Clue #139 - RachelBlake.com, StopHanso.RachelBlake.com, & WhereisAlvar.com Updates
There is a new post on RachelBlake.com. Converting the binary to text gives hex, which then converts to what appears to be a reply to Rachel from Malik saying, "R -- I respect your caution. Suppose it's warranted, after all you've come through. I can't remember it exactly, but I think when we were in the stairwell in Paris, you muted the mic as I said "Because he wanted me to help you, and I can't question a man who would launch the Mental Health Appeal... to save a loved one." Say what you will about him now, his heart was once in the right place."
There is also a new post on stophanso.rachelblake.com. The octal decodes to "IiY'nCmN" which can be rearranged to read "I'm in NYC."
Rachel has posted another encrypted message at whereisalvar.com. See the picture posted by user "rachel@whereisalvar.com". Because of all the excellent decoding/encoding work in the comments, the message has been translated to say, "You lived in 3 different apartments. Be waiting outside your second at 7:45 PM. I'm sending a car. Hope you remember the brand of iron you hit me with, because that's the code."
Thanks to makomk, Vashti87, Donn, Kenneth, Main, Mark, and Bassclef42 for emailing us this information.
320 Comments:
Hello, Is AnyBody Out There....
How did rissy5959 get "I'm in NY?"
sorry, what's an octal (something with 8 but what exactly)?
I've been on the old Hanso site looking for info on the MHA...I miss the mystique of that soothing music.
Thanks peaceandnamaste.
makomk,
Thanks a ton for emailing us so quickly. I love rolling out of bed and seeing new clue emails! :)
Any one seeing rachels site kinda messed up?
http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/2006/09/111151131047156103155116056.html
Here is what I am seeing...Just me?
http://lostdude.com/lostpics/stophanso.rachelblake.com_2006-09-14A_2.jpg
aaggh - top 15 - I was busy working this out and posting on the last thread.
peaceandnamaste,
yeah. Did you see how I deleted my post? I realized how stupid my question was. I haven't had my coffee yet.
Good job makomk!
Good morning, all -
I just wanted to post this from the last thread - did anyone else see this last night? Was it new, or had it been seen before?
"ABC showed a preview of the new season tonight. I just watched the drama preview at 9:30 Eastern time. At the end, just before 10, there was a segment on Lost.
***spoiler***
They showed a clip from season 3 with Sawyer in a cage. He pushes a button marked with a knife and fork and gets a warning message. A kid in a different cage (sounded like Sawyer called him Kyle) warns him not to do that, but he pushes it again and is blasted back.
They also played the same spot that I've seen on Youtube, although the earlier spots say "65 days ago. they fell from the sky" and the one tonight said "67 days ago.""
I watched all the spots that Dixee posted yesterday, and hadn't seen the scene with Sawyer before. I'm also curious as to why they changed the number of days.
Yes Credit to Makomk - Super fast - I would like to say I was slow because I am at work but I'm on my lunch break ;)
Melissa: I saw the previews for S3 also. Didn't catch or pay attention to the days thing though. What the heck's up with the cage and who is that boy? Just another mystery...
Melissa_Lossa
curious.... 65 vs 67
I will keep eye open for new Lost promos, if the "day count" changes again, it may be a clue of some sort
p&n -
That's kind of what I figured about the dates as well. I can't imagine it has any other meaning.
***spoiler***
In the scene with Sawyer, he is in a cage in the jungle. He sees the knife and fork button, and underneath it is some kind of chute. He looks around the cell and sees a big red pedal, which he steps on; nothing happens. He then sees a red lever, which he pushes; again, nothing happens. He then pushes the knife and fork button and a voice says "warning." Somewhere in the middle of this, there's a quick shot of the kid, who's in another cell and is wearing a t-shirt and jeans or khakis. He looks maybe 17 or 18. I assumed he was one of the kidnapped tailies. Sawyer pushes the button again and gets the same "warning." The kid says "I wouldn't do that," or something to that affect. Sawyer answers "when I want your advice, (Kyle?), I'll ask for it." He pushes the button again and is blown back across the cell. The scene ends with Sawyer saying "son of a b----."
Hopefully, someone puts it up on youtube. I can't be the only one who saw it!
cubeberg: I thought the same thing, only I was thinking maybe a gorilla or ape (Joop?).
cubeberg - I thought the same thing. With the buttons and levers, it definately had a zoo or animal testing feel to it.
A polar bear type feel?
dark angel - could be a polar bear, or another type of animal. That pedal on the floor was pretty big, so it could have easily been for a large animal like that. However, when I saw the knife and fork button, with the chute underneath, I immediately assumed (as did Sawyer, I'm sure) that it was for food. I don't know if an animal would associate utensils with food. Curious.
Morning all. I have to agree that it seemed like a cage you'd see in a zoo, but I'm not entirely sure that animals would get the knife and fork. Why not just have a red button?
Also, thank goodness for this site, otherwise I'd be completely "lost" on all this binary business.
Haha, posted my thoughts about a minute too late Melissa_lossa. You put it much more eloquently tho.
Melissa_Lossa-I Just found it on youtube, and "67" days ago....is exactly as you saw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1GocGVIkb4
true cube, but why get them to associate the picture in the first place? they wouldn't associate the picture with food until pushing the button had worked a few times ... **** SPOILER ****
which it appears it doesn't as it says "warning" and then shocks you (or something). Whoever or whatever is in that cageis meant to think food will come from pushing that button.
thinbluemime said...
Any one seeing rachels site kinda messed up? Here is what I am seeing...Just me?
Are you using Firefox? It's OK for me in IE, but messed up in FireFox.
Yeah, after watching that again, it definately looks like a cage for an animal. And I think Sawyer says Carl, not Kyle.
dennis...I am using Opera, so that may be the problem, Thanks!
**************spoiler*****************
Melissa_Lossa said... (sounded like Sawyer called him Kyle)
Sounds like he said "Carl" to me...
Very interesting clip! Thanks
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Mmn Very interesting - watched it without sound but those buttons /paddles / pedals do all look bear-sized.
The electric shock might be part of some Milgram-esque psychology experiment.
No wonder the poor bears always seem so pissed off. They never know whether they are going to get
Bear Food (seal puree or porridge I guess) or a nasty shock.
Thinking about it I don't know what would me worse for Sawyer, an electric shock or a batch of seal puree - mmmn nice!
good thought, ular98, and it goes along with the cages being out in the middle of the jungle, isolated
although, the people or animals in the two cells could see each other... interesting
Could it be that the two animals/prisoners have to work together to get a reward. If they both press their buttons together they are rewarded. If they act indepndently they are punished.
o.k. so Hanso launched the mental health appeal to save RB, his stupid daughter.
Obviously he failed.
noblelawyer said... o.k. so Hanso launched the mental health appeal to save RB, his stupid daughter. Obviously he failed.
LSHNEMB!!!!
Don't be a playa hater :)
leelee - I'm really interested in that as well, although it's actually from the season 2 finale, I believe. I also find it interesting that the promo says something about finding out that we don't really know what we think we know. My guess is The Others will turn out to not be so bad afterall - in a sense, they are the "good" guys.
Dark Angel - I like that theory about them having to work together - kind of fits into the whole Dharma idea.
Morning, everyone!
Why does Malek need to know RB is in NY to meet her in Norway?
****Spoiler***
Assuming the cage was part of the Dharma Initiative and assuming that DI started out honest like has been suggested most recently by Malek, then I think that 1) the cage was meant for an animal, 2)the buttons don't do anything because they are no longer activated and the original experiment is no longer active, 3) the cage has been rewired to serve the purposes of the Others, and 4) this is another example of how the Hanso Foundation and DI, while starting out on the right foot, has gone totally wrong.
About the time difference, it could be explained by a 2 day gap between the end of season 2 and the start of season 3, meaning we left the kiddos on the pier and the next time we see them it is two days later.
a lot of the material from the promos is from season 2 though.
*********UK spoiler********
that was from the end of season 2 before Michael boated away with Walt. We have long been speculationg on what the other's have meant by "Good ones" and "good guys" through out season 2
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Ugh! Let's see if I can get it right this time!
*****Spoilers****
Dark Angel: Yeah, the work together theory is good too.
Also about the good guys, I'm reminded about a show somewhere where there was an island with soliders on it fighting WWII because they had lost all communication with the outside world. Those soldiers would have said they were the "good guys" too, but they were acting on outdated information and fighting an irrelevant cause.
I think something similar may be happening here. The Others started out as the good guys, scientists of the Dharma Initiative. In the mean time, their actions have changed as they've been left to fend for themselves. They could be "bad guys" in their actions but in their minds still consider themselves to be good guys because they started out that way.
Twinkle said...
*****Spoilers****
Dark Angel: Yeah, the work together theory is good too.
I knew specialising in Animal Behaviour at Uni. would be useful one day!
I wonder if Sawyer is being held at the Zoological Research Station?
about the cage in the season preview -
Those are not bear size paddles.
they are Orangatang and Gorilla sized paddles. And Gorillas and sometimes orangatangs can learn meaning of symbols (like the knife and fork) although I don't know why they would use utensils for apes.
The fact that there are utensils on the button and a verbal warning (can't hear at work but from prevous posts here seems to be a verbal warning) It would seem that it was made specifically for humans.
Would not be at all surprised if was always intended for humans but made very much like an animal cage to dehumanize the prisoners.
Thta's a good way of looking at it noble ...
So the quote attached to the MHP, specifically, "...those who can not shine for themselves." Makes me think that the MHA was not started to help Rachel. I am leaning toward the idea that the "loved one" referred to by Malek was perhaps Rachel's mother.
Oh and agreed Dennis...when I saw the Lost sneak peek last night I heard Carl.
ular98 said...
It sounds sort of like an RPG...put the block on that lever, while shooting an arrow into this one and when the light comes on hit the last one. LOL
Joking aside you might be close to the truth - it may take a co-ordinated effort from both prisoners to activate the food delivery.
I still reackon these a polar bear cages though.
noblelawyer said...
they are Orangatang and Gorilla sized paddles. And Gorillas and sometimes orangatangs can learn meaning of symbols (like the knife and fork) although I don't know why they would use utensils for apes.
Is this where Joop was trained?
I think that even if they don't need the fork & knife symbol for the animals in the cage, it might be there to remind the the trainer -- as in, "what was that button for...?"
Dark Angel said: I wonder if Sawyer is being held at the Zoological Research Station?
*****Spoilers****
That's what makes the most sense to me. IMHO the utensils and voice warning could be modifications made by the others for human experiements. But I believe that the DI started out clean and honest and has changed, so we're not seeing the cages in their original configuration. We can't neccessarily take the way the cages are now for the way they have always been since the start of the DI. Same with the Others.
Ange said...
I am leaning toward the idea that the "loved one" referred to by Malek was perhaps Rachel's mother.
Yeah, me too.
leelee: Good point. That could be the conflict TPTB are trying to set up.
twinkle - I agree. Whatever the original purpose/experiment was, it has certainly been altered.
And back to the game - I definately think that it was Rachel's mother that the MHA was supposed to help. Could be the age old story - Alvar's a bad, gun running dude until he falls in love with a sweet lady (although apparently a mentally unstable lady) and decides to change his ways.
I think alvar hanzo is secretly a woman.
The symbols on the button could be for the researchers, or for example to make it clear in a video observing the bears of what the button was for. Imagine film that was going out to researchers who didn't sahre a common language. It would be clear what the button was for even if you didn't understand the dialogue, or if there was no dialogue.
I think these cages weere originally used for the poor polar bears but are now being used purely as safe place to put a very angry (and therefore potentially dangerous) Sawyer. I wonder if the other guy - Carl(?) is one of the Talies
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Alex: So then he's Rachel's mother? LOL!
The casting call for the Alvar character mentioned something about a love interest I think. Does anyone have the link to those casting calls? They're interesting to refer to as the story progresses.
Boy, it's nice to have something new to discuss and theorize about!
Melissa_Lossa said...
I definately think that it was Rachel's mother that the MHA was supposed to help. Could be the age old story - Alvar's a bad, gun running dude until he falls in love with a sweet lady (although apparently a mentally unstable lady) and decides to change his ways.
I agree. But maybe she's not so much "mentally unstable", but more like Alzheimer's disease.
dennis, Opera has that function built in :)
Now if it would only display Rachels site correctly :(.......... LOL
GOOD MORNING TLEC!!!
Man cool new promo vid, can't wait for S3.
I hate when I wake up and get on and the clue has been found for the day...Oh well. Hopefully we'll get more today.
leelee - I agree that figuring out how the Others define "good" is crucial to the story of the show.
A psycopath may have a definition of good that is contrary to what is known as good in civil society.
And many many atrocities, in fact just about all atrocities committed by us have been done in the name of what is good.
The Nazis exterminated the Jews for the good of the ariane race.
The Inquisition was done for the good of those they killed and tortured.
The Crusades were done to exterminate and/or convert the muslims for their own good and the good of christianity
The institution of slavery in thte United STates was done for the good of the blacks they enslaved because they were too stupid to take care of themselves.
See how as humans we have a way of rationalizing the horrible things we do to one another? We rationalize and say things we do are for the good of those we do the things to, when really it is purely selfish reasons.
I think the dharma initiative failed because while it tried to figure out how to improve the human in race and condition, it ended up just boiling the people down to their most elemental and brutal origins.
thats what i was thinking noble. a bad guy never thinks of himself as a bad guy. it all depends on point of view.
Twinkle said...
Boy, it's nice to have something new to discuss and theorize about!
I agree twinkle (and hi:))...it's been a long time since I've felt like posting:)
So the wording used in Malekl's message was interesting as well. He said, "...to SAVE a loved one." I wonder if Rachel's mother (if it is indeed her that he is talking about) committed suicide.
*I also included a neurological disease...but it was already posted by the time I finished writing this....things are quick today and it is GOOD!
good morning class. new notes from our lovebirds, huh?
Now all together class....
"Good Moning Mr. Oxillini"
Good Moning Mr. Oxillini
Hmmm... good point, dennis, although I'm kind of hoping for a Benny & Joon revelation. :) Alvar created the MHA because his true love was bonkers.
I know that sounds very un-PC, but bonkers is such a fun word! I'm really a very nice girl, I promise. :)
exerpt from TV guide
SPOILERS
the writers tone down the mythology and up the action-adventure. the premiere focuses on jack, kate and sawyer who are being held seperately in varying degrees of discomfort. likewise, desmond, eko and locke initially are "not together."
SPOILER (even for US viewers)******************************************
desmond is alice.
DAMN! I MEANT TO SAY HES ALIVE. i just cought that.
Okay whats up with the link tht says 57 on stophanso.rb.com ? like loads of pictures some static and some flicking to others with numbers and whatnot(ps i lost my laptop for 2 weeks and im catching up on stuff so go easy on me :p)
Sean,
FYI, You can delete a post by clicking the little trash can next to your bad post...
I prefer Desmond is Alice
Alice, Alice who the f*** is Alice
(Sorry those not from the UK may not get that)
yeah, but i worked so hard on that post.
picsel said...
Okay whats up with the link tht says 57 on stophanso.rb.com ?
That's an old clue. That's where we got Glyph #57
anyone else caught on that perhaps the loved one was perhaps liddy/libby? (sorry i just thought i had to bring up an old argument
maybe he goes further down the rabbit hole!
and it is funny,
Good morning...sneaking out of a meeting to check TLEC, man, I need an intervention.
Here's a quick thought/question:
When Malik was in the stairwell with Rachel, he said something to the effect of "I heard your mother died. Is she the one who told you?"
If Rachel's mom was the one that was crazy, I'm not sure she would be sharing details on Alvar and the Mental Health Initiative...at least not with any credibility.
Now the theory I like is that RACHEL is crazy and her mom is the one who told her she was nuts before she died. Alvar and Mom put together the MHI to help Rachel.
I know, I know, it's way out there, but seriously, doesn't that help explain those ridiculous candy bars? ;>)
I swear if this game ends with "surprise! Rachels' just, oh let's say bonkers," I am going to be really upset.
It could be Liddy/Libby and that's why she was in the Mental Institute but I have a feel that they'll keep this to TLE characters at the moment.
if only i knew where in NY rachel is, i could meet up with her.
yes fastenyourseatbelts i like the theory and i really do but im still gunna take the piss out of it.... yes and really we're all figments of ther crazy woman's mind, and really at the end of TLE she is going to wak eup and realise it was all a dream and really none of this happened - on the plus side it would mean we would never have actually spent ages searching for glyphs
kvonhard: where at? wia doesn't load right on my computer. can someone cut and paste it?
dark angel - steal y post why dont you :p
or maybe its the opposite. maybe this is all real and we think its a game.
I can see the end now....
Rachel wakes up in her bed in Kansas.
"Oh I had the strangest dream and you were all there, Thomas you were a cowardly meglomaniac and Uncle Alvar you were there too and Malik you were there but you were an Iron Man......"
Maybe it's just be thats bonkers....
can someone check out the binary on whereisalvar that kvonhard was talking about?
on it....
how can locke and eko not be together? they were standing next to one another when whenever it was went off, went off.
re: binary on where is alvar...
it's a picture someone named rachel@whereisalvar.com. not cut and pastable. can someone put it up on photobucket?
i dont think you can copy it. you have to go the old school way, write it all down and submit it into the decoder.
im working on it now, going to take a while tho
screen cap anyone?
stupid work computer. it's almost as if they don't want me on wia.com from work. now that's bonkers!
***spoiler***
noblelawyer - wasn't Locke still locked in the computer room? and Eko was outside - he was taken out by the first blast
I'm guessing they're going to have to dig each other out
maybe we can break up and each can decipher parts. it would be quicker.
it would be a lot faster than having one person decipher the whole thing.
i'll work on a part if i can get one!
good spot kvonhard, looks like we've got the lead on this one too!
should we each do one line, or something?
Right on more action....Go team go!!!
i can do the top 2 rows. the first row is very short.
anyone know a good binary translator?
5th line converts to....
dennis, i like:
http://www.theskull.com/javascript/ascii-binary.html
WHERE IS ALVAR FROM RACHEL
I got a cap for those of you that are having problems. Any luck decoding yet? Sorry I'm coming in late.
Hi Guys
Try http://nickciske.com/tools/binary.php
I make the first two lines
596
974746F3A6
but i should really recheck
"E686hnjll6"
which is nothing.
http://www.paulschou.com/tools/xlate/ Many people use this binary translator.
so....
line 1 - 596
line 2 - 974746F3A6
Line 3 -
Line 4 -
Line 5 - E686hnjll6
it think this is just someone having a good time.
someone wanting to see if people will waste there time figuring it out.
But hey, what have we got to do anyway?
i tried to decipher the top 2 lines and got giberish.
maybe it has to be done all at once? i dont know how binary works.
596974746F3A6 is what i got.
noblelawyer,
I think they "screen" every photo for approval before posting on wia.com. I don't see how someone could get a pic on there without an Apollo bar is they weren't Rachel.
well is this another case of where we have to do a binary conversion to text and then put that into another conversion as well?
i think each group of numbers is a letter. i put letters into the decoder and i got:
a=01100001
b=01100010
c=01100011
and so on.
I am wondering if this is a code within a code - IE - Convert from Binary to Hex and then Hex to ASCII.
The Other question is how do we read it I am assuming from left to right but would it make more sense going down each column?
maybe were not supposed to put the spaces.
Butting in to say good morning while you guys work on the new WIA code! I'm in awe of all your skills to work on this. And am very grateful, too. Decoding is way above me! ...
Just adding my thoughts that I agree with most of you that the loved one that Alvar started MHP for could be Rachel's mom...mom could have either had depression or alzheimer's.
Re the promo scene of Sawyer last night: Definitely a animal cage. Probably a lot of experimenting done there to condition the animals to hit that button for food, but only at certain times.
i assumed it was binary to hex to ascii, but that's giving gibberish. plus that means noble's line 5 is gibberish, because you can't have an n in hex
No, I am pretty sure the Binary converts into Hex and the HEX into Ascii - I tried it on the first few and came up with Yitto?
If i get time I will try and convert a chunk but it is not easy at work!
sean: spaces won't matter.
so far, the last two lines donw in binary to hex to ascii are:
7nprrih.?
which is also crap. it is definitely binary to hex and probably to ascii, but then what, i though maybe rot-something, but that's screwed because of the number and the symbols
MMn good point no N in Hex - Maybe if we decode it all from Binary first the next step will become clearer
each little eight bit chunk makes one letter there's only sixteen combinations in there. (should be anyway) this is feeling fake to me.
Here's what I get:
01011001 01101001 01110100 01110100 01101111 00111010 01100100 01100101 01110100 01101111 01110100 01100001 01101111 01100110 01101101 01101001 01110101 00110100 01101001 01111001 01101000 01101110 01101000 01110100 01110101 01100110 01100101 01101110 01110010 00110101 01101110 01101111 01100101 01111001 00101100 00100111 01101100 01100101 01101110 01100111 01110011 01010000 01100111 01110101 01100010 01101111 01100010 01110011 01101001 01110010 01110100 01101111 01100101 01001101 01100001 01110010 01110010 01110101 01100101 01110101 01110110 01100101 01110011 01110101 01100011 00101110 01100011 01100101 01100001 01101000 01100011 01101000 01100101 01101110 00101110 01110100 01101111 01001001 01100001 01101101 01101110 01101001 01100001 01100101 01100100 01110100 01000010 01110011 01101110 00100111 01110010 01100101 01100100 01110100 01110101 01100011 01101001 01100001 01100101 01101001 01100101 01101101 00101110 01101101 01101111 01101101 00110110 11110110 11100111 00000111 01110110 01000110 00010111 00110100 10000110 00100110 01100110 01010110 01010110 01000011 00110110 00010110 00010110 01010111 01000110 01010110 11110110 01010110 10010111 01110111 01000110 01010110 01000110 00100110 10010111 10010011 01110110 11100111 00000111 00100111 00100110 10010110 10000010 11100000 00000000
But when I convert it to text, I get gibberish...any suggestions?
Just stopping by.
A BIG thanks to those of you working on the code.
I really don't have time to transcribe and convert it while at work right now.
Good luck to you!!
-DC
There must be a clue somewhere as to how to decode this but where that's the question
I've put in the last 4 lines and gotten gibberish for text and the following hex:
36 46 36 35 36 39 37 37 37 34 36 35 36 34 37 32 36 39 37 39 33 37 36 42 9b 98 1b 99 1b 99 1b 1c 9b 1c 19 22 98 18 00
maybe we should try octal?
nvm. tried it. didnt work.
sean: it can't be octal, the letters throw that off.
i figured. but i didnt know a thing about any of these codes until we started this search.
Reverse it maybe, bottom to top, right to left, then decode?
last four lines also translate as:
dec/char : 54 70 54 53 54 57 55 55 55 52 54 53 54 52 55 50 54 57 55 57 51 55 54 66 155 152 27 153 27 153 27 28 155 28 25 34 152 24 0
and as base64 : NkY2NTY5Nzc3NDY1NjQ3MjY5NzkzNzZCm5gbmRuZGxybHBkimBgA
and as text: 6F656977746564726979376B plus a bunch of boxes that blogger won't allow to post
tried reversing the binary, then to hex. no dice, last two chunks come up as ??, not a beginning of a word for sure
could this
111151131047156103155116056
found here
http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/2006/09/111151131047156103155116056.html
Have a tie in with the pic codes from whereisalvar ?
I only know haw to input these things i the one translator I have. I have no idea where to go or what to do from there.
I too only started learning about this stuff due to this game, so will leave it to smarter, more accomplished people.
for all this work, it better not end up saying
I love you, Malik!!
XOXOXO Rachel!
If you go from Binary to Hex to Ascii you get
Yitto:detotaofmiu4iyhnhtufenr5noey,'lengsPgubobsirtoeMarruetvesuc.ceahchen.toIamniaedtBsn'r
It's either a ceasar cipher or an anagram
LoL Sean
that would be an impossible anagram
ive gotten "yitto" a few times when i deciphered (tried to decipher) a few different codes.
Lotsa luck anagraming that!
maybe yitto can be an anagram for a name.
Hi guys, just dropping in for min,
I think it might be Binary to Dec/Char to Hex to Ascii. I tried a few codes from top left down and got actual letters.
Trying left>right now.
really? crap, that means it is real, and we gotta figure it out, which is cool, but also a problem since we are having so many problems.
at least it helps with inputing it into translators.
wait that is a different message???? I'm confused.
id love to stay and see where this goes, but im running late. ill be back in a while.
Noble; nice explanation of how "good" can sometimes be relative in definition. I think that has not been taken into consideration in the posts for the most part.
Actually though, the Crusades were more of a reaction to a few hundred years of Muslim/Turk aggression across the Holy Land, Asia Minor, Europe, etc.
As for the cage, I'm going with the ape-cage theory. Dr. Penny (forget her last name) has done amazing things with gorillas (e.g. Koko) in the way of teaching them sign language, symbols, communication, etc. (www.koko.com) Michael the male gorilla even painted pictures that looked very much like his dog! The fork/knife button could stand for "food" (once the apes learn the symbols), but in order to keep the apes from pushing the food button too much, when the button says "warning", maybe they are to learn that they are not to push it a second time. As long as the button doesn't say it, they can push for food as much as they like.
Just my $.02 :-) Sorry if this has already been posted by the time I got it printed out.
well I'm going to get some work done. I am sure ya'll will figure out this code if it is legit.
Sorry, I was wrong, doesn't seem to work. I'm in the same boat as noblelawyer. Fair play to you peaceandnamaste for transcribing!!
Hi Guys
Got to go now - catch up later
Yitto:detotaofmiu4iyhnhtufenr5noey,'lengsPgubobsirtoeMarruetvesuc.ceahchen.toIamniaedtBsn'redtuciaeidm.momsonpwdasHbfeed3aaeteoeiwtedriy7nprrih.
Well, we wanted a challenge...This is what we get.
We need some more peeps back in the day from Phase 1 to join in this game again...
Cool, puzzle guys! Sorry I'm no help.
Ange said...
So the wording used in Malekl's message was interesting as well. He said, "...to SAVE a loved one." I wonder if Rachel's mother (if it is indeed her that he is talking about) committed suicide.
The "Rachel is crazy theory" is interesting but unlikely I think. It could be like Ange suggested, a tragic romance between Alvar and Rachel's mother where Rachel's mother commits suicide because she can't take how the Dharma Initiative is changing Alvar or because Alvar disappears.
i dont think its an anagram, we're not the savants at Vik this is another thing to decipher
holy crap basscle! awesome work!
dude! Great work bass and peace. Great suggestion!
is admin around? new post?
Dude, right on Bassclef42...
What was the brand of iron she used...
what brand of iron did she use?
ox,
I already added the wia info to the current post. Now I'm finalizing it.
I think they definitely like each other! :-D
That iron being the password is a total flirtation!
can't believe malek was able to see the iron's brandname as it came towards his head! how observant!
Great work bassclef!
Super work, guys!
Still don't know how you got the "Yitto:...". Jee!
Can someone explain please?
BTW, my word verification was "impoo"
:)
cool admin, couldn't remember if you had left or not. guess it was belly i was thinking of.
oxillini said...
can't believe malek was able to see the iron's brandname as it came towards his head! how observant!
He probably saw it when he came to.
3 apartments, do we know this info. Doesn't ring a bell...
Ok, I worked on it anyway... :)
It looks to me like it is definitely bin to ASCII, then the ASCII is actually hex code that needs to be converted again to get the real ASCII values..
The problem is that blank set of binary.
We need that missing set to convert to the proper hex sequence in order to be able translate it fully.
congradulations on finding the code. now to look through iron catalogs.
ryandrumz,
I don't think we have that info but it shows that (probably) Hanso has been trailing her for some time, if not ALL the time which would kind of strengthen the theory that Rachel is his daughter.
Ah, ok, I see that we alread got around that.
*blushes*
Ok, well, I just wasted a bunch of time..
so we need sean to go to every apartment in nyc and say barnd names of irons.
"hi, you don't know me, but does 'rowenta' ring a bell?"
ok oxillini. ill see if i can get marcus to help me. i mean how many apartments can there be in NYC? right? right?
So...are we going to have to start decompiling Flash videos posted on Rowenta.com now?
Damn you oxillini! How did we both come up with the same brand?
Why would TPTB want us to figure out where they're meeting up? Most likely the info is to show the relationship between RB and THF (or at least Malek) goes deeper than we knew for sure previously.
Do you supposed this will be the last message? Or will we get one from Rachel confirming?
Great work! I knew someone here had to get it solved first since ya'll were all so diligently working on it.
well, i was just dropping in to check the progress. it seems like there was a lot. i have to go back to work, but ill speak again as soon as i get a chance.
sean said...
ok oxillini. ill see if i can get marcus to help me. i mean how many apartments can there be in NYC? right? right?
LSHNEMB!!
Marcus hasn't been on in a while. Do you know how he's doing?
agreed peaceannamaste. i don't think this is a real-world event. they don't expect anyone to go to an apartment building and yell out the password.
Hi all! Been a reeeaaaally long time since I posted.
I have to say I was quite bored with these communications so far, but it's getting interesting. And I can't WAIT!! 3 weeks to go!!
Hey all, looks like I missed an exciting day so far. Hope something else happens now that I have a chance to lurk again...
shellma get your ass on the chatroom williepic!
Anybody have a link to the first, "Copenhagen 1," video of Rachel. Stophanso's archives don't seem to go back that far. It occurred to me that maybe the phone call Rachel received in the middle of the first video was about her mother dying. Did the video just keep rolling or did it break after she said, "Hello?" If it broke then we don't know what happened in the interim. Her reaction wasn't extreme but then again, her mother could have been sick and dying was not a surprise to her.
Then Rachel's grief in Italy would have been fresh and Malek's comment about her mother passing would have been recent news.
Anyway, I'd like to check the video again. Anybody know if it's on YouTube?
James, that turned out to be a glyph code. Not sure which clue it was, but definetly old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHudJA0u9G0&mode=related&search=
youtube of Rachel video 6
I don't think you can tell what kind of iron it is.
Is that pic on whereisalvar? for real? Can't anyone post anything on there, pretty much?
BTW, That pic from Rachael on WIA that we decoded was from Sri Lanka...
I don't think anybody mentioned this.
So I found the video, Rachel's first post. It definitely seems possible the phone call was news about her mother.
Lostpedia says it appears the phone was dead, but I've always thought that she received bad news.
Maybe it's a trivial piece of information, but the idea that Rachel's mom died while she was in Copenhagen and couldn't go to her make the story more interesting to me. It also makes Rachel's grief and Malek's comment more pertinent. I wonder if it will come into play again later?
Maybe MHA really stands for Mittlewerk Helps Alvar...
gfd613-Good point about the MHA being created my TWM rather than Alvar. I never even thought of that. If that were so, then it would open up many more lines of thinking and maybe get us away from the Alvar+Rachel's mother lines. I will check Lostpedia and see if they have anything about the MHA.
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Lostpedia had this to say about the MHA- From Gene Therapies, to radical pharmaceutical treatments and the cutting edge in both surgery and psychotherapy, the Hanso Foundation's Mental Health Appeal is moving forward to fulfill Alvar Hanso's ambitious mandate: the complete eradication of all mental illness by the end of the century.
That statement coupled with some of the memos relating to the Vik Institute and Dr. Armand Zander make me believe that the "he" referenced in the latest message could indeed be TWM who has created the MHA (based on Alvar's theories and ideas) rather than Alvar.
(Good thinking gfd613).
jess4ua: Yes, that's what I'm currently thinking. It was just a theory when I started, but now I'm nearly convinced.
One more thing. Hi jess...I see you!
Good Afternoon Losties!! Cool stuff to go check on, going to go do that now. It sucks being sick, but at least I have time to play today!!
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