a long time since I've felt like posting:)

So the wording used in Malekl's message was interesting as well. He said, "...to SAVE a loved one." I wonder if Rachel's mother (if it is indeed her that he is talking about) committed suicide.

*I also included a neurological disease...but it was already posted by the time I finished writing this....things are quick today and it is GOOD!

9/14/2006 09:42:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

good morning class. new notes from our lovebirds, huh?

9/14/2006 09:42:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

Now all together class....

"Good Moning Mr. Oxillini"

9/14/2006 09:45:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Good Moning Mr. Oxillini

9/14/2006 09:46:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

Hmmm... good point, dennis, although I'm kind of hoping for a Benny & Joon revelation. :) Alvar created the MHA because his true love was bonkers.

I know that sounds very un-PC, but bonkers is such a fun word! I'm really a very nice girl, I promise. :)

9/14/2006 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

exerpt from TV guide

SPOILERS

the writers tone down the mythology and up the action-adventure. the premiere focuses on jack, kate and sawyer who are being held seperately in varying degrees of discomfort. likewise, desmond, eko and locke initially are "not together."

9/14/2006 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

SPOILER (even for US viewers)******************************************











desmond is alice.

9/14/2006 09:50:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

DAMN! I MEANT TO SAY HES ALIVE. i just cought that.

9/14/2006 09:50:00 AM  
Blogger picsel said...

Okay whats up with the link tht says 57 on stophanso.rb.com ? like loads of pictures some static and some flicking to others with numbers and whatnot(ps i lost my laptop for 2 weeks and im catching up on stuff so go easy on me :p)

9/14/2006 09:52:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Sean,

FYI, You can delete a post by clicking the little trash can next to your bad post...

9/14/2006 09:52:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

I prefer Desmond is Alice

Alice, Alice who the f*** is Alice

(Sorry those not from the UK may not get that)

9/14/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

yeah, but i worked so hard on that post.

9/14/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

picsel said...

Okay whats up with the link tht says 57 on stophanso.rb.com ?

That's an old clue. That's where we got Glyph #57

9/14/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger picsel said...

anyone else caught on that perhaps the loved one was perhaps liddy/libby? (sorry i just thought i had to bring up an old argument

9/14/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

maybe he goes further down the rabbit hole!

9/14/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

and it is funny,

9/14/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger FYSB said...

Good morning...sneaking out of a meeting to check TLEC, man, I need an intervention.

Here's a quick thought/question:

When Malik was in the stairwell with Rachel, he said something to the effect of "I heard your mother died. Is she the one who told you?"

If Rachel's mom was the one that was crazy, I'm not sure she would be sharing details on Alvar and the Mental Health Initiative...at least not with any credibility.

Now the theory I like is that RACHEL is crazy and her mom is the one who told her she was nuts before she died. Alvar and Mom put together the MHI to help Rachel.

I know, I know, it's way out there, but seriously, doesn't that help explain those ridiculous candy bars? ;>)

9/14/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

I swear if this game ends with "surprise! Rachels' just, oh let's say bonkers," I am going to be really upset.

9/14/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

It could be Liddy/Libby and that's why she was in the Mental Institute but I have a feel that they'll keep this to TLE characters at the moment.

9/14/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

if only i knew where in NY rachel is, i could meet up with her.

9/14/2006 09:57:00 AM  
Blogger picsel said...

yes fastenyourseatbelts i like the theory and i really do but im still gunna take the piss out of it.... yes and really we're all figments of ther crazy woman's mind, and really at the end of TLE she is going to wak eup and realise it was all a dream and really none of this happened - on the plus side it would mean we would never have actually spent ages searching for glyphs

9/14/2006 09:58:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

kvonhard: where at? wia doesn't load right on my computer. can someone cut and paste it?

9/14/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger picsel said...

dark angel - steal y post why dont you :p

9/14/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

or maybe its the opposite. maybe this is all real and we think its a game.

9/14/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

I can see the end now....

Rachel wakes up in her bed in Kansas.

"Oh I had the strangest dream and you were all there, Thomas you were a cowardly meglomaniac and Uncle Alvar you were there too and Malik you were there but you were an Iron Man......"

Maybe it's just be thats bonkers....

9/14/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

can someone check out the binary on whereisalvar that kvonhard was talking about?

9/14/2006 10:00:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

on it....

9/14/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

how can locke and eko not be together? they were standing next to one another when whenever it was went off, went off.

9/14/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger FYSB said...

re: binary on where is alvar...

it's a picture someone named rachel@whereisalvar.com. not cut and pastable. can someone put it up on photobucket?

9/14/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

i dont think you can copy it. you have to go the old school way, write it all down and submit it into the decoder.

9/14/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger picsel said...

im working on it now, going to take a while tho

9/14/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

screen cap anyone?

9/14/2006 10:03:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

stupid work computer. it's almost as if they don't want me on wia.com from work. now that's bonkers!

9/14/2006 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

***spoiler***


noblelawyer - wasn't Locke still locked in the computer room? and Eko was outside - he was taken out by the first blast

I'm guessing they're going to have to dig each other out

9/14/2006 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

maybe we can break up and each can decipher parts. it would be quicker.

9/14/2006 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

it would be a lot faster than having one person decipher the whole thing.

9/14/2006 10:06:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

i'll work on a part if i can get one!

9/14/2006 10:06:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

good spot kvonhard, looks like we've got the lead on this one too!

9/14/2006 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

should we each do one line, or something?

9/14/2006 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

Right on more action....Go team go!!!

9/14/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

i can do the top 2 rows. the first row is very short.

9/14/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

anyone know a good binary translator?

9/14/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

5th line converts to....

9/14/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

dennis, i like:

http://www.theskull.com/javascript/ascii-binary.html

9/14/2006 10:10:00 AM  
Blogger The Penuels said...

WHERE IS ALVAR FROM RACHEL
I got a cap for those of you that are having problems. Any luck decoding yet? Sorry I'm coming in late.

9/14/2006 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

Hi Guys

Try http://nickciske.com/tools/binary.php

I make the first two lines

596
974746F3A6

but i should really recheck

9/14/2006 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

"E686hnjll6"

which is nothing.

9/14/2006 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger Tresbien said...

http://www.paulschou.com/tools/xlate/ Many people use this binary translator.

9/14/2006 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

so....
line 1 - 596
line 2 - 974746F3A6
Line 3 -
Line 4 -
Line 5 - E686hnjll6

9/14/2006 10:13:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

it think this is just someone having a good time.

someone wanting to see if people will waste there time figuring it out.

But hey, what have we got to do anyway?

9/14/2006 10:15:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

i tried to decipher the top 2 lines and got giberish.

9/14/2006 10:15:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

maybe it has to be done all at once? i dont know how binary works.

9/14/2006 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

596974746F3A6 is what i got.

9/14/2006 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger The Penuels said...

noblelawyer,
I think they "screen" every photo for approval before posting on wia.com. I don't see how someone could get a pic on there without an Apollo bar is they weren't Rachel.

9/14/2006 10:17:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

well is this another case of where we have to do a binary conversion to text and then put that into another conversion as well?

9/14/2006 10:20:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

i think each group of numbers is a letter. i put letters into the decoder and i got:

a=01100001
b=01100010
c=01100011
and so on.

9/14/2006 10:21:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

I am wondering if this is a code within a code - IE - Convert from Binary to Hex and then Hex to ASCII.

The Other question is how do we read it I am assuming from left to right but would it make more sense going down each column?

9/14/2006 10:22:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

maybe were not supposed to put the spaces.

9/14/2006 10:23:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Butting in to say good morning while you guys work on the new WIA code! I'm in awe of all your skills to work on this. And am very grateful, too. Decoding is way above me! ...

Just adding my thoughts that I agree with most of you that the loved one that Alvar started MHP for could be Rachel's mom...mom could have either had depression or alzheimer's.

Re the promo scene of Sawyer last night: Definitely a animal cage. Probably a lot of experimenting done there to condition the animals to hit that button for food, but only at certain times.

9/14/2006 10:24:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

i assumed it was binary to hex to ascii, but that's giving gibberish. plus that means noble's line 5 is gibberish, because you can't have an n in hex

9/14/2006 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

No, I am pretty sure the Binary converts into Hex and the HEX into Ascii - I tried it on the first few and came up with Yitto?

If i get time I will try and convert a chunk but it is not easy at work!

9/14/2006 10:27:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

sean: spaces won't matter.

so far, the last two lines donw in binary to hex to ascii are:

7nprrih.?

which is also crap. it is definitely binary to hex and probably to ascii, but then what, i though maybe rot-something, but that's screwed because of the number and the symbols

9/14/2006 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

MMn good point no N in Hex - Maybe if we decode it all from Binary first the next step will become clearer

9/14/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

each little eight bit chunk makes one letter there's only sixteen combinations in there. (should be anyway) this is feeling fake to me.

9/14/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Here's what I get:

01011001 01101001 01110100 01110100 01101111 00111010 01100100 01100101 01110100 01101111 01110100 01100001 01101111 01100110 01101101 01101001 01110101 00110100 01101001 01111001 01101000 01101110 01101000 01110100 01110101 01100110 01100101 01101110 01110010 00110101 01101110 01101111 01100101 01111001 00101100 00100111 01101100 01100101 01101110 01100111 01110011 01010000 01100111 01110101 01100010 01101111 01100010 01110011 01101001 01110010 01110100 01101111 01100101 01001101 01100001 01110010 01110010 01110101 01100101 01110101 01110110 01100101 01110011 01110101 01100011 00101110 01100011 01100101 01100001 01101000 01100011 01101000 01100101 01101110 00101110 01110100 01101111 01001001 01100001 01101101 01101110 01101001 01100001 01100101 01100100 01110100 01000010 01110011 01101110 00100111 01110010 01100101 01100100 01110100 01110101 01100011 01101001 01100001 01100101 01101001 01100101 01101101 00101110 01101101 01101111 01101101 00110110 11110110 11100111 00000111 01110110 01000110 00010111 00110100 10000110 00100110 01100110 01010110 01010110 01000011 00110110 00010110 00010110 01010111 01000110 01010110 11110110 01010110 10010111 01110111 01000110 01010110 01000110 00100110 10010111 10010011 01110110 11100111 00000111 00100111 00100110 10010110 10000010 11100000 00000000

But when I convert it to text, I get gibberish...any suggestions?

9/14/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger DharmaChick said...

Just stopping by.
A BIG thanks to those of you working on the code.
I really don't have time to transcribe and convert it while at work right now.

Good luck to you!!

-DC

9/14/2006 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

There must be a clue somewhere as to how to decode this but where that's the question

9/14/2006 10:31:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

I've put in the last 4 lines and gotten gibberish for text and the following hex:
36 46 36 35 36 39 37 37 37 34 36 35 36 34 37 32 36 39 37 39 33 37 36 42 9b 98 1b 99 1b 99 1b 1c 9b 1c 19 22 98 18 00

9/14/2006 10:33:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

maybe we should try octal?

9/14/2006 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

nvm. tried it. didnt work.

9/14/2006 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

sean: it can't be octal, the letters throw that off.

9/14/2006 10:35:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

i figured. but i didnt know a thing about any of these codes until we started this search.

9/14/2006 10:36:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

Reverse it maybe, bottom to top, right to left, then decode?

9/14/2006 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

last four lines also translate as:
dec/char : 54 70 54 53 54 57 55 55 55 52 54 53 54 52 55 50 54 57 55 57 51 55 54 66 155 152 27 153 27 153 27 28 155 28 25 34 152 24 0

and as base64 : NkY2NTY5Nzc3NDY1NjQ3MjY5NzkzNzZCm5gbmRuZGxybHBkimBgA

and as text: 6F656977746564726979376B plus a bunch of boxes that blogger won't allow to post

9/14/2006 10:38:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

tried reversing the binary, then to hex. no dice, last two chunks come up as ??, not a beginning of a word for sure

9/14/2006 10:38:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

could this
111151131047156103155116056
found here
http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/2006/09/111151131047156103155116056.html

Have a tie in with the pic codes from whereisalvar ?

9/14/2006 10:38:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

I only know haw to input these things i the one translator I have. I have no idea where to go or what to do from there.

I too only started learning about this stuff due to this game, so will leave it to smarter, more accomplished people.

9/14/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

for all this work, it better not end up saying

I love you, Malik!!

XOXOXO Rachel!

9/14/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

If you go from Binary to Hex to Ascii you get

Yitto:detotaofmiu4iyhnhtufenr5noey,'lengsPgubobsirtoeMarruetvesuc.ceahchen.toIamniaedtBsn'r

It's either a ceasar cipher or an anagram

9/14/2006 10:40:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

LoL Sean

9/14/2006 10:40:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

that would be an impossible anagram

9/14/2006 10:41:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

ive gotten "yitto" a few times when i deciphered (tried to decipher) a few different codes.

9/14/2006 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Lotsa luck anagraming that!

9/14/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

maybe yitto can be an anagram for a name.

9/14/2006 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

Hi guys, just dropping in for min,
I think it might be Binary to Dec/Char to Hex to Ascii. I tried a few codes from top left down and got actual letters.
Trying left>right now.

9/14/2006 10:45:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

really? crap, that means it is real, and we gotta figure it out, which is cool, but also a problem since we are having so many problems.

9/14/2006 10:45:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

at least it helps with inputing it into translators.

9/14/2006 10:47:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

wait that is a different message???? I'm confused.

9/14/2006 10:48:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

id love to stay and see where this goes, but im running late. ill be back in a while.

9/14/2006 10:49:00 AM  
Blogger Capcom said...

Noble; nice explanation of how "good" can sometimes be relative in definition. I think that has not been taken into consideration in the posts for the most part.

Actually though, the Crusades were more of a reaction to a few hundred years of Muslim/Turk aggression across the Holy Land, Asia Minor, Europe, etc.

As for the cage, I'm going with the ape-cage theory. Dr. Penny (forget her last name) has done amazing things with gorillas (e.g. Koko) in the way of teaching them sign language, symbols, communication, etc. (www.koko.com) Michael the male gorilla even painted pictures that looked very much like his dog! The fork/knife button could stand for "food" (once the apes learn the symbols), but in order to keep the apes from pushing the food button too much, when the button says "warning", maybe they are to learn that they are not to push it a second time. As long as the button doesn't say it, they can push for food as much as they like.

Just my $.02 :-) Sorry if this has already been posted by the time I got it printed out.

9/14/2006 10:49:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

well I'm going to get some work done. I am sure ya'll will figure out this code if it is legit.

9/14/2006 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

Sorry, I was wrong, doesn't seem to work. I'm in the same boat as noblelawyer. Fair play to you peaceandnamaste for transcribing!!

9/14/2006 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger Chris Procter said...

Hi Guys

Got to go now - catch up later

9/14/2006 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger picsel said...

Yitto:detotaofmiu4iyhnhtufenr5noey,'lengsPgubobsirtoeMarruetvesuc.ceahchen.toIamniaedtBsn'redtuciaeidm.momsonpwdasHbfeed3aaeteoeiwtedriy7nprrih.

9/14/2006 11:10:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

Well, we wanted a challenge...This is what we get.
We need some more peeps back in the day from Phase 1 to join in this game again...

9/14/2006 11:12:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Cool, puzzle guys! Sorry I'm no help.

Ange said...
So the wording used in Malekl's message was interesting as well. He said, "...to SAVE a loved one." I wonder if Rachel's mother (if it is indeed her that he is talking about) committed suicide.


The "Rachel is crazy theory" is interesting but unlikely I think. It could be like Ange suggested, a tragic romance between Alvar and Rachel's mother where Rachel's mother commits suicide because she can't take how the Dharma Initiative is changing Alvar or because Alvar disappears.

9/14/2006 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger picsel said...

i dont think its an anagram, we're not the savants at Vik this is another thing to decipher

9/14/2006 11:16:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

holy crap basscle! awesome work!

9/14/2006 11:20:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

dude! Great work bass and peace. Great suggestion!

9/14/2006 11:21:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

is admin around? new post?

9/14/2006 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

Dude, right on Bassclef42...
What was the brand of iron she used...

9/14/2006 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger picsel said...

what brand of iron did she use?

9/14/2006 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger WatermarkStudents said...

ox,
I already added the wia info to the current post. Now I'm finalizing it.

9/14/2006 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

I think they definitely like each other! :-D

That iron being the password is a total flirtation!

9/14/2006 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

can't believe malek was able to see the iron's brandname as it came towards his head! how observant!

9/14/2006 11:24:00 AM  
Blogger WatermarkStudents said...

Great work bassclef!

9/14/2006 11:24:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

Super work, guys!
Still don't know how you got the "Yitto:...". Jee!
Can someone explain please?

9/14/2006 11:24:00 AM  
Blogger WatermarkStudents said...

BTW, my word verification was "impoo"
:)

9/14/2006 11:25:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

cool admin, couldn't remember if you had left or not. guess it was belly i was thinking of.

9/14/2006 11:25:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...


oxillini said...
can't believe malek was able to see the iron's brandname as it came towards his head! how observant!


He probably saw it when he came to.

9/14/2006 11:27:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

3 apartments, do we know this info. Doesn't ring a bell...

9/14/2006 11:28:00 AM  
Blogger DharmaChick said...

Ok, I worked on it anyway... :)

It looks to me like it is definitely bin to ASCII, then the ASCII is actually hex code that needs to be converted again to get the real ASCII values..

The problem is that blank set of binary.
We need that missing set to convert to the proper hex sequence in order to be able translate it fully.

9/14/2006 11:29:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

congradulations on finding the code. now to look through iron catalogs.

9/14/2006 11:29:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

ryandrumz,
I don't think we have that info but it shows that (probably) Hanso has been trailing her for some time, if not ALL the time which would kind of strengthen the theory that Rachel is his daughter.

9/14/2006 11:31:00 AM  
Blogger DharmaChick said...

Ah, ok, I see that we alread got around that.
*blushes*

Ok, well, I just wasted a bunch of time..

9/14/2006 11:31:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

so we need sean to go to every apartment in nyc and say barnd names of irons.

"hi, you don't know me, but does 'rowenta' ring a bell?"

9/14/2006 11:33:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

ok oxillini. ill see if i can get marcus to help me. i mean how many apartments can there be in NYC? right? right?

9/14/2006 11:34:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

So...are we going to have to start decompiling Flash videos posted on Rowenta.com now?

9/14/2006 11:35:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Damn you oxillini! How did we both come up with the same brand?

9/14/2006 11:36:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Why would TPTB want us to figure out where they're meeting up? Most likely the info is to show the relationship between RB and THF (or at least Malek) goes deeper than we knew for sure previously.

Do you supposed this will be the last message? Or will we get one from Rachel confirming?

9/14/2006 11:37:00 AM  
Blogger NobleLawyer said...

Great work! I knew someone here had to get it solved first since ya'll were all so diligently working on it.

9/14/2006 11:37:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

well, i was just dropping in to check the progress. it seems like there was a lot. i have to go back to work, but ill speak again as soon as i get a chance.

9/14/2006 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

sean said...
ok oxillini. ill see if i can get marcus to help me. i mean how many apartments can there be in NYC? right? right?


LSHNEMB!!

Marcus hasn't been on in a while. Do you know how he's doing?

9/14/2006 11:39:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

agreed peaceannamaste. i don't think this is a real-world event. they don't expect anyone to go to an apartment building and yell out the password.

9/14/2006 11:44:00 AM  
Blogger shellma said...

Hi all! Been a reeeaaaally long time since I posted.
I have to say I was quite bored with these communications so far, but it's getting interesting. And I can't WAIT!! 3 weeks to go!!

9/14/2006 11:57:00 AM  
Blogger NiteSea said...

Hey all, looks like I missed an exciting day so far. Hope something else happens now that I have a chance to lurk again...

9/14/2006 12:09:00 PM  
Blogger picsel said...

shellma get your ass on the chatroom williepic!

9/14/2006 12:10:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Anybody have a link to the first, "Copenhagen 1," video of Rachel. Stophanso's archives don't seem to go back that far. It occurred to me that maybe the phone call Rachel received in the middle of the first video was about her mother dying. Did the video just keep rolling or did it break after she said, "Hello?" If it broke then we don't know what happened in the interim. Her reaction wasn't extreme but then again, her mother could have been sick and dying was not a surprise to her.

Then Rachel's grief in Italy would have been fresh and Malek's comment about her mother passing would have been recent news.

Anyway, I'd like to check the video again. Anybody know if it's on YouTube?

9/14/2006 12:15:00 PM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

James, that turned out to be a glyph code. Not sure which clue it was, but definetly old.

9/14/2006 12:24:00 PM  
Blogger Black Swan said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHudJA0u9G0&mode=related&search=

youtube of Rachel video 6

I don't think you can tell what kind of iron it is.

Is that pic on whereisalvar? for real? Can't anyone post anything on there, pretty much?

9/14/2006 12:26:00 PM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

BTW, That pic from Rachael on WIA that we decoded was from Sri Lanka...
I don't think anybody mentioned this.

9/14/2006 12:27:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

So I found the video, Rachel's first post. It definitely seems possible the phone call was news about her mother.

9/14/2006 12:32:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Lostpedia says it appears the phone was dead, but I've always thought that she received bad news.

Maybe it's a trivial piece of information, but the idea that Rachel's mom died while she was in Copenhagen and couldn't go to her make the story more interesting to me. It also makes Rachel's grief and Malek's comment more pertinent. I wonder if it will come into play again later?

9/14/2006 12:45:00 PM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Maybe MHA really stands for Mittlewerk Helps Alvar...

9/14/2006 12:46:00 PM  
Blogger Ange said...

gfd613-Good point about the MHA being created my TWM rather than Alvar. I never even thought of that. If that were so, then it would open up many more lines of thinking and maybe get us away from the Alvar+Rachel's mother lines. I will check Lostpedia and see if they have anything about the MHA.

9/14/2006 12:50:00 PM  
Blogger Dennis said...

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9/14/2006 12:51:00 PM  
Blogger Ange said...

Lostpedia had this to say about the MHA- From Gene Therapies, to radical pharmaceutical treatments and the cutting edge in both surgery and psychotherapy, the Hanso Foundation's Mental Health Appeal is moving forward to fulfill Alvar Hanso's ambitious mandate: the complete eradication of all mental illness by the end of the century.

That statement coupled with some of the memos relating to the Vik Institute and Dr. Armand Zander make me believe that the "he" referenced in the latest message could indeed be TWM who has created the MHA (based on Alvar's theories and ideas) rather than Alvar.
(Good thinking gfd613).

9/14/2006 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

jess4ua: Yes, that's what I'm currently thinking. It was just a theory when I started, but now I'm nearly convinced.

9/14/2006 12:55:00 PM  
Blogger Ange said...

One more thing. Hi jess...I see you!

9/14/2006 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Good Afternoon Losties!! Cool stuff to go check on, going to go do that now. It sucks being sick, but at least I have time to play today!!

9/14/2006 01:00:00 PM  

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