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Clue #55 - Act 2? The "Premature" Rachel Blake Video

After much research, here is the skinny on the "Rachel Blake Video".

The video was found legitimately on Friday June 16 (almost by accident) on Monster.com. Here's how: The homepage had a poll that must have looked interesting to TLE followers b/c it has Jimmy Kimmel as the top choice. We took the poll and then clicked to view the results, there was a a link at the bottom of the results that said, "view our celebrity advice videos". For a short window of time, Rachel Blake's video was posted at the bottom of THIS page (and it will probably return there soon). We know for a fact that the video was there but then was taken away.

As best we can tell, Monster.com posted too early (everyone makes mistakes) and so they removed the link from their site almost immediately on Friday but not THE VIDEO FILE from their server until sometime Sunday night. It seems as though they've taken it off Monster for now, so try clicking HERE to see it in YouTube.

Here's what we think:
Read this ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY ARTICLE just out on Sunday and notice the following quote: "Produced in partnership with Lost's TV carriers in the U.K. and Australia, the Experience was conceived by ABC's marketing department and the show's producers as a three-act story steeped in official show mythology but involving new or peripheral characters."

The Hanso site and Persephone's hacks were Act 1. This new video is the introduction to Act 2. Monster just goofed and messed up the intermission. When the time is right we will have a more clear vision of Act 2.

By the way, this is particularly interesting to us because of our theory proposed on Podcast 1 & Clue #23 back on May 6th. Not to brag, but we kinda called it that Persephone = Rachel! Yes, we think Persephone and Rachel are one & the same (just listen to her say "Alvar"). In addition, there has been some discussion and we just thought we'd come out and say it that we really don't think that Rachel is Hugh's "girl on the side". But that's just our opinion.

Thanks to TheTruthTempest, Jack, Isaiah, and Alex for being the first to email.

463 Comments:

Blogger Administrator said...

first. cheating.

6/17/2006 10:36:00 AM  
Blogger winged_eel said...

And I stayed up for nothing.

6/17/2006 10:41:00 AM  
Blogger jlmlostarg said...

It is a truly amazing video that hints at things to come. I would say that Phase II of the ARG has (or rather is about to) commence(d).

Awesome stuff...

Oh, and btw, THIRD!

6/17/2006 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger kackle000 said...

Can anyone help me find this video?

6/17/2006 10:50:00 AM  
Blogger Axelsoar said...

when you say Alex, do you mean me?

6/17/2006 10:52:00 AM  
Blogger ChuckNorissFan said...

I think we should fire back a sublymonal and THF with billboards and commercials of our own.


Save Joop commercial anyone?

6/17/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger louie1 said...

kackle000: i think it was fallenone that published this link:

mms://wm.kidzonline.org/o/monster/week1_post1.wmv

it was in the comments under clue #54

6/17/2006 10:58:00 AM  
Blogger Pwyll said...

The video is here (notice the book during the video, and also the telephone part...)

http://content.monster.com/pop/default.asp?archiveid=3&mediaid=15&playerid=1

6/17/2006 11:00:00 AM  
Blogger herecomesW said...

posted this under the last clue, but reposting here because it is more relevant

think it is possible that all of this rachel stuff is one big tease by the arg creators? after re-reading clue #23, I am wondering if the powers that be are just teasing by giving just a little then pulling back.

where did this web site link come from anyway? who found it? how did they find it? Monster is a BIG site -- it is hard to believe that this was randomly found. did someone on THIS blog find it, or did they just see it mentioned on another blog (ite?)? i think the fact that speaker is acting strange about it might be planned. I also believe that there are game-participants out there who might also be insiders, who help move the game along by posting the clues and clue answers. Personally, I like to know how people figured out the answers to clues, but a lot of times this is not clear -- even in the blog histories. The answers seem to be magically posted and then everyone just goes with it. I started noticing this with the porter password to the ROT site -- no one has really accounted for how they found it.(of course everyone has 20/20 hindsight!)

Just to be clear, I am not saying that every one who figures out a clue is an insider. I think that justwillow might have really figured out the timeless together one herself and that the mention of her name in the flash file was either a shoutout and/or an introduction to the idea that there could be other insiders among us (but a red herring in justwillow's case).

6/17/2006 11:05:00 AM  
Blogger Pwyll said...

posted this under the last clue as a reply, but reposting here because of the same reasons as above...

I was thinking of all this since the beginning of the ARG. The creators WILL try to give us false clues to fool us or.. you understand. But currently we have two choices : stand still and wait or try to figure out this video. I think we should all talk about the video for now. Since THF site is closed, we won't have our clues "normally"...

6/17/2006 11:11:00 AM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

I posted in the last clue comments that I'm trying to decide whether Rachel's voice sounds like the voice we've heard from P. in the past. But, since the website is not accessable at the moment, I cannot comapre the two.

On a side note, Rachel's mouth kinda bugged me. Just a personal thing...I'm wierd, I know...

6/17/2006 11:12:00 AM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

pwyll, I agree. I think we should wait it out and see what comes of/from the video. Only time will tell if it is truly a clue or not.

6/17/2006 11:13:00 AM  
Blogger Pwyll said...

OMFG i posted at 11:11:11 (sorry for this)

6/17/2006 11:13:00 AM  
Blogger FallenOne said...

obviously a pal of mine found a way to dl the vid. up on youtube soon (i hope)

6/17/2006 11:24:00 AM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

Taking Back Sunday and DHARMA?...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=I62SVDMzd_o&search=taking%20back%20sunday%20kimmel

Here's the youtube link to the show which aired on May 12 (I believe). I came across it on youtube and noticed that the drums had one of the DHARMA logos on it. Interesting since this is where Hugh made an appearence. I'm not convinced that it's anything, but I thought it was worth mentioning and possibly checking out.

6/17/2006 11:25:00 AM  
Blogger FallenOne said...

damn... the swan logo
what the..

6/17/2006 11:28:00 AM  
Blogger FallenOne said...

"i just wanna bring you down so badly"
talking bout the dharma init. ... or maybe us? ;) or .. no.. maybe not

6/17/2006 11:31:00 AM  
Blogger herecomesW said...

my point is, we need to be more concerned with the how, why and where of our information.

6/17/2006 11:37:00 AM  
Blogger FallenOne said...

sure do... by the way.. here we go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSyHeES3Q00

6/17/2006 11:43:00 AM  
Blogger Rockymt4vr said...

She had

VAL
LAR
TA

on her shirt. Mean anything?

6/17/2006 11:50:00 AM  
Blogger Axelsoar said...

i agree with herecomesw completely, i say, onew more "leak" about rachel and we can be sure this is a red herring

also, porter was found by the email you get when you give them your email addres. it talks about a porter taking him to another room.

6/17/2006 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

LOL @ administrator's first post...

I'm sure this is a clue... the rachel video... but I don't believe we were supposed to find it yet... It's obvious that it's in game tho, no doubt in my mind about it... looking forward to post 002

6/17/2006 11:53:00 AM  
Blogger maximusdb3 said...

dang I skip a day and miss the biggest part of the ARG! nerts and crackerjacks to that :/

6/17/2006 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger vincentsfoodbowl said...

rockymt4vr: Puerto Vallarta?

6/17/2006 11:59:00 AM  
Blogger FallenOne said...

yeah we talked about the shirt a clue ago ;)
i would say there's no clue in that shirt.. but who am i to judge ;)

6/17/2006 12:01:00 PM  
Blogger westendgirl29 said...

maximus - amen to that! So much for vacation...!

6/17/2006 12:02:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

I would also like to know how and who first found the monster video. others have said it was found by someone just searching the monster site, but using what search terms? I agree that it is always important to consider the source when receiving clues (and I believe JustWillow is completely legit - not an insider

6/17/2006 12:08:00 PM  
Blogger ExperimentalFilm said...

i posted this in the last clue too .
okay . so basically, i recently got into this show, and im totally into the lost experience thing . thanks for getting me hooked, lol . finally gives me somewhere else to go besides myspace ..

well anyway, my head is spinning right now, as are yours, i'm sure .. a question, though . well, a few .

are you sure that the misspelled retreiversoftruth.com isn't in game ?

and is there something significant in the patterned lines around the darma initiative logo ? (you can see a clear picture if you pause it in rachel's video)

and isnt there some asian flag that has those lines ?

exciting day .

6/17/2006 12:08:00 PM  
Blogger ExperimentalFilm said...

oh, and i saw a monster.com blimp yesterday .. kinda freaked me out in light of recent events .

6/17/2006 12:09:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

Is that a Sprite can I see on the table in the Rachel video?

And don't you just love the Alias plug...LOL

6/17/2006 12:10:00 PM  
Blogger FallenOne said...

yes it is,
and yes i like that part too... and i still say that rachel reminds me of the woman in the hugh-hack

6/17/2006 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

mommie, I think is more likely that the band is a fan or aBC was just wanting to increase Kimmel viewership by placing arbitrary Dharma symbols in the show in hopes us Lost and ARG fans wouild start watching regularly

6/17/2006 12:12:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

noblelawyer, that's what I was thinking too, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

6/17/2006 12:14:00 PM  
Blogger Dan23X said...

Yeah, I'm guessing the drumer from Taking Back Sunday, is just a fan of Lost.

6/17/2006 12:15:00 PM  
Blogger lost & confused 2 said...

nightmaremommie, so what did you think of Taking Back Sunday on Jimmy Kimmel???? We know Jimmy is kind of "in game" due to the interview. Do you think this is a ploy for us to go out and buy the cd to see if there is a clue??
Do you know when this aired? I haven't done any research (don't have time on the weekends)but when was the CD released? What company released it?


my brain is fried this is way to many clues for me to process. It is hard to know where to start.

6/17/2006 12:16:00 PM  
Blogger Maia said...

they probably saw the "rachel" post here and took advantage of it. Not rare in ARG to take advantages of "wrong directions" people go. But cool, anyway. =)

6/17/2006 12:18:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

I believe it aired May 12. I'm not a fan of thiers at all (they actually kind of annoy me), so I don't know if they had a new cd come out or not...I'll check though.

6/17/2006 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger Maia said...

Louder Now
Taking Back Sunday

# Audio CD (April 25, 2006)
# Label: Warner Bros / Wea
# ASIN: B000F0UV0Y

Product Description
The bands Warner Bros. debut, Louder Now, takes the group's classic ethos of intertwining vocals and hardcore meets-rock-meets pop to an even more enticing level. Taking Back Sunday is taking back rock.

6/17/2006 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

The song they played was called "make damn sure"...maia beat me to the rest of the info.

6/17/2006 12:25:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

gotta run errands bbl

6/17/2006 12:26:00 PM  
Blogger Rockymt4vr said...

Is that black cloud a cloud of nanobots?

6/17/2006 12:29:00 PM  
Blogger Rockymt4vr said...

Has anybody else seen the channel4 stuff and all that rot?

6/17/2006 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

what channel 4 stuff?

6/17/2006 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger PyscoUno said...

all i can think about that is quick open up some bibles and find the missing parts (if its in game)
and by channel 4 you mean the untold on the lost page? and rachel sounds like persephone

6/17/2006 12:43:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

Okay, I am getting really confused by these posts. Is it just me?

Also, I was able to get back onto the Hanso site today. Haven't had a chance to look around...I've been researching nanobots all morning.

6/17/2006 12:47:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

Can anyone tell me what is said immediately after the phone call, just before the sound of a phone being put back into its cradle is heard? It sounds to me like, "They found her."

6/17/2006 12:50:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

I hadn't noticed anything Matt...now I'm gonna have to go watch it AGAIN. j/k...thanks for pointing it out...I'll take another look.

6/17/2006 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger lilblondedude said...

Experimental Film, there is some symbology in the symbolic lines around the dharma logo; it has been mentioned on lostpedia if you wish to research it but i am afraid i have lost, haha, the link (sorry about my DISGUSTINGLY poor pun there)

6/17/2006 12:55:00 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

NightmareMommie -- Or maybe it's "We found her."

6/17/2006 12:56:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

I hear it, but cannot make out what they're saying. Sorry Matt. We'll have to find someone on here who's good at audio stuff and see if they can put it in a program to make it clearer or something...you know, if that can be done.

6/17/2006 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger us soilder said...

Its back up the site is back up

6/17/2006 01:01:00 PM  
Blogger lilblondedude said...

I thought it sounded rather more like "KILLED" or "they killed her", something along those lines. Anybody else here that?

6/17/2006 01:01:00 PM  
Blogger us soilder said...

thehansofoundation.org is back up its not blocked i looked at the vid and it went back up

6/17/2006 01:02:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

yeah, i noticed that

6/17/2006 01:06:00 PM  
Blogger lilblondedude said...

what did you notice, the site back up or the KILLED bit?

6/17/2006 01:08:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

Oh sorry, that the site was back up. I posted it a few posts up.

As far as the killed/found thing. I cannot make out what the words are. I hear them, but it just sounds like gibberish to me. It's probably the quality of the speakers on my laptop. I'll have to check it out later at my in-laws house. They have a nice little speaker system connected to their computer.

6/17/2006 01:10:00 PM  
Blogger us soilder said...

its back up but its preety funky the links are messed up and stuff

6/17/2006 01:10:00 PM  
Blogger FallenOne said...

it's not up on my end...
i just went there, then there was the good old green hanso logo... no woman... no "skip" button... and then after one min i refreshed the site, and now i see black and red again

6/17/2006 01:12:00 PM  
Blogger lilblondedude said...

I don't think that your speakers are that bad (or maybe they are!) but it is definately very grainy. Maybe it's just a red herring from something more important?

6/17/2006 01:12:00 PM  
Blogger Acts4Food said...

check out the site... under sign up do it all over again... new stuff...

6/17/2006 01:14:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

falleone...you have to go to thehansofoundation.org (no www) and it will come up.

6/17/2006 01:16:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

acts4food: I've gotten that before. That is what happens if you've already inputted the password previously.

6/17/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Blogger Acts4Food said...

I dont remember all the dharma stuff the first time but I could be wrong... anybody else?

6/17/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Blogger Acts4Food said...

ah... ok thx...

6/17/2006 01:19:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

6/17/2006 01:19:00 PM  
Blogger Acts4Food said...

I do think the voices sound similar from the video and the joop comment after the letter...

6/17/2006 01:20:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

They do sound simmiliar...But I'm still not convinced that they are the same...just similar. But, that's just me.

6/17/2006 01:21:00 PM  
Blogger FallenOne said...

thx mommie, workin now

i'll get on the audio soon, you know.. from the telephone.. but i'm gonna go to my gf now ;)
cyall later
FallenOne

6/17/2006 01:21:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

I have s b-day part to go to this afternoon, and still have to go get ready and go buy a gift. I will be on later though...you can count on that.

Everyone, have a GREAT Saturday!!!

6/17/2006 01:23:00 PM  
Blogger Shakey said...

Hi guys

What a couple of days this has been!

My take on the Rachel video:

#1: This HAS to be in-game because of the pure logistics of getting a video onto Monster in time. So, in whatever capacity, this video is legitimately part of the game.

Whether it's a real clue or a red herring remains to be seen.

#2: Unless ABC have suddenly decided to cut funding for this game and simply recycled actors, this Rachel IS Persephone. The voices are almost identical, as are some of her inflections on words and pronounciation (I spend a lot of time editing voice-over at work so you tend to pick up on things like this).

#3: Also, Rachel's reference to Persephone in the third person was a little confirmation to ALL OF US that her mask is off and she's taking her fight to the next level - notice her slight smirk, the mischeivous eyes and the tilt of the head as she says Persephone. Also notice the emphasis on and the fractional pause before the word "Persephone" which is out of place in the oratory flow of the sentence (just look at how any superhero in movies refer to themselves when they're using their aliases).

Also note that immediately after referring to Persephone she then refers to all actions from this point in the first person.

#4 Again unless ABC are recycling actors, Rachel has to be Hugh McIntyre's bit on the side as (video quality permitting) they are very similar looking people, especially with the glasses on.

I think the explicit putting on of the glasses was to confirm to all the super-vigilant players in the game that the mistress WAS her, and being so close to Hugh McIntyre shows she knows what she's talking about. Also that little shout-out to Alias could've meant more than just "hey I'm a good looking brunette doing spy stuff with gadgets just like Sydney". I personally think that her affair with McIntyre was planned so she could get close to him, and thus closer to THF. I'm sure Persephone/Rachel was/is a DJ Dan conspiraspy who's been on the case since THF's ejection from the Congo in '92. If you're researching and hiding for 14 years you get good at assuming aliases and going "undercover", such as being McIntyre's mistress.

Certainly with a video clip called "post 1 week 1" this is the new playing field for the game with THF.org shutting down.

SHUTDOWN! You scored a big one DJ Dan ;)

6/17/2006 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger blue elephant said...

Matt the Pale --

if there really is something, maybe it's got something to do with Tanya? she might be missing! the latest dj dan podcast only supports this theory...

6/17/2006 01:49:00 PM  
Blogger fitz66 said...

shakey: I totally agree with you but i don't know why the McIntyre wouldn't have said when he was on the Kimmel show and said yes i did cheat on my wife and yes I cheasted on her with this Rachel person she's is targeting my personal life and my job by hacking into the site and you shold not believe her because of this to give us the impression of discrediting her

6/17/2006 01:54:00 PM  
Blogger Shakey said...

fitz66:

By admitting to an affair, regardless of what Persephone/Rachel is doing, would undermine the very fabric of what McIntyre's public face is all about: "deeply committed to family values".

6/17/2006 02:01:00 PM  
Blogger fitz66 said...

I understand that but I mean every Rachel (persephone) said that they will go to any cost to stand up for what they believe in so would it be in the best interest of the company to shut her down as quickly as posible.

6/17/2006 02:16:00 PM  
Blogger stephaniek said...

im pretty sure its "We found" but I can't tell if its her/him/them.

what im wondering is what he's saying at first... something Blake maybe? that is Rachel's last name...

6/17/2006 02:18:00 PM  
Blogger fitz66 said...

ok this is really strange I look at the last persephone clue last night and I just tried the hanso site and it worked, I watched it agian tried the site agian it worked everyone try the site cause I don't know if a glitch in my computer or what.

6/17/2006 02:23:00 PM  
Blogger AlohaPrincess said...

Another thing about Jimmy Kimmel - on the front page for the US there's a poll and Jimmy's one of the options. I wonder if he will have any more involvement in the game?

6/17/2006 02:27:00 PM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

now it's become another "find the rest of the video" thing just like the Gary Troup interview (which we still haven't found complete yet) and just like the orientation videos on the show. I'm thinking that the missing parts will show up on one of sponsor site, especially verizon seeing as how they have this whole video stuff now.

6/17/2006 02:38:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

shakey, I agree with most of what you said. Really good thinking.

Personally, I don't think that Rachel is the girl that Hugh was with in London. I looked at a pic with 3 screen caps of that girl. If you look at them while watching Rachel, I think you'll see that they are not the same.

Both young, both brown hair, but not the same.

PICS OF HUGH'S GIRL

6/17/2006 02:41:00 PM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

the video beginning mentions that it's post 001. there will prolly be more. she also mentioned her blog, saying "it says i'm on vacation." is she the female on the verizon/ROT site? or is there another blog we must find?

6/17/2006 02:43:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

shakey, I don't think Rachel could have been on the case for the last 14 years. She's pretty young.

6/17/2006 02:49:00 PM  
Blogger NightmareMommie said...

yakobus1, that's what I thought about the blog too.

6/17/2006 02:50:00 PM  
Blogger ExperimentalFilm said...

who's the female on the verizon/ROT site ?

6/17/2006 02:50:00 PM  
Blogger oo7surge said...

admin/shakey - It looks like Hugh's mistress may have red hair(?).

nmmommie - I have to agree. I'm guessing Rachel B. is mid to late twenties. If she has been at it for the last 14 years, she would have started when she was 15-16 at the latest; not impossible, but I don't think that's the case.

6/17/2006 02:55:00 PM  
Blogger oo7surge said...

experimentalfilm - I believe that iobiseeingyou is the female (or at least a female) on the RoT board. I didn't notice anything there saying anyone was on vacation, so I'm guessing it's a different blog.

6/17/2006 02:57:00 PM  
Blogger ExperimentalFilm said...

the rachel video also cuts out a lot and its really choppy.. it looks like some things on her desk move too

6/17/2006 02:57:00 PM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

that's why i say that there must be more of it hidden out there somewhere like the orientation videos on the show, also more whole videos to come seeing as how it's only post 001

6/17/2006 03:01:00 PM  
Blogger ExperimentalFilm said...

thanks, surge .. and i agree, yakobus.. between this video, the orientation film cutting out after "dont use the computer to", and persephone cutting out after "I'm gonna", theres definitely some missing peices .

and in reference to the east asian allusions in DJ dans mind control podcast.. the orientation guy, "tonya", the hanso foundation website lady .. they're all asian . coincidence ?

6/17/2006 03:06:00 PM  
Blogger belly0fdesire said...

Here is the image of "hugh's girl" with a Rachel Blake screenshot...

6/17/2006 03:08:00 PM  
Blogger ExperimentalFilm said...

oh my gosh .

it IS her .. it totally is

6/17/2006 03:11:00 PM  
Blogger oo7surge said...

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6/17/2006 03:11:00 PM  
Blogger ExperimentalFilm said...

the sunglasses, the wig, remember the video

6/17/2006 03:12:00 PM  
Blogger arerosesred said...

Hi--

I technoratied Rachel Blake and Copenhagen and found this blog entry.


COPENHAGEN, DENMARK
15 days ago

Hi everyone, welcome to my European travel blog. I’m Rachel Blake, I’m 24, and yes, this trip is coming two years late. I feel like I’m in the minority amongst my friends, who all seemed to find a way to spend six months after graduation backpacking through Europe. Silly me, I sold out and got a real-life job with an evil megalithic corporation. Well, that job has ended, and now I’m here. But, no youth hostels or hitchhiking for me, thanks ...



It references a blog called tacosalad1.blogspot.com, which gets you the usual blogger 404 page not found. I wonder if it is in game, or will come into play---

Rose

6/17/2006 03:14:00 PM  
Blogger Dan23X said...

Hugh's Girl definettly looks like Rachel B.

6/17/2006 03:15:00 PM  
Blogger ExperimentalFilm said...

whoa, how did you say you got that ?

6/17/2006 03:16:00 PM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

good find areroses, that's interesting, is that the only entry?

6/17/2006 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger AlohaPrincess said...

hmmm interesting... this is the other part on the search results:

...in Copenhagen, and from there, I’m just gonna play it by ear. Who wants to have a stressful vacation? Finally! So, why Copenhagen? Why Denmark? Maybe I’ve read Hamlet one too many times...

6/17/2006 03:21:00 PM  
Blogger arerosesred said...

Oh I found the whole blog using google blogsearch---she moved it. Now it is at

http://tacosalad-rachel.blogspot.com/

I think that is in-game, because if you look at her blogger profile her other supposed non-functioning blog is

rachelblake.blogspot.com

She's been to Paris, Iceland, The Italian Rivera.

Rose! (This is my first find ever)

6/17/2006 03:26:00 PM  
Blogger ExperimentalFilm said...

"...an evil megalithic corporation."

hanso ? huh ?

6/17/2006 03:27:00 PM  
Blogger arerosesred said...

And was planning on visiting the city of Vik.

6/17/2006 03:27:00 PM  
Blogger ExperimentalFilm said...

i almost wish this was real, because yall are that good at finding these clues . you should fight crime .

time to go finish season 1 ! man, things make so much more sense when youve seen season 2 .. or figured out that the black smoke is tiny robots .

6/17/2006 03:33:00 PM  
Blogger GULM said...

to answer a question i saw ealier...

the marks around the DHARMA logo look alot like that of the korean flag.. coincidence with all the activity off the coast of korea?

in the Rachel vid, if there is so much edited out, y would they leave seemingly useless parts, like where she has her head in her hands looking at the camera, and y would they black the screen but keep the audio going during the fone call, and not edit it?

i agree she does sound like P but im not sure she looks like Hugh's mistress...

also on a side note, im having a real problem getting to the broadbandstories site! it wont load so i havn seen the DJ Dan podcast on it. any suggestions or any1 know where i can c the podcast from the site? Thanks!

6/17/2006 03:45:00 PM  
Blogger Shakey said...

Between the shape of the mouth and chin, along with the wigs and glasses Rachel showed us, I'm pretty much convinced that Rachel is McIntyre's affair - ty for the comparison pics belly!

And what's more tempting than a lovely young receptionist (just an assumption to illustrate my point)when you're working thousnds of miles away from your wife?

fitz66: I appreciate your point about the Hanso guys wanting to achieve their goals "at any cost", but McIntyre owning up to an affair so blatantly goes against the information and image they're trying to portray it would simply discredit them and lend credence to their critics/enemies such as Persephone, DJ Dan and Gary Troup.

Perhaps I was a bit quick to say Persephone/Rachel has been working on this since '92 given that she does appear to only be late 20s, but my point was that she's been investigating THF for a lot long than this game has been running, so long in fct that the subterfuge, hiding and paranoia that comes with conspiracy theories could well have equipped her to take a more proactive role and get "under cover" by smooching up to McIntyre when she SO conveniently gets a job in Copenhagen (assuming the recently discovered vacation blog is legit).

6/17/2006 03:58:00 PM  
Blogger Rorschach said...

Here's a theory. Assuming Rachel isn't Persephone, could the phonecall she got be: "They found her. They killed her.", speaking of Persephone? The abrupt ending of her latest hack could support this theory.

6/17/2006 04:16:00 PM  
Blogger Chaserace said...

Ok, so i was watching the video, and ok so this is post 001. so i thought, well maybe theres a 002 that they arent telling us. so in the address bar, i changed the last 1 to a 2, and it went to the video page still, but in the video screen it tried to open in real player and said there wasnt software to support playing it. i tried changing the number to something other than 1 or 2 and i just got a blank video screen instead of this. maybe im an idiot, but seemed weird to me

6/17/2006 04:24:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

It has taken so long for me to catch up on comments. So many great posts.
m2saintthetruthtempest:
Your comments in the last section were fab. Most times something REALLY interesting came up it came from you. Thanks a lot.

And to the German person. Liked what you said too. And a lot of new posters who (including one who had just come on for the first time) had said in his/her first post something that I had never seen mentioned before. Nice to see new posts coming from fresh minds.

I have to say that when I watched the Rachel video I absolutely hated her. She buged me with every word she spoke. Like she was all smug or something.

Anyway. Sorry. Not important I am sure. What I found particularly interesting was the Rachel blog found by areroses. (just another example of first time poster - or maybe a mole) I doubt this though. Thanks for the info. I think it is most likely fake though. I cant seem to find out when the blog was created but if it was after the video was found then It seems unlikely. imho.

Anyway. I am now going to try digest the amount of info I have read.

6/17/2006 04:27:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

About the tacosalad blog...

I just posted a comment on it although my first instinct is that it's fake. It looks like the posts were all created within minutes of each other. My guess is, someone watched the video, got an idea, and cranked out a few posts...pretty easy to quickly create travel logs. What do you think?

I imagine that Rachel's blog will not be a blog "of her trip" but will be a blog that ends with her saying that she is going away "on a trip". Her blog could be about anything...personal stuff, work stuff, other areas of interest.

We'll know soon enough. Remember, we probably aren't supposed to have seen her video yet.

6/17/2006 04:27:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

nice find chaserace. I think this IS curious.

6/17/2006 04:28:00 PM  
Blogger Pharmacopaeia said...

Interesting that the blog, if it is in fact real, was completely updated at the same time.

Has anyone managed to zoom in (or do any magic photoshop tricks) on the stuff on Hanso's desk during the security cam footage?

6/17/2006 04:32:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

admin. I beat your post on the blog being fake by 3 seconds. lol

6/17/2006 04:32:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

I'm with wizardry_eas, it is nice to see some new contributors.

I'm one of the 3 admins for this site and I check in here every so often to chat. Can't really talk now but on behalf of the community...

WELCOME. Welcome all!

6/17/2006 04:33:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

re admin:
I also think that ITE have shot themselves in the foot by "censoring" the stuff on the Rachel vid find. People will look elswher and find. Voila. hehe.

6/17/2006 04:35:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

Wizardry_eas, my guess all morning has been that TPTB are probably pretty upset with Monster.com right now for the premature post. I'm guessing ITE can't post b/c it would somehow be out of sync with a real-time timeline or something and they have to maintain the integrity of this whole thing being "real".

6/17/2006 04:40:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

everybody left when we started talking...
:)
Come back!

6/17/2006 04:41:00 PM  
Blogger arerosesred said...

Hi

The interesting thing about the taco salad blog is that the original blog indexed by Technorati was indexed 15 days ago. I found the new one by taking a long phrase out of the technorati blog index (the blog had disappeared) and then searching for it using google blogsearch. So the new blog may be a fake, but the original blog (the missing tacosalad1), was posted 15 days ago. So I am not so sure. Unless there is a way to spoof the date on Technorati as well?

Rose

6/17/2006 04:41:00 PM  
Blogger arerosesred said...

Oh I wish I were a mole! No, I have been following the blog regularly and haven't posted until now because I haven't ever found anything good. I am a professional internet researcher though. And I have a blog, under northwestresearch
on blogger. I post under this name because I don't want to further confuse my clients.

Rose

6/17/2006 04:43:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

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6/17/2006 04:45:00 PM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

"I'm Still Here EL QUAPO!!!!" sorry, bad joke from 3 Amigos. anyway, the site may be fake, but still worth keeping an eye on. And ummm... Admin. I'm sorry, i really am... 98-74...that's gotta hurt

6/17/2006 04:48:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I was joking really areroses. But thanks on the find. Those skills come in handy. And it sounds to me that if you find anything suspicious with it then you are more than qualified to mention it. "prefessional internet researcher" - sounds ideal. :)

6/17/2006 04:49:00 PM  
Blogger Administrator said...

Can't believe you went there yakobus1, as if the sting that I still feel isn't enough.

Gotta jet. Keep up the good discussion. Rose, keep posting.

6/17/2006 04:51:00 PM  
Blogger oo7surge said...

Hey everybody! Great thoughts/theories/info. To all our recent additions: Welcome! As previously stated, it's always nice to have "fresh blood" on the board.

Administrator - I have to agree with you about TPTB being pretty upset with Monster right now. I chalk this "leak" up to either a miscommunication between ABC & Monster, or a web admin thinking that nobody would find it until links were put up for it. So far, they've been pretty good about not putting things out until they want us to have them. I just have to wonder if they'll try to spin it into something else now, or just leave it for us to ponder over until they are ready to link us to it and put it into context.

Alright, I'm out for a bit, so good luck all! I'll catch ya l8r.

6/17/2006 04:52:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

so really areroses. What is the significance of the tacosalad blog? Can you link again? I do not think I saw that one.

Thanks in advance

6/17/2006 04:54:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I mentioned but deleted that - why is the rachel video still up on monster.com if it is such a big deal? Or maybe it isn't so easy to get it off (don't see why). I cannot quite figure that one out.

6/17/2006 04:57:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Oh sorry areroses. I now notice that tacosalad is in the URL. Was it really created/posted 15 days ago. It doesn't seem to me like it would be easy to spoof such a thing.

6/17/2006 04:59:00 PM  
Blogger stephaniek said...

someone metioned the korean flag...

they are trigrams from Feng Shui called Ba Gua, which is what the Dharma logos are based off of.

http://www.bartlettdesigns.com/fengshui-baguaoctagon.html

probably a common theme in Easterm cultures

6/17/2006 04:59:00 PM  
Blogger Carol said...

I wish I knew how to use Google blog search or whatever it was. As soon as Rachel's video appeared yesterday I commented on how soon till there is a fake blog. I googled in the hopes of finding something like Admin described... a long blog with the last entry saying she was going on vaction. This one looks suspiscious, though tacosalad rings a bell. Darn, that's gonna bug me till I go back and sus out where I heard that from.

I also tried week1_post2 but the error I got indicated that no such file existed. So if someone at Monster stuffed up, they only stuffed up a little :D

people have mentioned Dharma stuff on the Hanso site... I don't see it. When I try it with www.thehanso I get what looks like the normal site loading, but it's like freeze frame with no woman and no skip link (as others have mentioned). Entering by a bogus url (eg hole1.thehanso) gets the old site with no sign of Dharma.

Is it just me or does anyone else think the black and red Hanso site closed page is odd? It's rather jarring in comaparison with their "soothing" colour scheme when the site was working properly. It's rather reminiscent of DJDan actually.

6/17/2006 05:03:00 PM  
Blogger Yakobus1 said...

it's prolly meant to look like a warning

6/17/2006 05:08:00 PM  
Blogger arerosesred said...

Hi wizard-

I found the original taco salad blog indexed on technoratiL I searched "Rachel Blake" and "Copenhagen"

These were the results

http://technorati.com/search/%22rachel%20blake%22%20copenhagen

when you drill down, you get this

http://technorati.com/search/%22rachel%20blake%22%20copenhagen?from=http://tacosalad1.blogspot.com

And

Technorati says this was updated once 15 days ago (so June 2nd).


Now if you go to tacosalad1.blogspot.com it has the standard 404 message. But Technocrati is usually about a week behind indexwise, and google blogsearch is fresher. So I took a phrase from the middle of the blog, and then used the Google search, which is how I found the other blogs.

Sorry for all the boring details all.

Rose

6/17/2006 05:09:00 PM  
Blogger Damn the Man said...

Two questions:

1) Is there a way to download this, and any other video/audio clue? I want to have hardcopies.

2) And, going along with that, does anyone know of any free mp3/mpeg hosting sites?

Thanks. :)

6/17/2006 05:14:00 PM  
Blogger Kate Wonder said...

I'm new. Just saying hi. I'm a lurker. An Australian lurker, I post over at the Ninja's blog. So, i'm part of NAH (Ninja's against Hanso.)

Weren't the clues over the last few days odd. We sure got a lot of them, didn't we?

Namaste.

6/17/2006 05:16:00 PM  
Blogger Howard said...

Hi all:

Under the last clue there were a few mentions of a line, I think on Sublymonal, that said "look on hte airplane" and that it was new. Could this be ddirecting us back to oceanic-air.com? I seem to recall the site was down (and maybe being revised) earlier in the week. Unfortunately my wireless is out and I am on dial up, so I am not in a position to go searching, but I throw this out there in case someone else wants to go exploring

Howard

6/17/2006 05:19:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Oceanicairlines is still down. It still says "it's far from over" in the page source.

6/17/2006 05:22:00 PM  
Blogger Carol said...

hey Kate, fellow Aussie and Ninja poster here :D

6/17/2006 05:24:00 PM  
Blogger Carol said...

Howard, that was for the previous DJDan podcast on sublymonal, there is a plane pic with 108 on it, typing 108 at sublymonal gets you the old podcast

6/17/2006 05:25:00 PM  
Blogger AlohaPrincess said...

oceanic-air.com works - the game site is oceanicairlines.com.

6/17/2006 05:25:00 PM  
Blogger MakoMK said...

damn the man: this one can be downloaded by judicious use of MPlayer and its -dumpstream feature, or it's been RapidShared here if you want a copy.

6/17/2006 05:34:00 PM  
Blogger FallenOne said...

so back again ;)
wizardry_eas: thx ;)
damn the man: i upped the video of rachel to youtube... link should be in this comment.

anydangway, getting on the audio now. still curious cause i couldn't hear any "they killed her"... mor like a "bon giorno" or however it's spelled ;)

cya in a bit
FallenOne
first on saying rachel is hugh's girl ;)

6/17/2006 05:35:00 PM  
Blogger cyb said...

I've uploaded the video on YuTube :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3adKKUznwTs

:-)

6/17/2006 05:35:00 PM  
Blogger FallenOne said...

then we got it twice there now ;)

6/17/2006 05:50:00 PM  
Blogger Kate Wonder said...

Hi lavanda! I just found a photo of me on the Ninja's site. I was at the book drop for Bad Twin and there's a really bad photo of me and my friend.

Australian's unite!

6/17/2006 05:53:00 PM  
Blogger Pwyll said...

I posted something I just noticed today in the other comment page but i think nobody noticed it so here we go :

"DJ" Dan Lapinsky
is rumored to have grown up in either Terre Haute, IN - Tulsa, OK - or Macon, AL sometime in the tumultuous 1960s

In Peter Thompson's bios :

Born in Terre Haute, Indiana in 1959, Peter Thompson...

They maybe knows each other? Or maybe they're the SAME person...

6/17/2006 06:05:00 PM  
Blogger The Experimental Testing Facility said...

I tried emailing rblake@thehansofoundation.org to see if I could get here "away on vacation" message but it bounced.

I thought this bit of usual daemon-speak felt especially funny:

64.207.133.244 does not like recipient.

Yeah, no doubt they don't. Anyway, I'm going to try rachelblake@ and other variations, but probably will yield nothing...

TETF

6/17/2006 06:24:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

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6/17/2006 06:24:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

areroses.
Sorry. I got busy on the research blog stuff. thanks for those links and you are boring no-one. Even admin are eagre to hear what you have to say. I saw the 15 days ago bit. Do you know how reliable this stuff is. It still seems to me that it wuold be hard if not impossible to fake this. (impossible unless you are VERY talented - surely not). Your thoughts on this would be much appreciated.

6/17/2006 06:28:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

pwyll:
I am sure that was referenced before but no-one took it any further. Could be onto something though.

6/17/2006 06:29:00 PM  
Blogger Carol said...

hey Kate, I hadn't noticed that little note from the Ninja before, just the one asking about Doc Zander... off to check it out :D

6/17/2006 06:29:00 PM  
Blogger ExperimentalFilm said...

thanks gulm, i was pretty sure it was korea .. except there's a lot more around the dharma logo than on the flag .

maybe we'll get another surprise tonight ?

6/17/2006 06:29:00 PM  
Blogger Carol said...

if that Rachel blog is for real... is it significant that it is on blogger and not somewhere else (eg livejournal)?

6/17/2006 06:33:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

Hey, wizardry: Where's all the research group? Is everybody working on their own thing?

6/17/2006 06:34:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

maven:
This isn't the best time for them I think. The next 8 hours or so should bring most of them in.
I sent an e-mail to the research gmail account. If you haven't already I think you should read it. And let me know your thoughts. Thanks.

6/17/2006 06:36:00 PM  
Blogger The Experimental Testing Facility said...

oh one more thing - I think anything we find is fair game. Again, consider the zillions of advertising dollars going into this - they're not going to screw up. I think Speaker's deleting of the Rachel-linked posts is just an example of what the theater people call "breaking the fourth wall" - it makes the audience feel both more included and more vulnerable, and isn't that the point of all this "no one is safe" stuff?

They've been aware of, reacting to, and anticipating the flash decompilers since April, I think. Or even before, when there was the online "hatch computer" discussed on the ABC LOST boards. I don't think anything we can get our hands on is off-limits.

it's guerrilla media war, right? And it's all just taken a step up, right? If this is our ARG, I echo the guy who said we oughtta start doing more of the Save Joop and other anti-Hanso or whatever sites. Instead of being again passive consumers, let's at least be CO-CREATORS of our corporately-sponsored media game! Make 'em work for their bazillions of dollars while we lackeys risk getting fired for wasting colossal amounts of time on the clock! I say, hack! decompile! blogsearch! reveal! CREATE!

TETF
-Yours For a Realer Fake Reality.

6/17/2006 06:46:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Hmm, well her name is an anagram of Label Hacker. But that doesn't give it any authenticity, it's easy to come up with anagrams.

I think people are always too quick to say pictures look like they are the same person. The number of times people have been compared because they are both bald or have white hair and yet really look nothing alike is unbelievable. In this case it is pretty close, but I am really not convinced. For a start that looks like two different pairs of sunglasses to me. Not that she is incapable of changing sunglasses. But I'm also not convinced with the shape of her face either. It could be her, but it could also just be two different women.

I'm also not convinced this is in game. There isn't any new info (other then the possible reveal of herself, if it is indeed legit). The letters on her shirt seem to have "Alvar" in them with a L an A and a T left over. It's not particularly inspiring. The name link with the earlier clue doesn't mean anything either, anyone could access that. If it is legit the suggestion seems to be that she will be out of the game soon and so it is "up to us". Although what exactly we are supposed to do I don't know.

Okay, we know Persephone is up against it now that THF is taking her seriously. So apparently is DJ Dan although really I'm not sure what threat he is meant to poise. He runs a fringe conspiracy webcast which throws out all kinds of theories other then the hanso ones and has only recently focused on THF and Alvar Hanso. He recycles info from other people and aside from preaching to the converted what real damage can he do? There has to be a real life link between him and Persephone or else why would Hanso even bother with him? THF is down, and regardless of other ways to access the site and possible future holes (or other things) I don't think we'll be seeing new hacks of it for a while. But still up is ROT, DjDan, Hanso Careers (a possible new target?), The Horde (ditto?), Sub, Compass (and the hidden mail server thing there). ROT is pretty good at pointing us to new sites so that and Persephones seems to be the ones to keep an eye on for the moment.

Of course if Save Joop is in game now and this podcast is real then that could be the next key event. But to be honest, I doubt it. I have a feeling though there will be something else not exclusively based on the internet some time soon.

6/17/2006 06:48:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Hey guys, just got some thime and trying to catch up. Busy two days huh?

6/17/2006 06:49:00 PM  
Blogger blue elephant said...

some useless speculation:

the red notice we got in the end of the previous hack... it says: "THF site has been hacked by malicious infiltrators seeking to blemish the good work of many dedicated researches."

This might mean that Persephone wasn't alone. Then again, maybe THF just didn't know if there were many hackers or not.
In other words -- this might be something or nothing at all.

sighs :(

6/17/2006 06:51:00 PM  
Blogger Crossfade said...

Would anyone mind sending me a quick wrapup of the past two days acticivities? (Don't wanna be a hinderance.)

6/17/2006 06:57:00 PM  
Blogger arerosesred said...

Hey Wiz--

I am wrong:

This is from Plagiarism Today

"This is further exasperated by blog search engines, such as Technorati, that use the date and time stamp provided by the blogger for organizing their results, not the actual date and time received. By the time it’s all done, there’s no reliable date and time information to be found anywhere on the blogosphere. Just a general hope that everyone is acting in good faith."

So it could easily be spoofed.

6/17/2006 07:02:00 PM  
Blogger James Evans said...

hey guys the video is definitely legit. I have been watching the abc speaker post for a while today and everytime someone tries to post that monster video link, the speaker deletes it very quickly. heads are rolling at monster i think.

6/17/2006 07:04:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

very nice work arerosesred.

I guess that confirms it to be fake to me. You have been great.
Thank you.

6/17/2006 07:07:00 PM  
Blogger Carol said...

I've just had a more detailed look at Rachel's blog... what a time warp! The Copenhagen entry sounds like the start, but the Italian and Iceland entries come before it. And Iceland... "world’s premiere nightlife" probably just coincidence I heard a similar thing here in the last few days. And of course there is a mention of Vik. In the Copenhagen entry we get the word 'vacation'... it's either a heck of a coincidence, or fishy.

I also looked back at the main page for this blog to see how her travels may have fit in. I remember commenting at the time of the "lack of sleep" comment from P that she may have been travelling or jet lagged. That seemed a few days after this blog is dated. And if blog Rachel was in Copenhagen 15 days ago and film clip Rachel was there when the Hanso site went down (and they are the one and the same), she's basing herself there or has come back.

6/17/2006 07:08:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

I mean the blog found by arerosesred to be fake. NOT the Rachel video.

6/17/2006 07:08:00 PM  
Blogger Carol said...

arerosesred thanks for looking that up!

6/17/2006 07:10:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Of course. I never mentioned that I could be wrong but I suspect not.

6/17/2006 07:10:00 PM  
Blogger AlohaPrincess said...

james are you saying that Monster is indeed mad or there's just a big kafuffle about everything?

6/17/2006 07:10:00 PM  
Blogger James Evans said...

i am saying that that video was not supposed to be discovered yet and that abc is probably mad at monster.com for leaking this out to the public.

6/17/2006 07:12:00 PM  
Blogger wizardry_eas said...

Anyway. Goodnight from me. I have been busy thinking about blog research so have not had time to think much about the recent happenings. I will have more time tomorrow though.

Thank you all and Namaste.

6/17/2006 07:12:00 PM  
Blogger AlohaPrincess said...

Well I hope this doesn't make a big hole in what's supposed to happen in the game, like what's supposed to happen next. We'll have to wait and see.

Has the question as to how the link was discovered been answered? I've read most of the comments but I don't remember a staight answer.

6/17/2006 07:16:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Why would Speaker delete links if it was legit? Even if it wasn't meant to be discovered right away, what damage is it going to do? What earth shattering info does the video give us other then P's identity? Passwords to things not yet active? That won't cause a problem if it's not active yet right? So what damage does it do if we think Persephone is Rachael? None that I can think of, unless P isn't her, or is a completely different Rachael (maybe someone who's real name doesn't have the letters for Alvar in it, because that would be too much of a co-incidence to consider it her real name!)

Mind you people don't always think of that. Some things mean very little and they get stressed by it. I mean the entire plot for the Da Vinci code seems to be based on the flawed premise that it would actually mean anything if the so called proof was to become public (I mean really who would both 1) Believe it and 2) Care enough to change religious affiliations)

Interestingly I said early about the letters on her shirt Alvar TLA. Well TLA is an acronym for "Three Letter Acronym". Lol.

6/17/2006 07:25:00 PM  
Blogger maven said...

fenris: FYI: Rachel's shirt says Puerto Vallarta. Please don't anagram it! Also, most of us think this is ingame since Rachel showed a computer screen with THF shutdown on it (definitely can see the red lettering). There's probably no way to fake this since THF just got shutdown when the Rachel video was "found".

6/17/2006 07:28:00 PM  
Blogger AlohaPrincess said...

fenris I think a big deal's being made because ABC probably has plan for when each clue will be released. This video may not have been set to be released for a month, so we're expecting something to follow it but there's a whole month's worth of clues yet to be seen. Just a thought, but that's the only reason I can think of that would made ABC mad.

6/17/2006 07:30:00 PM  
Blogger AlohaPrincess said...

Also I'm not saying the video was mistakenly released, but we don't know at this point.

6/17/2006 07:31:00 PM  
Blogger sean said...

i don't know. they're pretty careful about this kind of stuff. and it's not like she tells us anything we dont already know.

6/17/2006 07:51:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Maven - Okay the T-Shirt says more then Vallarta, but why should that mean there is no anagram info? We've come across loads of anagram puzzles and if we assume this is a legitimate clue should we be assuming that the letters clearly on view on her T-Shirt have no meaning?

Alohaprincess - I can understand ABC being mad if we weren't meant to see it yet, but I don't understand their reaction. Pressuming they aren't stupid, what do they realistically expect to acheive? Also why sensor posts on the inside board and not take down the actual video itself? But if it is a misleading fake then I can understand their action. Well I can understand it a bit more anyway. At the very least I think this argument counters people saying it must be true *because* of the action taken against it. The truth is we don't know either way yet.

Also T-Shirt aside (and to correct my early comment). Why would they reveal P's real name and pick a name that has "Hacker" in it as an anagram? I don't find it very believable as a real name for someone that as their defining characteristic (that we know of) is that they are a hacker. Okay maybe it's an ingame suspension of disbelief moment. But I won't be convinced until I see definative proff it is in game.

6/17/2006 08:00:00 PM  
Blogger FallenOne said...

and i still think she looks like hughs girl, and yes, i too think that our rachel sounds alot like the woman asking
"Where is Alvar Hanso? What have they done with him? Who is in charge here…"
...

6/17/2006 08:02:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

I'm in a quandry... as I have a gut feeling. I do NOT buy anything rachel said, so either she's just a horrible actress and they posted it anyway or it's a plant that's in game to throw us off.

How could that video get on Monster which is definitely in-game site, how was the link found and wouldn't Rachel be more convincing unless we were supposed to figure out it was fake.

BTW, why are ALL those entries on the blog listed as the same date, Friday, June 02, 2006?

Just keeping it real,
Cooper

6/17/2006 08:08:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Actually wearing a T-Shirt with "Puerto Vallarta" on it is suspicious. Well to me anyway. Call it a hunch. But it seems a little out of place for a potential Persephone or other infiltrator to be wearing and the fact that you can anagram Alvar out of it is the kind of thing I would expect to occur to someone trying to create a fake. It's a tourist T-Shirt, the kind that many people probably have (but probably wouldn't take with them on covert ops). If I was to try and fake a video like this and I knew I had something like that, I would wear it. Also if I was to fake a video, I know I'd need to be do it quickly to seem as relevent as possible while still being plausable.

Okay, I suppose if you really wanted to look like a tourist you may wear it in a covert op, but that's why it's more of a hunch then a theory.

I'm also not ruling it out being legitimate. I do think she sounds a lot like Persephone (although I'm not convinced of the photo's suggesting she's Hughs bit on the side), and it is possible ABC just flipped and made some bad calls. But this is what my gut is saying right now.

6/17/2006 08:08:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

What I mean is that there doesn't seem to be any real urgency or true feeling in this video. It's more like someone reciting a script and YES, there were pauses or edits from the video...

6/17/2006 08:11:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Marcus - you could be on to something there. It could be an ingame fake. That would be...uh, strange. It's certainly stirred up conversations and theories, so if that was it's intention they sucseeded. However as for Monster, well, given that people can post as Speaker on Speakers site, I'd be hesitant to say something is in game because it's on Monster. I don't honestly know how hard it would be to get a video on that site though. I'll have to investigate.

6/17/2006 08:13:00 PM  
Blogger lostkiwi said...

Hey guys, first time caller, long time listener. Am from New Zealand so i soley rely on these clues for my fix.
Just had a quick look at the oceanic airlines website, did anyone notice the "hidden writing" not sure if this has been mentioned before.. but when i copy and pasted it, it came up with


If anyone should find this message, please get word I'm alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And

I survived a horrific plane crash and am stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward

Sorry if this had already been said, as i said i am a kiwi and therefor too lazy to view the thousands of comments posted.

Cheers

6/17/2006 08:16:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

o.k. when I type in www.thehansofoundation.org I get the red and black screen but when I type in thehansofoundation.org (no www) I get what appears to be the regular site, except many of the passwords don't work (like the last one - "recluse")

6/17/2006 08:20:00 PM  
Blogger sean said...

i dont know if this was mentioned earlier, but rachel (p?) refrenced "Alias." which is practiacally Lost's older sybling series from JJ Abrams.

Just saying.

6/17/2006 08:21:00 PM  
Blogger Fenris said...

Lostkiwi, that site and that message is really old. I think it was out there in season 1. But good for you for finding it yourself. Consider it a warm up.

Anyway, I must sleep now.

I'll leave you all with a quote from starwars

"Stay on target"

6/17/2006 08:21:00 PM  
Blogger Bruce said...

As for insidetheexperience.com erasing the URL being posted numerous times, I posted it on another official ABC site, the Security System Board, and it's been up there all day...hasn't been erased or anything.

6/17/2006 08:22:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

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6/17/2006 08:30:00 PM  
Blogger Marcus_Isn't_Lost ;-) said...

Thanks Fenris... get to it if you can find out... I did a search and don't know how one could stumble across that video, but where are other videos anyway?

Also, that Rachel is definitely american and you can't just walk into a job in a European country. When most people are backpacking or travelling through Europe, they have to get cash in hand jobs. What are her skills beside the obvious video/computer stuff and what work is she doing at the megalithic corp.

BTW, Denmark would be her last stop so if the blog were real would it all be dated June 2nd AND 2:55am... Where is Blogspot based in respect to Time Zones... Fake blog -- almost assuredly?!!?

6/17/2006 08:32:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

is anyone else finding the differences specifically to www.thehansofoundation and thehansofoundation.org with clues on the second site not working

6/17/2006 08:35:00 PM  
Blogger TaiwanGuy said...

i have been chatting over in the mirc room for a while and always read the blog. anyway, there has been something that i have been looking at lately. once again, it has to do with the bagua. here is my idea: the bagua IS the island.

here's why:

1. the shapes (see: http://www.lost4815162342.com/blastmap.htm and http://www.bartlettdesigns.com/fengshui-baguaoctagon.html). both the island and the bagua octagonal

2. if you look at the dharma logo ( see: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Arrow_logo.jpg) you will notice that the bagua is identical EXCEPT the ones located at 10:30 and 3:00 are switched. i think this must have been done purposefully because there are images galore of the bagua on the web and if the game designers put care into copying 6 of 8 into their correct places, why would they arbitrarily switch these 2? what does this have to do with the island? well, the one switch that they made moves the trigram that means children/descedent/offspring into the respective location of "the staff" station on the blastdoor map. from claire's flashbacks, we know that station had a nursey and was the place that the others used as a labor and delivery room.

i realize that this is rather flimsy, but i truly believe that the bagua has some important meaning that is being overlooked. it is a logo that is rooted in tons of history and symbolism. it is not the type of thing that a scientific research foundation would usually adopt as a logo.
id like to hear some ideas on this.

6/17/2006 08:36:00 PM  
Blogger minipulator said...

I haven't looked at the stored files that prevent you from accessing thf.org yet, but in all liklihood they just blocked whatever subdomain you were accessing at the time. For instance, www.thf.org. So thf.org or justaboutanything.thf.org would still work. But some of the clues inside the flash file may call on www. to work, thus blocking you from accessing it.

6/17/2006 08:42:00 PM  
Blogger completely-confused said...

Hey all tonight. Hope everyone is doing well after all that information yesterday.

Here's a little comic relief (definitely not in-game) for anyone needing a brain break.

http://uploads.ungrounded.net/content.php?id=272811&name=272811_lostrhapsody.swf&title=Lost%20Rhapsody&date=1150516800&quality=b&uj=0&w=640&h=480

I know the link is long, so make sure you copy the whole thing.

Enjoy!!!

6/17/2006 08:45:00 PM  
Blogger completely-confused said...

sorry I would have made it a link, but I don't know how.

hehe

6/17/2006 08:49:00 PM  
Blogger TaiwanGuy said...

ahhh!! it has been brought to my attention that i have committed a critical error. the bagua that i posted above is different from this one on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Trigrams.jpg. this blows my 'the staff' station theory out of the water.

sorry.
you can ignore me from now on.

6/17/2006 08:57:00 PM  
Blogger TaiwanGuy said...

the more bagua images i find on the net, the more i realize that the ordering is arbitrary. i think i posted my theory to early. sorry.

6/17/2006 09:05:00 PM  
Blogger Ange said...

Hi All...long time since I've posted here. I have watched the Rachel video several times now, and have noticed things being moved in the shot with the edits. Specifically: When Rachel references Joop, the book about Copenhagen is at first showing the cover, then there is a skip/edit, and the book is laying open on the desk it seems, to the page of the map of Copenhagen she showed in the beginning of the clip. Secondly, towards the end of the clip, the book displays the back cover. I am wondering if this is a specific travel book on Copenhagen? It really looks like Lonely Planet: Copenhagen to me. Perhaps the map page of this book needs to be investigated.

6/17/2006 09:15:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff_Mills said...

I got a high IQ before.

6/17/2006 09:27:00 PM  
Blogger Damn the Man said...

completely-confused, that is brilliant.

To make a link, you would do the following:

[a href="http://uploads.ungrounded.net/content.php?id=272811&name=272811_lostrhapsody.swf&title=Lost%20Rhapsody&date=1150516800&quality=b&uj=0&w=640&h=480
"]CLICK HERE FOR FUNNY VIDEO!!![/a]

*****BUT CHANGE [] TO <> IN ALL CASES.

And you're set.

Like so:

CLICK HERE FOR FUNNY VIDEO!!!

6/17/2006 09:30:00 PM  
Blogger Damn the Man said...

Eek. Looks as if I did something wrong with the link!

Hopefully this works?

6/17/2006 09:33:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

thanks minipulator

6/17/2006 09:33:00 PM  
Blogger Will said...

Check this out...rachelblake.com has been verified as an in-game site by its IP address.

Also, if you type in anything.rachelblake.com you go directly to the Hanso foundation site.

Interesting, eh?

6/17/2006 09:37:00 PM  
Blogger noblelawyer said...

Will, I get authorization needed with rachelblake.com

6/17/2006 09:39:00 PM  
Blogger completely-confused said...

damn the man....thanks for helping me out

I thought it was halarious

6/17/2006 09:40:00 PM  
Blogger Damn the Man said...

will, that's VERY interesting.

Does anyone know if anyone can just make their site redirect to THF.org if they put something in the subdomain? If so, then maybe it's not so interesting...

6/17/2006 09:40:00 PM  

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