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Clue #139 - RachelBlake.com, StopHanso.RachelBlake.com, & WhereisAlvar.com Updates









There is a new post on RachelBlake.com. Converting the binary to text gives hex, which then converts to what appears to be a reply to Rachel from Malik saying, "R -- I respect your caution. Suppose it's warranted, after all you've come through. I can't remember it exactly, but I think when we were in the stairwell in Paris, you muted the mic as I said "Because he wanted me to help you, and I can't question a man who would launch the Mental Health Appeal... to save a loved one." Say what you will about him now, his heart was once in the right place."

There is also a new post on stophanso.rachelblake.com. The octal decodes to "IiY'nCmN" which can be rearranged to read "I'm in NYC."











Rachel has posted another encrypted message at whereisalvar.com. See the picture posted by user "rachel@whereisalvar.com". Because of all the excellent decoding/encoding work in the comments, the message has been translated to say, "You lived in 3 different apartments. Be waiting outside your second at 7:45 PM. I'm sending a car. Hope you remember the brand of iron you hit me with, because that's the code."

Thanks to makomk, Vashti87, Donn, Kenneth, Main, Mark, and Bassclef42 for emailing us this information.

462 Comments:

Blogger thinbluemime said...

Hello, Is AnyBody Out There....

9/14/2006 07:17:00 AM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Second!

9/14/2006 07:18:00 AM  
Blogger OCKi said...

yes! second btw! :)

9/14/2006 07:18:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

Well done guys :)

9/14/2006 07:19:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

thinbluemime.. just nod if you can hear me.. :P

9/14/2006 07:20:00 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

What if the Mental Health Appeal is Mittelwerk's pet project? That would certainly make things a lot more interesting.

9/14/2006 07:20:00 AM  
Blogger MakoMK said...

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9/14/2006 07:22:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

How did rissy5959 get "I'm in NY?"

9/14/2006 07:22:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

sorry, what's an octal (something with 8 but what exactly)?

9/14/2006 07:22:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

http://nickciske.com/tools/octal.php

^^ Really useful site :)

9/14/2006 07:25:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

I've been on the old Hanso site looking for info on the MHA...I miss the mystique of that soothing music.

9/14/2006 07:26:00 AM  
Blogger oodles said...

Thanks peaceandnamaste.

9/14/2006 07:29:00 AM  
Blogger MakoMK said...

peaceandnamaste: the reason I get to these messages so fast is that I spend far too much time at my PC, and I've set it up to automatically check for updates and IM me when it spots one.

9/14/2006 07:33:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

makomk,
Thanks a ton for emailing us so quickly. I love rolling out of bed and seeing new clue emails! :)

9/14/2006 07:34:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

Admin, it's not info that only he could know, but only he could know that he said this to Rachel in the stairwell in Paris. Apparantly she muted the mic as he said it, so nobody else in the world would have heard him say it.. :)

I wonder why she's in New York and why needed to tell us..

makomk, how exactly did you do that? lol

9/14/2006 07:34:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

Any one seeing rachels site kinda messed up?
http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/2006/09/111151131047156103155116056.html

Here is what I am seeing...Just me?

http://lostdude.com/lostpics/stophanso.rachelblake.com_2006-09-14A_2.jpg

9/14/2006 07:35:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

aaggh - top 15 - I was busy working this out and posting on the last thread.

9/14/2006 07:35:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

thinbluemime, I noticed that in the comments of her page too, but I think it's been like that for a while.. Not sure how or why it's happening, though.. :S

hey dark angel, makomk is pretty fast eh :P

9/14/2006 07:37:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

peaceandnamaste,
yeah. Did you see how I deleted my post? I realized how stupid my question was. I haven't had my coffee yet.

9/14/2006 07:38:00 AM  
Blogger Stefan said...

geeez! Can't they use email?! I mean really... so now she's Alvars daughter. This is becoming stupid...

9/14/2006 07:39:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

stefan, I agree that if this was real they could just use email but.. I think this is just TPTB's way of giving us little bits of information while tying up a few loose ends and preparing the scene for the next act of TLE.. So it's really not that bad, is it? :P

9/14/2006 07:42:00 AM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

Anything planned in NYC gamewise soon, like an apollo bar giveaway or anything

9/14/2006 07:44:00 AM  
Blogger ib4uc said...

Good job makomk!

9/14/2006 07:46:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

Good morning, all -

I just wanted to post this from the last thread - did anyone else see this last night? Was it new, or had it been seen before?


"ABC showed a preview of the new season tonight. I just watched the drama preview at 9:30 Eastern time. At the end, just before 10, there was a segment on Lost.


***spoiler***

They showed a clip from season 3 with Sawyer in a cage. He pushes a button marked with a knife and fork and gets a warning message. A kid in a different cage (sounded like Sawyer called him Kyle) warns him not to do that, but he pushes it again and is blasted back.

They also played the same spot that I've seen on Youtube, although the earlier spots say "65 days ago. they fell from the sky" and the one tonight said "67 days ago.""

I watched all the spots that Dixee posted yesterday, and hadn't seen the scene with Sawyer before. I'm also curious as to why they changed the number of days.

9/14/2006 07:49:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Yes Credit to Makomk - Super fast - I would like to say I was slow because I am at work but I'm on my lunch break ;)

9/14/2006 07:51:00 AM  
Blogger JGZ350 said...

Top 25!

9/14/2006 07:51:00 AM  
Blogger MiTYH said...

AHHH such bull!

I live in NY! but im not there now....

*tear*

9/14/2006 07:55:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

hey melissa lossa

It could just be that TPTB realised they'd messed up the dates and stuff, and quickly changed it before too many people noticed and added it to the Big Long List Of Mess Ups..

I'm interested in seeing that scene with Sawyer, though.. I think we can assume, from what we've seen in the promos so far, that either The Others have their own hatch, an underwater facility, 'the barracks', or some off-island location (could be what Fenry called 'Home'). We know that in the beginning of Season3 Kate, Jack and Sawyer (I think..) are 'held captive under mysterious circumstances' by the Others, so it goes without saying that they're taken to one of these places..

9/14/2006 07:55:00 AM  
Blogger ib4uc said...

Melissa: I saw the previews for S3 also. Didn't catch or pay attention to the days thing though. What the heck's up with the cage and who is that boy? Just another mystery...

9/14/2006 07:56:00 AM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

they changed number of days probably because of the day it aired

9/14/2006 07:57:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

Melissa_Lossa
curious.... 65 vs 67
I will keep eye open for new Lost promos, if the "day count" changes again, it may be a clue of some sort

9/14/2006 07:57:00 AM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

also, could be a hint that time is passing slowly on the island compared to us, meaning after 2 hours of our time, they have experience a day of time, idunno, just spitting out ideas

9/14/2006 07:58:00 AM  
Blogger cubeberg said...

I didn't see anyone else comment on it, but I think the cage in the promo looked like something you'd train an animal in. Like a polar bear...

9/14/2006 08:01:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

p&n -

That's kind of what I figured about the dates as well. I can't imagine it has any other meaning.


***spoiler***

In the scene with Sawyer, he is in a cage in the jungle. He sees the knife and fork button, and underneath it is some kind of chute. He looks around the cell and sees a big red pedal, which he steps on; nothing happens. He then sees a red lever, which he pushes; again, nothing happens. He then pushes the knife and fork button and a voice says "warning." Somewhere in the middle of this, there's a quick shot of the kid, who's in another cell and is wearing a t-shirt and jeans or khakis. He looks maybe 17 or 18. I assumed he was one of the kidnapped tailies. Sawyer pushes the button again and gets the same "warning." The kid says "I wouldn't do that," or something to that affect. Sawyer answers "when I want your advice, (Kyle?), I'll ask for it." He pushes the button again and is blown back across the cell. The scene ends with Sawyer saying "son of a b----."

Hopefully, someone puts it up on youtube. I can't be the only one who saw it!

9/14/2006 08:02:00 AM  
Blogger ib4uc said...

cubeberg: I thought the same thing, only I was thinking maybe a gorilla or ape (Joop?).

9/14/2006 08:03:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

cubeberg - I thought the same thing. With the buttons and levers, it definately had a zoo or animal testing feel to it.

9/14/2006 08:03:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

A polar bear type feel?

9/14/2006 08:07:00 AM  
Blogger LHorse007 said...

does anyone know if those previews aired on sunday during the Lost "Lost Survival Guide"

9/14/2006 08:10:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

dark angel - could be a polar bear, or another type of animal. That pedal on the floor was pretty big, so it could have easily been for a large animal like that. However, when I saw the knife and fork button, with the chute underneath, I immediately assumed (as did Sawyer, I'm sure) that it was for food. I don't know if an animal would associate utensils with food. Curious.

9/14/2006 08:10:00 AM  
Blogger Your Mother said...

Morning all. I have to agree that it seemed like a cage you'd see in a zoo, but I'm not entirely sure that animals would get the knife and fork. Why not just have a red button?

Also, thank goodness for this site, otherwise I'd be completely "lost" on all this binary business.

9/14/2006 08:12:00 AM  
Blogger Your Mother said...

Haha, posted my thoughts about a minute too late Melissa_lossa. You put it much more eloquently tho.

9/14/2006 08:13:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

Melissa_Lossa-I Just found it on youtube, and "67" days ago....is exactly as you saw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1GocGVIkb4

9/14/2006 08:13:00 AM  
Blogger cubeberg said...

Just because an animal doesn't eat food with utensils doesn't mean they can't learn to associate the picture with food.

9/14/2006 08:14:00 AM  
Blogger Your Mother said...

true cube, but why get them to associate the picture in the first place? they wouldn't associate the picture with food until pushing the button had worked a few times ... **** SPOILER ****

which it appears it doesn't as it says "warning" and then shocks you (or something). Whoever or whatever is in that cageis meant to think food will come from pushing that button.

9/14/2006 08:19:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

thinbluemime said...

Any one seeing rachels site kinda messed up? Here is what I am seeing...Just me?

Are you using Firefox? It's OK for me in IE, but messed up in FireFox.

9/14/2006 08:19:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

Found the vid here;

http://media.putfile.com/LOST-Season-3-SNEAK-PEAK

9/14/2006 08:19:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

Yeah, after watching that again, it definately looks like a cage for an animal. And I think Sawyer says Carl, not Kyle.

9/14/2006 08:23:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

dennis...I am using Opera, so that may be the problem, Thanks!

9/14/2006 08:25:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

**************spoiler*****************








Melissa_Lossa said... (sounded like Sawyer called him Kyle)

Sounds like he said "Carl" to me...

Very interesting clip! Thanks

**************spoiler*****************

9/14/2006 08:26:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

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9/14/2006 08:28:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Mmn Very interesting - watched it without sound but those buttons /paddles / pedals do all look bear-sized.

The electric shock might be part of some Milgram-esque psychology experiment.

No wonder the poor bears always seem so pissed off. They never know whether they are going to get
Bear Food (seal puree or porridge I guess) or a nasty shock.

9/14/2006 08:29:00 AM  
Blogger chelala 108 said...

dark angel -

I agree about the Milgram connection. That's the first thing I thought of after watching.

9/14/2006 08:32:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Thinking about it I don't know what would me worse for Sawyer, an electric shock or a batch of seal puree - mmmn nice!

9/14/2006 08:34:00 AM  
Blogger Scott.E.Tuhauddy said...

Just in case this wasn't posted (it's probably old hat already) but here's the sneak peak that was aired last night on ABC

****************Spoiler***********

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2006/09/abc-sneak-peak-video.html

9/14/2006 08:42:00 AM  
Blogger Scott.E.Tuhauddy said...

oh I see people have been talking about it

9/14/2006 08:43:00 AM  
Blogger ular98 said...

Since nothing works and the knife and fork shock, speculation...they are trained to not ask for anything and not trust anyone or anything. (Self discipline and total independence)

9/14/2006 08:46:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

good thought, ular98, and it goes along with the cages being out in the middle of the jungle, isolated

although, the people or animals in the two cells could see each other... interesting

9/14/2006 08:49:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Could it be that the two animals/prisoners have to work together to get a reward. If they both press their buttons together they are rewarded. If they act indepndently they are punished.

9/14/2006 08:57:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

o.k. so Hanso launched the mental health appeal to save RB, his stupid daughter.

Obviously he failed.

9/14/2006 08:58:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

noblelawyer said... o.k. so Hanso launched the mental health appeal to save RB, his stupid daughter. Obviously he failed.

LSHNEMB!!!!

Don't be a playa hater :)

9/14/2006 09:00:00 AM  
Blogger Monday Lad said...

Repost from last thread:

Finding a changed site immediately and solving the puzzles inside of 10 minutes is a bit dull.

I guess it's inevitable (I'm hoping) that soon they will use new websites that the site monitor program doesn't know about.

9/14/2006 09:01:00 AM  
Blogger leelee2233 said...

Long time, no post

++++++++SPOILER++++++++++++++++++++











I think the most interesting part of the promos I have seen is the exchange between Michael and henry Gale where Henry says "we are the good guys". What is "good"?

9/14/2006 09:02:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

leelee - I'm really interested in that as well, although it's actually from the season 2 finale, I believe. I also find it interesting that the promo says something about finding out that we don't really know what we think we know. My guess is The Others will turn out to not be so bad afterall - in a sense, they are the "good" guys.


Dark Angel - I like that theory about them having to work together - kind of fits into the whole Dharma idea.

9/14/2006 09:07:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Morning, everyone!

Why does Malek need to know RB is in NY to meet her in Norway?


****Spoiler***
Assuming the cage was part of the Dharma Initiative and assuming that DI started out honest like has been suggested most recently by Malek, then I think that 1) the cage was meant for an animal, 2)the buttons don't do anything because they are no longer activated and the original experiment is no longer active, 3) the cage has been rewired to serve the purposes of the Others, and 4) this is another example of how the Hanso Foundation and DI, while starting out on the right foot, has gone totally wrong.

About the time difference, it could be explained by a 2 day gap between the end of season 2 and the start of season 3, meaning we left the kiddos on the pier and the next time we see them it is two days later.

9/14/2006 09:08:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

a lot of the material from the promos is from season 2 though.

9/14/2006 09:10:00 AM  
Blogger wendyzski said...

Jeez - I just got up already, and missed all the fun!

*mumbles*

9/14/2006 09:11:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

*********UK spoiler********

that was from the end of season 2 before Michael boated away with Walt. We have long been speculationg on what the other's have meant by "Good ones" and "good guys" through out season 2

9/14/2006 09:12:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

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9/14/2006 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

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9/14/2006 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Ugh! Let's see if I can get it right this time!



*****Spoilers****


Dark Angel: Yeah, the work together theory is good too.

Also about the good guys, I'm reminded about a show somewhere where there was an island with soliders on it fighting WWII because they had lost all communication with the outside world. Those soldiers would have said they were the "good guys" too, but they were acting on outdated information and fighting an irrelevant cause.

I think something similar may be happening here. The Others started out as the good guys, scientists of the Dharma Initiative. In the mean time, their actions have changed as they've been left to fend for themselves. They could be "bad guys" in their actions but in their minds still consider themselves to be good guys because they started out that way.

9/14/2006 09:16:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Twinkle said...
*****Spoilers****


Dark Angel: Yeah, the work together theory is good too.


I knew specialising in Animal Behaviour at Uni. would be useful one day!

I wonder if Sawyer is being held at the Zoological Research Station?

9/14/2006 09:17:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

about the cage in the season preview -

Those are not bear size paddles.

they are Orangatang and Gorilla sized paddles. And Gorillas and sometimes orangatangs can learn meaning of symbols (like the knife and fork) although I don't know why they would use utensils for apes.

The fact that there are utensils on the button and a verbal warning (can't hear at work but from prevous posts here seems to be a verbal warning) It would seem that it was made specifically for humans.

Would not be at all surprised if was always intended for humans but made very much like an animal cage to dehumanize the prisoners.

9/14/2006 09:17:00 AM  
Blogger ular98 said...

It sounds sort of like an RPG...put the block on that lever, while shooting an arrow into this one and when the light comes on hit the last one. LOL

9/14/2006 09:19:00 AM  
Blogger Your Mother said...

Thta's a good way of looking at it noble ...

9/14/2006 09:19:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

So the quote attached to the MHP, specifically, "...those who can not shine for themselves." Makes me think that the MHA was not started to help Rachel. I am leaning toward the idea that the "loved one" referred to by Malek was perhaps Rachel's mother.

Oh and agreed Dennis...when I saw the Lost sneak peek last night I heard Carl.

9/14/2006 09:20:00 AM  
Blogger leelee2233 said...

I know we have long discussed the definition of "good", however, in light of ARC and all, could be that we have some different forms of good. Mittlework good (Valenzetti and all), RB good (fight the good fight good), and island folk good. And maybe that is why it is be reintroduced in the promos.

9/14/2006 09:20:00 AM  
Blogger ampfofu said...

I have been trying to figure out why all of you think this is a cage for animals. Yes, clearly, it originally was. But look the next cage over has the boy in it. and the button with the fork and knife is clearly for humans and also the verbal warning. I think you all are looking into it to much.

9/14/2006 09:21:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

ular98 said...
It sounds sort of like an RPG...put the block on that lever, while shooting an arrow into this one and when the light comes on hit the last one. LOL

Joking aside you might be close to the truth - it may take a co-ordinated effort from both prisoners to activate the food delivery.

I still reackon these a polar bear cages though.

9/14/2006 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

noblelawyer said...

they are Orangatang and Gorilla sized paddles. And Gorillas and sometimes orangatangs can learn meaning of symbols (like the knife and fork) although I don't know why they would use utensils for apes.

Is this where Joop was trained?

I think that even if they don't need the fork & knife symbol for the animals in the cage, it might be there to remind the the trainer -- as in, "what was that button for...?"

9/14/2006 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Dark Angel said: I wonder if Sawyer is being held at the Zoological Research Station?


*****Spoilers****
That's what makes the most sense to me. IMHO the utensils and voice warning could be modifications made by the others for human experiements. But I believe that the DI started out clean and honest and has changed, so we're not seeing the cages in their original configuration. We can't neccessarily take the way the cages are now for the way they have always been since the start of the DI. Same with the Others.

9/14/2006 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger cyberyang said...

"Because he wanted me to help you, and I can't question a man who would launch the Mental Health Appeal... TO SAVE A LOVED ONE."

Maybe he was referring to Rachel's mother.

9/14/2006 09:24:00 AM  
Blogger ular98 said...

Maybe RB's Mom was/became a mentally challenged person. Referring to her, maybe RB was really born French and her Mommy is still on the island. ;)

9/14/2006 09:25:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Ange said...
I am leaning toward the idea that the "loved one" referred to by Malek was perhaps Rachel's mother.


Yeah, me too.

leelee: Good point. That could be the conflict TPTB are trying to set up.

9/14/2006 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

twinkle - I agree. Whatever the original purpose/experiment was, it has certainly been altered.

And back to the game - I definately think that it was Rachel's mother that the MHA was supposed to help. Could be the age old story - Alvar's a bad, gun running dude until he falls in love with a sweet lady (although apparently a mentally unstable lady) and decides to change his ways.

9/14/2006 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger R2K said...

I think alvar hanzo is secretly a woman.

9/14/2006 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

The symbols on the button could be for the researchers, or for example to make it clear in a video observing the bears of what the button was for. Imagine film that was going out to researchers who didn't sahre a common language. It would be clear what the button was for even if you didn't understand the dialogue, or if there was no dialogue.

I think these cages weere originally used for the poor polar bears but are now being used purely as safe place to put a very angry (and therefore potentially dangerous) Sawyer. I wonder if the other guy - Carl(?) is one of the Talies

9/14/2006 09:29:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Are you getting Carpal Tunnel from hitting refresh?
Is your F5 key wearing out from over-use?
Are you using Firefox?

Check out this cool FireFox Ad-on: ReloadEvery

It will refesh any webpage automatically, just right-click and set any interval you want. (Just make sure you turn it off before you start typing any comments)

BTW, I did not make it, but I like it.

9/14/2006 09:30:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

PS apologies for all the typos - alternating between work and TLEC (real work)

9/14/2006 09:30:00 AM  
Blogger Twinkle said...

Alex: So then he's Rachel's mother? LOL!

The casting call for the Alvar character mentioned something about a love interest I think. Does anyone have the link to those casting calls? They're interesting to refer to as the story progresses.

Boy, it's nice to have something new to discuss and theorize about!

9/14/2006 09:31:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Melissa_Lossa said...

I definately think that it was Rachel's mother that the MHA was supposed to help. Could be the age old story - Alvar's a bad, gun running dude until he falls in love with a sweet lady (although apparently a mentally unstable lady) and decides to change his ways.

I agree. But maybe she's not so much "mentally unstable", but more like Alzheimer's disease.

9/14/2006 09:32:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

dennis, Opera has that function built in :)
Now if it would only display Rachels site correctly :(.......... LOL

9/14/2006 09:33:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

GOOD MORNING TLEC!!!
Man cool new promo vid, can't wait for S3.
I hate when I wake up and get on and the clue has been found for the day...Oh well. Hopefully we'll get more today.

9/14/2006 09:34:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

leelee - I agree that figuring out how the Others define "good" is crucial to the story of the show.

A psycopath may have a definition of good that is contrary to what is known as good in civil society.

And many many atrocities, in fact just about all atrocities committed by us have been done in the name of what is good.

The Nazis exterminated the Jews for the good of the ariane race.

The Inquisition was done for the good of those they killed and tortured.

The Crusades were done to exterminate and/or convert the muslims for their own good and the good of christianity

The institution of slavery in thte United STates was done for the good of the blacks they enslaved because they were too stupid to take care of themselves.

See how as humans we have a way of rationalizing the horrible things we do to one another? We rationalize and say things we do are for the good of those we do the things to, when really it is purely selfish reasons.

I think the dharma initiative failed because while it tried to figure out how to improve the human in race and condition, it ended up just boiling the people down to their most elemental and brutal origins.

9/14/2006 09:35:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

thats what i was thinking noble. a bad guy never thinks of himself as a bad guy. it all depends on point of view.

9/14/2006 09:42:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

Twinkle said...
Boy, it's nice to have something new to discuss and theorize about!

I agree twinkle (and hi:))...it's been a long time since I've felt like posting:)

So the wording used in Malekl's message was interesting as well. He said, "...to SAVE a loved one." I wonder if Rachel's mother (if it is indeed her that he is talking about) committed suicide.

*I also included a neurological disease...but it was already posted by the time I finished writing this....things are quick today and it is GOOD!

9/14/2006 09:42:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

good morning class. new notes from our lovebirds, huh?

9/14/2006 09:42:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Now all together class....

"Good Moning Mr. Oxillini"

9/14/2006 09:45:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Good Moning Mr. Oxillini

9/14/2006 09:46:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

Hmmm... good point, dennis, although I'm kind of hoping for a Benny & Joon revelation. :) Alvar created the MHA because his true love was bonkers.

I know that sounds very un-PC, but bonkers is such a fun word! I'm really a very nice girl, I promise. :)

9/14/2006 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

Morning Mr Oxi :D

Uhh my assignment? My umm.. dog ate it....

9/14/2006 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

exerpt from TV guide

SPOILERS

the writers tone down the mythology and up the action-adventure. the premiere focuses on jack, kate and sawyer who are being held seperately in varying degrees of discomfort. likewise, desmond, eko and locke initially are "not together."

9/14/2006 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

You're right, bonkers is an excellent word. We should use it more often.. :)

9/14/2006 09:49:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

SPOILER (even for US viewers)******************************************











desmond is alice.

9/14/2006 09:50:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

DAMN! I MEANT TO SAY HES ALIVE. i just cought that.

9/14/2006 09:50:00 AM  
Blogger picsel said...

Okay whats up with the link tht says 57 on stophanso.rb.com ? like loads of pictures some static and some flicking to others with numbers and whatnot(ps i lost my laptop for 2 weeks and im catching up on stuff so go easy on me :p)

9/14/2006 09:52:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Sean,

FYI, You can delete a post by clicking the little trash can next to your bad post...

9/14/2006 09:52:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

maybe he's alice too...

9/14/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

I prefer Desmond is Alice

Alice, Alice who the f*** is Alice

(Sorry those not from the UK may not get that)

9/14/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

yeah, but i worked so hard on that post.

9/14/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

picsel said...

Okay whats up with the link tht says 57 on stophanso.rb.com ?

That's an old clue. That's where we got Glyph #57

9/14/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger picsel said...

anyone else caught on that perhaps the loved one was perhaps liddy/libby? (sorry i just thought i had to bring up an old argument

9/14/2006 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

maybe he goes further down the rabbit hole!

9/14/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

and it is funny,

9/14/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger FYSB said...

Good morning...sneaking out of a meeting to check TLEC, man, I need an intervention.

Here's a quick thought/question:

When Malik was in the stairwell with Rachel, he said something to the effect of "I heard your mother died. Is she the one who told you?"

If Rachel's mom was the one that was crazy, I'm not sure she would be sharing details on Alvar and the Mental Health Initiative...at least not with any credibility.

Now the theory I like is that RACHEL is crazy and her mom is the one who told her she was nuts before she died. Alvar and Mom put together the MHI to help Rachel.

I know, I know, it's way out there, but seriously, doesn't that help explain those ridiculous candy bars? ;>)

9/14/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

picsel, that was part of the glyph hunt. :)

9/14/2006 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

Yeah Rachel is crazy... CRAZY LIKE A FOX!!

9/14/2006 09:55:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

I swear if this game ends with "surprise! Rachels' just, oh let's say bonkers," I am going to be really upset.

9/14/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger kvonhard said...

Anyone else notice the binary on whereisalvar.com? It seems like it was posted about 10 minutes ago or so.

9/14/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

It could be Liddy/Libby and that's why she was in the Mental Institute but I have a feel that they'll keep this to TLE characters at the moment.

9/14/2006 09:56:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

if only i knew where in NY rachel is, i could meet up with her.

9/14/2006 09:57:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

Maybe LOST and The Lost Experience are all just a group hallucination and we are the ones who are bonkers! Hmm...

9/14/2006 09:57:00 AM  
Blogger picsel said...

yes fastenyourseatbelts i like the theory and i really do but im still gunna take the piss out of it.... yes and really we're all figments of ther crazy woman's mind, and really at the end of TLE she is going to wak eup and realise it was all a dream and really none of this happened - on the plus side it would mean we would never have actually spent ages searching for glyphs

9/14/2006 09:58:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

kvonhard: where at? wia doesn't load right on my computer. can someone cut and paste it?

9/14/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger picsel said...

dark angel - steal y post why dont you :p

9/14/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

or maybe its the opposite. maybe this is all real and we think its a game.

9/14/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

I can see the end now....

Rachel wakes up in her bed in Kansas.

"Oh I had the strangest dream and you were all there, Thomas you were a cowardly meglomaniac and Uncle Alvar you were there too and Malik you were there but you were an Iron Man......"

Maybe it's just be thats bonkers....

9/14/2006 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

can someone check out the binary on whereisalvar that kvonhard was talking about?

9/14/2006 10:00:00 AM  
Blogger kvonhard said...

It's one of the pictures - right on the front page. And the poster name is Rachel@whereisalvar.com. It's the first one on the left. I don't know how to copy and paste it b/c every time I click on it, it reduces it back to the smaller version. I'm a computer moron.

9/14/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

on it....

9/14/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

how can locke and eko not be together? they were standing next to one another when whenever it was went off, went off.

9/14/2006 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger FYSB said...

re: binary on where is alvar...

it's a picture someone named rachel@whereisalvar.com. not cut and pastable. can someone put it up on photobucket?

9/14/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

i dont think you can copy it. you have to go the old school way, write it all down and submit it into the decoder.

9/14/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger picsel said...

im working on it now, going to take a while tho

9/14/2006 10:02:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

screen cap anyone?

9/14/2006 10:03:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

stupid work computer. it's almost as if they don't want me on wia.com from work. now that's bonkers!

9/14/2006 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger Melissa_Lossa said...

***spoiler***


noblelawyer - wasn't Locke still locked in the computer room? and Eko was outside - he was taken out by the first blast

I'm guessing they're going to have to dig each other out

9/14/2006 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

maybe we can break up and each can decipher parts. it would be quicker.

9/14/2006 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

it would be a lot faster than having one person decipher the whole thing.

9/14/2006 10:06:00 AM  
Blogger kvonhard said...

I wish I could help...but a)I'm on a conference call now and b)it would take more time to explain to me how to decode it than anything else. I hope this is a clue!

9/14/2006 10:06:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

i'll work on a part if i can get one!

9/14/2006 10:06:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

good spot kvonhard, looks like we've got the lead on this one too!

9/14/2006 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

should we each do one line, or something?

9/14/2006 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger RyaNDrumZ said...

Right on more action....Go team go!!!

9/14/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger Vitruvian Man said...

rachel@whereisalvar.com posted a huge set of binary as her "apollo bar picture" today at 10:41. The ones at the top all seem to be numbers but I do see some "longer" ones that are letters. The H is O (I wonder if anyone will get that).

9/14/2006 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

i can do the top 2 rows. the first row is very short.

9/14/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

good morning everyone...

like i said yesterday, i'm gunna be out for the next few days... just wanted to say good morning and wish everyone luck in their clue solving... hopefully I won't miss out on too much.... have fun!

word... and namaste

9/14/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger kvonhard said...

Now I'm all impatient to know what it says! Gosh this game is stressful...

9/14/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

anyone know a good binary translator?

9/14/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

5th line converts to....

9/14/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

dennis, i like:

http://www.theskull.com/javascript/ascii-binary.html

9/14/2006 10:10:00 AM  
Blogger leek said...

fastenyourseatbelts, I like your "Rachel is Crazy" theory too. It reminded me of that creepy image of the girl standing in a hospital gown. That was back when we were still getting Hanso Site hacks from Persephone and it seemed extraneous at the time but if I remember correctly the girl had long dark hair (ala RB) and now with the MHA connections, it makes some sense.

9/14/2006 10:10:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

WHERE IS ALVAR FROM RACHEL
I got a cap for those of you that are having problems. Any luck decoding yet? Sorry I'm coming in late.

9/14/2006 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

Hi Guys

Try http://nickciske.com/tools/binary.php

I make the first two lines

596
974746F3A6

but i should really recheck

9/14/2006 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

"E686hnjll6"

which is nothing.

9/14/2006 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger Tresbien said...

http://www.paulschou.com/tools/xlate/ Many people use this binary translator.

9/14/2006 10:12:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

I've done about half of it, which translates to what appears to be just gibberish, random symbols and letters..

Blogger won't let me post it here though, because alot of the symbols aren't allowed..

9/14/2006 10:13:00 AM  
Blogger Vitruvian Man said...

This might not be real - the last line translates to:
696822E00
Maybe someone smarter than I can figure it out.

9/14/2006 10:13:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

so....
line 1 - 596
line 2 - 974746F3A6
Line 3 -
Line 4 -
Line 5 - E686hnjll6

9/14/2006 10:13:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

oh greta and now i have to start all over again.. ahhhhh

Edit: the first section is

596974746F3A6465746F746

but i cant post the rest because of the symbols

9/14/2006 10:14:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

it think this is just someone having a good time.

someone wanting to see if people will waste there time figuring it out.

But hey, what have we got to do anyway?

9/14/2006 10:15:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

i tried to decipher the top 2 lines and got giberish.

9/14/2006 10:15:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

maybe it has to be done all at once? i dont know how binary works.

9/14/2006 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger kvonhard said...

Sorry ...

Bah.

9/14/2006 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

596974746F3A6 is what i got.

9/14/2006 10:16:00 AM  
Blogger Administrator said...

noblelawyer,
I think they "screen" every photo for approval before posting on wia.com. I don't see how someone could get a pic on there without an Apollo bar is they weren't Rachel.

9/14/2006 10:17:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

im trying to use a text recognition program to capture the text, should make it alot easier to decode...

9/14/2006 10:17:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

well is this another case of where we have to do a binary conversion to text and then put that into another conversion as well?

9/14/2006 10:20:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

Nah, too much noise in the pic for the software to pick out the text.. obviously not very sophisticated software.. lol

9/14/2006 10:20:00 AM  
Blogger Perdido_CV said...

http://i9.tinypic.com/3zjmfdk.jpg

Rachel en NY?

9/14/2006 10:20:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

i think each group of numbers is a letter. i put letters into the decoder and i got:

a=01100001
b=01100010
c=01100011
and so on.

9/14/2006 10:21:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

I am wondering if this is a code within a code - IE - Convert from Binary to Hex and then Hex to ASCII.

The Other question is how do we read it I am assuming from left to right but would it make more sense going down each column?

9/14/2006 10:22:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

maybe were not supposed to put the spaces.

9/14/2006 10:23:00 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Butting in to say good morning while you guys work on the new WIA code! I'm in awe of all your skills to work on this. And am very grateful, too. Decoding is way above me! ...

Just adding my thoughts that I agree with most of you that the loved one that Alvar started MHP for could be Rachel's mom...mom could have either had depression or alzheimer's.

Re the promo scene of Sawyer last night: Definitely a animal cage. Probably a lot of experimenting done there to condition the animals to hit that button for food, but only at certain times.

9/14/2006 10:24:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

i assumed it was binary to hex to ascii, but that's giving gibberish. plus that means noble's line 5 is gibberish, because you can't have an n in hex

9/14/2006 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

No, I am pretty sure the Binary converts into Hex and the HEX into Ascii - I tried it on the first few and came up with Yitto?

If i get time I will try and convert a chunk but it is not easy at work!

9/14/2006 10:27:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

sean: spaces won't matter.

so far, the last two lines donw in binary to hex to ascii are:

7nprrih.?

which is also crap. it is definitely binary to hex and probably to ascii, but then what, i though maybe rot-something, but that's screwed because of the number and the symbols

9/14/2006 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

MMn good point no N in Hex - Maybe if we decode it all from Binary first the next step will become clearer

9/14/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger MakoMK said...

(sigh)

http://whereisalvar.com/images/bars/ac4705a0aebbf633ff0604f630ba615f.jpg is the actual original image - like all the images uploaded to the site.

9/14/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

each little eight bit chunk makes one letter there's only sixteen combinations in there. (should be anyway) this is feeling fake to me.

9/14/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger Dennis said...

Here's what I get:

01011001 01101001 01110100 01110100 01101111 00111010 01100100 01100101 01110100 01101111 01110100 01100001 01101111 01100110 01101101 01101001 01110101 00110100 01101001 01111001 01101000 01101110 01101000 01110100 01110101 01100110 01100101 01101110 01110010 00110101 01101110 01101111 01100101 01111001 00101100 00100111 01101100 01100101 01101110 01100111 01110011 01010000 01100111 01110101 01100010 01101111 01100010 01110011 01101001 01110010 01110100 01101111 01100101 01001101 01100001 01110010 01110010 01110101 01100101 01110101 01110110 01100101 01110011 01110101 01100011 00101110 01100011 01100101 01100001 01101000 01100011 01101000 01100101 01101110 00101110 01110100 01101111 01001001 01100001 01101101 01101110 01101001 01100001 01100101 01100100 01110100 01000010 01110011 01101110 00100111 01110010 01100101 01100100 01110100 01110101 01100011 01101001 01100001 01100101 01101001 01100101 01101101 00101110 01101101 01101111 01101101 00110110 11110110 11100111 00000111 01110110 01000110 00010111 00110100 10000110 00100110 01100110 01010110 01010110 01000011 00110110 00010110 00010110 01010111 01000110 01010110 11110110 01010110 10010111 01110111 01000110 01010110 01000110 00100110 10010111 10010011 01110110 11100111 00000111 00100111 00100110 10010110 10000010 11100000 00000000

But when I convert it to text, I get gibberish...any suggestions?

9/14/2006 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger DharmaChick said...

Just stopping by.
A BIG thanks to those of you working on the code.
I really don't have time to transcribe and convert it while at work right now.

Good luck to you!!

-DC

9/14/2006 10:30:00 AM  
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9/14/2006 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

There must be a clue somewhere as to how to decode this but where that's the question

9/14/2006 10:31:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

I've put in the last 4 lines and gotten gibberish for text and the following hex:
36 46 36 35 36 39 37 37 37 34 36 35 36 34 37 32 36 39 37 39 33 37 36 42 9b 98 1b 99 1b 99 1b 1c 9b 1c 19 22 98 18 00

9/14/2006 10:33:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

maybe we should try octal?

9/14/2006 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

nvm. tried it. didnt work.

9/14/2006 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

sean: it can't be octal, the letters throw that off.

9/14/2006 10:35:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

i figured. but i didnt know a thing about any of these codes until we started this search.

9/14/2006 10:36:00 AM  
Blogger vud said...

If anyone needs it. The direct link to the WIA picture is..

http://www.whereisalvar.com/images/bars/ac4705a0aebbf633ff0604f630ba615f.jpg

9/14/2006 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger PeaceAndNamaste said...

finally...

00110101 00111001 00110110
00111001 00110111 00110100 00110111 00110100 00110110 01000110 00110011 01000001 00110110
00110100 00110110 00110101 00110111 00110100 00110110 01000110 00110111 00110100 00110110
00110001 00110110 01000110 00110110 00110110 00110110 01000100 00110110 00111001 00110111
00110101 00110011 00110100 00110110 00111001 00110111 00111001 00110110 00111000 00110110
01000101 00110110 00111000 00110111 00110100 00110111 00110101 00110110 00110110 00110110
00110101 00110110 01000101 00110111 00110010 00110011 00110101 00110110 01000101 00110110
01000110 00110110 00110101 00110111 00111001 00110010 01000011 00110010 00110111 00110110
01000011 00110110 00110101 00110110 01000101 00110110 00110111 00110111 00110011 00110101
00110000 00110110 00110111 00110111 00110101 00110110 00110010 00110110 01000110 00110110
00110010 00110111 00110011 00110110 00111001 00110111 00110010 00110111 00110100 00110110
01000110 00110110 00110101 00110100 01000100 00110110 00110001 00110111 00110010 00110111
00110010 00110111 00110101 00110110 00110101 00110111 00110100 00110111 00110110 00110110
00110101 00110111 00110011 00110111 00110101 00110110 00110011 00110010 010000101 00110110
00110011 00110110 00110101 00110110 00110001 00110110 00111000 00110110 00110011 00110110
00111000 00110110 00110101 00110110 01000101 00110010 01000101 00110111 00110100 00110110
01000110 00110100 00111001 00110110 00110001 00110110 01000100 00110110 01000101 00110110
00111001 00110110 00110001 00110110 00110101 00110110 00110100 00110111 00110100 00110100
00110010 00110111 00110011 00110110 01000101 00110010 00110111 00110111 00110010 00110110
00110101 00110110 00110100 00110111 00110100 00110111 00110101 00110110 00110011 00110110
00111001 00110110 00110001 00110110 00110101 00110110 00111001 00110110 00110100 00110110
01000100 00110010 01000101 00110110 01000100 00110110 01000110 00110110 01000100
00110111 00110011 00110110 01000110 00110110 01000101 00110111 00110000 00110111 00110111
00110110 00110100 00110110 00110001 00110111 00110011 00110100 00111000 00110110 00110010
00110110 00110110 00110110 00110101 00110110 00110101 00110110 00110100 00110011 00110011
00110110 00110001 00110110 00110001 00110110 00110101 00110111 00110100 00110110 001101001
00110110 01000110 00110110 00110101 00110110 00111001 00110111 00110111 00110111 00110100
00110110 00110101 00110110 00110100 00110111 00110010 00110110 00111001 00110111 00111001
00110011 00110111 00110110 01000101 00110111 00110000 00110111 00110010 00110111 00110010
00110110 00111001 00110110 00111000 00110010 01000101 00110000 00110000

9/14/2006 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger Ange said...

Reverse it maybe, bottom to top, right to left, then decode?

9/14/2006 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

last four lines also translate as:
dec/char : 54 70 54 53 54 57 55 55 55 52 54 53 54 52 55 50 54 57 55 57 51 55 54 66 155 152 27 153 27 153 27 28 155 28 25 34 152 24 0

and as base64 : NkY2NTY5Nzc3NDY1NjQ3MjY5NzkzNzZCm5gbmRuZGxybHBkimBgA

and as text: 6F656977746564726979376B plus a bunch of boxes that blogger won't allow to post

9/14/2006 10:38:00 AM  
Blogger oxillini said...

tried reversing the binary, then to hex. no dice, last two chunks come up as ??, not a beginning of a word for sure

9/14/2006 10:38:00 AM  
Blogger thinbluemime said...

could this
111151131047156103155116056
found here
http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/2006/09/111151131047156103155116056.html

Have a tie in with the pic codes from whereisalvar ?

9/14/2006 10:38:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

I only know haw to input these things i the one translator I have. I have no idea where to go or what to do from there.

I too only started learning about this stuff due to this game, so will leave it to smarter, more accomplished people.

9/14/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

for all this work, it better not end up saying

I love you, Malik!!

XOXOXO Rachel!

9/14/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Blogger Dark Angel said...

If you go from Binary to Hex to Ascii you get

Yitto:detotaofmiu4iyhnhtufenr5noey,'lengsPgubobsirtoeMarruetvesuc.ceahchen.toIamniaedtBsn'r

It's either a ceasar cipher or an anagram

9/14/2006 10:40:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

LoL Sean

9/14/2006 10:40:00 AM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

that would be an impossible anagram

9/14/2006 10:41:00 AM  
Blogger sean said...

ive gotten "yitto" a few times when i deciphered (tried to decipher) a few different codes.

9/14/2006 10:42:00 AM  

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